Fox News’ “Outnumbered” isn’t known for fiery clashes, but that’s what occurred on Tuesday as Fox News host Harris Faulkner and contributor Marie Harf clashed over the issue of transparency while discussing the “semantics” of a border wall.
Responding to the intense Oval Office meeting earlier in the day between President Donald Trump, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, Faulkner called out Pelosi for the hypocrisy of touting transparency in Congress under her watch, yet not wanting to debate President Trump in front of the media.
“Apparently it can’t be a meeting called by the President of the United States –transparent,” Faulkner said. “Because why? because she’s in it? Because she doesn’t want us to see them going back and forth?”
“No, Harris,” said Harf. “Because the real negotiating on substance does not happen with twenty TV cameras there.”
They go back and forth, with Harf, the former deputy spokesperson for the State Department in the Obama administration, falling back on her 20 years of experience in government to defend Pelosi, while Faulkner accurately noted that her experience did not include sitting down with the president and the leadership of a party.
Still, Harf stressed that she has participated in negotiations.
“In the government, yes, some of it you do publicly. She wanted to get down to brass tacks, what is the President willing to give,” she said of Pelosi.
“How do you know that,” host Melissa Francis challenged.
“Because that’s what a negotiation is about,” Harf replied.
“It’s better when they do in front of the camera and we can see what they are saying,” Francis said.
Harf insisted that it doesn’t work, prompting Faulkner to interject, “It does work.”
“That’s it is not where the real substance of government negotiating gets done,” she said. “Give me an example of one that has actually achieved something. Give me one.”
“I think we just saw it,” Francis replied, referring to the Oval Office meeting.
“Nothing got done!” Harf cried out. “Nothing got agreed to.”
Fox News contributor Lisa Boothe chimed in to add a little perspective when it comes to Pelosi.
“Nancy Pelosi also said that we should be mowing the lawn at the shouter border and that would be a great alternative to the wall and something we should do for border security, so I don’t know if she’s the voice of authority here,” Boothe said.
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