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MSNBC host Joy Reid, a staunch supporter of critical race theory, invited noted anti-CRT researcher Christopher Rufo onto her show Wednesday for a one-sided gotcha’ “debate” in which she barely let him speak a single sentence without interruption.
The only time she truly let him speak was at the very beginning when he was allowed, for a brief moment, to lay out his points.
“The problem I have is that you’ve spread four key false pieces of information about CRT: You’ve claimed CRT isn’t being taught in school. You’ve claimed that most American public school students learn what you call ‘Confederate race theory’ and are taught that slavery is not so bad, you’ve claimed that state legislation will prevent schools from teaching about the history of racism, and finally, you’ve claimed that CRT isn’t rooted in the philosophical tradition of Marxism” he said.
He was correct. Reid has, in recent weeks, made all four claims.
Watch part one of the one-sided “debate” below:
(Video: MSNBC)
Instead of responding to Rufo’s points, the far-left MSNBC host began her game of gotcha’ by asking him to tell her when CRT was created.
“Critical theory was created in the 1960s, and CRT was based in the late 1980s and early 1990s,” he replied.
Citing Harvard University as a source, Reid then purported to fact-check him.
“It actually happened in 1981. … So we’ve confirmed that. So that’s actually not true,” she said.
Fact-check: FALSE.
“Critical race theory (CRT) was officially organized in 1989, at the first annual Workshop on Critical Race Theory, though its intellectual origins go back much farther, to the 1960s and ’70s,” according to Encyclopedia Britannica.
In other words, Rufo was 100 percent correct. Reid nevertheless used her fraudulent fact-check of him to falsely establish to her audience that he’s a liar (when, in reality, she was the liar).
The rest of the interview functioned similarly, with the MSNBC host either telling outright lies or cleverly distorting Rufo’s past comments — including some comments the now 36-year-old made while in college — to portray him as a bad guy.
Most of the host’s lies were told through semantics. Critics of CRT, including survivors of China’s Cultural Revolution and North Korean defectors, fear this ideology because at its core is racial essentialism.
The left has tried to hide this by rebranding CRT as “intersectionality,” “identity politics,” being “woke” and, most notably, so-called “antiracism.” It’s a clever ploy meant to distract from the fact that CRT is itself racism.
Watch the rest of the “debate” below:
Throughout the “debate,” Rufo tried multiple times to cite examples of CRT propaganda being taught to students but was cut short every time by Reid, who would always say, “Oh well, THAT’S not CRT.” Except that was CRT.
“What you’re doing is you’re playing a series of word games. These things are all deeply related,” Rufo tried saying at one point, only to be cut off.
“They’re not,” Reid replied with a smug grin.
“I don’t allow people to just make up and say lies on the show. It’s just not really right to do that,” she added.
The record shows that she herself lies all the time on her show.
“Let me at least get a full sentence,” Rufo tried replying, only to be cut off again.
In fact, whenever he tried to rebut any supposed point, Reid cut him off on the basis that she’s the boss.
“This is not a monologue. This should be a dialogue. Am I right?” Rufo tried saying at one point.
“Well, it’s my show. It’s how I want to do it,” Reid replied, summing up her attitude in a nutshell.
Her way of doing things meant only telling one side of the story. For instance, she highlighted a seemingly innocuous quote from black supremacist Ibram X. Kendi, a man whose work is always included in CRT training, to portray him in a positive light.
She didn’t mention that in his manifesto, “How to Be an Antiracist,” Kendi explicitly argues that because of America’s PAST sins, white Americans alive today deserve to be discriminated against with the same fervor applied by the anti-black racists of the Jim Crow era.
Trump’s right that these ideas are racist. Ibram X. Kendi: “The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.” #Debates2020
— Benjamin Weingarten (@bhweingarten) September 30, 2020
The only time Rufo was really able to get a word in was after the show, when he took to Twitter to meticulously rebut every false claim made by Reid.
Look:
Joy Reid turned the gaslight up to 100 tonight.
She claimed that critical race theory isn’t taught in schools and that intersectionality, critical whiteness studies, ethnic studies, and critical pedagogy have nothing to do with CRT.
Let’s deconstruct her language games.🧵
— Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo) June 24, 2021
1. Reid claimed that critical race theory isn’t taught in schools. This is a supreme gaslight. I’ve personally documented more than a dozen school districts that teach the principles of critical race theory, from “intersectionality” to “spirit murder.”https://t.co/GtUTeOwZI9.
— Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo) June 24, 2021
2. Reid claimed that intersectionality is not related to critical race theory. That would be a surprise to Kimberlé Crenshaw, who coined the term “critical race theory” and invented the concept of “intersectionality.”
Even Vox knows the truth: pic.twitter.com/S6jTbrJZgf— Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo) June 24, 2021
3. Reid claimed that critical whiteness studies isn’t related to critical race theory. In reality, it’s an important subfield of critical race theory, and—surprise, surprise—the authors of the introductory textbook on CRT also wrote the introductory textbook on CWS. pic.twitter.com/iaYvuwYU8Q
— Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo) June 24, 2021
4. Reid claimed that critical race theory doesn’t teach that all white people are racist. But critical race theorist Barbara Applebaum and critical whiteness studies professor Robin DiAngelo say it out loud: “all white people are racist”; “White identity is inherently racist.” pic.twitter.com/i0j40AmnGy
— Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo) June 24, 2021
5. Reid claimed that ethnic studies has nothing to do with critical race theory. But EdSource recently published an article pointing out that “ethnic studies without critical race theory is not ethnic studies.” It’s even an official field of study at many colleges. pic.twitter.com/1VUXcLbJa9
— Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo) June 24, 2021
6. Reid claimed that critical pedagogy isn’t related to critical race theory. In reality, critical race theory, like the original neo-Marxism, has two components: theory and praxis. Critical race theory is the theory and critical pedagogy is the praxis, or how it’s implemented. pic.twitter.com/zz7KtR8DWT
— Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo) June 24, 2021
Here’s the takeaway: the political Left is running away from critical race theory as fast as it can. They know it’s intellectually bankrupt and politically toxic. They’re retreating to language games and shell games because they cannot defend it on the substance.
— Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo) June 24, 2021
As I predicted, we have frozen the brand “critical race theory” and driven up its negatives. According to The Economist, 64% of Americans now know about critical race theory, of which 58% have an unfavorable view, including 72% of independents who think it’s “bad for America.”
— Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo) June 24, 2021
We are winning this fight. Parents across the country are revolting against critical race theory in American schools. Keep pushing forward.https://t.co/rBln8Elceq
— Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo) June 24, 2021
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