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Presidential lawyer Rudy Giuliani did not mince words in an interview Sunday regarding what he believes fired FBI Director James Comey tried to do to his client: Depose him in a soft coup attempt, which is an act of treason punishable by death.
In an interview with host John Catsimatidis on his show, “The Cats Roundtable,” the former New York City mayor first offered his insights into the Justice Department’s decision to drop its case against former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn after it became evident that FBI agents, during the latter days of the Obama administration, attempted to entrap him.
Giuliani said that actions taken by Comey — who admitted sending the agents in a violation of standing protocols and procedures — along with former CIA Director John Brennan were designed to take down President Donald Trump, which were “as close to treason as you can get.”
“This is now an inexperienced prosecutor’s hypothesis,” Giuliani notes, taking a self-deprecating swipe at his years spent early in his career as a federal prosecutor running the Southern District of New York in the 1980s.
“I particularly think Brennan ran the Papadopoulos-Carter Page part of it because that’s a very elaborate counter-intelligence plan — kind of a stupid one. Brennan is smart, but if he goes overboard, he makes a lot of mistakes, which is why he was in trouble all his career. So, that one I’m sure is orchestrated by CIA. And who the hell would’ve done it in the CIA but a screwball like Brennan?” Giuliani continued.
“I think they have Comey,” the Trump attorney said in what appears to have been a prediction about the former FBI director’s legal fate. “And I think, despite the fact that he got let off a couple of times — and I have no inside information — I believe that Attorney General [William] Barr was saving it for the really good case, the one that comes pretty close to treason, because what they did after [Trump] was elected, I don’t say that it’s treason, but it’s as close to treason as you can get.
“They wanted to take out the lawfully elected President of the United States, and they wanted to do it by lying, submitting false affidavits, using phony witnesses — in other words, they wanted to do it by illegal means. What is overthrowing a government by illegal means? A coup … and it’s also treason,” Giuliani said.
No matter what you think of the former mayor, what he’s insinuating would be equally damning — but presented by the mainstream media altogether differently — if roles were reversed and then-President George W. Bush had:
— Placed spies in then-Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign;
— Attempted to get some of Obama’s advisers to admit to receiving assistance from a foreign government;
— Used a phony intelligence dossier paid for by Obama’s opponent’s campaign to fraudulently obtain surveillance warrants;
— Used those fraudulent warrants to actually spy on an adviser to Obama’s campaign;
— Set up electronic surveillance in Obama’s campaign office (or, in Trump’s case, Trump Tower in New York City);
— Authorize leaks of highly classified information designed to entrap and undermine the incoming Obama administration;
— Unmask several classified sources and names in an attempt to undermine the incoming Obama administration;
— Send FBI agents against protocol to entrap the incoming Obama national security adviser.
And these are just a few of the things that happened to the incoming Trump administration, acts of overt and covert undermining that Obama almost certainly knew about.
Do these actions rise to the level of treason? That would be for Congress to decide.
Article III, Sect. 3 defines treason:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.
We’re not at war with Russia, but certainly, factions involved in this attempt to depose Trump utilized Russian-fed information (the ‘Steele dossier’ paid for by the Clinton campaign and used by Obama’s FBI to get fraudulent spy warrants).
A more realistic charge, however, might be “sedition,” which involves a conspiracy by two or more persons to “overthrow” the U.S. government.
Still, Giuliani’s point is taken: There appears to have been a major conspiracy to either depose Trump or undermine him so severely he would be driven from office.
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