Obama intimidated top military brass: Agree with policy on gays or resign

Papp

Photo by Debbie Leavitt – Coast Guard Compass

Determined to end the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy and allow gays to serve openly, President Obama told the heads of the five service branches in a meeting in 2010 to either support his effort or resign.

In a video obtained by BuzzFeed, Coast Guard Commandant Adm. Robert Papp, who was at that meeting, can be seen speaking of the ultimatum put forth by Obama.

“We were called into the Oval Office and President Obama looked all five service chiefs in the eye and said, ‘This is what I want to do.’ I cannot divulge everything he said to us, that’s private communications within the Oval Office, but if we didn’t agree with it — if any of us didn’t agree with it — we all had the opportunity to resign our commissions and go do other things,” Papp said.

Air Force removes POW/MIA ‘Missing Man’
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President Bill Clinton first enacted the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy in 1993.

The uncompromising position taken by Obama contradicts remarks he made as a U.S. senator from Illinois that he wouldn’t make the issue “a litmus test” for his military leaders, according to The Buzz.

“What I want are members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who are making decisions based on what strengthens our military and what is going to make us safer, not ideology,” Obama said at the time.

But then, Obama has a tendency to say things that later turn out to be not so true.

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  • Frank

    This surprises no one, even his sycophants know he’s a compulsive liar. Completely untrustworthy.

    • phred01

      lying is obammy’s oxygen.

    • truthisliberty

      Barry aka obama is a man of duplicity. The way he presents himself in the public eye, acting like a sweet caring angel is not who he is. He’s a devilish, lawless hater of light who seeks to undermine the moral foundations of America. Jesus said you’ll know a tree by its fruit wether it be good or evil. Barry’s fruit is evil.

      • apricered

        He came into office with ‘selling’ perception’ as reality’!!!!!! The BIGGEST ZERO the country has ever seen!!!!!

      • FriendofThom

        And I’m sure you are praying that Repubs win the White House in 2016, to restore morality.. the perverted morality that says “Greed is good. No one can frivolously spend too much on themselves.” That’s why the Ryan plan calls for big tax cuts for the rich- elimination of the inheritance tax and capital gains tax– so the super-rich like Romney & the Koch brothers won’t have to pay any tax on millions/ billions in income.

        • Joel Rivera

          Both parties are obsolete and have outlived any usefulness. You may have faith and hope in your Commiecrats, but I see both as deserving life in prison as much as the SOB in the Immoral Office.

        • faithandhonor

          Dull, dull, dull. Think up something new and not so boringly doctrinaire…

        • JHorvathJr

          So far the democrats have bailed out the unions and big business – or is 2008 too long ago to remember? The unions and the rich are exempt from Obamacare. People who interfere with legal voting are forgiven and ACORN criminals are given jobs on obamacare. Seems this is all done by Democrats on the Left. Who exactly is for the RICH? Obama is.

          • FriendofThom

            You know the unions took pay cuts in the deal to save the auto companies, right?

  • http://vato21stcentury.blogspot.com/ Jim S.

    Your continued, phony, patriotism in using the Military and us Veterans is more then clear:
    Freedom Isn’t Free, We Paid For It, American Veterans!!
    Reality as to those of us who’ve served:

    As the, so called, Conservatives ideology continue the long want to privatize the VA, they don’t seek a so called smaller government they seek to privatize for corporate profit and we’ve been seeing just what those private contracts have been giving back, think the NSA and the military contractors and the costs for, off the government treasury, they Never mention the private sector, with their huge amounts of corporate cash especially in the executive suites, in the hearings or public displays, that handles similar issues, like hospitals and clinics as they attack VA personal when issues arise. Nor do they try to help the, under funded and especially with our wars, VA in overcoming, the VA does that on their own mostly, and in these past some five years with the help of the Executive branch and it’s Cabinet, and with what is allotted to them through the representatives of the people served!!

    “”26 March 2014 – In U.S., hospital-acquired infections run rampant”"

    “12 years also is a long time. We now have a lifetime responsibility to a generation of service members, veterans and their families.” Dr. Jonathan Woodson 11 Sep. 2013: ‘With 9/11 Came Lifetime Responsibility’ {two tax cuts, especially for the wealthy, came with these two recent unpaid for wars, nor the results of, DeJa-Vu all over again from the previous decades and wars from! Ignore the many issues, by those served, no need to fund!}

    Sen. Bernie Sanders told Republicans: “If you can’t afford to take care of your veterans, than don’t go war. These people are bearing the brunt of what war is about, We have a moral obligation to support them.” February, 26th, 2014

    “If military action is worth our troops’ blood, it should be worth our treasure, too” “not just in the abstract, but in the form of a specific ante by every American.” -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

    Where were the ‘offsets’ to federal spending as the rubber stamping, more then the off the books wars with no-bid contracts, was going on and claiming ‘patriotism’ for?

    TX-19 Congressional Candidate Neal Marchbanks – Veteran: 28 March 2014 – “Congress controls the budget for the VA and it is the fault of Congress that the VA does not have enough employees and that the facilities are too small.”

    USN All Shore ’67-’71 GMG3 Vietnam In Country ’70-’71

    • http://vato21stcentury.blogspot.com/ Jim S.

      By the way, at least gays are joining and Serving You, as well as non citizen immigrants and more, that can’t be said about those writing and posting here nor the ones replying to same that don’t nor wouldn’t!!!

      • smogdew

        I did not know non-citizen immigrants could join the military – as for gays – the sexual aggression has risen by over 50% – so they also serving themselves. Those with such lack of control – gay or hetero, need to be kicked out….this isn’t a buffet for your weakness, these men & women are there for a grand purpose and sex isn’t it .

        • cyoder

          Yes, non-citizen immigrants can join the military. My son, who is in the Air Force, is good friends with a man from Ireland who gained his US citizenship by serving in the US military.

          • NoCrud

            This is nothing new. In the early 60′s, I was in the Army with a guy from Ireland and he joined because, at the time, it was a fast track to citizenship. For me, this was no problem because it was legal and the man was a good specialist whose abilities were needed.

          • babbott

            Yes, and since Obama wants to “fast track” illegal aliens to citizenship, instead of going through Congress with another amnesty bill, why doesn’t he require them to enter military service?

          • floramae

            THEY CAN, AND DO, THEY CAN GET THEIR DEGREE WHILE IN THE SERVE, THEY HAVE TO SERVE A CERTAIN TIME FRAME, NOT SURE HOW LONG, THEN THEY GET THERE CITIZENSHIP.

          • babbott

            floramae, please use a little comprehension and understand what I said. I KNOW that illegal aliens CAN serve in the U.S. military. What I said was instead of passing another amnesty law in Congress and putting them on a fast track to citizenship, why not REQUIRE them to serve in the military IF they want to become citizens. That requirement would quickly weed out those who want to become U.S. citizens and those who are just here for the gravy. We would then get some benefit for their being in the country illegally since they would be serving the country in the military rather than simply being here to live off the taxpayers.

          • JHorvathJr

            We need a military branch of national service where those who dislike the killing and all that implies can serve honorably….as clerks, cooks, medics, and any non combat related area…including border guards and customs, tsa and so on. Anyone who wants to serve, should be allowed to serve. In fact get rid of all the “government jobs” and change them over to national Service. Then the thieves, liars, subversives can spend their national service in jails. Right there among the inmates.

          • babbott

            “We need a military branch of national service where those who dislike the killing and all that implies can serve honorably. . .” THAT already exists and has been in place for decades. It’s called being a “conscientious objector”. An individual can be a member of the military, declare he is a CO, and will not be required to serve in any combat-related area.

            “. . .including border guards and customs, tsa and so on.” Those jobs are not and should not be a part of the military. Because of “posse comitatus”, the military is not allowed to be used as law enforcement except in very limited situations, and these agencies you mentioned must by law be civilian groups.

          • curmudgeon

            Daddy Is a Gay Dancer

            A fourth-grade teacher asked the children what their fathers did for a living. All the typical answers came up… fireman, mechanic, businessman, Wally salesman… and so forth.

            However, little Justin was being uncharacteristically quiet, so when the teacher prodded him about his father, he replied, “My father’s an exotic dancer in a gay cabaret and takes off all his clothes to music in front of other men and they put money in his underwear. Sometimes, if the offer is really good, he will go home with some guy and stay with him all night for money.”

            The teacher, obviously shaken by this statement, hurriedly set the other children to work on some exercises and took little Justin aside. “Is that really true about your father?”

            “No,” the boy said, “He works for the Democratic National Committee and helped to get Obama re-elected, but it’s too embarrassing to say that in front of the other kids

          • icemate@yahoo.com

            And then we will have a military full of people who don’t speak English and then he will allow the Taliban to enlist. What happened to the greatest military in the world ? That’s right, our commander in chief has had more pricks in him than a first year seamstress. Good ole Bath House Barry.

          • babbott

            “What happened to the greatest military in the world?”
            It became an arena for social experimentation with the repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell”, allowing homosexuals to openly join, experimenting with women in combat, firing the top brass who don’t agree with Obama’s policies, etc.

          • Cynthia J. McCoy

            Wow!!!!! I did not know that!!! What else don’t I know, that scares me so much. I better just keep my eyes on Jesus, He is my rescuer!!!!

          • Ted Strickland

            Jesus loves gay dancers too.

        • Subcomandante Goatz

          My uncle Tom was a Canadian citizen when he was a US Marine held as a POW by Japan, and my uncle Russ was also a Canadian citizen when he was a Marine at Iwo Jima. My father was the family’s anchor baby, as he was the only citizen, and served in the Navy.

        • BlueViolets

          My late husband was drafted and was told serve or be deported. He served and they said when he got out he would become a citizen. His Sgt. went with him to sign papers and they were told they changed the rules. He had to wait 5 more years.

        • TheIGofSA

          Yes non citizens can join the military

        • Cynthia J. McCoy

          They are men of honor and integrity. They are the true heroes!!!!! God bless them.

      • http://grumpyelder.com/ Grumpy

        I served so I’ve earned the right to reply..

        Obama may not have the funds to staff the VA, but he sure had the cash to put solar panels over the parking lots.. and investment that will take 42 years to even hit a break even point… If over half a century, nothing goes wrong, or new technology makes the entire thing a waste.

        On Memorial Day 2012 the Commander in Chief closed the Vietnam Memorial Wall because he wanted his picture taken. Veterans, War Orphans, Widows, Brothers and Sisters were all denied what for some was a trip they could barely afford.

        In October of Last year, he Shut down the WWII Memorial on the National Mall to now ancient WWII Veterans, he also shut other Vets out from their Memorials. At the same time he had No Problem allowing a bunch of Illegal Aliens to hold a major rally on the Mall. The Parks Department said they couldn’t deny the illegals their 1st Amendment right to Assemble..

        In effect he treated the illegals like conquering hero’s and our Veterans like a defeated army..

        His appointment of Hanoi John to Secretary of defense was an intentional slap in the face..

        Don’t forget it wasn’t long ago his friend, mentor and partner on the Foundation Boards Bill Ayers caused a commotion at an airport when ‘undeserving’ soldiers were allowed to board the plane first..

        You remember Ayer’s, the guy who’s girlfriend blew herself up building a bomb intended to kill soldiers at Ft Dix.. Of course Ayer’s claims he didn’t have a clue the woman he was sleeping with was building a bomb in their apartment.

        • roadwarrior

          I am an American so I have a right to speak.
          “Hanoi John” do you mean the
          decorate veteran who volunteered, versus the chicken hawk dick-weed who went
          AWOL? As far as the Ayers-Obama, it has
          been thoroughly investigated and they are not the bosom buddies you seem to
          think they are. Additionally, Obama shut
          down the memorials, really? I can’t find
          that on any reputable news site. Can you
          give a link?

          • Jeff Brodhead

            It’s not in your medium-term memory? Shutting down of the WWII memorial during the “government shut-down” isn’t recent enough for you to recall?

          • roadwarrior

            Yes, I remember, but my issue is about eh who and why of it. You know, Congress not wanting to pay for things they had already committed to. Also known as playing BS gasme with the country’s credit rating.

          • http://grumpyelder.com/ Grumpy

            Yeah he got some metals, maybe he earned them maybe not, seems to be some open questions about that. I know some guys that were over there at the time.. he had a reputation…..

            Then while he was spokes person for VVAW the FBI was investigating for themtaking money from the KGB to undermine the war effort..

            http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline

            As Hoover came under pressure from the left, a lot of those investigations were never completed and some files seem to have vanished..

          • roadwarrior

            “Yeah he got some metals, maybe he earned them maybe not, seems to be some open questions about that.” there is no doubt among those with him that day. Meanwhile, all the warmongering asshats sat the war out, Kerry volunteered. Hoover buckling under pressure from the left…are you kidding me? That’s hilarious.

          • Obamaocare

            No Offense but…………..You’re an idiot.

          • NoCrud

            CORRECTIMUNDO, Obamaocare…

          • NoCrud

            DOWNVOTED…

            Note that anyone can downvote and even if the number is not shown, it is tallied. Disgus told me that they do pay attention to the downvotes. From other sources, I’ve also learned that if enough downvotes are received, the comment is deleted. This is surely helpful to rid ourselves of all those trolls paid by the likes of Soros to come into the blogs to disrupt and cause mayhem.

          • roadwarrior

            “This is surely helpful to rid ourselves of all those trolls paid by the likes of Soros to come into the blogs to disrupt and cause mayhem” Yeah, I’m going to Cuba with my Soros check, or maybe N. Korea. In other words, eliminate anything that disrupts your narrative and disagrees with you. Pathetic

          • http://grumpyelder.com/ Grumpy

            Obama said of Assad “As President He’s responsible for anything his government does” The National Park service falls under the Executive Branch..

            Additionally there was enough media coverage of what was going within a few hundred yards of the White House Fence, he had to know about it. Is he not required by the US Constitution “To take care that the laws be enforced”.. Does not current law mandate the government detain and deport illegals.

            And where do they get Constitutional rights denied United States Veterans..

            As for the relationship between Obama and the Terrorist.. It hasn’t been as much discredited has it has covered up.. Friend of just completed an interesting time line.. She did it Common Core.. but the information works for this too,

            Valerie Jarrett’s mother and Bill Ayer’s were working together back in 1966..It starts there… Obama appears in 88 getting a job from Bill Ayer’s brother

            http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/2014/03/common-core-the-timeline-who-when-why-how-repaying-education-debt-social-justice-education-equity/

          • lovinspoonful

            Your electricity must have been turned off at that time. It was on the news and on the internet for days. Or you were in a coma.

          • crass

            I believe the point is had Ted Cruz and the GOP Suicide Caucus not caused a government shutdown, the Park Services would never have had to shut down the memorials.

          • curmudgeon

            You are sure naive. BTW the sequester was the brainchild of Obama and his merry band of Czars.

          • crass

            If you’re going to accuse me of being naive, please don’t post such an ignorant comment. It wasn’t the sequester that shut down the government. It was the teabaggers in the House that refused to pass a budget that included a piece of legislation passed by Congress, signed by the President, upheld by the Supreme Court, and endorsed by the American people when they overwhelming reelected President Obama.

            Here’s a little video to help you out with in case you have a hard time reading the article…

            The Government Shutdown Explained (Like You’re an Idiot)

            http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/government-shutdown-explained-idiot/story?id=20432756

          • lovinspoonful

            Yes, Obama was responsible for the sequester also.

          • lovinspoonful

            I believe you are wrong on that one. Reid and Obama caused the government shutdown -not Ted Cruz. They didn’t have to shut down the memorials anyway. It was done to hurt the people by Obama. You need to check your facts. Obama admitted he shutdown the government so the republicans would get blamed for it and here you are – doing just that. He even put out the word to arrest the veterans. What kind of person does that to men who laid down their lives to keep us free and are now in their 90′s.

          • JHorvathJr

            refusing to talk to republicans or reid refusing to allow laws passed in the house to be voted on. When the others aren’t communicated with, then it’s not their fault that their laws and their speech are abrogated. The Dictator makes sure no one ever gets to voice an opinion against him.

          • roadwarrior

            Straw grasping. 6 degrees of separation stuff.

          • babbott

            Apparently you were not here when the sequestration was going on and Obama closed ALL the national parks and put barricades around the memorials in Washington. You were not around when the National Park Service employee said Obama told them to make it as difficult as possible? How quickly you forget. Why would you look for it NOW on any news site when it happened last year and they have so many other stories to report now?

          • roadwarrior

            When the GOP plays chicken with the government then it is all aspects of government. You cannot pick and chose. There were all sorts of programs that were important, critical even, that were halted or disrupted. You love to wrap yourself in flag and get all “Obama is a dictator” over this while ignoring the cost and inconvenience to more than just the Vets.

          • babbott

            There were NO critical programs halted or disrupted–that is totally false. And you insist on blaming the GOP for the PARTIAL government shut down when you refuse to realize that the Democrats are as much to blame as the GOP. The fact that the GOP refused to “compromise” and give in to Democrat demands caused the problem just like it has even since Obama and Reid decided to take over the government. You can spew your vitriol toward the GOP all you want, but it shows your hypocrisy when you blame all the government problems on them and ignore the Democrats’ role in them. Hopefully you will see your hypocrisy when the midterm elections remove the biggest obstacle, Harry Reid, from his position of power.

          • mac12sam12

            He launched his campaign from Ayer’s living room. Ayer’s family also knew the Fuhrer. Can you give me a link?

          • JHorvathJr

            Kerry’s purple heart was for getting a splinter in his arm. Many awards were given to him and other rich folks’ service men..like Al Gore the only private in Vietnam that had a round-the-clock security detail. Others got deferment, like Kennedy’s kid who was caught smoking marijuana and convicted the day before he turned 18 (couldn’t be drafted) As for investigations by Obama’s gestapo (FBI) they never find anything about leftists doing wrong. OR, they refuse to talk to congress. Recall that Kerry is no longer decorated: he threw his medals and ribbons onto the WH lawn after he disowned them. Further he lied about witnessing genocide and other crimes supposedly done by “his soldiers”. Yet did not report these crimes even though he was the officer in charge. He lies or he covered up the killings.

          • Jeff Brodhead

            ^^^ PROGGY TROLL AGITATOR ^^^

            IMO.

          • roadwarrior

            Listen, I don’t know how Bizpac started alerting me of these stories through my e-mail, but if you guys want to all have the same opinions you are truly democratic. You know, like the DPRK is democratic. You have a group of people who are living in a low verifiable info fringe bubble and it wouldn’t hurt you to at least try and see if there is a truth to what “trolls” assert.

          • Jeff Brodhead

            Definition of unsubscribe (vi)
            Bing Dictionary
            un·sub·scribe
            [ ùns səb scrī́b ]
            remove yourself from subscription list: to end a subscription to or registration with something, especially an e-mail mailing list

          • roadwarrior

            Yes, I know. My curiosity was piqued and hence I started reading. Funny how you would rather circulate the same rehashed BS than to entertain dissenting views. Maybe it’s more sad than funny. Don’t worry, reading some recent research has lead me to believe that you and your friends are hard wired to be how you are. Likely you are suffering from a larger than normal amygdala (you can look that up on Bing also!) and all the facts and evidence will not shake you from your world view. You and the rest of the peanut gallery can rage against the communist, Kenyan, Nazi, Dumbama mad how he hates ‘Merica and all the libtards and how they are forcing your children to worship Satan in the public schools. Cheers.

        • Obamaocare

          What amazes me is that Obamao would not be allowed to become a Federal employee after the vetting process. How in God’s name was he ever allowed to run for President?

          • NoCrud

            Too many were afraid of being marked by the Mediaroids as a Racist and not being reelected. As it is, many of those who pretend to represent We the People are not going to be reelected because of their sense of self-importance.

          • http://grumpyelder.com/ Grumpy

            God only knows.. By his own admission he hung out with Marxists in school.. Ayers isn’t the only 70′s era terrorist he’s on a first name basis with.. there’s several others, including Chairman Mao’ favorite American Mike Klonsky

            We used to hear about it every time Jimmy Carter’s brother had a couple beers too many..

            Obama’s brother works for Omar Al Basier.. the guy responsible, directly and indirectly for much of the Black Slave trade in Africa.. Bashier also offered Bin Laden a place to train terrorists in Sudan but the MSM says nothing

            And somehow he’s our president

          • roadwarrior

            Guess else who hung out with Marxists. Fred Koch (Koch brother’s dad) built refineries for Stalin!

        • curmudgeon

          This ‘leader’ has decimated the military in so may ways. How anyone could ever serve and then vote democrat is beyond me.

          • http://grumpyelder.com/ Grumpy

            I think we need to get more Vets into Congress.. they know how to get things done..

            Nothing in the Constitution says you have to a lawyer, and frankly any country that elects lawyers to make laws is going to get laws that will keep lawyers busy earning money

          • lovinspoonful

            One of the reps that I am most interested in is Trey Gowdy.

          • lovinspoonful

            It does say, though ,in the Constitution that being a representative or senator is not to be a lifetime career but a short-time job.

          • curmudgeon

            Another good reason for term limits along with the filling of politicians pockets at the expense of the taxpayers.

          • JHorvathJr

            Raises for congress should go into effect for new congressmen; those who voted for increase either must leave office or keep the pre-raise salary A common sense amendment. Also, refusing to enforce laws passed by congress should be an impeachable offense and the citizens by right of petition to the supreme court can ask for impeachment by congress. If we had these two amendments Obama and company would be out of the WH.

        • lovinspoonful

          That’s interesting since his comment at the time was he wished there had been people in the buildings they bombed.

          • http://grumpyelder.com/ Grumpy

            Think that was then, this is now. As a hero of the underground, that made for good propaganda. As a respected Professor, and associate of the President, it doesn’t make for good press.

      • Conniption Fitz

        Yep and now Male on Male sexual assault is the largest number of sexual assaults in the military.

        Homosexuality is an abnormal conditioned response, a deviant mental, emotional state and not a healthy state of mind – which is only being normalized because of the bullies in the LBGTXYZ political agenda activist groups.

        • tatoo

          That is bullsh**. Didn’t you pay attention to the hearings on sexual assault on women? Oh, it’e okay because it is only women and boys will be boys.

          • Jerry

            Those women should be home cleaning the kitchen anyway. Do you know they had to lower the power of hand grenades to make them lighter because women could not throw them far enough to keep from blowing their own selves up?

          • Stan H

            I hope that’s satire, because it’s absolute BS. 1) The weight of grenades hasn’t been changed in decades, and 2) any healthy, minimally-trained woman can throw a grenade (with the approximate weight of a football) 50 feet.

          • Jerry

            Don’t ever attempt to tell me that the average woman is as strong as the average man. They have also lowered the amount of weight men carry into battle to make the women equal and many other factual examples.
            In fact in some areas women could not do chin ups so they gave them credit for how long they could hang on the bar.
            Answer me this. IF WOMEN CAN THROW SO FAR WHY AREN’T THERE ANY WOMEN QUATERBACKS IN THE NFL THROWING 50 YARD OR MORE PASSES, NOT 50 FEET? Stan, now go to your next article and try to PASS (pun intended) something else on us like you usually do.

          • Stan H

            First, I never said that women are as strong as men. I said, (which you didn’t answer) that the weight of grenades haven’t been reduced in decades. I also said, (which again you didn’t answer) that
            any healthy, minimally-trained woman can throw a grenade 50 feet, which is the blast radius of the standard grenade. There ARE documented differences between the physical capabilities of men and women, but I stand by my initial statement.

            BTW, have you ever heard of a grenade launcher? (Greater range and less physical exposure).

          • Jerry

            You never answered my original question. Are you a homosexual? Are you a technical atheist? Are you going to hell?

          • Stan H

            I don’t see that you ever asked me those questions. Answers: No; Kind of (agnostic); If there is one, a good chance.

          • Jerry

            I asked you those questions last month. You only answered one of the questions vaguely. I won’t keep going back and forth with you because it is my belief that I am going back and forth with a hopeless demon speaking through you.
            You two will pull my up vote to comment ratio down as low as yours and for no purpose what so ever.

          • Stan H

            I think that you’re right. You really should avoid those “demons” at all cost, (just to be on the safe side).

          • roadwarrior

            Stan, it seems there
            is a bring-your-own-facts policy here

          • Stan H

            LOL. More like “invent your own facts”.

          • lovinspoonful

            ROFLMAO! You’re nuts

          • Jerry

            What does ROFLMAO mean?

          • Jerry

            What does ROFLMAO mean?

          • Memphis Viking

            No, it’s not. Of course, Congress won’t have hearings on it, because it makes their pet gays in the military look bad.

        • Bill Warburton

          Homophobia rs just as deviant.

          • Memphis Viking

            News flash. Opposition to deviance is not deviant.

          • Jeff Brodhead

            A natural aversion to deviants is not a “phobia”. It’s a defense mechanism for our selves, our families and our communities.
            It is innate!

          • Subcomandante Goatz

            Which is why sane people hold conservatives in such contempt.

          • Jeff Brodhead

            May want a “sanity checkup”, there, Subcomandante Goatz.

            I recommend asking your Creator.

          • Subcomandante Goatz

            Only the ignorant believe in a creator.

          • Jeff Brodhead

            Subcowminder Goatz,

            Your comment was deleted – for some reason, but I’ll reply anyway.

            I would much rather believe in a loving, Creator, who willingly sacrificed His Son to pay the price of my sin, and be wrong, than believe I’m the product of chaos, which has no plans for me; care nothing for me, or if I ever existed, and be wrong.

          • Subcomandante Goatz

            Ah, but what if you are wrong about what Mohammed said about the will of Allah? If you believe any primitive superstition could be right, how can you know for certain you have the right one? I mean, Odin promised to rid the world of Frost Giants, and I’ve never seen a Frost Giant. So if invisible sky faeries are possible, how do you know that the Norse were not right, and our only hope is to die in battle and join the gods in Valhalla?

        • Jeff Brodhead

          Time for some “sex-change” operations, in the field.

          • NoCrud

            IF the everlogin’ Media would publicize it, there’d be a lot fewer volunteers.

          • Jeff Brodhead

            fewer volunteers who enlist…
            militias would need bigger meeting places.

        • Conniption Fitz
        • roadwarrior

          “The number of reported sexual assaults across the military shot up by more than 50 percent this year, an increase that defense officials say may suggest that victims are becoming more willing to come forward after a tumultuous year of scandals that shined a spotlight on the crimes and put pressure on the military to take aggressive action.”

      • Jerry

        I neither need nor accept not only gay service but also your service. You still refuse to tell us what your duty was in Viet Nam. In fact I now suspect you are a fig?

      • Cynthia J. McCoy

        That is what they say he did in college. Old habits die hard, I guess.

      • mlb_1902

        Jim Obama is still an illegal just like his aunt was and told to leave 3 times and was drawing welfare and food stamps. First thing Obama did was grant her the right to stay. His uncle was illegal and got a DUI and from what I read he was allowed to stay here and then there is good old Berry Obama who even his wife said he was born in Kenya. The residents of Kenya say he was born there so why the hell is he in the white house and why is he able to use executive powers to bypass Congress. Why is everyone afraid of this lousy POS. He is the worst thing to ever happen to America.

      • apricered

        Jim S, I’ve seen your ‘posts’ before. And, IF you are a military man?, you NEED to seek some ‘real mental health’ help somewhere. Because, almost nothing you say makes sense!!!

      • JHorvathJr

        non-citizen can and do join the military and with honorable discharge are rewarded with citizenship. All that an illegal need do is sign up and keep his nose clean for four years. Nor an impossible task. On Gay rights –it’s the only rights given upon declaration of sexual preference; no proof required, questions asked. Others have names or skin color or vaginas that cause discrimination. Not all effeminate men are gay. You can’t tell unless THEY tell in public. I say you don’t get respect and rights for being crude in public.

    • smogdew

      You probably know of the suicide rate among our veterans – this should NOT happen; also, many VietNam vets were never treated for PTSD because ‘they did not know what it was’ – couple that with their homecoming reception by Americans. Knowing this, Obama’s treatment of our Armed Forces is pour salt into the wounds – he cannot lead our country nor is he a capable CIC…..all things are done on a personal level, not a national one.

      • roadwarrior

        Do
        you know what is a really terrible treatment of soldiers? Lying them
        into wars.

        • NoCrud

          More Spin, Spin, Spin…

      • lovinspoonful

        It’s just another name for “combat fatigue” or “shell shock” and is treatable. This is a result of any war.

    • Burn_the_Witch

      Stop trolling on my tax dollars Jim.

      • NoCrud

        Looks like we have six Soros-paid trollsters in the room as of the time of this comment, according to the number of upvotes. BARF

    • auntielib

      Yes, Jim, I think we can all agree – the United States military has gone rapidly downhill under the leadership of Commander in Chief Barak.

    • pandainc

      Nice rant, guns. What’s that got to do with Obama’s lying and the intimidation of flag officers?

    • timothyf7

      You very conveniently leave off that the President has to put his stamp of approval on the budget for the VA.
      And as a Veteran, I’m sure that you are sickened to the bone every time you see Obama disrespect the flag you fought for, by not paying it due respect during ceremonies and like my father that that fought in WWII, Korea and Vietnam, when we had a ‘Draft-dodger’ leading our country – he was totally torn out of the frame.

      • NoCrud

        Also, the VA is causing Vets to get extra insurance to pay for their care. They also bill other insurance policies, including Medicare, etc., and if you have a Blue Cross—Blue Shield program, it also raises the monthly premiums to between two and three times the prior rate AND the copay goes to $6000 whereas before there was no copay. And then the VA calls to find out why they cannot bill BC-BS. So they then make you use a VA copay and also pay extra for any special clinic appointments, in my case $50 for each/every appointment.

        ObamaScare has even pervaded the VA hospital/healthcare system.

    • Bill Warburton

      About sums it up .From their rhetoric you might belteve Republicans cared about veterans issues while Bernie Sanders, very liberal, is willing to walk the walk

    • Dave Wallace

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      • NoCrud

        Everyone give this knurd a Downvote — even if the total downvote does not show, if enough are received the comment will be removed and other comments by the same knurd will be evaluated to see if they add to the tenor of this forum.

        Soros-paid trolls are everywhere.

        • Subcomandante Goatz

          Complaining of Soros paid trolls, on a site fully funded by the Koch Brother’s Americans for Prosperity is a hoot. IF it wasn’t for us liberals wading through the sewage on this site to share a glimpse of reality with your sheep, you’d never hear anything but Koch brother propaganda.

    • NoCrud

      Thanks for the comment. Also, the VA loves to pair with University hospitals so they can get free care from the graduating students and use the university equipment when the VA equipment goes sour. Also, the students use it for experience with their practice on the Vets. So, even while they cry that they don’t have enough money, they still do not use all the money they receive on VA hospital care and equipment but, instead, a lot is used on internal personnel programs and not the Vets. Check it out.

    • Robbysh

      We know that after WWII, the VA hospitals were dumping grounds for the GIs wrecked by the war. We know that if the VA gets a lot more funding, that little of this results in better care for the vets.

    • emiliani

      Hmm, interesting how you’re quoting the Communist Bernie Sanders to make your point. After all, even John F’ing Kerry was in Vietnam. I’m not buying it.

      • lovinspoonful

        Yeah, he was but he protested the war in his khaki uniform and his long hair in Washington. then, when he was a senator, gave himself a purple heart for his so-called injury rescuing all the men he alleged he did. He went back to rescue (?) them after all the shooting was over. He was not wounded.

  • wabby99

    All good gay Communist leaders push their agenda why would Obama be any different. So when will he come out of the closet?? Before or after his second term?

  • J. C. Smith

    And it’s embarrassing that every one of the service chiefs rolled over.

    I am one embarrassed veteran.

    • spatin

      Me too.

      • NoCrud

        Me three…

        • FriendofThom

          How did they ignore their oath to uphold the Constitution??

    • Sunshine43

      Agreed, but he could not only ruin them, but also their families AND friends! Why else would there have been such a huge amount of brass who have left the military!?

      • lovinspoonful

        Obama has fired a lot of generals and just threatened to fire more if they don’t back him up.

  • RetiredTrainman

    Ge what else could we expect from a GAY president that is also a socialist (communist) girlie boy.
    Just how many days left do we need to put up with this a+s-wipe?

    • terryhoaglland123@aol.com

      So sad to say to many.

    • Bill Warburton

      Only until you help elect Hillary, your next popularly elected Preident. Don’t you just Love the democratic vote.

      • Sunshine43

        OH, GOOD GOD! Please save us from that,

        • Bill Warburton

          Failure to deal with real issues instead of the quality of most of Obama liar communist diatribes comments are the reason you got a second Clinton, Obama and probably Hillary Administration. President Obama’s policies are a direct ideology line of past 80 years.If yu disagree with where that has led us as a nation have a intelligent conversation about, perhaps bring William F. Buckley back from dead!

          • skyway1234

            I didn’t know there was such a thing as “a intelligent conversation.”

          • Bill Warburton

            Probably not since Buckley died. Jerrymandering has ruined the political landscape creating only one party, the incumbent party.

      • Lc Goodfellow

        You want to look for them, the new Bumper Stickers on the Obama clunkers
        ” Monica Lewinsky’s X-Boyfriend’s Wife for President 2016 “

    • FriendofThom

      If Repubs aren’t gutless, nutless cowards, Obama should be out by the end of next January, if they win control of the Senate as expected. Don’t vote for any Republican who won’t say they support impeachment.

      • Subcomandante Goatz

        Republicans need 60 votes in the Senate for impeachment for it to even come to the floor. Republicans might get 51 seats in the Senate, but even that will include Republicans not stupid or crazy enough to support impeachment. Not to mention that the back-lash would guarantee a Democratic sweep in 2016. If we get a majority, you can be certain Clarance Thomas’ corruption will lead to a liberal majority on the Supreme Court.

      • lovinspoonful

        There are enough votes in the House for impeachment but the senate will not do their job.

  • spatin

    I was kinda hoping I would read that the 5 joint chiefs of staff put Obama under arrest on the spot and take over the government to run it as a Constitutional Republic. Guess our own military leaders do not believe that the Constitution is the law of the land.

    • terryhoaglland123@aol.com

      Why are so many people scared to speak out to him ? I guess he’s got his thugs behind him it is time for the American people to come together.

      • Dave Wallace

        Why not? All the socialist vermin in the WH cum together when Ocommie jerks off.

      • Sunshine43

        He learned well in Chicago!

    • Stan H

      That Constitution makes HIM Commander-in Chief. Disobedience to his lawful orders (like don’t discriminate) would be TREASON!

      • NoCrud

        Lawful Orders (like with his phone and his pen) DO discriminate over the Constitution, regardless of any way you try to spin it.

      • williamdiamon

        No sir, not treason, but sedition. Treason is a crime against the Constitution. Sedition is a crime against the Federal Government. You can go to jail for sedition. You can be hung for treason.

        • Stan H

          Disagree. Even though it’s a “distinction without a difference”, when you disobey a direct order from a superior officer (not to mention the C-in-C, you’re not charged with sedition. You’re charged with Treason.

          • NoCrud

            ▼▼▼

          • williamdiamon

            Not sir, a charge of treason would require an act against the United States. Merely disobeying an order would not be treason under any circumstance.

          • NoCrud

            Stan H??? thinks that The Obamaroid IS the country. It’s like believing in a Fairy Tail.

          • williamdiamon

            To consider the United Sates Federal Government, or any organ of, to be the supreme law of the land is Nationalism.
            To consider the Constitution the supreme law of the land is Patriotism.

          • NoCrud

            And of course you are right. Anyone who argues against this view is enough to prove their lack of knowledge and understanding of the Constitution and Patriotism.

          • williamdiamon

            yep

          • Stan H

            Upon research, I’m forced to admit that you’re basically right. Though, it STILL would definitely cause the offender to be charged and imprisoned.

          • williamdiamon

            Thanks, and yes you will still find yourself in the brig, for sure. But it’s a question we must each answer for ourselves.
            I believe disobeying an unconstitutional order or law is less of a crime then obeying an unconstitutional order or law.

          • Stan H

            Agreed.

    • FriendofThom

      The Constitution says gays can’t serve openly in the miltary? Where?

  • bestrevenge

    I don’t know what others think on the issue of gays in the military. I’m a veteran and don’t think I would want some of the gays I know in the foxhole next to mine. Most are effeminate, emotional, flighty and easily upset. Not traits that do well in combat. This president and administration think, like most liberals, that they can order and legislate people to accept changes to the mores and culture they grew up with. It can’t be done and if you push it people will rebel. It’s time for Obama and his minions to get out of Dodge. Maybe in November we can begin the task of taking our nation back.. It’s not perfect but it is a whole lot better that what we have and the direction we’re going.

    • allison hunter

      gays make the best soldiers, they won’t leave their buddies behind!!

      • NoCrud

        I get your sarcasm…
        ☺☻(See? I’m not prejudiced)

      • Gnowark

        I’m not really sure if you’re serious about that, but I’m STILL laughing!

    • Stan H

      That’s the exact same BS that was spouted when Eisenhower moved to integrate the military. African-Americans then made (and continue to make)
      historical contributions to the military, and the U.S. remains the pre-eminent, most-feared fighting force in history. You should really join the 21st century.

      • NoCrud

        You are equating Blacks and Gays in a very broad way that does not reflect the Black element of society in its entirety. All Blacks are not gay and all Gays are not Black.

        The comment by Bestrevenge was that it was time for Obama and his Minions to get our of Dodge. Nothing was said about Blacks, It was about Gays. But maybe you are going to bat for Gays, huh?

        • Stan H

          Yes, I am! Discrimination is discrimination.

          • NoCrud

            Or so YOU say. From your comments here in this blog, your opinion is as logical and American as a Frog.

      • bestrevenge

        You’re gay, aren’t you Stan. Fine, I have no problem with that. You have not served your country even one day either. When you are being shot at and you are convinced you will not see the sun come up, you want someone beside you that you can trust. Blacks in the military, if that is the comparison you are attempting, were men, at least in the war I fought in. I had no trouble trusting they would not turn and run at the first sight of the enemy. Gays, on the other hand, most gays that is, give me a different impression. They don’t want to mess their hair, break a nail or get their uniforms dirty, let alone killing someone who is doing his level best to kill you. And, our military pre-eminence, thanks to our wimp of a president, is a thing of the past. You do not know from either experience or intellect from whence you speak.

        • Stan H

          One, I’m not gay, though as an African-American, I do support their struggle for equal rights. No, I haven’t served my country, but I do support our military (whatever their sexual orientation).

          As I implied earlier, your stereotypes belong in the last century (maybe the one before that). I’d give good odds that there are gays serving in the military right now that could whip your ass without breaking a sweat.

          And, despite the attrition caused mainly by the unfunded wars of the last President, we STILL have the most capable military in the world by far. No one, (including Putin) is spoiling to get into a war with our military, whether gays openly serve or not.

          • bestrevenge

            At 70 I’m sure there are gays in the military who could whip my ass. That’s why I carry. I don’t stereotype gays, I said most or some gays. But the subject here is not about being black as I see it’s an issue for you. It’s about gays. And what I said about getting shot at and killing, well, you don’t qualify to comment. You serve with the squirmy bastards if you want to. Uh, sorry, you didn’t and don’t serve. Don’t come back with kum by ya comments if you have not walked the walk. No matter what the government says, or our black president, won’t change how people act. You can legislate it, threaten it and beat people with a stick but a gay is a gay is a gay. Not all but enough to make me damned nervous in a firefight. Oh yeah. That’s when the two sides shoot at each other.

          • Stan H

            “70″, that kinds of explains the perspective. As I said, an outdated argument. Transpose “gays” with ”blacks” and the rhetoric from last century would be identical with yours today. You probably served with dozens of gays who served honorably (probably some with distinction) and you didn’t even know it. Discrimination is discrimination no matter how you couch it. I’m proud of our President. It’s the right stand to take.

          • bestrevenge

            Your reaction to my age negates you comments. I can see clearly that it’s foolish to trade blows with a fool. You vote for a living and you won’t see what is before your vary eyes. I am not transposing gays with blacks. I have seen too many gay blades go screaming into the night crapping their pants on the way while the black soldiers, for the most part, held their ground. Yes, we knew who was gay and who was not and there is a distinct reason why they should not be in combat. Maybe in the rear with the gear, no pun intended. If you are proud of the current resident in the White House it must be for the record number of food stamp recipients, cell phones and trainloads of free stuff some of our citizens and non citizens require and are impressed with. Go and find someone who is firmly entrenched with “political correct speech. I grow weary of your leaning and learning to be black. I’m proud to be 70 and to have survived Vietnam. You sir, with all the respect that is due you, may go to hell.

          • Stan H

            The feeling is mutual. I don’t “vote for a living”. I’ve been gainfully employed (and made quite a good living) for most of the last 35 years. If you can’t see the correlation between more food stamps and the worst recession in decades (which he inherited from Bush) nothing that anyone can say will help you.

            The cellphone issue is a tired old trope that 5 minutes of actual research (instead of soaking up “Faux News” lies like a sponge) would tell you. The Lifeline cell phone program was started under President REAGAN, it was expanded to landlines under President BUSH, it’s just as much an Obamaphone program as you’re a liberal.

            I wish one day that you right-wingers would actually identify all of this “free stuff” that Obama’s handed out, because I didn’t get any. I suspect that they’re in the same alternate universe that the “Obamacare death panels” exist in.

          • bestrevenge

            The same old rhetoric from the same sources, full of sound and fury and signifying nothing. Come back to debate when you are more of a challenge!

          • Stan H

            Why don’t YOU come back when you find some “Obamaphones” or all the “free stuff” that he’s given away, or maybe one of those “death panels” that Obama’s set up for all of the Republicans.

          • bestrevenge

            Oh yeah, put your real picture up there and see who salutes.

          • Stan H

            It’s called an “avatar”. Look it up.

          • bestrevenge

            Hiding behind it? A rose is a rose as a man who can’t face the world with his own face. I feel sorry for you but admire your capacity for excuses.

          • Stan H

            I’ve always had a hard time resisting a challenge. Happy? No “propositions”, you’re not my type. LOL

          • bestrevenge

            So. You are a fudge packer.

          • Stan H

            BPR quickly deleted your offensive post. As I posted earlier, I’m not gay by any stretch (and could give you a couple of hundred references as to which way I swing). Nevertheless, as an African-American, I do support the LGBT struggle for equal rights.

            You know that they say that the most rabid homophobes are often “over-compensating”. Could that be the case here? LOL

          • bestrevenge

            One more thing. Bush has not been the president for 5 years. Stop blaming him and whipping a dead horse. Your black president is now responsible and if he can’t fix anything in half a decade then it’s not likely he’ll fix anything in 3 years if he can avoid impeachment or until November 2014.

          • Stan H

            Some things take longer to fix. You can wipe up a spill in seconds, re-building a destroyed home takes a lot longer. The Bush administration was MUCH closer to the destroyed home than the spilled liquid.

            Impeachment is a Teapublican pipe dream that intelligent Progressives laugh at. Bring it on!!

    • Bill Warburton

      The mores and culture has changed and you are the one who doesn’t want to change. Young people could care less about the issue and has nothing to do with your measure of them as a human being. 1600 species have some form of homosexuality but only one is homophobic.

      • Memphis Viking

        Most of those young people aren’t suited to serve in the military either. And how sad are people who have to justify their actions by saying “animals do it too”?

      • bestrevenge

        Just because your dog humps your leg does not justify putting your life in the hands of a effeminate gay man. Sorry Bill, you’re not qualified either.

      • bestrevenge

        And no! I don’t want to change just because it’s popular to do so.

        • NoCrud

          It’s popular to the tune of about 2-1/2%, regardless of the wishful thinking of the Homoroids.

      • NoCrud

        Your wish is farthest from the facts. 1600 sounds like a number Joe Biden would pull from his derriere.

  • magic1114

    Allow gays to serve openly? I didn’t know Obozo wanted to join the military…

    • Dave Wallace

      It’s his only choice. His wife is a lezzie.

    • Gnowark

      Didn’t you know? as president, he is the QIC.

      • NoCrud

        QIC… Very appropriate. And this means he can also be The First “Lady”… Hmmmm!

        Imagine that…! America is the first country with two First Ladies. That’s assuming that Moochelle is a Lady, of course.

  • cowboybob

    Christians and others, should leave(flee) the military. This Communist President has destroyed the military. Who wants to serve in the Red Army?

    • FriendofThom

      HAHAHAAHA!

  • Ehuud

    Those generals better listen to The Messiah. He is the world’s foremost expert on any and all subjects. This includes all things related to the military. Disagreeing with him is blasphemy, racism, and treason. HEIL OBAMA!

    • allison hunter

      it’s all bush’s fault and you’re a racist!!