The ability to control its borders and determine who gets in are the essential rights of any country, and it’s hard to imagine a nation that’s unable to do either as being sovereign for very long.
On his Friday night show, Fox News host Tucker Carlson debated political strategist and former Democratic Party Deputy National Press Secretary Jose Aristimuno on the topic of immigration. During the exchange, Carlson quizzed Aristimuno on the benefits of bringing in en masse a population, the majority of whom will eventually collect some form of government largesse.
Predictably, Aristimuno had a hard time with his answer.
“Federal law has long stipulated that immigrants cannot arrive in the United States and receive permanent residency if they become, quote, ‘public charges who depend upon welfare,'” Tucker said before introducing Aristimuno and hitting him hard right out of the gate.
“What I find so interesting about the complaints here is that I know from doing the show every night and speaking to immigration advocates there are no immigrants on welfare,” the Fox News host said. “They are the most impressive people in our society. Add the most to our economy. They’re the hardest working. None is a drain on the system. So, given that, I think you have told me that, too. Who cares if it’s illegal for them to go on welfare? Why would they be on welfare since they are adding so much to our economy?”
After Aristimuno tried to pull a red herring on Carlson by bringing up American citizen children of immigrants who benefit from programs like Head Start, Carlson got back to the real issue.
“Most immigrant families are on welfare,” Carlson said. “This is one of the things that advocates like you never admit when they’re lecturing so much more impressive than you are. Most are. If you break it down by country the last numbers I have from 2009, the federal numbers, but some countries like 70 percent of the immigrants are on welfare. So, why would you be in favor of that if you are an American citizen? Bringing people in and putting them right on benefits that is not the American dream that we hear about at all.”
“Look, the immigration system in the United States is clearly broken,” Aristimuno responded. “If you want to come and apply the legal way in the United States you already undergo a bunch of tests to define if you are going to be a public charge. If you are going to come into the United States you should not be a public charge, you and I agree on that. What the president is doing wrong he is expanding — making it even harder for immigrants to assimilate.”
“Here are the numbers,” Carlson said. “This is from the current population survey from March 2010, okay? Here are the numbers from Mexico. Mexico is the country that sends the most immigrants to the United States by far. 74.7 percent as of 2009 immigrants from Mexico are on some form of welfare in the United States. Round up. That’s 75 percent of all immigrants from Mexico are on some kind of welfare. That’s ridiculous. So, and I think you just said you agreed that that was ridiculous.”
“We can change that,” Aristimuno said.
“Why not just fix that right now and say look if you want to be here and add to the sum total of the economy, great,” Carlson said. “You can’t go and go on our social programs. You can’t have open borders and welfare state, right … Let’s just talk about the real problem which is the majority of immigrants are on welfare. Why would any country put up with that and why would the left defend it? I’m totally confused.”
“We are a country of laws and we are a country of immigrants. A majority of immigrants in this country are not criminals. You know that,” Aristimuno dodged.
“I’m not saying they are criminals. I’m not saying the majority are criminals. I’m saying the majority are on welfare. That’s not healthy,” the Fox News host said.
After some back and forth and the reality that he was getting nowhere, Aristimuno proceeded to do what all liberals eventually do: call conservatives racist.
Or specifically, declare an “anti-immigrant racist agenda.”
But Carlson was having none of it.
“When you guys have nothing left to say, it’s race. If you don’t give us everything we want you are racist,” he fired back. “I want to move to Mexico and accuse the authorities there of racism because they are not giving me free stuff. Seriously.”
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