Tucker Carlson challenged Univision anchor Jorge Ramos in a debate about the Honduran caravan of illegal immigrants headed to the U.S. border.
Ramos argued that President Trump has negatively affected America’s “long history of being accepting” to immigrants and that the U.S. has a responsibility as the “richest and most powerful country in the world” to show “compassion” by taking in immigrants, including members of the Central American caravan.
That group that began with over 1,000 migrants has been dwindling in size as it approached the U.S. border but still presented a sizable number of people seeking to cross into American demanding asylum. As of Monday, the Department of Justice had charged 11 of the migrants with illegally entering the U.S. with one possibly facing felony charges for re-entering after being previously deported.
Carlson challenged the notion that the U.S. has an obligation to allow the asylum-seekers in the caravan to enter the country while Ramos characterized the U.S. as becoming a “hostile and dangerous country for immigrants.”
He claimed the decision to let the “few hundred” migrants in to the U.S. hinges on America deciding “what kind of country do we want to be.”
Carlson argued that he would like to see America “revert to a country of laws,” noting that over one million people come to the U.S. legally every year and the Central American caravan of migrants should do the same. Ramos pushed back that Carlson was trying to criminalize those traveling in the caravan but they were just regular people fleeing violence in their own countries.’
“We know who they are,” Ramos said. “We’ve been following them for 25 days. That’s why we know they’re not criminals, or terrorists or rapists.”
“Did you talk to the one that’s a member of MS-13 who was caught last week, who admitted he was a member of MS-13?” Carlson asked. “What did he say when you talked to him?”
Telling Ramos to stop the “word tsunami” in his response, Carlson pointed out that images like the migrants sitting on top of a border wall in Tijuana, across from San Ysidro, Calif. waving Honduran flags seem more like a sign of invasion, not a sign of immigrants who want to make a productive contribution to the country they are entering.
Ramos turned the debate to America’s demand for illegal drugs and how that has fueled the increase of violence in Mexico.
“Its just funny how we have a moral obligation because we’re ‘bad people’ to subsidize the rest of the world,” Carlson said mockingly.
“We’re the richest and most powerful country in the world and many people want to come here. And we’re an example of democracy and generosity,” Ramos said.
“Talk about blaming the victim,” Carlson laughed.
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