Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk held his ground even as Geraldo Rivera blasted him for insisting Americans still have “very good questions” about the presidential election.
The two locked horns on Fox News on Monday following the Electoral College giving the majority for Joe Biden, as Rivera urged Kirk to “stop this” insistence that the 2020 race was still in question. Though he has described himself as a friend of President Donald Trump, Rivera wanted him to admit “it is over” and slammed Kirk for continuing to argue differently.
Biden delivered a speech after the Electoral College appeared to affirm his victory on Monday, but Kirk pointed out on “The Story with Marta MacCallum” that it isn’t over and millions of Americans who supported Trump still want answers to the many questions surrounding the election results, warning that not addressing those will affect U.S. races in the future.
Rivera, however, had moved on to accept Biden as the new president-elect and berated the conservative commentator for being “dishonest” in claiming that there are “still plenty of pending legal challenges.”
(Source: Fox News)
“It is over. I want the president, my friend, the current president, the 45th president to understand it is over. The Electoral College has voted,” Rivera said. “The longer we drag this out, the more we damage the fabric of our democracy.”
The Fox News correspondent-at-large, who said last week that Trump isn’t speaking to him right now “because of my position on the election being over,” insisted that it “damages the legacy of President Trump who should be taking a victory lap right now celebrating the vaccine that he almost single-handedly forced the scientific community to get ready to save millions of lives.”
Kirk countered with “the exact opposite viewpoint,” explaining that “if we actually want what’s best for the country then you are going to have to answer some of these questions that 55 to 60 million Americans have.”
“And they are very good questions,” he said, adding that some of those are still “being played out” in courts.
As Kirk noted that “there are still plenty of pending legal challenges,” Rivera interrupted to claim, “That is so dishonest!”
Kirk slammed Rivera for trying to “suppress” conversation about millions of Trump voters who are not satisfied with the way Trump’s legal challenges have been addressed, including the U.S. Supreme Court’s outright rejection of even hearing a case last week. He noted that polls show that 75 to 80 percent of Americans continue to think the election was “stolen” from their president.
“If you all of a sudden act as if there is not a motivated effort to destroy Donald Trump at all costs and these elections were very much on the margins, especially in Georgia and Arizona, and you suppress that conversation, that is not healthy for our country, Geraldo,” Kirk asserted. “You and I both deserve the answers.”
“Six weeks!” an agitated Rivera shot back. “We have litigated this for six weeks! Twice the Supreme Court of the United States rejected it!”
He even argued that the three Supreme Court justices appointed by Trump also rejected the Texas lawsuit, shouting at Kirk: “You have to stop this!”
Rivera even urged Trump to “accept reality” in a tweet on Monday.
Electoral College has voted. @JoeBiden is POTUS-Elect. @realDonaldTrump must accept reality. It is over. Accentuate the positive. It was a great term, despite all the saboteurs, Mr President you made history.
— Geraldo Rivera (@GeraldoRivera) December 15, 2020
MacCallum interjected to play a video montage of Trump supporters and voters who believe their votes didn’t count.
“The passion is real for these millions and millions of people across the country,” the Fox News host noted. “And how do you meet them? How does Joe Biden meet them? How does Donald Trump, President Donald Trump address them right now in a way that can at least allow them to feel that their voices are heard, that their concerns are understood?”
Rivera responded by bringing up failed Democratic nominee Al Gore who conceded the 2000 race to George W. Bush and apparently had the “grace and good sense” to put the country ahead of himself.
“Donald Trump has so much to celebrate. He had the most successful single term in the modern history of our country,” Rivera continued.
“To persist in insisting, against the Supreme Court, against the scores of lawsuits that have gone against him…that’s why these people—they believe him. They love him. They are following his lead,” he added. “It is the president who is instilling in these people the false sense that they have been jipped.”
But Kirk pushed back, correcting Rivera’s claims about Trump’s legal cases.
“Look, we actually have more questions than ever before. And Geraldo, respectfully, the Supreme Court did not say there was no election fraud. They just decided not to hear the case. It’s really dangerous to conflate the two. They said that there was no standing behind it,” he explained
Rivera insisted, with no evidence, that the justices “were scornful of the case.”
“I believe, for the future of our country and for the goodness of our Republic,” Kirk concluded, “these questions must be answered or else you’re going to have tens of millions of people that will never trust another election again.”
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