Grenell: Trump is attacked because he’s ‘breaking the system.’ He ‘doesn’t play by their rules’

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Richard Grenell exposed what he sees as the “real problem in Washington, D.C.” which has those entrenched in the system fighting anyone who threatens the status-quo.

The former acting Director of National Intelligence explained to Fox News host Tucker Carlson how the political struggle in the U.S. has become one between the District of Columbia and the rest of the nation.


(Source: Fox News)

Carlson began the discussion on “Tucker Carlson Tonight” by asking Grenell about a tweet in which he called out former Defense Secretary James Mattis for criticizing President Donald Trump.

The retired four-star Marine general criticized what he described as the “militarization” of Washington in a column in The Atlantic, condemning Trump’s alleged “abuse of executive authority” in dealing with rioting that erupted following the death of George Floyd after being arrested by Minneapolis police.

“Why would Mattis take the job & then undermine the policy?” Grenell asked in a tweet on Sunday. “Because it’s what DC types do.”

The former U.S. ambassador to Germany, in his first television interview since he left the administration last month, elaborated on his view about outsiders and the D.C. swamp.

“The fact of the matter is, we have a real problem in Washington, D.C., because it’s a system that is no longer Republicans and Democrats pushing against each other to create a good policy. It’s a fight between Washington and the rest of America,” Grenell, who was replaced by former U.S. Rep. John Ratcliffe of Texas, said.

“What we have is a system in Washington where people get jobs if you’re there, if you know someone and you work your way up, and it’s like musical chairs from one agency to another,” Grenell added. “There is no outside thought, there’s no outside perspective.”

He explained this as the reason why Trump gets attacked as he is disrupting them by “breaking the system” and because he “doesn’t play by their rules.”

“I saw that at ODNI,” Grenell said. “I saw that by entering the intelligence world, and senators from the Democratic Party saying, ‘You have no experience, what are you doing — why should you be there?””

He cited the example of the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, Sen. Mark Warner, criticizing him for not being qualified even though Grenell received his first intelligence briefing before the Virginia lawmaker was even elected.

“The same guy who said that I wasn’t qualified,” he said of Warner. “I actually am a receiver of intelligence, and an expert on the consumer part of the intelligence and how to utilize it.”

“But that perspective is never brought to Washington,” he continued, explaining how one goes from position to position in the climb through the Washington system until, “before you know it, you are indoctrinated.”

“That is not democracy, that is subversion of democracy,” Carlson quipped before asking a “very blunt question.”

“A lot of us who grew up here reflexively respecting our intelligence agencies…are awakening to the fact that there’s a lot of sinister behavior that we know nothing about,” Carlson said. “What was your assessment and should we be worried about what they are doing?”

“First of all, let’s always remember that intelligence is an estimate. Sometimes we get it right and sometimes we get it wrong,” Grenell replied.

“It’s utilized by policymakers to say here is the current information of what we know and, by the way, here is the current information that we don’t know — use it to make good policies.  And instead, what we’ve had is policymakers that manipulated,” he added. “I had intelligence officers who didn’t want to brief the Hill any longer because their words were being manipulated.”

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