Tucker Carlson advised a liberal journalist to open up her mind and remember she was not in college as the two wrestled over the topic of police violence and racism.
The Fox News host questioned Celisa Calacal about her piece published in Salon titled, “America is suffering from a plague of deadly, unaccountable and racist police violence,” asking how she arrived at the generalization that police, as a whole, are “racist and violent” during Friday’s “Tucker Carlson Tonight.”
Calacal clarified that she wasn’t calling the police racist, but was basing the argument in her piece on statistics that allegedly show the large number of people killed by police each year, many of whom are minorities.
“This is complicated stuff and to dismiss it, as your piece did, as racist without proving that seems unfair and not really like journalism,” Carlson said.
“Police violence disproportionately affects black and brown communities,” Calacal responded, again noting statistics she cited in her piece.
Carlson reminded the writer that the issue was a “complex matter” and that she seemed to be oversimplifying it with her charges of racism, adding that crime rates in minority-populated communities tend to be higher, which “may be a factor” in the statistics.
He then cited a 2016 study which showed that “the odds of a black suspect being killed by a black officer were consistently greater than those killed by white officers.”
“That doesn’t prove anything necessarily, but it does maybe show that ‘racism’ isn’t as simple in this context as you’re making it sound,” he said. “If a black suspect is more likely to be shot by a black cop, then what does that tell us about racism?”
“We have to look at the system and not the individual police officers that are killing these people,” she replied, claiming that police officers are “taught to go for violence first” in their training.
“I don’t want to be mean, but you’re maybe dodging the point a little bit,” Carlson said, warning that her charges of racism without evidence were a “big deal” and make “people more fearful, makes them hate each other, makes our society way less happy and less trusting.”
“Why are black cops more likely to shoot black suspects than white cops are? How does that fit into your neat, little racism package?” he pressed when Calacal returned to citing her statistics.
“I just want you to open your mind a little bit,” he said, “This isn’t college. And just like, look at the facts and then draw your conclusions from those and sometimes you reach a point when you’re like ‘I’m not exactly sure what’s going on, but it’s not as simple as my professors told me it was.’ That’s all I’m hoping you’ll conclude.”
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