Greenpeace co-founder demolishes liberals’ ‘cult-like’ agenda on global warming, climate change

A co-founder of the liberal environmental advocacy group Greenpeace separated the hyperbole from the climate change issue that has become its hallmark to get at the facts — and they don’t support the Al Gores of the world.

Patrick Moore, who holds a PhD in ecology, told Fox News host Sean Hannity Thursday that he left Greenpeace after 15 years when the group began taking up positions on issues unsupported by scientific fact.

He referred to man-made climate change theory as “a kind of nasty combination of extreme political ideology and a religious cult all rolled into one” — a perfect storm.

“It is a powerful convergence of interests among a very large number of elites, including politicians who want to make it seem as though they are saving the world, environmentalists who want to raise money and get control over very large issues like our entire energy policy, media for sensationalism, universities and professors for grants – you can’t hardly get a science grant these days without saying it has something to do with climate change,” he said.

As a result, funds are being misspent and poorly allocated.

“There are millions of children dying every day from preventable vitamin deficiencies and diseases and we’re spending hundreds of billions of dollars on a problem that may not exist.”

He emphasized that climate models, popularly used to make predictions, are notoriously unreliable. “You could learn more about the future by throwing a bunch of bones on the ground.”

Watch the exchange via Fox News.

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  • Maria-Erlinda Martinez

    This fellow, Patrick Moore hit the nail on the head.

    Boy, when I was in graduate school (Small-particle Physics and Electrical Engineering), the scam was that one of “global-freezing”.

    Graduate students working for their PhD in atmospheric sciences that were taking physics courses I was taking used to tell me that all that hoopla about “global-freezing” was “very good”, for, with the ongoing commotion about it, getting juicy research-grants was easier.

    Of course, I am not in graduate school now, but I am for sure in the “graduate school of life”, and can tell you that brigands of all kinds are getting juicy “green-tech” venture-capital subsidies and grants for “green-tech” startups.

    For example, Al Gore is a senior “GreenTech” partner with Kleiner Perkins Caufield and Byiera (KPCB.com), the most powerful venture-capital firm in the world. KPCB is very active in green-tech startups, raking-in billions of dollars from Obama’s federal government (i.e., taxpayer money) and other “investors”.

    Al Gore is now worth more than quarter of a billion.

    • Joe Parente

      Oh, but the billions upon billions of tax-breaks and outright grants of
      taxpayer money to fossil fuel companies somehow escape your scrutiny?

      And
      I highly doubt you knew any grad students taking physics courses who
      told you anything of the kind. As a matter of fact, even though a few
      popular media articles focused on cooling (due to the aerosols we were
      emitting), the growing consensus even at the time was the warming from
      CO2 would overwhelm any cooling from dimming.

      And if a
      physicist doesn’t know that CO2 traps heat in the atmosphere(known as
      fact since the 1850s), you need to go back to school. Sorry, Ma’am I
      call ‘em the way I see ‘em.

      • Dallas Townsend

        somehow, because the corrupt oil companies and the associated politics doing wrong makes the lies and theft of billions by the greens ok?

        she was merely making a statement on the topic of the article not the over all scheme.

        • Joe Parente

          Nah, she was merely diverting attention from the gobs of cash thrown at fossil fuel companies who are here employers.

          • Blaser270

            Another village missing their idiot. Go home!

          • Liberals Are Trash

            That idiot is probably glad that the comment system was changed not to include downvotes as to not hurt the clown’s feelings.

          • carolskey

            So, why even retain the down arrow? Is this their attempt to pretend they still allow a negative vote!? God Bless!

          • Takiwiaa

            And you’re not diverting attention…okay.

          • Jeff

            And what about Solindra, 535 Million Dollars because they donated 30 Million Dollars to the Obama Campaign! And samething for all the other Solar Companies!!!

          • Joe Parente

            Look, I don’t believe I said I supported grants and/or loan guarantees to ANYBODY, did I?

          • Peter1951

            J.P. my cat has one green eye and one brown eye. So what. Scientists have never been able to conduct scientifically valid tests on the effects of the earths overall temperature as it relates to CO2 because the earth is not a closed system. There are hundreds of thousands of variables that interact with each other creating the soup we call climate. We know that over 98% of CO2 is the result of the sun interacting with our oceans and without this poisonous gas, life on earth as we know it couldn’t exist. I’m not going to get into the effects that sun spots cause regarding CO2 but it is just another question real scientist are studying for answers.
            The point of this entire article was an insider’s honest appraisal of why he had to leave the organization he founded.

          • Joe Parente

            Huh? The point of the article was to yet again muddy the waters with another “expert” who really isn’t.

          • J R Moses

            That is an ASSUMPTION Joe. How about I assume you are a liberal democrat that is somehow benefiting from all the crap that is going on with the present administration and do not wish your free ride to be threatened?

          • Jim Bozeman

            While you like to attack “fossil fuel” companies, remember that the key word is “fuel” … they produce it, unlike Gore and the greenies who only produce hot air.

        • Joe Parente

          Where did I say it was ok to give grants of my tax money to ANYBODY?

          • TBW

            You said it was ok to give away all your money when you voted for the illegal alien Kenyan…

          • Joe Parente

            I haven’t voted since 2006 and I don’t support Obama, who is just a continuation of Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, etc… They’re all corrupt lying politicians with no hope of ever changing or actually working for the people.

          • TBW

            Joe, I’m delighted to say we finally agree on something…

          • Joe Parente

            Yeah, that’s why I don’t listen to politicians when it comes to science. I listen to ahem, climate scientists and read some papers and sometimes do my own experiments.

        • J R Moses

          The point I try to make all the time Dallas…..”TWO WRONGS DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT.” Both wrongs should be dealt with accordingly………not let one “slide” just because another has been doing wrong also.

          • Dallas Townsend

            Thank you, I don’t believe in the climate change due to man. I believe that this was all a money grap and to get agendas in motion that otherwise may take a lot longer without this urgent need to save the world from ourselves.

      • TIMedWork

        If you call them the way that you see them, then you are clearly myopic, as well as cross-eyed.

      • EdWatts

        The atmosphere on Mars is about 95% carbon dioxide; that planet should be an inferno!

        (It’s not.)

        Water vapor is a much more efficient “greenhouse gas” than carbon dioxide. Haven’t you ever wondered why this isn’t a topic of discussion among today’s “climate scientists”? Could it be that there is no way to regulate or tax the water vapor emissions from lakes and oceans, especially those in the spheres of “poor” countries?

        Yeah, I’m a physicist; but grants have, recently, been hard to get.

        • Joe Parente

          Yeah, and if it wasn’t 95% CO2 it would be an iceball.

          Of course, you miss mentioning that Venus is also 95% CO2, and is hotter than Mercury, even though it’s almost twice the distance from the Sun and it has virtually no water vapor.

          So it’s no wonder you’re not getting grants, with your obvious penchant for selective data reporting.

        • David Patrick Maurer

          the atmospheric density of mars is 0.6% that of earth. in other words, it has so little atmosphere that saying it has one is debatable. it is nowhere near dense enough to reflect heat, unlike venus, which is hot enough to melt lead.

      • Josef Roesler

        “Oh, but the billions upon billions of tax-breaks and outright grants of taxpayer money to fossil fuel companies somehow escape your scrutiny?”

        Fossil fuels work. Green fuels do not. That’s the difference.

        • Blaser270

          Don’t confuse him with facts. He’s been brainwashed and he’s happy in lala land.

        • Joe Parente

          I agree with you that “green fuels” don’t work. The only way the even approach being price competitive is because they’re based on a cheap oil paradigm. You can’t make a wind turbine without massive amounts of fossil fuels, you’d never get enough energy from a turbine to make another one.

          However, it still begs the question of why one would be upset about one and not the other.

          • Josef Roesler

            If your green companies could get me an electric car that costs $15000 and actually works, then I wouldn’t care if they got tax breaks. But when you dump taxpayer money into a boondoggle, people get upset.

      • Jeff

        You’re lying!

        • Joe Parente

          Yeah, where’s the “lie” in my post?

      • Paul V. Sheridan

        First of all, there is no such thing as “fossil fuels,”

        http://www.veronicachapman.com/vlinks/OriginsOfOil.htm

        but thank you for confirming, from the get-go, that you haven’t got a clue . . . which then manifests in your rant, quote:

        “Oh, but the billions upon billions of tax-breaks and outright grants of taxpayer money to fossil fuel companies somehow escape your scrutiny?”

        Really? Well insulting moron, those of us who do not cow-tow to the kosher notion that CO2 drives climate, very much indeed “scrutinize” EVERYTHING, including Big Oil. So save your not-so-polite insults for the born-yesterday crowd (And just so we’re clear, you started the insults routine, I am just following your “lead,” ok moron?) And we also scrutinize the financial garbage that alleges to justify trash like . . . wind farms (DUH!)!

        And this crap, quote:

        “Sorry, Ma’am I call ‘em the way I see ‘em.”

        Really? So you’re the one that’s on top of the CO2 propaganda . . . and you can top the climate scientists that have been at this for DECADES, as opposed to your periodic internet trolling rants? ROTFL!

        Well, try this little lesson on for size, by a friend of mine named Professor Ian Clark, scroll to 11:50 for specifics:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cSE6kiypmQ

        What next? Are you going to ban water vapor? Or perhaps, given your financial rant, tax it?

        BTW, can you state an R^2 value for us?? Well hotshot?

        And, anticipating your rant and that of your guru (Al Gore?) about polar bears, laugh at this one:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9sFgUwiKik

        And finally your goo quote:

        ” . . . as fact since the 1850s . . .”

        ROTFL!!!

      • D.b. Swanson

        Joe…. You are a liar!

      • Cadiz

        I thought part of the scientific method was to always question established premises. Why is it that if anyone questions global warming or climate change they are immediately charged with ‘working for the oil companies’, being simple minded and being a member of the Tea Party? Whenever I see something treated like a ‘sacred cow’ I immediately question its validity.

        • Phil

          But. Obamao said the debate is over remember? So did Al Gore.
          But like typical libs they told a half truth.
          The debate is over and the greenies lost.

      • J R Moses

        Two wrongs do not make a right Joe. Both should be dealt with. I’m pretty sick of people pointing out wrongs of the past as if to say that “just because someone else got away with something……we have to give a free pass to this wrongdoer.” Tell me how we would EVER make things better, since our past is filled with wrongdoing.

        • Joe Parente

          Well first of all, the billions going to fossil fuels companies is happening today, not in the past, so I don’t know your point there. It’s disingenuous and/or shows a bias toward fossil fuel companies to complain about “green” subsidies, but not fossil fuel subsidies which I believe are much, much greater in number and dollar amount. I believe “her” point was to focus people on the “green” subsidies so they wouldn’t touch the subsidies of the FF companies.

          Personally, I don’t want subsidies of any kind going to any company for anything. I’m pretty incensed that corporations get to write off travel and expenses from their income, but I’m not. What happened to ‘equal protection’?

    • John C Craig

      If you “follow the money”, you’ll see that for every dollar of science funding, there’s probably a million dollars at stake for oil and gas. That’s where the true motivation for undermining the science lies. Think about it. Global warming is science, not debate.

      • TBW

        Global warming is science, just like blood letting was a generation or two ago. Anyone found believing the “scientific community” widely accepted fact of blood letting or “climate change” during the winter, are tarred and feathered and shouted down.

        What blood letting and global warming “scientists” have in common is a massive ego and lack of faith in God…

        • John C Craig

          A. Blood letting is in no way a science. Not whatsoever. Google on “scientific method” to learn about this, and how true science is not based on opinion, bias, or debate.
          B. You can believe in God without having to buy into Big Oil.
          C. You can believe in God and still know that the scientific method, with its peer reviewed, repeatable, testable conclusions, is right. History, over and over, has shown this to be true.

          • http://wwwacadia1755.blogspot.com/ wilbert Robichaud

            Astronomy is a science; astrology is a pseudoscience.

            Evolution is science; creationism is pseudoscience.

            Molecular biology is science; homeopathy is pseudoscience.

            Vaccination is science; the MMR scare is pseudoscience.

            Oxygen is science; phlogiston was pseudoscience.

            Chemistry is science; alchemy was pseudoscience.

            Are you with me so far?

          • Jeff

            And GlobalWarming/ClimateChange(ha) is a pseudoscience?! More like a CULT!!!

          • Phil

            Well. Climate DOES change but that’s as far as it goes.
            I call it more of a Scam than a Cult,.
            There are useful idiots for everything. Not JUST for Communism.

          • David Patrick Maurer

            creationism is nonsense.

          • Phil

            One correction. Evolution is a Theory.

          • EdWatts

            OK. How has “the scientific method” been used in this “global warming” scenario? (Hint: it hasn’t.) As a matter of fact, the “real” data for the past decade-and-a-half show that there has been no warming, indicating — but not, necessarily, proving — that the “models” were faulty.

            Models are not any kind of substitute for experimental results. I can produce a computer model which will show that you will have a heart attack every time you use your telephone. If I design the model so that you die eighty-three years, six months, three days, twelve minutes, and fourteen seconds after ending the call, there is no way to prove me wrong until you die sooner — and have verifiable data about every (at least, the first) telephone call you ever made — or everyone who knows of this “study” is long dead.

            This, my friend, is what we’re up against with the “global warming” crowd.

          • David Patrick Maurer

            ed, you are almost 100 years behind the times regarding models vs. experimental results. in physics and cosmology, models are the bulk of the work that is done, and even chemistry and biology have become more than 50% based on models, including every drug you’ve taken in the last 40 years. do we adjust the models as new data becomes available? absolutely. that’s the difference between science and belief. if i see something in the data that contradicts my model, i take that into account and the model changes accordingly. deniers are about belief, and will not change regardless of the amount of data. the fossil fuel companies are taking advantage of the fact that some people don’t want to believe we are causing our own destruction because that would contradict their religion, and other people who just aren’t happy that a black man is president, and using that to block any scrutiny or action that gets in the way of their money.

          • TBW

            A “black” man is not president of the USA. Being so interested in science and facts you should know his genetics are unrelated to American blacks…

          • Phil

            Oh boy.Here we go again pulling the race card.
            I won’t bother reading anymore of your posts as you’ve just discredited yourself.

          • truthisliberty
          • TBW

            John, thank you for such a respectful and kind response.

            As for A, the “scientists” of the day all believed in the doctrine and value and performed blood letting in the treatment of human maladies. To tell those egos of that time they were wrong was met with scourn the same way I am met today when I dismiss the climate worry folks. IMO, global warming/cooling or whatever comes next is nothing more then human hype used to change behavior and make money for the leaders of the band.
            As for B, I never said I buy into Big Oil. In fact, I think they are abusive and our government allows them to have a stranglehold on our country. Once people realize that Oil is not a “fossil” fuel but a natural product from the earth and regenerates and will never run out, there may be some backlash against Big Oil and the hucksters claiming it is a diminishing resource. We may over pump the earths production of it but it will never end with no recovery.
            As for C, I have faith in God but not in man. I appreciate some of the things that science has done but other parts of it are an abomination to me such as GMO’s, cattle hormone therapy, and a host of mega farming techniques to name a few.
            What history has proven is civilizations rise and fall based upon man’s humility and arrogance. America (and many UN member nations) has become terribly arrogant and a re-set is coming…

          • Tyler Peck

            Oh so you are another one who thinks peer review was a process designed to detect fraud and that science is free from bias and lies? Wow that is very naive.

        • Joe Parente

          Oh great, the “god will save us” crapola.

          By the way, bloodletting is still used today – “However, in the case of hemochromatosis,
          which is now recognized as the most common genetic, or inherited,
          disorder, frequent bloodletting has become an essential, and life-saving
          procedure.”

          I find a great lack of knowledge among the denier crowd. Not surprising in the least.

          • truthisliberty

            your a finite being who has no clue what God can do. Those who arrogantly believe they can figure out the weather and control it are modern day pharoas side kicks who lie for money, God is in charge and yes God does save which is why He sent Jesus.

            When Jesus woke up, he rebuked the wind and the raging waves. Suddenly the storm stopped and all was calm. 25Then he asked them, “Where is your faith?”

            The disciples were terrified and amazed. “Who is this man?” they asked each other. “When he gives a command, even the wind and waves obey him!”

          • TBW

            We can have satisfaction in knowing that Joe Parente will have the opportunity to tell the Lord, face to face, that He doesnt exist and He is not “scientifically provable”…

          • Joe Parente

            Now that’s funny. And after that, do I get to talk to Frodo and Gandalf? How about the Grinch who stole christmas? Will he be there too?

          • TBW

            Like I said above, you have “a massive ego and lack of faith in God…”. You prove my point perfectly, sir.

            Oh, and BTW, Jesus already saved me so I have no fear of any man claimed calamity or other such nonsense…

          • Joe Parente

            “Faith” is belief without evidence. I don’t deal in “faith” cause that’s what the people in charge use to keep the underlings like you in line.

            Jesus already saved you, huh? How do you know that? Do you talk to invisible fantasy beings often?

          • truthisliberty

            evolution requires faith as NO ONE WAS THERE IN THE BEGINNIG. Evilution is based on speculation. Those who know the truth, know in the beginning was the word and the word was with God. Those who know Jesus. know the missing link!

          • Phil

            That argument is old and wrong Joe.
            Faith in God is a higher state than the people in charge. That’s why Communism et al has to CRUSH God for there can be no higher being than the State or King etc.
            Why do you think those in charge in our country feel the need to denounce God? If it helped them control the people wouldn’t they want to keep it? Faith is the exact opposite and I’m so tired of hearing that argument from progressive morons.
            Morons who in most cases have NO faith and no Knowledge or understanding of it.

          • Phil

            I find the supporters of Global Warming et al to be quite gullible. I also find it easier to believe in God than Junk Science such as Climate change. Climate does change but it cyclical.

        • Bekonwao

          The science community is also quite responsible for thousands of deaths brought forth by their mistakes. In the name of “science” many Jews were tortured in Nazi camps as well. Let us cut this sanctification of scientists, doctors, lawyers etc.,

          They are responsible for many issues which are causing terrible pain as well. Bring down their ivory tower and life will be less painful. Stop glorifying these overpaid abusers of society at large.

      • Cadiz

        All ‘theories’ are subject to question. Why do you believe global warming is a ‘sacred cow’?

    • NiCuCo

      The great global cooling myth:

      “But a new article in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society challenges the idea of a ‘global cooling ’ consensus. Thomas Peterson of NOAA teamed with William Connolley of the British Antarctic survey and science reporter John Fleck to create a survey of peer-reviewed climate literature from the 1970s. Looking at every paper that dealt with climate change projections or an aspect of climate forcing from 1965 to 1979, they were able to assess the ‘trends’ in the literature. They found that only 7 of the 71 total papers surveyed predicted global cooling. The vast majority (44) actually predicted that rising atmospheric carbon dioxide could lead to global warming.”

      http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/2008/10/the_great_global_cooling_myth.html

    • Paul Sheridan

      Maria-Erlinda: My response to “Joe Parente”, just in case you missed it in the pile below:
      ………………
      First of all, there is no such thing as “fossil fuels,”

      http://www.veronicachapman.com

      but thank you for confirming, from the get-go, that you haven’t got a clue . . . which then manifests in your rant, quote:

      “Oh, but the billions upon billions of tax-breaks and outright grants of taxpayer money to fossil fuel companies somehow escape your scrutiny?”

      Really? Well insulting moron, those of us who do not cow-tow to the kosher notion that CO2 drives climate, very much indeed “scrutinize” EVERYTHING, including Big Oil. So save your not-so-polite insults for the born-yesterday crowd (And just so we’re clear, you started the insults routine, I am just following your “lead,” ok moron?) And we also scrutinize the financial garbage that alleges to justify trash like . . . wind farms (DUH!)!

      And this crap, quote:

      “Sorry, Ma’am I call ‘em the way I see ‘em.”

      Really? So you’re the one that’s on top of the CO2 propaganda . . . and you can top the climate scientists that have been at this for DECADES, as opposed to your periodic internet trolling rants? Spare us.

      Well, try this little lesson on for size, by a friend of mine named Professor Ian Clark, scroll to 11:50 for specifics:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

      What next? Are you going to ban water vapor? Or perhaps, given your financial rant, tax it?

      BTW, can you state an R^2 value for us?? Well hotshot?

      And, anticipating your rant and that of your guru (Al Gore?) about polar bears, laugh at this one:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

      And finally your goo quote: ” . . . as fact since the 1850s . . .” ROTFL!!!

    • Paul Kyprie

      “Maria” is a paid troll and probably lives under a bridge called “a right wing stink tank”.

  • paul kersey

    so true, and i have been saying it since day one. “g w” is the biggest, most widespread hoax in the history of mankind.

    • Ash

      Well either way, I’d rather not be pumping the atmosphere full of CO2, NOx, SOx… and using up available O2 in the atmosphere in this giant science experiment that everyone is conducting by burning fossil fuels, because we are messing so massively with our atmosphere that I consider it dangerous. I’d rather not go back to O2 levels prior to the “great oxygenation event” as we will all then be dead!

      • eaglestalon

        Plants feed and grow on Co2 and as they grow they produce oxygen. Oxygen is a renewable resource.

        With all the hysteria from the Left there is STILL no evidence whatever warming we have seen, since stopped for the last 10+ years, is caused by man and not part of a recurring cycle.

        Greenland was named Greenland by the Vikings in the 1300′s because it was GREEN, no snow and ice cover as it has today. What was the cause of it being warm then and frozen today? There are documented periods of much, MUCH warmer weather in the distant past which cannot be explained by industrial pollution.

        • TIMedWork

          The warmest day on record in Europe, was in the 1880′s, in Spain.

          • Doug

            I was there that day. We all quit work at noon.

        • Joe Parente

          No, Greenland was a marketing term to entice the Norse to colonize it. Get your facts right. And atmospheric warming hasn’t “stopped”, just slowed down somewhat cause 90% of the heat goes into the oceans and melting the Arctic sea ice.

          And here’s all the evidence you need to know CO2 causes warming – “Tyndall set out to find whether there was in fact any gas in the

          atmosphere that could trap heat rays. In 1859, his careful laboratory

          work identified several gases that did just that. The most important

          was simple water vapor (H2O). Also effective

          was carbon dioxide (CO2), although in the atmosphere the gas is only a few parts in ten

          thousand. Just as a sheet of paper will block more light than an

          entire pool of clear water, so the trace of CO2 altered the balance of heat radiation through the entire atmosphere”

          • eaglestalon

            There is DNA evidence of forests and mammalian life forms which could not possibly live in an ice covered environment as we see there today.

            DNA, do you know what DNA evidence means? It means the propaganda fed you by the GW hysterics is a LIE.

            Simply google ‘was greenland once greem’ and you will see many articles. The ones claining it was are from SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS, accredited climatologists, etc while the ones saying it wasn’t green are partisans who use inane excuses such as you have to refute the truth.

            DNA CANNOT BE REFUTED.

            Vikings traveling to Iceland from Norway during the MWP were probably
            encouraged by the sight of pastures with sedges and grasses and dwarf
            woodlands of birch and willow (Fig. 14) resembling those at home.

            Figure 14: Sedges, grasses, and dwarf woodlands of birch and willow. (Source: McGovern and Perdikaris, 2000)

            Animal bones and other materials collected from archaeological sites
            reveal Icelandic Vikings had large farmsteads with dairy cattle (a
            source of meat), pigs, and sheep and goats (for wool, hair, milk, and
            meat.) Farmsteads also had ample pastures and fields of barley used for
            the making of beer and these farms were located near bird cliffs
            (providing meat, eggs, and eiderdown) and inshore fishing grounds.
            Fishing was primarily done with hand lines or from small boats that did
            not venture across the horizon (McGovern and Perdikaris, 2000.)

            http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/lia/vikings_during_mwp.html

      • TIMedWork

        All you need to do is to convince China and India to stop all of their polluting industry, and clean up their acts. Until you do that, there is no difference to be experienced by plugging one hole, in a bucket that is full of them.

      • EdWatts

        The atmosphere on Mars is about 95% carbon dioxide; that planet should be an inferno!

        (It’s not.)

        “…messing so massively…” is not, really, a great scientific term; therefore, what you “consider” probably doesn’t make a whole lot of difference in the larger scheme of things.

      • TBW

        Ash, I agree that we must be good stewards of the planet that God allows us to use. It belongs to Him, not us. Think about that the next time you see someone toss a cup or cigarette butt out the window. We dont need to strangle industry and kill countries in order to save the planet. We also dont need to make charlatans like AlGore rich playing into their hoaxes…

  • Guest

    Far better to do nothing on CW until the sea levels rise and the environment is killing millions. Then it will be too late to do anything, so we won’t have to worry.

    • Curtis

      And yet, with all the doom and gloom, warnings of sea levels rising, polar caps melting, none of it is actually happening.

      Tell me, if I warn you that if you eat fruits and vegetables, you are going to die, you will quit eating fruits and vegetables?

      Because you are going to die, I promise you that.

      GASP!!! PANIC!!! We’re all going to die!

      The correlation has to actually be matched, not some made-up nonsense.

      • Jack

        The evidence of sea level rise and polar caps melting is overwhelming. I know of no reputable scientist that disputes this.

        • Curtis

          Actually, just the basest amount of research on your part would tell you that this last year, the polar ice measured higher than it has in a couple of decades.

        • Mogumbo Gono

          No, sea level is not rising:

          http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/topex_2009_pretty_graph.jpg

          NONE of the other alarmist predictions have happened, either.

          At some point, you have to ask yourself, “Why is everything they told me wrong?”

          • http://wwwacadia1755.blogspot.com/ wilbert Robichaud

            No wrong ..they report the opposite of what is being found. Take the 97% of scientists agree canard . a questionnaire was send to 10,257scientists. 3,146 responded. Of that 157 were pick by the pollsters from the department of Earth and evironmental Sciences at the University of Illinois.
            The authors reduced that by half by only
            counting those who they classed as “specialists.” on the subject of climate change (79 individuals in total). 77 of them answered that the Climate was Warming 77 out of 79 = 97% there it is your “majority of scientists”. the actual result is 79 out of 3,146 is 2.8% .or 3%. They Simply reverse the results knowing fully well that the Cultist would not even take the time to check if the survey was accurate. The same thing is done with the idiotic statements about Funded by BIG OIL ! Not one of them has ever taken the time to ask what does this mean?..once ask to expand on that statement? They freeze like a deer in headlights.

          • Jack

            The link you sent clearly shows a rise in sea level. I don’ t know how you can look at it any other way.

    • TIMedWork

      And, according to the experts, that already happened years ago, according to their predictions. Or maybe they were/are wrong.
      According to the European council on environmental issues, the impact of volcanic influence on weather and climate has been underestimated. They have determined that volcanoes are 2 million times more impacting than previously understood.
      Science is a process of discovery. So clearly, if they are discovering, then they do not really know. And with all the predictions being based on computer models, it has been determined that all of the models are inaccurate by not less than 25%, based on their failure to accurately account for volcanic activity; none of which is controlled by mankind.
      For every used car salesman, there are those who want to be fleeced.

    • truthisliberty

      Oh never mind that many global warming oops climate change proponents were on record as lying too continue to feed the public trash. Sweep that under the rug? Climate change voices are hypocrites as there’s no change in their lives. Al Gore and Obama flying and lying all over the place burning more up in gas on a single trip then many families will use in a lifetime. TOTAL hypocrites!

  • Stephen Atchison

    Far better to do nothing until the environment is killing millions. Then it will be too late, so we won’t have to do anything then either.

    • Joe Parente

      It’s actually already too late and anything we could possibly do without starving billions of people would be way too little.

      • cutitall

        Great. A chicken little contest

        • EdWatts

          @cutitall:

          You, sir, are today’s winner! Stephen and Joe, see Jerry backstage; we have some nice “parting gifts” for you.

      • truthisliberty

        oh how ignorance to God robs you of really knowing!

        • TBW

          Those with eyes see and those with ears hear. For the rest that tremble and fear, those are the ones we need to reach, with God’s will, and bring to the Light of Divine Peace and Tranquility…

    • TBW

      Dont be frightened Stephen, the “environment” is not some uncontrolled dragon that will rise up and start eating people. Its a perfect set of systems designed by a kind and loving Heavenly God. As long as you see rainbows in the sky know that tomorrow will come in all its glory and majesty…

      • Stephen Atchison

        Thanks TBW. I feel warm and gooey now that you’ve reminded me that god loves us all, and nothing bad will ever happen.

        • TBW

          I’m glad you found some comfort as fear can be a deadly association. I don’t know who you refer to as god, but you can trust and rely upon God, the one and only Heavenly Creator. As for nothing bad will ever happen, I never said that. I do say, for those that have faith and trust in God, they have nothing to fear from any of AlGore’s and the rest of the socialist new world order hoaxes…

          • Stephen Atchison

            Ah. So if we chop down all the trees, and pollute all the rivers, will there be a divine intervention to save us from ourselves?

          • TBW

            Certainly, there would be Divine Intervention. I am happy that we work to curb deforestation and water pollution and I don’t condone any of that. What I do hate is the power grab of our government, in the name of saving our environment, taking control over the stream that meanders throughout my farm. There is reasonable actions then there is unreasonable subjugation. Moderation is good, slavery and loss of property and personal rights are unacceptable…

  • eb1225

    A Ph. D. in Ecology is not the same as a Ph. D. in climate science. Patrick Moore is no expert on climate change. Contrary to what Moore says, climate models have been carefully validated over the past 30 years and they are not “notoriously unreliable.” Moore is just another person driven by economic and political ideology, not by the scientific facts.

    The Royal Society and the National Academies of Science have just published a handy guide to climate change science that is a lot more authoritative.

    http://royalsociety.org/uploadedFiles/Royal_Society_Content/policy/projects/climate-evidence-causes/climate-change-evidence-causes.pdf

    • EdWatts

      Actually, the models have all been disproved; temperatures have been static for about seventeen years, even with the “massaged” data.

      • eb1225

        Why do you believe that climate models have been disproved and that data has been “massaged” (i.e. falsified)? Do you do your own research on climate science? If not, whose word are you taking for this claim? Is it people who are climate scientists? If they are not climate scientists, why should we accept their word? How about citing your sources.

    • truthisliberty

      weather men are known to get tomorrow’s weather wrong yet you believe men who claim they can see years into the future because of computers? Yet such finite beings consider believing in Jesus irrational. Jesus is the only one who walked on water, its goooooood to know the King! Know the truth and the truth shall set you free!

      • eb1225

        If you knew the difference between climate and weather, you wouldn’t ask this question. And what does Jesus have to do with climate science?

        • TBW

          Jesus, along with His Father’s guidance, created the systems that humans try to study and understand. You can sleep well tonight knowing that a perfect system has been built that man can not destroy. When humans mess around too much God will re-set things and sort them out. No need to tax me for wasteful studies and run up the cost of my fuel and electric in the name of Global Warming/Cooling/or whatever new scam that comes next…

          • Joe Parente

            You can’t argue with someone who plays the “god card”. That means they stopped thinking a long time ago…

          • Phil

            Really now?

          • Joe Parente

            Yep. Believing a 2000-4000 year old fairy tale written by unenlightened shepherds shows a severe lack of critical thinking.

    • TBW

      The great Global Warming hoax is now called Climate Change. Silliest thing I ever heard. Of course the climate changes. Daily, seasonally and cyclically over dozens, hundreds and thousands of years. Thats the way God created it. Nothing new under the sun except for the charlatans that come up with great ways to make money and herd the masses of followers into their financial money making machine…

      • Joe Parente

        You know, you should THINK before you type. It’s been called both for at least 45 years. And just to let you chew on your “is now called” stupid statement, please recall that the IPCC was founded in 1988… Now what does that “CC” mean in the name?

  • David Patrick Maurer

    so deniers can’t get any climate scientists to support their cause (yet still deny that 97% of them believe in man-made climate change), so they jump on a statement by an ex-greenpeace guy? how is he a climatologist? you might as well ask your mail carrier.

    • Curtis

      There are a wide number of climate scientists who disagree. The problem is that the leftist media doesn’t want to permit them into the discussion.

      Dr. Neil Frank, former director of the National Hurricane Center -

      http://www.chron.com/opinion/outlook/article/Climategate-You-should-be-steamed-1715225.php

      And what your “scientists” are doing now is fumbling around trying to justify their continuing grants -

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/03/02/global-warming-alarmists-flip-flop-on-snowfall/

      • David Patrick Maurer

        a weatherman is not a climatologist any more than a dentist is a heart surgeon. keep trying, though – you’re bound to come up with one sooner or later. and don’t quote forbes; every single forbes writer on climate works for the heartland institute, whose 2 biggest clients are exxonmobil and koch industries. you might as well show me a gas station ad. not one of them is a journalist – they are all pr agents.

        • Curtis

          I didn’t think you would accept a doctorate in climate science who was director of the National Hurricane Center, and sure, just blame the article, the writers, despite that what they talked about was actually true. There ARE many climate scientists who disagree. Like I said in my first post, the effort from the GW zealots is to silence them. Just. Like. You.

          I’ll listen to Neil Frank over Al Gore.

          Three words. Hide the decline. Keep hiding it.

    • EdWatts

      A few hundred years ago, nearly every scientist “believed in” phlogiston. There weren’t any mail carriers to ask, so the “scientists”, when left to their own devices, ran off the tracks.

      Thanks for playing, Dave.

      • David Patrick Maurer

        unlike religion or politics, science has come a little way since the dark ages. we actually have things like empirical evidence and peer review (again, unlike religion or politics). the evidence is overwhelming; even your insurance company now plans their actuarial tables with climate change factored in, joining pharma companies stocking up on malaria drugs, the pentagon planning for resource shortage wars due to climate change, the dept. of agriculture projections on where crops will no longer grow based on different temperature shifts, and on and on. it’s not just the climate scientists – it’s everyone but employees, direct or indirect – of fossil fuel companies, and those gullible enough to believe them in the face of overwhelming evidence. it’s a lot more like ‘cigarettes don’t cause lung cancer’ than ‘phlogiston’, and the same pr companies and think tanks are involved in the campaign of denial. that’s why every climate writer at forbes works for the heartland institute. not one of them is a journalist. doesn’t that make it clear that this is a pr campaign to discredit evidence that their clients don’t want anyone to make policy based on?

        • Mogumbo Gono

          DP Maurer,

          That’s a lot of talk and assertions. Too bad it’s all wrong.

          And any time someone uses “denier” in a post, they lose the debate. That pejorative takes the place of thinking.

          I would try to explain the Null Hypothesis to you, but I don’t think you have the capacity to understand it.

        • Jason

          The original study that claimed climate change was real has not been reproduced independently by any scientist using the original data. To claim the world is coming to an end without even a secondary source of evidence is absolutely ignorant.

    • John Campbell

      “you might as well ask your mail carrier.”???

      That’s funny!

      What the Global Warming/climate change flunkies claim is “scientists”, yet the “97%” seems to be filled with all manner of people including scientists who have nothing to do with climate study. Then add in the lawyers and such. Gotta love the claims of the globalist socialist government cult god worshipers.

      • David Patrick Maurer
        • John Campbell

          WHAT A LOAD OF TRASH!!!!!!!!!

          Go back and read your own posted link. Focus on the wording of the pie chart. 97% of idiots who write papers espousing idiocy agree with each other! Now there’s a claim!

          You just can’t make this stuff up. :oD

          LMAO!!!!

          • Curtis

            He’s a true believer. He discounted a Forbes article that I posted on how scientists are speaking out against GW, and then posts this nonsense as an authoritative source. Next he will quote Mother Jones. Nothing to see here.

          • David Patrick Maurer

            sorry – i assumed that you at least had the mental capacity of a chipmunk and could read actual text. click on the ‘advanced’ tab – that’s spelled a-d-v-a-n-c-e-d – and let me know if you have trouble with any of the big words. in case anyone else missed it, the link presents the information as originally reported by the press, as inferred by the public, and then delves into what it actually means on the third tab – including how many climate scientists disagreed with the statement that climate change is happening and probably caused by chipmunks… i mean illiterate chimps.

          • John Campbell

            Are you really this ignorant or is this some kind of a weird front?

            Climate change has been happening daily since before man ever got here. It’s a natural part of the existence and nothing man can do is going to stop it nor is there any reason to consider such lunacy. When you get done trying to insert back and forth the garbage of global warming, climate change, global warming, climate change, maybe someone will listen to you. Most here already figured out that you’re not worth listening to.

            The socialist scam is over and now it’s time to launch the investigations, bring these criminals to justice, and make certain their fate stands as a reminder to what evil socialists are crazy enough to try to pull off in their never ending worship of their globalist socialist cult god.

          • David Patrick Maurer

            john, i was actually going to ask you whether you work for koch industries’ pr agency or exxonmobil’s. i can’t imagine that you are actually as wholeheartedly dumb as you come across.

          • John Campbell

            Well fancy that. I was thinking the same thing about you. Soros pay good these days? :o)

          • David Patrick Maurer

            ‘globalist socialist cult god’? say that 10 times fast.

          • John Campbell

            I could, but I’m not sure you could read it that fast. :o)

          • David Patrick Maurer

            did you used to write for rolling stone? ;-)

          • John Campbell

            No. Never read much of it either. Of course I’ve been told that it’s tough trying to get any *Satisfaction* when typing in a forum. :o)

        • Mogumbo Gono

          SkepticalScience is a blog run by an Australian cartoonist, who knows the same about global warming as any other cartoonist.

    • truthisliberty

      its time to wake up and learn from God!

  • Joe Parente

    Ya know, I like to go to the source to verify what someone is saying. Moore claims he co-founded Greenpeace. Well, what does Greenpeace have to say about that, I wondered…
    “Patrick Moore frequently portrays himself as a founder or co-founder of
    Greenpeace, and many news outlets have repeated this characterization.
    Although Mr. Moore played a significant role in Greenpeace Canada for
    several years, he did not found Greenpeace. Phil Cotes, Irving Stowe,
    and Jim Bohlen founded Greenpeace in 1970. Patrick Moore applied for a
    berth on the Phyllis Cormack in March, 1971 after the organization had
    already been in existence for a year. A copy of his application letter
    and Greenpeace’s response are available here (PDF)”

    So no, he’s no co-founder, not even close. What he is is a f’ing liar, and I hate f’ing liars.

    Greenpeace’s summary of Mr. Moore: “Patrick Moore, a paid spokesman for the nuclear industry, the logging
    industry, and genetic engineering industry, frequently cites a long-ago
    affiliation with Greenpeace to gain legitimacy in the media. Media
    outlets often either state or imply that Mr. Moore still represents
    Greenpeace, or fail to mention that he is a paid lobbyist and not an
    independent source. This page contains information about how to
    accurately describe Mr. Moore and to judge his credibility.”

    His credibility is s4it. And since Fox New didn’t tell you this, they’re f’ing liars too. And did I mention I HATE f’ing liars?

    • Kenneth Clark

      …and Al Gore is your savior I guess

      • Doug

        Jesus votes the Greenpeace Party.

        • Kenneth Clark

          Doug! You’re back! Hope all went well for you…

          • EdWatts

            Yeah! Welcome back!

            What was hell like?

          • Doug

            Good trip. Thank you.

      • Joe Parente

        No idiot. I could care less about Al Gore. He’s just another lying politician. Global warming is about science, not politics. Unlike you, I’ve known we’re warming the planet since the 70s. And now it’s too late to do anything about it, mostly because of brainwashed people like you who only see “liberals vs. conservatives” or “republicans vs. democrats”.

        I have news for you. Physics doesn’t care what party you support. We will all suffer the consequences of ruining our only home.

        • truthisliberty

          God has better plans you just refuse to see!
          Luke 21:25“And there will be strange signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. 26People will be terrified at what they see coming upon the earth, for the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 27Then everyone will see the Son of Mane coming on a cloud with power and great glory.f 28So when all these things begin to happen, stand and look up, for your salvation is near!”

          • Joe Parente

            Not quoting the whole prophecy is a form of bearing false witness, sinner! You left out verse 32 “32 “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.”

            Sounds like a failed prophecy to me…

          • truthisliberty

            Sounds like you are ignorant and will see how ignorant with your own God given eyes.

          • Joe Parente

            Ignorant because I can read with comprehension? It’s plain as day he said all that would happen during that generation, but apparently it didn’t.

            Failed prophecy.

            By the way, nobody gave me my eyes, I grew them myself, thanks.

          • truthisliberty

            Spiritually you’re dull. Jesus was speaking of a future generation. Of things yet to happen! Read the other prophecy’s. Your pride will be your fall.

          • Joe Parente

            “This generation shall not pass away” – Are you arguing the meaning of “this”?
            LOL

    • eaglestalon

      All your ranting changes nothing. Facts are facts and the GW nuts have NONE on their side and cannot even explain why their own climate models have so badly failed, not can they explain WHY we have been experiencing Global COOLING for the past 13 years.

      You guys are the fools who said snow would be gone from the Himalayas in a few years….OOPS!! Go ahead and wave your arms around and stamp your feet. It changes nothing. Your fear mongering is of diminished impact as people simply turn away from your hysterical rants. Latest polling puts concern about GW all the way down in 19th place. That would be behind the Moon falling to earth and Alien life forms conquering earth.

      • Joe Parente

        You obviously have a weak grip on the facts. There are several explanations why the ATMOSPHERE has not warmed as much as projected, one of which is all the heat content going towards MELTING THE ARCTIC SEA ICE and also WARMING THE OCEANS. And there’s a 60-40 chance of an El Nino this summer, which will cause this year and possibly next to blow out the 1998 record, and then what will you say?

        • truthisliberty

          what will you say if God decides to let it snow for the whole year? God controls the climate you just run your mouth!

          • Joe Parente

            Which “god” is that? Thor?

          • truthisliberty

            Jesus the one that offends finite sinners minds.

          • Joe Parente

            Nah, all religions created to keep the masses in line offend me.

        • Mogumbo Gono

          .

          Joe Parente:

          1. The oceans are not warming any more than the land is. The planet has not warmed for more than 17 years now. Even NASA admits that.

          2. The Arctic gained so much ice this year that it wiped out all the losses of the past decade, plus. Arctic ice is now well above average. And…

          3. Nothing is happening now that has not happened to a greater degree in the recent past [the Holocene].

          Sorry, but the “carbon” scare is getting ridiculous. Only fools and fanatics still believe in it any more.

          .

          • Jack

            Do you have a source for claim 2? it contradicts everything that I’ve seen published.Claim 1 is a bit dubious also. Nine of the ten hottest years have occurred in this century.

          • Joe Parente

            1) Wrong – This is from a recent paper in Science: “Observed increases in ocean heat content (OHC) and temperature are
            robust indicators of global warming during the past several
            decades. We used high-resolution proxy records
            from sediment cores to extend these observations in the Pacific 10,000
            years
            beyond the instrumental record. We show that
            water masses linked to North Pacific and Antarctic intermediate waters
            were warmer
            by 2.1 ± 0.4°C and 1.5 ± 0.4°C, respectively,
            during the middle Holocene Thermal Maximum than over the past century.
            Both
            water masses were ~0.9°C warmer during the
            Medieval Warm period than during the Little Ice Age and ~0.65° warmer
            than in recent
            decades. Although documented changes in global
            surface temperatures during the Holocene and Common era are relatively
            small,
            the concomitant changes in OHC are large”

            2) Wrong again. All you have to do is go to here http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/ to find out this year is threatening a new record low of sea ice extent in the Arctic.

            3) Got some evidence for that? Are you going to drag out that regional warming called the MWP, which has been shown to be a local event to Europe, while the whole planet was on average during the period.

            The only fools around here are the ones who get their climate news from Sean Hannity and the liars he puts on the air.

        • eaglestalon

          LOL, you GW freaks are funny. I post a link loaded with scientific evidence, itself linked to siurces of undeniable credibility and all you can do is come back with things you THINK MAY HAPPEN, as if you can predict the future. There has been NO WARMING IN OVER YEARS and your precious IPCC ADMITS IT’S OWN CLIMATE MODELS ARE WRONG. It also has NO explanation why warming has stopped and can only claim that it will return “in the future”. Gimmee a break, these clowns are lacking ALL credibility and still you warmists cling to every (discredited) word they speak.

          • Joe Parente

            No, you’re wrong. Sorry.

            The atmospheric warming continues. Taking an outlier like 1998 and trying to claim that the trend is broken or something is just plain lying. If you take a standard trend line over the last 30 years, the warming is still on trend. The IPCC “admitted” nothing of the kind, since the current temps are within the margin of error in the models.

            And there are at least 3 explanations for the missing heat in the atmosphere, 1) Lack of stations in the Arctic, which is warming faster than the rest of the planet, 2) increased warming of the mid-level oceans and 3) heat content going towards melting the Arctic ice, among other places. All of this information is easily accessible, all you need to do is turn off that liar Hannity.

    • Mogumbo Gono

      Dr. Moore has a PhD. You have a baseless opinion.

      Gee, who should I listen to? Joe Parente? heh

      • Jack

        Burton Richter has a Ph.D. and a Nobel Price, as did Obama’s former scientific adviser. They are concerned about climate change, and have far more impressive credentials that a fossil-fuel and nuclear energy spokesperson.

      • Joe Parente

        Um no. I didn’t say that, Greenpeace did.

        And big deal he has a PhD. It’s in ecology, so how is he qualified to talk about climate science?

        Or do you go to your doctor for plumbing advice cause he has a PhD?

  • Plow Comms

    The story of man-made global-warming is a story of science fiction conjured up by fortune tellers and sooth-sayers with an anti-Western political agenda.

    • Ash

      As I posted earlier: either way, I’d rather not be pumping the atmosphere full of CO2, NOx, SOx… and using up available O2 in the atmosphere in this giant science experiment that everyone is conducting by burning fossil fuels, because we are messing so massively with our atmosphere that I consider it dangerous. I’d rather not go back to O2 levels prior to the “great oxygenation event” as we will all then be dead!

      • EdWatts

        The atmosphere on Mars is about 95% carbon dioxide; that planet should be an inferno!

        (It’s not.)

        “…messing so massively…” is not, really, a great scientific term; therefore, what you “consider” probably doesn’t make a whole lot of difference in the larger scheme of things.

        • Jack

          Venus’ atmosphere is mostly CO2, and it is an inferno.

          • Mogumbo Gono

            Venus is much, much closer to the Sun. You left out that little factoid…

          • Jack

            And Mars is further from the sun. The point is is that your argument has no scientific or logical merit.

  • Jerry

    Thank You sir for pointing that out. Only if the MSM would pick that up.

  • TBW

    Thank you all, my loyal worshipers and followers, for supporting my agenda and making me and my partners filthy rich!

    -Al Gore
    Inventor of Internet and global warming/cooling/change or whatever…

    • EdWatts

      And the inspiration for “Love Story”!