Jorge Ramos just learned why stepping into the ring with Laura Ingraham isn’t for the faint of heart.
The “Ingraham Angle” host debated the Univision anchor on the topic of immigration in the Trump era, flatly telling him that “no one buys” his charges of racism against the president.
Ingraham began by discussing the news that U.S. District Court Judge Gonzalo Curiel, whom President Trump criticized during the 2016 election over his handling of the Trump University case, ruled in favor of the administration’s proposed border wall against challenges from environmentalists.
“The first thought is that President Trump is going to have to think about again the racist comments that he made about Judge, Gonzalo Curiel, because it’s exactly the same judge but now he sided with his government,” Ramos reacted.
When Ingraham asked what made the president’s remarks racist, Ramos responded:
“When you think that someone can’t do his job simply because of his heritage. President Trump thought that because Judge Gonzalo Curiel is from Mexican heritage, he couldn’t do his job dealing with Trump University.
“So that’s a racist statement, in the same way it is a racist statement to say that Mexican people are rapists, in the same way it is a racist statement to say people from Haiti and African nations are from s-whole countries.”
President Trump has called Curiel “unfair” and said the judge’s Mexican heritage made him politically inclined to side against a candidate who supports a border wall between the US and Mexico.
Ingraham mentioned noted that Barack Obama had used derogatory language when speaking about other countries, and then asked about a Tuesday Supreme Court ruling that said aliens in federal detention do not have automatic right to bond, as Fox News reported.
“Is not easy to be in immigration nowadays the United States,” Ramos said, prompting Ingraham to fire back:
“Illegal immigrant, Jorge, you mean illegal immigrants. You always do this and it drives people nuts.”
Ramos shot back that “I don’t call them in legal immigrants because no one is illegal in this world.”
When Ingraham brought up the record low unemployment rate among Hispanics, Ramos said believes the figures do not make up for the Trump administration’ stance on immigration.
“I think that’s positive when it comes to economics but how about if you are a family whose father or mother has been deported. How about if you’re one of the people that the Trump government has arrested.
“Arrests in Trump’s first year are 30% higher than the last year of Barack Obama. So sure unemployment is better for Latinos, Donald Trump has been arrested many more people than Barack Obama.”
Ingraham then switched gears and asked, “Do you believe in nationhood?”
“I believe that every single country has a right to protect its border,” the Univision anchor replied.
“Two countries have the right to determine who comes into the country and who must leave their country? Do they have that sovereign right?” Ingraham pressed.
“I do believe that but I also believe that we are partly responsible for the 11 million undocumented immigrants who are in this country simply because we benefit from their work every single day,” Ramos argued.
“From the food that we eat to the homes that they are building to the children that they take care of. Undocumented immigrants pay taxes.”
Ingraham contested the notion that all illegal aliens pay taxes, and addressed the case of Abigail Hernandez, a DACA recipient who threatened to carry out a school shooting in New York earlier this month.
Ramos likened Ingraham’s reasoning to blaming all whites for the crime of Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock, and asserted one “cannot criminalize” illegal aliens.
“That’s the game you’re playing and no one buys it,” Ingraham declared. “They are already here unlawfully, we don’t have to criminalize them.”
The interview ended with discussion about President Trump’s proposed border wall, which he has said will be paid for by Mexico.
Ramos insisted Mexico will not pay.
“I think Mexico might pay some of it indirectly,” Ingraham suggested. “We might have a whole new business arrangement that would be good for both of countries.”
The debate came as Congress grapples to find a solution to dealing with approximately 800,000 illegal alien recipients of the Obama-era DACA program, which President Trump rescinded last year.
The president has repeatedly expressed willingness to make a deal with Democrats, offering a pathway to citizenship for 1.8 million illegal aliens in exchange or the wall and the elimination of chain migration and the visa lottery.