If Jorge Ramos was looking for a schooling on immigration, he got it during Monday’s edition of “Tucker Carlson Tonight.”
The Fox News host questioned the Univision anchor’s loyalty to the US, asking why he should take Ramos seriously on matters of American policy if he still participates in Mexican elections, as he has admitted.
“I thought you were an American?” Carlson asked, referring to a Spanish-language tweet in which Ramos said he uses his dual Mexican-American citizenship to vote in the elections of both countries.
“I am Mexican and I am American, that is completely legal,” Ramos responded, who went on to say he is “proud” of being a Mexican living in the US.
“There’s nothing wrong with being from Mexico,” Carlson argued, before adding:
“What is wrong is that when you became a citizen, you took this following oath. This was a pledge and you said you swore absolutely and entirely to renounce all allegiance to any foreign state you have ever been a citizen of. You took that oath, but you’re voting in a foreign election?”
Ramos reasserted that his voting in two elections is legal, and observed that “Mexico is not invading the US and we are not at war.”
“You’re not invading the United States, and yet, Mexican citizens live in this country, vote in Mexican elections and then write books telling Americans like me how we should run our government when you clearly have not renounced your loyalty to a foreign government. Why should I take you seriously?”
The Univision anchor replied that for people like Carlson, he and other immigrants will never be “American enough.”
Carlson clarified that “it’s not about Mexico, it could be any country.” He continued:
“Why should I take you seriously as an American if you are still tied to a country despite the oath you took, apparently disingenuously, to renounce your ties to that country? You are weighing in on a foreign election. In what sense are you fully American?”
The conversation then turned to the case of Ivan Zamaripa Castaneda, an illegal alien charged with homicide and whom the Denver County Sheriff’s Office released from detainment without informing ICE.
After Carlson asked why Zamaripa should have been allowed to walk free, Ramos accused the “Tonight” host of “criminalizing” all immigrants and of being “state TV.”
“Spare me your Univision talking points,” Carlson fired back.
“Okay, this is the argument. The argument is that the vast majority of immigrants, you have heard this argument. The vast majority are not criminals,” Ramos explained.
Carlson reiterated that he was not attempting to “criminalize” immigrants, but was asking about the Zamaripa case specifically. Ramos began discussing crime in Los Angeles, citing the city’s police chief, who said reports of sexual violence have declined.
According to Ramos, women in immigrant communities are not reporting crime out of “fear” that immigration enforcement will detain their families.
“That is not a real statistic,” Carlson argued.
After some back and forth, the Fox News personality closed with one last jab at Ramos.
“I didn’t see you in my statistics class in college, you should have come ’cause you would have known that’s not a real one.”