Detroit man finds out the hard way it’s a bad idea to rob concealed permit holder and his friend

An armed criminal suspect who tried to rob a concealed carry owner and his friend outside a Detroit liquor store wound up getting shot in the chest instead.

The shooting actually happened in early February, but details of the incident were just released earlier this month.

Around 9:53 pm on the evening of Feb. 8th, a local technology called Shot-Spotter detected three gunshots from the parking lot of the liquor store. When the authorities arrived on the scene, they were flagged down by the CPL owner and his friend.

“One man approached officers with his hands over his head and told them he owns a concealed pistol license. He said he had fired a shot in self-defense while being robbed outside the store,” according to local station WDIV.

He explained that when and his friend had arrived at the store earlier that evening, they’d noticed the would-be robber, identified as Joshua Fordham, and an older man talking outside. Fordham was reportedly wearing a blue Detroit Lions jacket and a ski mask.

(Source: Michigan Department of Corrections)

The CPL holder added that when he and his friend went inside the store, Fordham and the older fellow followed them in. And then when they later exited the store and began walking to their car, Fordham continued following him.

That’s when he tried to rob them.

“Fordham began arguing with the two men and threatened to kill the CPL holder’s friend if the CPL holder didn’t give up everything he had. … The CPL holder handed Fordham his wallet,” according to WDIV.

“While holding a black, semi-automatic handgun in one hand, Fordham patted down the CPL holder with the other, according to police. As he was being patted down, the CPL holder pulled out his gun and fired a shot,” the criminal complaint noted, according to the station.

“In reaction, Fordham points his gun at (the CPL holder). The men then run in separate directions,” the complaint reads.

Soon after hearing the CPL owner’s story, the authorities located Fordham lying on the ground injured nearby.

“A loaded black handgun, later identified as a Ruger, P95DC, was on the ground nearby, according to officials. It appeared to have suffered a malfunction. … An officer also found the CPL holder’s wallet among Fordham’s belongings,” according to WDIV.

Luckily for Fordham, he survived.

This is not his first rodeo. His Michigan Department of Corrections record shows that he was convicted in 2014 of armed robbery and felony firearms possession. He wound up being imprisoned from March 19th, 2014 to November 12th, 2022.

(Source: Michigan Department of Corrections)

His record is highly relevant because, according to WDIV, anyone “convicted of a crime punishable by more than one year in prison” isn’t allowed to own a weapon as per Michigan law.

And yet he had one. Strange? Not really, say critics, who argue that this is just another example of criminals flouting gun laws, as well as an example of why concealed carry weapons are such a vital source of defense for so many Americans. Not that there’s a shortage of examples.

In fact, around the same time that this happened in Detroit, something similar occurred in Fort Smith, Arkansas, where homeowner Avelino Jimenez shot an alleged intruder.

According to Jimenez, on the morning of Feb. 3rd, he’d seen a man named Jacob Webb walking down the street and had exchanged a greeting with him. When Jimenez went back inside, something strange happened: He started to hear someone “messing with the door.” That someone was allegedly Webb.

“Jimenez told investigators when Webb broke into his home he told him he was going to kill him and then attacked Jimenez with a knife. Jimenez, who had a concealed weapon, a pistol, said he grabbed Webb’s arm and the knife fell to the ground. Both then fell to the ground and struggled with Jimenez under Webb,” according to the Southwest Times Record.

“Jimenez fought to get himself out from under Webb. Jimenez said he feared he would be killed, and he pulled out his Glock pistol. As Webb started to get up, Jimenez shot Webb in the chest, according to the police report released by Shue. Webb fell backward and Jimenez then called 911,” the paper reported Friday.

Webb didn’t survive.

Now fast-forward to this past Friday, when Sebastian County Prosecutor Daniel Shue announced that, after investigating the matter, he’d concluded that the owner had been justified in shooting Webb.

“I have reviewed the entire investigative file and the autopsy report of Jacob Webb. All digital media has been returned to the Fort Smith Police Department. It is the opinion of this office that the shooting of Jacob Webb by Avelino Jimenez was justified under the laws of the State of Arkansas,” he said.

He reportedly added that his decision was backed by an Arkansas Code that defines a justified shooting as one where the shooter reasonably believes the other individual is “committing or about to commit a felony involving physical force or violence,” or is “using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force.”


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