Ann Coulter and Geraldo Rivera ended up shouting at each other in round two of their ongoing debate on the effects of illegal immigration.
Coulter, the conservative author and columnist, began on a triumphant note, referring to figures that Rivera, a Fox News special correspondent, had given earlier in the segment to Fox News host and referee Sean Hannity.
“First of all I want it on the record that Geraldo and everyone else are now admitting there are a minimum of 30 million illegals in the country,” she said before getting down to business.
“We want zero criminals being brought in by our government and preying on Americans,” she said, speaking of crime rates.
“Only 25 percent of the entire California prison population is white,” Coulter noted. “Well, California is only about 6 percent black. So what are liberals saying?”
Rivera jumped in and said that cities with high numbers of illegal immigrants, such as New York and Los Angeles, are experiencing a drop in crime.
“Compare that to cities like Baltimore and Detroit and Cleveland and the other post-industrial cities where there is a spike in terrible crime where you should be obsessing over violence instead of singling out this population and ginning up this false fear,” he said.
“Look, you’re talking about a correlation, not a causation. You’re not that stupid, Geraldo!” Coulter shot back. “Yes, crime goes down for a lot of reasons. Crime went down in New York because of Giuliani and Bloomberg policies, and now it’s going back up.”
She added, “You’ve got to stop talking about this as if we’re talking about Americans attacking Hispanics. No, we are talking about immigrants.”
Rivera interrupted. “When you write a book that says “Adios, America!”, you are ipso facto attacking Hispanics.”
“Well that’s the largest group of them,” she shot back.
“Do you really believe the left is conspiring to make this a third-world hellhole?” he asked, noting Coulter’s book subtitle. “That it’s a conspiracy?”
“Yes, because they’re winning elections now,” she said. “Obama would not have won elections but for for the post-1970s immigration, which of course is Hispanic.”
“I remember what they said about the Irish in the 19th century: the same thing!” Rivera said, interrupting again.
“Yeah, and they were right!” Coulter shouted over him. “Not only were they right, we were allowed to criticize the Irish.”
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