ESPN analyst: How can you fine a player for saying he doesn’t like to see two men kissing?

Hysteria is warping into confusion over the weekend’s draft of the first openly gay football player into the NFL.

espnanalysts0512ESPN commentators Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless on Monday night vigorously disputed punishment meted out to a Miami Dolphins defensive back Don Jones­­ who was fined by the team and suspended from football activities for having the temerity to post an opinion on Twitter about Michael Sam’s televised kiss with his boyfriend, Vito Cammisano.

What exactly was he being punished for?

In a tweet, Jones called the kiss “horrible.” In a flash, the Dolphins called Jones a homophobe. Then the team hit him with a fine and announced he would be routed into some kind of sensitivity training until he learns all homosexual relationships are prima facie just as valid as heterosexual relationships and that expressing opinions otherwise is unacceptable in 21st century America (and possibly how to match plaid socks with a fetching beret).

Smith called foul.

“I think it’s a very, very dangerous thing when people see something and they have a problem with what they’re seeing and they express themselves, and ultimately they’re fined,” he said.

Louie Gohmert won’t stand for demonization
of Christians in America: It’s ‘rise of fascism!’

Bayless noted that the Dolphins were in a more sensitive position than other teams, thanks to last season’s ridiculous hazing scandal, but essentially agreed with Smith’s take.

But what was most interesting about the nearly 10-minute dialogue was watching two men who discuss sports for a living trying to work their way through the uncharted territory of gay social mores visa vis the National Football League. And being more than a little lost.

Check it out here. It’s worth the time.

While stressing repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly – and even more repeatedly – that they had no problems with homosexuality or gays themselves, both were clearly uncomfortable with the television coverage and the way “the kiss” was repeated on a seemingly endless loop, leading viewers to wonder whether they were tuned in to the biggest event of the NFL offseason or the finale of “The Bachelor — Fire Island.”

“I was watching the NFL draft!” Smith said.

That’s what the rest of the country thought, too.

And that’s the rub. The vast, vast majority of football fans have no more than a passing, mildly prurient interest in the sex lives – straight or otherwise – of the men on the field. And if the 249th-picked Sam ever plays on any given Sunday, his prowess in third-down situations will be all that matters — not his prowess in bed.

“The kiss” wasn’t  just a kiss, and Jones was right.

But now he’s just another baker or a photographer forced to cater to gay couples no matter what their religious beliefs. A Silicon Valley exec pushed out of his job for having the same opinion as the president of the United States — before the president “evolved” sufficiently.

Punished all, for having an opinion that differs from the current mob,

And that’s horrible — and confusing.

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Joe Saunders

Joe Saunders, a 25-year newspaper veteran, is a staff writer and editor for BizPac Review who lives in Tallahassee and covers capital and Florida politics. Email Joe at jpjsaunders@gmail.com.
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  • Les K

    The man has a right to his opinion. Though there is nothing wrong with the player or any other person being gay, I don’t want to see them kissing either.

    • Mike Hobgood

      If you think there is nothing wrong with it then you are part of the problem.

      • Les K

        Apparently your some religious person who can’t follow the bible saying “Judge not, lest ye be judged.”

        • Larry Miller

          We ALL judge people when they kill someone.

          • Les K

            What does a gay kiss no one wants to see have to do with killing someone?

            And holding someone accountable for violating the law is a different matter.

          • Teresa

            Adultery, stealing, killing, lying, homosexuality. The sins are no different in God’s eyes. We all sin. We also realize that they are sins. Homosexuals claim they are not sinning.

          • George Gaither

            And you haven’t did what Acts 3:9 stated you are not of the Father. also 1 John 2:4, 1 John 3:4-6.

          • Allen Wingfield

            You can quote all the scripture in the world that tells how God’s people out to live, but it does not change the way God thinks of homosexual relations. Its a sin and its an abomination. We are to pray for them and give them the truth what they do with that is their free will.

          • George Gaither

            You missed my whole point, We are to live by every word that proceed from the mouth of our father, we are to Sin no more. and if you look at what our Messiah said in John 17:9.

          • valmc

            so you are saying that you have ‘sinned no more’? Here’s a verse for you….

            Remove the log from your own eye before you attempt to remove the spec from your neighbors.

          • George Gaither

            I have repented, I have came out of the world, I follow his Laws of peace and health, I keep the Sabbath as commanded, I study his word daily, I don’t go where Sin is going on. If you knew what sin was then you could understand why a person can cease from sinning.

          • Karen Lee King

            But no man is perfect. We, all of us; even YOU, sin everyday and need to ask God to forgive us. You don’t have to go where sin is going on to sin. Nobody’s perfect and if you think you are, try walking on water. There is only one person who lived a perfect and sinless life and that man’s name is Jesus Christ.

          • George Gaither

            Karen, Have you repented from breaking our Fathers Laws? that is what sin is. 1 John 2:4, 1 John3:4,5,78, Revelation 22:12-15. I never said I was perfect, their is only one who is perfect, and he created all things. Forgiveness comes from repentance, If I go to your church on Sunday, then I will not be keeping the Sabbath, If I go to a place that do not keep the 613 laws, then I am sinning. He was the Son of Man that knew no sin. At 67 years old, I have a foundation around the cornerstone. You keep following what you are following, but for me I will do as the scriptures say. Many miss Ezekiel 3:18-19.

          • Karen Lee King

            Why would you not be keeping the Sabbath if you came to my church on Sunday? So you’re saying that my church doesn’t keep God’s Laws? We keep the commandments. And if you don’t go where sin is going on, then you don’t go to the grocery store or anywhere else, then because there is sin all around you. Maybe not by you but by others around you.

          • George Gaither

            We are on different levels, Sin is breaking the law. The 4th Commandment is concerning the 7th day Sabbath, The Sabbath is not the 1st day of the week. Sin is practiced by many, but they don’t know it, because they follow what they are told. The Sabbath was changed by the Catholic church, not by the scriptures. Find it in the scriptures and let me know the verse. The Messiah and Apostles kept the Sabbath. I can walk through Fog, it doesn’t make me part of the Fog, Ps 119:142 sums it up. Stop following what you are told, study for your self, it is your soul that is at stake.

          • Karen Lee King

            Our calendar is not like the calendar used back in the Bible days. They used the Lunar calendar. So what says that you have the wrong Sabbath? My soul is just fine. And besides that who are you to judge me? I am a child of God and only God can judge me and tell me whether my soul is at stake or not.

          • George Gaither

            Forget it, It is very sad today, you cannot have a conversation with anyone today without them feeling judged. Show me the verses that change the creators calendar. I am going to follow what the creator said to do, he told us he never change. You keep following what you believe, I will follow what the said. I just wanted you to dig deeper, I never take offense to what anyone say, I get out my scripture to see if it’s so.

          • George Gaither

            I am talking from the fathers standard of perfection not mine, You are saying if I repeat his word I have a log in my eye? So the must have one in his also huh? you have a lot to learn in the scriptures, You have to study to show your self approved.

          • Karen Lee King

            Exactly!!!

          • xoxozo

            You’re right…it’s the ACT of homosexuality NOT being homosexual. Sin is in all of us, it’s the ACTING out of those weaknesses that can be the problem

          • curmudgeon

            You are sensible!

          • valmc

            see my last reply, up one comment.

          • RealityBites

            Is that in the original version of the Bible or King James edited version?

          • roy

            I’m sorry, but you don’t know what you are talking about either.

          • George Gaither

            I just believe what Messiah said, whoever looks on a women (Man) with lust for her (Him), has already committed adultery (sodomy) with her (him) in his heart. do you understand that.

          • valmc

            And how many verses command us to TOLERATE others beliefs. We don’t have to ACCEPT them, that is something different altogether. But we must tolerate them, even love them. Homosexuality is certainly no more a sin then idolatry, envy, coveting, adultery… etc. Jesus walked right up to the woman at the well and asked of her husband, when she said she did not have a husband… Jesus told her knew that, but that she had had 5 husbands and was currently not married to the one she was with….. and yet, he tolerated her situation and showed her love and acceptance. Think on that.

          • George Gaither

            And he said Sin no more. you left that out. We can all turn from our sins, but we cannot continue doing the same thing and be forgiven. unless you repent you will like wise perish.

          • valmc

            It is our job to spread the gospel, not enforce it nor judge from it. Period.

          • George Gaither

            My job is to obey the Father, just like the Son of man did. You need to learn what Sin is. I learned that years ago, you keep telling people what you think the Gospel is, I will continue to obey my Father

          • George Gaither

            I would love to see those verses that say we are to tolerate sin. I will be waiting

          • MissDiane47

            BINGO!!! I think we will be waiting a long, looong time!

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            Read and Study the Bible before your attempt to quote it…or in your case MIS-QUOTE IT…

          • Karen Lee King

            You wanna quote scripture? Then read Leviticus 18:22-24, and also Romans1:18-32. You haven’t stated what God says about homosexuality in His Word. It is an abomination which is a sin that God hates but yet he still loves the person. Being homosexual is a sin and there will be no sin entering heaven; neither will strife. Read your Bible and you would know this.

          • George Gaither

            First off, I never read the scriptures, I study them, I also learned that at a early age. Why do the scriptures tell you not to associate with known sinners. Karen you come across that you know and live the scriptures daily. So my first question is do you keep the 4th commandment? unless you do I will not argue with you about scriptures. Isayah 65:1-7 will explain why.

          • Karen Lee King

            Which is exactly what God is talking about with man lying with mankind as with womankind and vice-versa. I also study the scriptures. I try to live as Jesus did. He associated with the sinners and plenty of them got saved,

          • Karen Lee King

            And also George Gaither, I most certainly DO keep the 4th commandment. It seems to me like you are trying to judge me by what I am saying on here. Do You keep it? What about the other 9?

          • George Gaither

            Wow, I guess you came to the page late and missed a lot of the conversation. If you want to Live like Messiah, Keep the Laws, He taught sinners the Law which was not practiced in the Temple, they seen their error and repented.

          • Karen Lee King

            I said it before and I’ll say it again: Who are you to tell someone how to live? Me and Jesus, we got our own thing going. He is the only one I have to answer to. He knows how I’m living, so I’m not going to sweat over what you are saying. I know I’m living for him, God knows I’m living for him, if you don’t believe I’m living for God then that’s your opinion. By the way, Opinions are like butt holes: Everybody’s got one. Good day!

          • George Gaither

            When did I tell you how to live? I noticed you put your self before the messiah. After you live a little more , you may become seasoned to stop your little name calling and have a conversation that is like the Messiah would have. I never attacked your beliefs, I ask you some simple questions from the scriptures. you take it wrong, The bible don’t give Opinions. I never question who you live for. that is your call. The scriptures make it plain you either live for our Father or you Live for Satan. Revelation 12:9. Hebrews 11:39-40.

          • Guest

            Most people don’t think loving another person is a sin.

          • Teresa

            You can love someone without having sex with them

          • homer1057

            Well, LOVE is one thing, but Homosexual so called love is quit another! It is OK for a man to love another man, I love my dad and my sons but I wouldn’t do what some do in that regard (draw the inference, I will not write it here)

          • Teresa

            I will. In case some do not know it. God made man with a penis. He made woman with a vagina. He made us so we could procreate. Penis + Penis does not go together and vagina + vagina does not go together. That is not normal behavior as some would like for us to believe.

          • RealityBites

            Go back to school as fast as you can. Study psychology.

          • Teresa

            You really need to go back to school and study anatomy. It just don’t fit man. Anything else is very unhealthy. You really are not real bright, are you

          • curmudgeon

            If you have seen any of the garbage posted by this troll you already know the answer.

          • RealityBites

            Oh so those of us who have different opinions than you deserve to be called names???? Real civil there. You prove that you want your way and dissent is not allowed. Thank God for the First Amendment

          • curmudgeon

            Civility? You over bearing little pencil necked pipsqueak. Then why are your heroes trying to remove the first amendment form the bill of rights? Maybe you should attempt to jumpstart whatever you have left of a brain.

          • MissDiane47

            “You overbearing little pencil necked pipsqueak.” Bwahahahahaha …. You owe me a new wireless keyboard; I just spit coffee all over it with that BRILLIANT description!!

          • curmudgeon

            My apologizes, but this troll is just an argumentative douche who should be with his fellow travelers at Salon, Mother Jones, Moveon or the Huff and Puff. Sometimes it’s just dame near impossible to ignore the ignorant and terminally stupid and you for sure can’t fix them.

          • RealityBites

            You just described yourself quite perfectly.

          • MissDiane47

            Oh, no worries … I was kidding about the keyboard. But your description/comment gave me the best belly-laugh I’d had in a long time. Thank you!

          • RealityBites

            I’m glad you have too much time on your hands to be nothing but a playground bully

          • MissDiane47

            You know what? I’ve dealt with “playground bullies” just like you ever since I was a child. And the funny thing is, people like you sure know how to dish it out, but when it comes to taking it, you cry wolf to the first adult who would listen; can’t take the truth without lying about your part in all this.

            I think it’s time for you to sit down in the corner and shut your mouth!!

          • RealityBites

            NO! If you are not mature enough to handle those of us who tell it as is then that is just tough cookies.

          • curmudgeon

            I suspect this jerk has never volunteered for the service of his Country, but has pissed, moaned, whined and bitched his entire miserable life while living off the dole paid for by his betters. They are worth less than a bucket of spit.

          • MissDiane47

            Actually, the jerk doesn’t have to work very hard to be stupid. It comes naturally to him/her.

          • RealityBites

            Do you enjoy describing yourself??? You sure as hell haven’t come close to describing me in any way shape or form. Let me let you in on a little secret. You have the right to say whatever you want. However you also have the right to face the consequences of your mouth.

          • MissDiane47

            “However you also have the right to face the consequences of your mouth.”

            Is that some sort of threat?

          • RealityBites

            Nope, it just means that things can happen when you insult people like this sterling character did that you may not like.

          • MissDiane47

            However, the same consequences don’t apply to everybody – including you! In other words, it’s okay for black people to call white people racists, but when it’s the other way around, all hell breaks loose. And YOU know that!!

          • MissDiane47

            RealityBites lives in an alternate distorted reality. I’m afraid he/she got there at warp speed. Don’t even bother attempting to get people like that to think.

          • RealityBites

            NOT EVEN CLOSE

          • curmudgeon

            Does your Mommy pay for your ISP or do you get it free with your Obama phone.?

          • RealityBites

            Nice try, but neither

          • curmudgeon

            Can you even imagine how caustic the air on his planet must be?

          • MissDiane47

            Oh, I know it! First he/she says, “Study psychology,” then follows up with “hormones determine gender.” I wonder which hormone du jour he/she picks every day.

          • RealityBites

            In other words, you never bothered with actual education. Got it. There’s still time. You ain’t dead yet.

          • Teresa

            You are right. People are responsible for their own behavior. And of course, if it feels good, they do it.

          • RealityBites

            Yeah ain’t freedom great

          • RealityBites

            Study psychology, hormones determine gender for one thing

          • curmudgeon

            Well stated.

          • RealityBites

            Too bad you don’t want education

          • curmudgeon

            Actually I have one and it is not in a career enhancer like Women or Black studies as your must be if you in fact have a degree. I personally suspect that a GED would be more up your alley.

          • RealityBites

            You are so wrong you don’t know how wrong you are. Then again you don’t know me or anything about me so the best you can do is ASSume.

          • Karen Lee King

            That’s right! God created Adam and Eve NOT Adam and Steve!

          • RealityBites

            Get a new line. That line is worn out

          • Karen Lee King

            It may be worn out but it’s the truth and you sound like you don’t want to hear the truth. Annnd, as long as there is breath in my body I’ll continue to use that line. I can also say: “God created Adam and Eve not Eve and Maureen!” Freedom of speech baby!

          • RealityBites

            Get a new line

          • Karen Lee King

            Don’t need a new line to prove my point. Is that all you can come up with? “Get a new line”? lol funny!!!

          • RealityBites

            So called love???? You mean REAL LOVE!!!!

          • George Hilman

            Without having @n@l sex with them.
            .

          • George Gaither

            What is Love? The scriptures do not define love as the world do. If you see your brother Sin and not bring it to his/her attention, you do not love them.

          • valmc

            on the other hand we are commanded to accept and love them, for the strong shall uphold the weak.

          • George Gaither

            So you are saying we are to uphold Sin? Revelation 22:14-15. Say different.

          • valmc

            YOU ARE TO TOLERATE.

            tol·er·ate
            transitive verb ˈtä-lə-ˌrāt

            : to allow (something that is bad, unpleasant, etc.) to exist, happen, or be done

            : to experience (something harmful or unpleasant) without being harmed

            : to accept the feelings, behavior, or beliefs of (someone)

            NOT UPHOLD.

            up·hold
            verb (ˌ)əp-ˈhōld

            : to support or defend (something, such as a law)

            : to judge (a legal decision) to be correct : to decide not to change (a verdict)

            NOT SHOW ACCEPTANCE.

            ac·cep·tance noun ik-ˈsep-tən(t)s, ak-

            1 : an agreeing either expressly or by conduct to the act or offer of another so that a contract is concluded and the parties become legally bound

            2 : the quality or state of being accepted or acceptable

            3 : the act of accepting : the fact of being accepted : APPROVAL

            4 a : the act of accepting a time draft or bill of exchange for payment when due according to the specified terms
            b : an accepted draft or bill of exchange

          • George Gaither

            It seem that many don’t devote much time to the scriptures. They assume a lot, they think they have a new testament, it was a renewing of the covenant. The same standards that was from the beginning, obey your Father, Many ignore the Prophets, yet the Messiah spoke the same words, all of his Apostles did also. In the last book Revelation 22 he tell you what the standard is. I will believe all that is written, not what others think. Proverbs 3:5-6, sums it up for me.

          • Karen Lee King

            Show me the book, chapter and verse that says we are to tolerate sin.

          • George Gaither

            Also, please show me that chapter and verse in the scriptures.

          • Teresa

            We are not commanded to accept and love their behavior.

          • RealityBites

            Do you know anyone who is gay?

          • Guest

            Yes, I do. I worked with two people that were gay.

          • Teresa

            Yes, I do. I worked with two people that were homosexual.

          • RealityBites

            Yet you still don’t like the way they were born?

          • Karen Lee King

            A person isn’t born that way.

          • RealityBites

            Yes they are

          • Karen Lee King

            You, know you ain’t worth the breath I breathe. I’m not arguing with you because you can’t talk to someone who thinks they know it all.

          • RealityBites

            I accept your concession

          • http://batman-news.com chuckie2u

            Folks who practice Islam would disagree if that person was gay .

          • babbott

            I really wonder where all the homosexuals and same-sex couples are going to hide when Islam gets the upper hand in the U.S. If you don’t think that can happen, look at how other countries have been treated under Islam and look at how the U.S. has appeased and catered to Muslim demands.

          • Ray_Downen

            Obama seeks to put the U.S.A. under Islam, but many citizens will do whatever must be done to prevent a takeover by Islam in this nation. Or, if Obama prevails, we will remain free in the new nation which is formed by ones still loyal to the U.S.A. constitution. But Obama has not armed his federal agencies for nothing. His aim seems to be to force us to do his bidding. Federal agencies now are not loyal to the Constitution, but instead are loyal to Obama.

          • http://batman-news.com chuckie2u

            Obama is only one man. There is too much press harping about him. Read his resume and compare it to those who control the Democrats and Republicans. Obama is the figure head and those controlling the money and policies have decided to saddle up to Islam for a defined purpose and it is not Religion. Islam is an excellent control mechanism that is authoritarian to its core. The Politicians will use them to help bring all resistence under their control.

          • RealityBites

            LMAO Panic alert

          • curmudgeon

            You would think they would be making pilgrimages to Iran, Libya, Saudi Arabia etc. spreading the merits of homosexual ‘love’ wouldn’t you? Guess they only talk the talk.

          • xoxozo

            It’s the ACT of homosexuality, NOT being homosexual that is the sin…Sin is in all of us, it’s the ACTING out of those weaknesses that is the problem

          • Ray_Downen

            God clearly disapproves of homosexual practice. It’s not an iffy question. He disapproves. Kissing a person of the same sex is surely not appropriate conduct for one who seeks to please God.

          • RealityBites

            In the original version or proven homophobe King James version?

          • curmudgeon

            Do your ears pop if and whenever you pull your head out? Just curious….. Try it once and report back. Inquiring minds would like to know.

          • RealityBites

            Are you ever going to actually think or just spew cheap shots at those of us who do??? Inquiring minds want to know

          • curmudgeon

            Perhaps if you ever pluck your head out of your liberal ass you might actually be able to see without the crap clouding your vision. Won’t ever happen since your emotions take control over any chance of using logic or common sense.

          • RealityBites

            In other words, you have nothing intelligent to say.

          • Mark Bunster

            Did you chat with her by phone, or get a text or something?

          • valmc

            Love is not the sin. The abomination of the flesh is the sin.

          • George Gaither

            As a believer, when I speak I try to speak the words of the Father, That is why I use the scriptures. The messiah was tested he used the words of the fathers Law . that is what I rely on also. You got the word love twisted. PS 111:10.

          • delahaya

            And they live an entire lifestyle of it.

          • Mark Bunster

            So when you last spoke with God, what was she wearing?

          • Teresa

            I will pray for you.

          • Mark Bunster

            Who will answer?

          • Karen Lee King

            God, our heavenly FATHER will answer.

          • Mark Bunster

            And in what way will she answer?

          • Karen Lee King

            HE will answer our prayers in HIS way. What god are you worshipping that you call them a she?

          • Mark Bunster

            How do you know she is answering them, if it’s not knowable how or when? That suggests the likelier answer is that there is no answer. And since god supposedly made us in their image, and both men and women exist, god must be both male and female, or likelier neither. And of course, straight AND gay, since being gay is perfectly normal, like lefthandedness.

          • rabrooks

            I don’t know if homosexuallity is a sin… It is an abomanation! That’s why it was garunteed that it wouldn’t reproduce itself! Just like man and lower animals. You might do it, but it won’t go any further!

          • Teresa

            Okay, whatever you said.

          • Karen Lee King

            Abomination is a sin that God hates yet still He loves the person. You have hit the nail on the head with what you have just said. Well done.

          • delahaya

            The obvious point made was we all do hold opinions and make judgements. As a society we make judgements. The Dolphins made a judgement in fining him. Get it?

          • Buckeye8

            I won’t have to wish very hard but I do wish the Dolphins would lose every game this year.

          • Raymond Fenner

            It’s up to the sinner to face the Lord, not us. We all have our own sins to deal with, we all sin. Back on subject, along he fulfills his Job as a football player and don’t Broadcast his Alternative lifestyle to the world, I’m find by it.

          • George Gaither

            The new religion huh. You are to warn them of their Sin. if you don’t mean you approve.

          • Teresa

            It is not new religion. The Bible tell us right from wrong. And yes, if we do not bring to a sinner attention they may never know salvation. It is there for the taking. Look just because it feels good does not make it right

          • George Gaither

            No, It say their blood will be on you.

          • Teresa

            I don’t have to condone it nor teach my children that it is normal behavior. It is very unhealthy behavior

          • babbott

            I also don’t think the government should go behind our backs and teach the children that it is an acceptable “alternative” lifestyle. It is being taught in schools and they continue to lower the age of those children so they can “teach” even younger kids.

          • RealityBites

            Yeah heaven forbid people actually accept gay people as people too

          • babbott

            Homosexuals have always been accepted as “people”, but they want to be recognized as “special people” and have government approval as a protected class of minority. Why don’t homosexuals accept the rest of us as “people” rather than trying to destroy anyone who disagrees with them?

          • RealityBites

            NO they want the rights that we straight people are already getting and taking for granted. Over 1100 benefits on the federal level alone

          • Karen Lee King

            Yeah, the government wants to start early at warping the children’s young minds. “Oh no, don’t teach the Bible or Jesus to them, Let’s teach them it’s okay to be gay. Let’s teach them they can still be gay and go to heaven.” This is how I believe the government is doing this.t why it is up to us as Christians to teach the children right from wrong and the truth.

          • RealityBites

            Then when your kids go to school they will learn that gay people are just as normal as everyone else. I was in their shoes once. Indoctrinated by people like you but thank God born with a sharp enough mind to be a thorn in the indoctrinators’ side

          • George Gaither

            I believe you are indoctrinate now. If you believe The Father was wrong, then who are you serving? You are a thorn in your own side. If that what you choose to believe, It was made easy to detect what sex a man was because of a penis. But if you see a penis as a woman’s organ then you are in deep trouble.

          • RealityBites

            Homosexuality is prevalent amongst the animal kingdom. You’re welcome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

          • George Gaither

            Another lie, they have you where the want you. brainwashed.

          • George Gaither

            Wikipedia is your source? oh yea, your research skills are not good.

          • RealityBites

            Science does not lie buster

          • George Gaither

            I didn’t know that Wikipedia was science. And if you were educated you would know science is not a absolute.

          • Karen Lee King

            You say that but if it doesn’t lie, then there are many times it has been proven wrong on a lot of things. How do I know? It has lied about how everything was made.

          • RealityBites

            Science is provable in case you haven’t noticed, or studied anything

          • Karen Lee King

            So, in other words, seeing is believing? Well Jesus says, “Blessed are they who have not seen and yet have believed”.(John 20:29b)

          • Teresa

            Behavior, nutcase, behavior. You people have a problem separating the behavior from the person. If you don’t believe God’s word then why are you thanking him? Just saying

          • RealityBites
          • Teresa

            We are supposed to be a little smarter than other species of nature.

          • RealityBites

            They cannot make conscious choices cupcake

          • RealityBites

            Yeah your kids will learn reality in school

          • LittleRoot_48

            The problem being is his alternative lifestyle is going to be what it is ALL about. It won’t matter if he stinks as a player. No one will be brave enough to can him. Every legitimate criticism of him will be considered “gay bashing.” Look at the current occupant of the oval office. Criticize him and you are immediately branded a racist. That being said, I will think thrice before voting for a black candidate in the future. I didn’t vote for obama either time because I don’t vote for Democrats, especially those who feel it necessary to “fundamentally transform” the greatest country in the world.

          • Karen Lee King

            yeah! Where is the change he was talking about, and what happened to him having an open office, and what about him saying that he would never pass anything without reading it first? I didn’t vote for that idiot either. Like I saw on a bumper sticker one time and I use it now, “I voted for the MORMON, not the MORON!” I love that saying! :)

          • RealityBites

            Why should anyone hide who they are just because you might be “offended?”

          • George Gaither

            He is deceived like you are.

          • RealityBites

            The real world and education deceive people??? WOW I guess we should all be a bunch of illiterate dumb asses or something

          • Raymond Fenner

            Because we aren’t the ones who decided to challenge sociality norms, he did. I don’t care what you do, just don’t broadcast it. Again be happy, just don’t do it, keep your sexuality private.

          • RealityBites

            Why when we heterosexuals can be just as open about our relationships should homosexuals be prohibited from doing the same thing??? That isn’t right

          • Raymond Fenner

            Let’s put it this way, Straight people kiss, people don’t see Straight, but they see just a man, but if a Gay man kisses, people see homosexuality. When people act in Alternative means, out of the normed, for some people it’s alarming.

          • RealityBites

            Yeah some people flip out at nothing. Its like the time my family and I were in San Francisco and my dad got irritated at me because I didn’t even blink at the two men holding hands while walking down the sidewalk. Maybe one had horrible balance and needed to hold on to someone, I don’t know. My dad blew a gasket because it was 2 men holding hands. My best friend has weak ankles and has a risk of falling so the majority of the time she wants someone to hold her hand so she doesn’t fall, especially on a steep hill like San Fran is notorious for

          • Teresa

            I really don’t care who they have sex with don’t put it in our face. I don’t discuss my sexual life with anyone but my husband. And don’t tell our children that it is normal sexual behavior

          • Karen Lee King

            But it is up to us Christians to help turn the person away from the sin and teach to them the Salvation that Jesus teaches us.

        • Eric Stegner

          Obviously your religion is Barack Obama.

          • Les K

            Clearly stupidity is yours. How did anything i say translate to Obozo?

        • Kenn Madison

          God says that Homosexuality is an abomination to Him. I only repeat what God said, so if anyone disagrees, talk to God about it.

          • Les K

            I also repeated what God & Jesus said (Math 7:1-2) as well as Love thy neighbor (Mark 12:31).

          • Teresa

            You can love the person and hate the behavior. I don’t like everything my child does but I love him very much

          • homer1057

            Teresa: does God hate an unrepentant sinner? Does God HATE a Bible rejecting sinner? Does God HATE the sin or the Sinner or “BOTH? I’d invite you to “SEE” Pro 6:16-19 and John 3:36/Jeremiah 44:4 KJV Yes God does “HATE” and OF course He loves, BUT that LOVE ended at the Cross of Calavary and to get that LOVE, one must come to the cross or he is HATED of GOD! 1 John 5:12 KJV

          • Teresa

            God doesn’t hate any of his children. He gives us all a free will to do whatever. If we choose to sin we pay the consequence. It does not mean he hates us. He wants us all to do his bidding. He does not hate a non repentant sinner, but through his rules you can accept or reject salvation. It is there for our choosing. If you cannot admit a sin you cannot be forgiven for it. We all know that murder is a sin, stealing is a sin, etc. And where do we know that from? The Bible. People want to ignore what it says about homosexuality because it might hurt someone’s feelings. I want us all to go to heaven. But God has consequences for our sins. It is okay if we express what we know is a sin. If it offends someone that is too bad. I’m not giving up my beliefs because they hurt feelings. They have a choice too

          • Dot

            I totally agree with your statement, Teresa, and so does God’s Word.

          • Watchman on the Wall

            Dot, you are in error here. Please read Edward Hendrie’s book, “The Anti-Gospel,” for a refutation of these errors.

          • Teresa

            The Bible is law not Edward Hendrie’s book. The Bible is my reference

          • RealityBites

            You mean King James

          • Watchman on the Wall

            God simply does not love everybody. Romans 9:11-254 is crystal clear on this. He doesn’t give us free will either. He designed some people to be His elect to do that which is right and others to be His non-elect to do that which is wrong.

            You don’t get to contradict God’s word and be right. You are spouting the Anti-Gospel false teaching of Arminianism which will cause you to be accursed.

          • Ray_Downen

            John 3:16 is correct and Calvin is wrong. Anyone at all is free to turn to Jesus and be saved if the person has heard the gospel and believes it. Neither Calvin nor Arminius was fully correct in understanding Bible truth. Both were wrong in thinking God selected some for salvation and others for destruction. EVERY person is free to turn to Jesus and be saved. EVERY Christian is free to turn away from Jesus and become lost. No one should ever contradict God’s Word. Calvin did. Arminius did. Neither intended to do so. And many today follow Calvin’s errors or Arminius’ errors. Those who love JESUS can be saved by Him.

          • George Gaither

            Roy, Listen to what our Messiah said. Matthew 5:17, 15:3-9, 19: 16-24, Luke 24:25, John 15:10,18-27, Acts 3:19, Romans 3:20, 1 John 2:4, 3:4,7-8 Revelation 22:12-16. The love of the Father is doing his will like the Messiah did. He was always about the Fathers work, Understand what sin is.

          • Karen Lee King

            Where in that scripture does it say that God does not love everybody? He gave us a brain and He lets us decide whether we want to serve Him or serve Satan. He loves us so much that if we choose to not serve Him, even though it breaks His heart, then so be it.

          • Watchman on the Wall

            You are spouting the doctrines of devils of Arminianism which saves no one.

            Let the wise understand.

          • George Gaither

            I know most Christians dismiss the Torah (old testament) but our Father told us in Deuteronomy 28 the blessings if we obey him and the curses if we don’t. The sad thing is, I haven’t found many that know what sin is. To obey our Father will create you into being a out cast among people. It is not about what I think, it is about obeying our Father’s every word.

          • George Gaither

            Genesis 3:5, most people miss what was said by The serpent Satan. Our Father is not a God. Look up the word BAAL, It means Lord.

          • homer1057

            LOVE thy neighbor has NOTHING to do w/SEX, let alone Homosexual sex! any text taken out of context is a pretext!

          • Les K

            Since those judging homosexuality can’t separate the person from the act, it does apply.

          • George Gaither

            The word Love in todays world doesn’t mean what the scriptures say love is. You don’t love anyone if you steal from them, Covet (Lust) after what they have, lie to them, slander them, see them err and say nothing. If you notice the Messiah always spoke the Law and Prophets.

          • LittleRoot_48

            Love the sinner. Hate the sin.

          • Loerps

            It doesn’t say anywhere to love their sin.

          • Les K

            never said it did. I said people have a problem differentiating between the person and the act.

          • Loerps

            Some folks do, agreed. But most folks who have this problem are those who try to justify a bad thing by making it “inseparable” from a good thing, not those who can clearly see the difference. Most people who call themselves Christian can see the difference. I, like many others, have no problem differentiating them. Do you believe I have to like everything my children do or else I don’t love them?

            I only replied to you because you are hurling accusations at anyone and everyone who believes open deviate behavior is a bad thing.

          • Les K

            I started hurling accusations after people started hurling them at me. If anyone actually read the first post, I said “I don’t want to see them kissing either.” What started it was I said there was nothing wrong with being gay. Which there is not. The sex act of being gay, yes their is. But being gay and having sex is two different things.
            I know quite a few people who are openly gay, but are not sexually active. So why condemn them?

          • Doug

            Nobody objects to two women kissing. Let’s see more of that.

          • RealityBites

            In the original version? Or the proven homophobe King James’ version?

          • RealityBites

            If God says that then He sure messed up someplace in the animal kingdom. Methinks it was ol’ King James translation that really messed things up

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

        • Teresa

          We are not to judge the person, we can certainly judge the behavior. Homosexuality is a sin clearly. Homosexuality is also very unhealthy. Aids and syphillis are rampant in the gay community. I believe with all my heart that is a message to us that it is wrong.

          • Les K

            That is the problem. Modern day Christians don’t separate the “act/behavior” from the person. To them, it’s one in the same.

          • homer1057

            So what do you call a man who just killed another? and what do you call a man who just robbed a bank? Or what do you call a man who just stole your car? So can you separate the sin from the sinner? If a thief or a robber or a muderer gets convicted, then who gets the jail/prison time, the sin or the sinner? The ONLY way this is not true is that a BORN Again Christian is separated from his/her sins and is not held to acountability in the eternal, but will reap or sow while on earth. 1 John 5:12/Eph 2:8-9 KJV

          • Les K

            So to protect themselves, before killing someone, or robbing the bank, or stealing the car, they simply become BORN again, and will be separated from their sins and will not be held accountable in eternity?

            If someone does kill someone, they have violated the law and should be punished. By your accounts and everyone elses, Gays have violated the law of God, and will be held accountable. ON JUDGEMENT DAY. It is not your place to sit in morale superiority over them.

            They will be judged, unless they become Born again, and at that point they walk away scott free.

          • George Gaither

            Revelation 12:9, this is true today people are confused, because they follow man not the Father. Jeremiah 23:21-27 foretold this.

          • Doug

            The man who steals my car is a fool.

          • George Gaither

            Homer, then what did the Messiah mean in Revelation 22:12-16.

          • msubobcatpatriot

            For someone who has accused us of judging!!!!! How do you know?

          • Les K

            Because I saw it every day from family. I saw it in the way they talk to, discuss, and treat people. I saw it in how they treat family members who have “come out”. They say they are disapproving of the act, but then they turn a family member into a pariah.

            Do I disapprove of his actions? Yes. Do I love him any less? No. Yet my family has nothing to do with him because of what he is, ignoring who he is to them.

          • Dot

            Scripture does say, “Have no fellowship with the fruits of unrighteousness.” Other scriptures tell Christians to “not to keep company with them”, etc. I have family members who live together outside of marriage, which God says is SIN. They know this is wrong, but refuse to live according to the laws of God. I love these family members with all my heart, and speak to them when I see them, but I do NOT go to their home and visit, or go out to eat with them. They know the Bible, and actually have told me they understand why I won’t fellowship with them. I put GOD first, and what his Word says. These family members know that. They know that I will be there for them, (and never bring it up again to them), once they stop living together, or decide to marry. This is extreme to some people, but GOD says it is what we are to do, so I will obey.

          • msubobcatpatriot

            Really sorry for that.. So sad. I am not religious. I despise the word religious. I have a relationship with my LORD.
            There are possibly five members of our Family, my wife’s (4) and mine (1), that are gay. We love them dearly. We feel their behavior is wrong and we pray for them daily. We have a Grandson-in-Law that happens to be an alcoholic. I sort of look at the two as being the same thing, behavior that is wrong and can be harmful, and we also pray for Jess daily.
            Again Les, so sorry that your family “see’s it” the way they do.
            I am a RAM fan and have been since probably 1953. I am disgusted that all this garbage is being talked about regarding Sam and being the first openly gay football player. I could care less that he is gay. (So was Roman Gabriel and he was a darn good QB.) HE IS A FOOTBALL PLAYER that I sure hope can get the RAM’S back to the top. Heck, one of my favorite actors was Rock Hudson…..
            Take care

          • Watchman on the Wall

            No where does the Bible teach hate the sin but love the sinner. The problem is not with modern day Christians (many of whom are not true followers of Jesus because they have no love for the truth), but with a world ruled by the lies of the devil, which deceives many with this lie.

          • msubobcatpatriot

            Jude 23

          • Doug

            You should hate both.

          • Watchman on the Wall

            The principle ought to be hate what God hates and love what God loves. God simply does not love anyone who is not one of His born again adopted sons and daughters submitted to God’s will for their lives in all things. With such principles in mind, yes, I agree with you: hate the sin and have nothing to do with the reprobate sinner. Expose his lies, wickedness and foolishness for that it is, so that others might not be similarly misled.

          • Teresa

            So what am I, an old day Christian. You don’t read very many of these comments. You just want to justify your stance by saying we hate homosexuals. I don’t even know most of those people. How can I hate them. I hate their behavior. You are hard headed

          • Les K

            Those people? Wow. There not even human beings to you. I have seen first hand the hatred, and the hypocrisy of people who are Christians. A church I attended had so much hypocrisy going on it was unbelievable.

            Two women in the choir, clearly lesbian, in a relationship. Sound engineer who was clearly gay. A deacon and a preschool sunday school teacher that were unmarried but sleeping together. A minister who says love the person but condemn the “act” of homosexuality, but has nothing to do with his own son.

            If I’m wrong, then I’ll be judged just like them when the time comes.

          • Karen Lee King

            Well if they are lesbians and gay in a church then they are sitting on the fence. You can’t serve two masters. You can’t love God and serve mammon.

        • Raymond Fenner

          U mean, Those without sin must cast the first stone..!!!! Jesus.

          • Les K

            That, and “Love thy neighbor as thyself. This is the greatest commandment”

          • homer1057

            NOT true! The command you quoted is the 2nd great commandment! The actual verse is Matt 22:38-39 KJV LOVE the Lord Thy God ….this is the first and greatest commandment! A little “STUDYING will clear this up for you. 2 Tim 2:15 KJV (ONLY) (Rightly dividing the wiord of TRUTH)

          • Doug

            Disagreement on scripture. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that before.

          • George Gaither

            Deuteronomy 6:4 is what he was referring to. It was given by our Father to his people.

          • Karen Lee King

            Yep; “Thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.” And you also have the other verse that I like: “Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of TRUTH.” :)

          • George Gaither

            You missed the message.

          • Nick Velez

            Go and sin no more. Also Jesus

          • homer1057

            The thing about scripture is this: IF one takes a verse out of context that messes up the content of the verse! man can prove whatever he desires w/pulling a verse out of context (Ex; Amos 4:4 KJV) In the matter of JUDGEMENT, do a word study on that word and see what scripture says! John 7:24 KJV says Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgement! See Gen 15:14 KJV this is the first mention of the word Judge and it sets the stage for what that word will mean thru-out the bible! PROVE what I said!

        • David Owens

          The Bible tells us….”A wise man judges all things.” We’re not judging the man, we’re judging the immoral act.

          • homer1057

            Really, BUT aren’t immorral acts attributed to men? You can NOT call a thief a thief or a robber a robber etc w/out attaching a man or woman to that crime etc! In the end, it is the man, woman who goes to Jail/Prison, not the ACT! See John 3:36 KJV

        • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

          Speaking out against SIN is not Judging….As Christians we need to speak out against the Evils of this World…

          • Watchman on the Wall

            We must judge (meaning to discern) right from wrong before speaking out against the wrong. Don’t get confused by the word “judge.” It has two meanings: 1) discern and 2) condemn. We are to always do the first and never do the second. The second is reserved for God to do.

            We can tell the difference in meaning only by the context of verses which appear right before and right after any verse in question.

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            As someone who has studied and understands the Bible very well….We HATE the Sin…Not the Person….

          • Doug

            It’s a lot easier to hate both.

          • Karen Lee King

            But then you’d be going against God’s Holy Word about loving your neighbor. And I mean the Christian Love.

          • Karen Lee King

            Exactly but some people don’t see it that way. SMH What a shame.

        • ChristianMan

          Why is it that when people quote that verse, they never finish the whole thing. Always take it out of context.

          • Les K

            Um, that is the whole verse. Matthew 7:1, but hey for argument, lets look at 7:1-2
            “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

          • ChristianMan

            Exactly my point. We will all be judged by the Word of God. If we are judging, it is by the Word we judge. Besides, we all make judgements every day; what people say, how they act. IF we are judging by the Word of God, who is actually doing the judging?

        • George Hilman

          You are quoting that completely out of context. That sentence is only a part of an admonishment against gross hypocrisy.

          There is a difference between judging people and making judgments about various people, which you do all of the time, such as in your remark, above..
          .

          • Les K

            uh huh. it’s always funny when someone quotes something word for word, and how they use it disagrees with someone “sensibilities”, it becomes out of context.

            You want to judge their actions, Fine, more power to you. But typically people judge the actions and the people in the same frame of reference.

        • Ray_Downen

          Christians are urged to be inspectors of “fruit” such as the actions of others, and to approve most and disapprove of some. The Bible teaches what is right AND WHAT IS WRONG, and we are expected to approve what is RIGHT. In some societies men kissing other men (in greeting or parting) is simply the same as shaking hands in our culture. Normally the kiss would be on the cheek, of course, not mouth to mouth. It would be a mark of liking and respect rather than a sexual invitation.

        • babbott

          But that’s not all it says. Read the rest of it instead of using one phrase to try to prove your point.

          • Les K

            It continues in the next verse to say “however you judge someone is how you will be judged.” Don’t see how adding that changes the fact that you shouldn’t judge.

        • Tec Sg Beatty

          Read Leviticus, and see what HE has to say about this topic before YOU judge someone else.

        • Mamzer

          Don’t stop there. Put it in context.

          “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you”

          Then it goes on to say,

          “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs.”

          Your Biblical knowledge is extremely lacking. I suggest you quote from Obama instead.

          • Les K

            The verse stands on its own, but yeah, lets use verse 2. As you copied, “the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

            Most judgmental people feel they have the right to judge someone else, both their person and their actions. If that was turned back on them as these verses say, I would bet money they cry they are being unfairly judged.

            As for verse 6, there are multiple interpretations of that line. Some are ones Christians should follow, but don’t. One interpretation says “Correcting those who will not receive correction is futile and should discerningly continue to offer wisdom only to those willing to receive.” Another says, Even When You Are Right, Do Not Impose the Truth on Others.
            If gays cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven, why do Christians waste their time trying to convert them? Just leave them alone, and God will punish them in their time.

          • Mamzer

            Good, you got that. We are not permitted to judge the person but we are charged to declare sin as sin. I frankly see no difference between fornication and homosexuality. Anyone who fornicates and says what they are doing is righteous and not sinful is a liar. Same goes for homosexuality. Any sin is worthy of damnation and all people have sinned. I agree with your premise and I practice that. My neighbors across the street are gay and we get along and help each other out as neighbors do. He even bought my a nativity set for Christmas. I do not beat him up with the Bible. When he wakes me up in the very early hours to pull his boyfriends truck out of the mud I do so.

            He is an example of someone living in sin just like the couple down the road that is not married.

            Here is the difference. He does not ask me to justify his lifestyle by rejecting Biblical truths. He knows with all certainty where I stand and is OK with my faith. Many not all homosexuals do not desire just to be left alone about what they do in the privacy of their own home. Many want to shove it in our face and make us approve of what they do.

        • roy

          I think you have the wrong thing in mind. Jesus was not talking about physical habits, but spiritual habits. I think that if you read beyond this much misquoted phrase, you’ll agree that Jesus condemns any and all such physical behavior as an abomination. Get your facts straight and know what you are talking about before you start quoting the Bible.

          • Les K

            Since you can hand almost any given verse to any number of christians, preachers, priests, etc, and get any number of interpretations, whose to say mine is off? Just cause it doesn’t match your interpretation doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

        • valmc

          DO NOT take verses out of context. BAD IDEA.

        • Timothyf7

          I guess if you find it offensive then you must be religious and if you disagree with Obama you’re racist? Interesting concept. If someone disagrees with you then you label them. Hmmm, unfortunately, you don’t realize that not all people that disagree with something are not anything more than good people with an opinion.

        • Bob A

          The Bible teaches us to make numerous judgments every day, especially on moral grounds. That passage is saying you should not be a hypocrite by condemning a behavior and then practicing that behavior yourself. Les K gets his theology from MTV or the homo network.

          • Les K

            Ha ha, Ha ha, Ha ha. Oh you are so funny.

            The passage is saying what measure you use to judge someone, that same measure will be used to judge you. But I’m sure that is too intelligent for you to understand.

          • Bob A

            Its on a case by case basis. Not some general instruction on judging.

        • Don Holmes

          it also say man not to be with man

      • Tambria

        You are to love your neighbor but not to condone sin, whatever the sin may be.

        • Les K

          Today’s Christians have forgotten that part. They have named themselves judge and jury. Despite God saying he will judge.

          • George Gaither

            Scriptural Illiteracy is allowing scriptural curses. what is to judge, he said don’t do it or uphold Sin. If you are silent because you think you are judging then you are backing the Sin.

          • Nick Velez

            Are you not judging when you say ‘all Christians’

          • Les K

            Maybe that’s left over programming from my religious upbringing before I started using my brain and deciding for myself.

          • Denise Bowen

            No, the PC Police have named themselves the abitors of our society; what can and can’t be said. Well, regardless of what we THINK about this person, we don’t need to be fined and sent to a re-education camp to mend OUR ways. Hah! What a laugh! I, personally, don’t like ANY PDA’s no matter who is doing it and I certainly don’t want to see two guys making out. Period. The fact that this is even being discussed is disgusting to me. We all have Constitutional Rights and, believe it or not, FREE SPEECH is one of them.

        • George Gaither

          Sin is 1 John 3:4.7,8.

      • Allen Wingfield

        I think there is something wrong with it and I am proud to be considered part of the problem. Its sick, its is a sin and its an abomination to God and nature.

        • Dot

          I too, KNOW there is something wrong with it, and I too, am proud to be considered part of the problem. There is no denying that it is an “abomination” in the sight of God. God’s Spirit dwells within me, per scripture, and this is why I absolutely cringed in disgust when I saw these two men kissing. Repulsive to say the least. They think the more they show this on the news and on internet, the more we will accept it. NO, the more I am determined to speak up against it, and discourage anyone from accepting this perverted life-style.

      • susandanielspi

        You are obviously gay or still in the closet. I don’t want to see anyone, including a man and woman, slobbering over each other and sticking their tongues in each other’s mouths. Decorum is a standard of polite society. I suspect you don’t even know what that means.

        • Denise Bowen

          Yes. That’s it in a nutshell.

        • Bonsall Billy

          I suspect you need to read the comment again. It doesn’t say what you seem to think it says.

      • RealityBites

        Gay people exist, get over it

        • George Gaither

          Sodomites have existed for a long time, the were known as the pagan temple prostitutes. you must do more research on the subject before jumping in head first.

          • RealityBites

            You mean gay people

          • George Gaither

            No. Homosexuals.

          • RealityBites

            Like I said, Gay PEOPLE

          • George Gaither

            Like I said Homosexuals. You just can’t make up words to change what it is.

      • curmudgeon

        AMEN!

      • Karen Lee King

        For real. They praise Michael Sam For coming out of the closet and treat him like he’s some sort of hero or something, but yet they criticize and talk down Tim Tebow for openly admitting that he a CHRISTIAN! What is wrong with this picture?

    • Bob

      I agree, and for the media to blow this up by constantly showing the kiss, for those of us who try to understand everyone’s point of view, it can get tiring to have to watch the frenzy of the exploiting media.

    • jumara

      YOU ARE BEING FORCED TO LIKE IT.THE GOVT DOESN’T WANT ASSIMILATION IT WANTS DIVERSITY.THEY WANT TO GIVE WHAT YOU WORK FOR TO PEOPLE THAT DON’T WORK.

    • homer1057

      Excuse me? You say there is nothing wrong w/being “gay”! So tell me, do animals have homosexual sex? Does this kind of sex produce anything? does it produce offspring? There is plenty “Wrong” w/this kind of sex! The KJV Bible says it’s abominable…and UNSEEMLY!Romans 1:26-27/1 Peter 4:3-4 KJV YOU have a choice, either you are against this *&^%$#@ or you are for what they do, make that choice and and stand on that choice, then defend that choice w/TRUTH! I DID!!

      • Les K

        This is what I expect because Modern day Christians are condemning the person AND the act as the same thing. A person can be homosexual and not commit the “Act” of homosexuality. I know people who are admitted Gay, but do NOT commit the act tied to homosexuality. Who/what are you condemning now?

        I am for letting people be people, which Christians can’t seem to do even under biblical instruction to do so. ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ There is no other commandment greater than these. (Mark 12:31)

        • Darryl Stotts

          Les, you are misquoting this verse. You are leaving out the very first part of this passage to support and justify your point. Go back to Mark 12 starting in verse 28 when Jesus was asked which commandment is the most important. He replied in verse 29 and 30 that the most important is to love the Lord your God with all of your heart and with all of your soul and with all of your mind and with all of your strength. In verse 31 Jesus says the second is to love your neighbor as yourself. If a person loves God in this manner they will love others in the manner Christ was commanding them to and it has nothing to do with lying with in a manner that is an abomination in God’s eyes. If quoting scripture from God’s word is deemed judgmental, it is God’s word judging them, not the individual quoting the scripture. God’s word reveals sin for exactly what it is, evil, dirty, dark, willful rebellion against Him and what He has commanded of us.

          • Les K

            How am I misquoting when it is a direct cut/paste from a bible website? Lets do this whole passage then.

            28One
            of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had
            answered them well, asked Him, “What commandment is the foremost of
            all?” 29Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD; 30AND
            YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR
            SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.”31″The second is this, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

            It appears to me that BOTH these commandments have equal importance. I never said that Love thy Neighbor had anything to do with lying with another man, or woman to woman. What I said was people claim they are condemning the act, but they don’t separate the act from the person. Many claim they hate the act, but love the person, yet their actions speak differently in how they treat that person.

            I dont’ agree with homosexuality, and I don’t want to see it on my TV. However, if a person next to me is homosexual, I am not going to treat them any differently than I would a friend next to me. What they do away from me is not my concern.

          • Dot

            AMEN!!!!

    • antiliberalcryptonite

      Down-voted, yet, liberal Disqus will not display that in order to protect the feelings of pü$$y liberals.

      Les K believes in moral relativism and plucks scriptures, or partial and out-of-context, scriptures to try and support the point of view that he is pushing. Won’t work Les K.

      • Les K

        Really? Show me a partial or out of context scripture? And considering in most cases I put the book/chapter/verse # down, it can be looked up.

        • Dot

          STUDY, Les, if you are sincere. People have ALREADY explained to you what scripture means when it says you are to love the sinner, but hate the sin. You seem to be wanting Christians to agree to love BOTH the sin and the sinner. Not going to happen. ALSO, scripture says that if you are going to help someone, to do so, especially to those of the household of faith. (Christians should come first in your giving). I too, will speak to a homosexual, but I will NOT fellowship with them, as scripture clearly says to “Have no fellowship with the fruits of unrighteousness.” Scripture also say, “How can two walk together, except they be agreed.” I surely do not agree with the lifestyle of homosexuals, as God disagrees with it. I also don’t fellowship with alcoholics, thieves, married men, (I am single), murderers, etc. God says we are to be careful of the company we keep. Jesus witnessed at the homes of sinners, (he didn’t run with them, as some would try to say), as Jesus witnessed EVERYWHERE he went in his short 33 years of life. So, you say that you would not treat a homosexual any differently than anyone else. Well, I would, because God tells me to, as I just showed you. Would not mistreat them, but surely would not treat them like I would a Christian brother or sister, AS WE ARE NOT AGREED on our life-styles. I could give you MANY more examples of WHY we are not to support those who commit homosexual acts, but won’t as I really feel you do not want to receive the truth from God’s Word. Have a good day.

      • Doug

        Oh. Now I get it. He’s one of those moral relativists I’m always hearing about.

    • carolskey

      It is not about his judgement because God already did that, and He said “No!” PC America wants Christians to remove the teachings of God, and replace them with secular ones which say, “Anything goes!”.

      We will be judged harshly if we go along with the teachings of man over Godly ones! If the gay community would stop asking for acceptance and blessings for their acts in public then there would be NO issues!

      There is NO VALIDATION for sin in a Christian’s world! God Bless!

      • Mark Bunster

        No, we just want you to stop imposing your superstitions on everyone else’s reality.

      • Les K

        “If the gay community would stop asking for acceptance and blessings for their acts in public then there would be NO issues!”

        Maybe Christians should do the same. There is an interpretation of Matthew 7:6 that reads Even When You Are Right, Do Not Impose the Truth on Others.
        The persecution Christians claim is happening to them is because they are trying to force acceptance on those who don’t. Why is that any different?
        I’m not for the PC. I hate it. I actually hate the fact that they aired this “kiss”. But if they want to do it in private, that’s not my concern.

        • carolskey

          “Don’t ask, don’t tell…” worked for the entire time it was the prevalent view. BUT THIS PARTICULAR DISPLAY WASN’T PRIVATE…what about that don’t YOU get!?

          Christians do not force their belief on non-Christians, but when the vile secular world wants our SUPPORT and VALIDATION it has gone too far! Christians will NEVER validate sin for the sake of the PC world…because God says not to!

          You are trying too hard to join that which you “hate”: PC. Stop trying, your conscience is correct in this instance! God bless!

          • Doug

            I missed the kiss. Was there much tongue action ?

          • carolskey

            I have no idea…didn’t want to “lose my cookies”, so I abstained from watching!

            God bless!

    • valmc

      In the privacy of your own home, I could care less what you do so long as it does NOT HURT ANYONE or in any way inhibit their rights. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE IT IN MY FACE OR ON A TV SCREEN OR EVEN A MOVIE SCREEN! This is one of the reason I turned cable tv OFF years ago! We are all entitled to our opinions. I will tolerate gay, but I don’t have to accept it or think it is ‘okay’. Do as you wish with your private time and life and leave the rest of us out of it and then there are no problems. God gave us free will. We can CHOOSE willingly to do the right things… or NOT. We, each of us, will be called to answer for ourselves when the time comes.

  • Ted

    I’m sick and tired of Michael Sam and Don Sterling monopolizing the news when we have dead Americans from F&F. and Benghazi, a record national debt, and a record # of Americans unemployed because of Obama

    • Diana Smith

      So very true. It appears to be a diversion so we won’t focus on what should be news. The news media are sheep and we just keep following along with the herd. So sad. People are being fined and punished simply for doing what our 1st Amendment is supposed to protect. Pretty scary stuff.

    • Doug

      And don’t forget the Kardashian wedding coming up this weekend.

      • Mamzer

        That was bile that just came up

  • George Gaither

    Everything now days are about Homosexuals, They are turning the publics stomach. I guess they can have the NFL also. I am checking out. If the NFL want to push the agenda, they won’t do it on my dime.

    • Larry Miller

      Mine either. I’ve always been an avid Football fan,….but I will not watch another game.

      • Doug

        I’ll believe it when I see it. Larry, you know you love football. Check back with me in October and see how you’re doing.

      • Mamzer

        Larry, if you need help I am starting a 12 step program for NFL junkies.

        • Doug

          Is that just regular season or does it carry through for playoffs and bowl games?

          • Mamzer

            Playoff and superbowl games are a dangerous period. My suggestion is to just fly into some remote fishing camp stocked with a truckload of beer. If you actually ever watched the WFL, you probably are just hopeless. Short of a prison cell on Devil’s Island, my twelve step manual says to expect 100% recidivism rates.

          • Doug

            I used to work for the Generals in the old USFL.

          • Mamzer

            :( I doubt even thirteen steps and a noose could help then. :)

            You are die hard lmao

    • Teresa

      They win for right now, because people are bullied into being afraid to speak out and being called names. How many people believe homosexuality is wrong but won’t admit it.

      • AmendII

        Teresa, I’ll admit it. It’s wrong. We are thinking, logical human beings, we are not animals. Choosing homosexuality is wrong, it goes against nature. It is a choice, you are not “born” that way. People can call me any name they want; I will remain strong and voice my belief. That does not mean I treat any human differently, it just means I disagree with their choice.

        • Dot

          I agree with you Amendll, on most of what you say, but I DO treat homosexuals differently than some people. By that, I mean that I will not “fellowship with them”, because scripture tells me not to. “How can two walk together, except they be agreed.” In fact, I honestly avoid them, as scripture says, but will speak to them if we have occasion to say hello. God says, “Ye are in this world, but not part of this world.” Meaning that we are here, but we don’t have to do the things, that homosexuals do, nor run with a crowd that is practicing SIN. That includes thieves, murderers, rapists, etc. Jesus himself ate with sinners, but WHERE in the Bible does it EVER mention Jesus, where he is not WITNESSING. He ate with sinners to tell them the way of salvation. Some people try to say that he RAN with sinners. To do so, he would be going against scripture. One scripture, says to not be unequally yoked together. That is talking about marriage in this particular instance, but common sense says that is in all things, which means those who willfully practice sin, and you, a Christian, who strives to live according to the words of God. You have to work next to people who are into all kinds of sins, but you do not have to invite them to your home for dinner. (this goes back to the scripture, “you are IN the world, but not PART of the world.”) I pray for the homosexuals to make the choice to turn from their life-style, but do not feel comfortable around them, anymore than I feel comfortable around drunkards and those who curse like a sailor.

          • Doug

            You must not eat out much because homos are often waiters. And oh those lesbians they’re just as bad.

      • Dot

        I am not afraid to speak out. I have been called MANY names, but I love my Lord enough to go through that. Eventually, (and I have reached that stage), you could care less what you are called. Better they get their feelings hurt, than enter hell. I HATE the sin of homosexuality, and all who continue on in this sin, and practice it, will not enter heaven. They will spend ETERNITY in hell fire, in torments, begging for water, which they will never get. JESUS CHRIST is the answer, and he can change them, and make them into a “new creature”, as scripture says, but they MUST choose this day, in whom they will serve. To not choose to serve God, seals their doom. Homosexuality is an ABOMINATION in the sight of God. (Me too!!)

    • Mamzer

      Yep, done with the NFL after the Arizona debacle. They and their sponsors can live off their politics. No more professional sports. This one time Packer fan will defend the Lombardi way.

  • Larry Miller

    Showing two supposedly men kissing is ugly to the max, and unacceptable.
    It’s difficult enough to raise children without showing a couple of perverts doing their thing.

    • dan

      Wish i had the nfls address or email….thats sick as hell…

      • Spicy Ray Swinehart-Patrick

        The National Football League (NFL) is located in NY. Their mailing address is: 280 Park Ave. 15th Floor, New York, NY 10017. Their phone number is (212) 450-2000 (googled)

    • Teresa

      Yes, and in Common Core the schools are going to teach our children that homosexuality is a normal lifestyle. People better rise up against common core for a lot of reasons

  • Braveheart

    He shouldn’t be fined. This is one area where the NFLPA needs to stand up and fight.

  • Diana Smith

    I don’t care to see any two people kissing and slobbering all over each other with cake smooshed on their faces whether it’s two men or two women or a woman and a man. How demeaning for Michael Sams. Is that why he came out so he can feel free to post intimate videos of his homosexual antics? Gag.

    • Teresa

      They do it for shock value

    • Doug

      I hope they don’t kiss their Mamas with those mouths.

  • Lynn Tarte

    The players must be tolerant of Michael Sam? What about the intolerance given to Tim Tebow for praying to God? We are only to be tolerant of others but they are not expected to be tolerant of Christians? This is so wrong – I am so tired of hearing this that we must be tolerant of them but they do not have to be tolerant of us. Everyone has their own opinion and as long as it is not physical they should not be punished. Just today I was called an ignorant religious person but I am not letting that bother me because I know the difference. I told that person I would pray for him and all I got back was “you are ignorant”.

    • Walter Ray Howard

      Thank you Lynn it looks like we have two different set of rules.We have our right of freedom of speech as long as it goes along with how they want us to think and say.

      • Les K

        There are more than 2 sets of rules. There are

        1. Gay rules
        2. religious rules
        3. black rules
        4. illegal alien rules
        5. everyone else.

        Did I miss any?

        • MinistryofFear

          Change 2 to “anti-Christian rules”

        • Doug

          Wife’s rules.

    • Doug

      I would have smote that person in the name of Jesus.

      • craig

        ever heard of voodoo or hexing ..well your about to die of aids.

  • David Tierney

    I will be boycotting the NFL. They have taken “Free Speech” out of it’s itinerary.

    • RealityBites

      Don’t worry my Seahawks won’t need your mouth. Plenty of people in Seattle have actual functioning brains

  • Tilmon Fenske

    So Is St Louis gonna change their name to the ” St Louis Fairies”. lol

    • Doug

      Wow. That’s a really good one. But you can do a lot of sexual innuendo jokes with Rams.

  • jumara

    all this does is divide everyone more and more.there was never this divide before Obama and the democrats became progressives or communists.do you folks realize that now you can’t even say you don’t like something or someone without fear of being punished.if he had said he doesn’t like Christians that would have been ok>wake up everyone facism is on the rise and it’s spelled “DEMOCRATS”.

    • Doug

      You would have defended this kiss before Obama took office?

      • jumara

        I’m not ok with this period.I feel this has been brought on and amplified because of Obama and liberal left.he wasn’t a good player against rated teams.in another era he wouldn’t even be drafted.