Watch employees react as they learn of Obamacare premium increases

News footage captures despair on the faces of employees of a small business — the heartbeat of America’s economy – when they learn how the Affordable Care Act will impact their group health insurance plan.

ABC affiliate WTAE-TV was there when a company insurance agent handed the owner and employees of Simonetta’s Collision Repair Center their new benefits sheets and premium costs.

“They call it the ‘Affordable Health Plan.’ There’s nothing affordable about it. I can’t afford it,” one Simonetta worker, identified only as Jeff, says on the video.

Premium increases are only part of the story. Deductibles rose from $1,250 to $2,000 — $4,000 for employees with children. Co-pays to primary caregivers doubled from $20 to $40 per visit.

The company’s owner, Gary Simonetta, was hardest hit — his premium increased by more than $500 per month.

Since HealthCare.gov’s Oct. 1 rollout, we’ve heard many stories of cancelled policies and skyrocketing costs. But this is the first time we witness the moment when everyone in a small business learns how each has been shoehorned into a one-size-fits-all plan.

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  • Eric Goodman

    Under my new plan, the cost of my prescriptions had quadrupled, and my doctor has to file a petition regarding one medication because the insurance company sent a letter saying the quantity of pills in the prescription exceeds their “allowable amount”. I’m sure it won’t be long before my doctors stops taking me as a patient if I remain under this plan. He and I have had long conversations about ACA, and he hates it (and he is a life-long democrat!!!).

    • elmcqueen3

      The problem with Democrats is that they have been hood winked by a Marxist and they don’t want to admit it…Come 2017 the crap will it the fan…By then we’ll have another dim wit for president…Hillary Clinton who will basically follow Obama’s footprints…Leaving Democrats numb and dumb founded!

      • wildjew

        My neighbor asked me recently: “But the real question
        is, what good is our military, our
        Constitution, and everything else in this country, if a person has a
        sick child and can’t get
        medical care for his son?”

        In the video above, Barack Obama answers the question.

        • Warmac9999

          There are no guarantees in life. America isn’t perfect, but it is the most perfect society ever created to advance liberty. Charities and charitable acts have always helped people with sick children and sick elderly. Unfortunately, as the statists take more money by way of taxes, the very charity that has buoyed this nation shrinks.

          • wildjew

            That’s right. Especially Christians and Jews who know their Bible, should understand charity is an individual moral obligation. It is not right of the king or the government to confiscate the people’s money and property and redistribute it as he sees fit.

          • Warmac9999

            The founders understood this distinction and warned against the nature of politicians to amass power by giving things to people that they stole from others.

          • wildjew

            “The people” (remember Thomas Jefferson believed in the good sense and sound judgment of “the people”) vote for politicians who amass power by giving things to people who elect them. Why didn’t the Founders codify something in the Constitution that would help protect us from predatory American voters?

          • auntielib

            The Constitution basically used to have what you were asking for. Suffrage USED to basically be limited to property owners – the members of the Working Class. And who qualified for suffrage was left up to the states to decide.

            Various amendments to the Constitution changed all that, and so here we are.

          • wildjew

            I asked my Obama-supporting neighbor if she considered herself a high information or a low information voter. She was honest enough to admit she is a low information voter. I wonder how many voters would not bother voting if they had to study a little U.S. history and then take a test like we do for a driver’s license. It is probably racist or anti-American to even posit the question. Had they codified something in the Constitution, there might not be all these amendments to the Constitution making voting a “right.” Maybe I missed it. I do not remember reading anything in the Constitution that requires a test for voting. Suffrage limited to property owners was custom, was it not? It’s not written in the text, is it?

          • auntielib

            Property ownership as a requirement for suffrage may have been written into various *state* laws. The Constitution left it up to the states.

            And by limiting suffrage to free men, the Constitution itself tended to limit it to property owners – husbands. Which was a good design on the part of the writers of the Constitution, since those property-owners had a vested (and profound) interest in things, since they desired to husband well their farms, their wives, their families.

            Once folks who are essentially freeloaders (welfare recipients) were allowed to vote, everything changed of course.

          • wildjew

            I think the Founders erred by leaving it to the states. That is too important an issue to leave to the states. All the Founders but Jefferson (maybe Madison?) were skeptical of the inherent good sense of the masses. They should have dealt with a problem they surely anticipated by codifying it right there in the original text.

          • WhoHasMyChange

            I’ve often said that a current events quiz with a little history thrown in should be required before the ballot comes up on the screen. Nothing complex, maybe 10 questions, heck I’ll even agree to True/False answers, just enough to test to see if the voter has knowledge of the issues and candidates they’re voting on. But then it comes down to who writes the test – the common core folks or people who have a serious grasp of the issues?

          • auntielib

            Property ownership is probably even more essential than knowledge of history, however. As I have expounded a bit below.

          • wildjew

            If what you suggest were implemented, you know millions would not bother voting but the Democrats want to make voting extremely easy and convenient. My late father used to tell me when there is a high voter turn out, conservatives and Republicans chances diminish. I have often wondered why Republicans say on election day, “Everyone needs to get out and vote!” I don’t say that.

          • Marilyn Z

            It probably won’t be too long until you can call in your vote, a la American Idol.

          • Yvonne McCastle Pinter

            Well, I DID say that….to LOTS of folks. The Republicans that SHOULD have gone to the polls said either a) Obama will not win this time. People are smart enough to not re-elect him or b) This is a “red-state”. I don’t have to vote, my vote won’t add much to the end results. So, there you have it. The ones that DID vote were low information voters, and the ones that stayed away were too lazy.

          • elmcqueen3

            They were too lazy or they didn’t really care…Most will be awakened shortly by 2017…But then again maybe they won’t…By then we might have another Democratic President…God forbid…But I’m only assuming and I could be wrong!

          • cmoore0307

            And then there were a whole slew of voters who did not like either candidate and stayed home. I know several of those. Not voting for one is the same thing as voting against the other. Plain and simple.

          • quercus454

            I wonder if they mean illegal aliens too, just like the lefties?

          • JR_atHome

            There has always been voter fraud thats going to happen. Now they have changed the boths it is not the exception for those who control them, it is the rule. We could make it verifiable However that would not be in the interest of those who make the laws.

          • quercus454

            What would be better is to make every candidate for office have to take a test on the Constitution. Maybe even a course or two before being sworn in.

          • Deborah Hallsted

            If you have the DOJ suing states because they ask for ID, they sure as H*ll won’t stand by while their knowledge is verified!

          • bleedinell

            The founders did posit the question. The 10th Amendment. The federal government has usurped the original Constitution with frivolous amendments.
            Look at the original 10 amendments and tell me if they really missed anything.

          • wildjew

            I have read fairly extensively. Can you point to some specifics that I can go back to my sources and read it? Which of the original 10 Amendments in the Bill of Rights deals with Voting? I cannot remember.

          • quercus454

            Well they did forget to allow women to vote and the issue of slavery.

          • bleedinell

            Women and blacks were not explicitly denied a vote by the Constitution. That was a State level enforcement tactic. Women were voting in many States before the 15th amendment.
            Voting was and still should be a local event, with the States governing themselves before relying on the representatives they send to Washington.

          • ArtStoneUS

            Right. We don’t vote for President, we vote for the electors who represent our State in the Electoral college. Another important change was Senators used to be appointed by State Legislatures, making them accountable directly to the States rather than running in a system designed to keep them in office in perpetuity.

          • ArtStoneUS

            The Founders designed the process to create those amendments. Once passed, they are part of the Constitution. You can’t worship the process and then reject the outcome.

          • bleedinell

            I can worship the process and disagree with the outcome. We repealed prohibition.
            If there are amendments that no longer have any bearing on our modern lives, they should be similarly repealed.
            Equal rights for women and minorities is a moral battle that’s over with. They have no need for special consideration any longer.

          • Marilyn Z

            Although our founding fathers did an excellent job of *seeing* into the future to cover all the bases….they did not see what decades of brainwashing could do to an electorate. Wish they had outlawed Marxism and Communism, but those things did not exist back then or they probably would have.

            We have too many weak and ineffectual people in this country who will always vote for the chicken in every pot type of candidate, unfortunately, and that group is growing.

          • wildjew

            Islam existed back then but they apparently did not foresee what a global threat Islam would become when it was resurgeant, otherwise don’t you think the first Amendment might have been written different? Something to the effect, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of a PEACEFUL religion (one that respects our laws and will not seek to force their religion on other people) nor prohibit the free exercise thereof.”

          • Marilyn Z

            Great point, but then you have the muslims and many world leaders claiming islam is peaceful in light of the fact that they are beheading barbarians.

          • wildjew

            I voted for Bush in 2000. If I knew he was lying to the American people about Islam being a religion of peace, why didn’t other conservatives know he was lying and SAY it? Do you remember Limbaugh, Hannity or any other talk show host say Bush was misleading the public about Islam? I can’t remember one of them calling Bush out. Why?

          • quercus454

            The left is the left and the right is the right. They both defend their guy regardless of the corruption, lying or incompetence.

          • wildjew

            Do you lean left? On this statement you and I can agree. I was sickened the way Limbaugh, Hannity and others on the right circled the wagons around Bush, even though I voted for Bush. I could see he was lying. He told the American people terrible lies about the enemy after 9/11. Unforgivable lies yet no one on the right called him on it. Now the left is doing the same with Obama.

            Sickening!

          • Marilyn Z

            I lived among them for four years in the 70s and had many great muslim friends…very kind and very generous ones, but they were moderates. The only one we knew who was more hardline was a large fella who had made the pilgrimage to Mecca and we called him Hajji for that reason. He only entered into conversation with us when we were shopping in his store, otherwise, he never entered into the conversations. While the rest of us laughed and talked, he sat back and watched. Made me uneasy, but I chalked it up to language difficulties. I had read the Koran and although it says to kill the infidels, I passed it off as I did the Old Testament and didn’t think it affected muslims any more than the Old Testament did Christians.

            It was not until they started terrorist activities that I started wondering about them, but I still didn’t really connect up the fact that this religion was one of hate and destruction and death and until a few years ago I could not bring myself to believe that these *friends* could ever be capable of hurting any of us and it really hit home when this country elected an obvious muslim who was really pushing islam and aiding and abetting terrorists that it came together and I realized these people are evil through and through.

            One of our friends, a muslim, literally escaped from Iran by walking for four days over the mountains into Turkey. He is considered an enemy of Iran and can never return, even to see his very elderly and ill parents. He escaped when he was allowed a college education in Iran and is earned his PhD in physics in Europe and now lives in Oslo.

            I can understand people not understanding how this cult works, but after what has happened the past few years and all the terrorism, I can now NOT understand why everyone does not see what they are doing. Until the Western leaders wake up, we are doomed.

          • wildjew

            Can you share what country you lived among them? Here in the U.S. or overseas? You wrote, “It was not until they started terrorist activities that I started wondering about them…” Are you talking about jihadists or your moderate Muslim friends? Did yout moderate Muslim friends understand the radicals are doing what the Qur’an and the prophet Muhammad prescribed?

            You do know in the Old Testament, wars were not against “infidels” (or unbelievers) but very evil people like what we saw in Germany in the nineteen thirties, early nineteen forties, what we see in Gaza / Hamas, etc.

          • Marilyn Z

            Sorry, it was Iran. Thought I had mentioned it.

            Our muslim friends NEVER said anything that might warn us…if they saw something coming they never mentioned it. Our friends were never terrorists…most of them escaped with their lives and some money from Iran.

            One friend left across the Persian Gulf and we were told he was being shot at and his hair turned white overnight.

            One with a store in the bazaar was being hassled because he was not muslim enough and was even thrown in prison at one time. He finally got the guy who was bothering him to lay off when he threatened to make public a picture of a Western woman dancing with him at the first one’s wedding. I was that Western woman and he said he was never hassled by that guy again. As it was, he felt unsafe there and his little girls spent their time in school chanting “Death to America” so they packed suitcases and fled to Europe.

            I was referring to the killing of non-believers as in Chronicles.

            Have to rush…off to a cruise in the a.m.

          • Jeffrey Lee Virgin

            Know anything about the Crusades ? Who the evil doers are, is very flexible.

          • wildjew

            You might be right but I don’t see Christians blowing themselves up and cutting off heads today.

          • hardwroc

            Read the old testament, and after seeing all the killing and slave taking, smiting this one, smiting that one, etc and you’ll see a bit of similarity between the two.

          • ArtStoneUS

            Unlike the Christians of Western Europe who sacked Constantinople to destroy the Greek Orthodox Church during the Second Crusade – creating a void that laid the foundation for the Ottoman Empire?

          • wildjew

            Christianity has a violent history, you are right, though one can argue Christians were not following the overwhelming tenor of Jesus’ teachings. Not so Muslims, Muhammad. Islam’s prophet was a warrior. Was your first thought after the second plan hit the South Tower on 9/11, “I wonder if followers of Pat Roberson commandeered those planes.” ?

          • elmcqueen3

            This I like!

          • Warbo

            Actually, I think they did see this coming. They way they constructed the commerce clause, I think, was to avoid this exact type of thing from happening. Unfortunately, the SCOTUS made up their own interpretation and now we’re stuck with it.

          • Jeffrey Lee Virgin

            Too many people without a chicken in their pot, will do that.

          • TIMedWork

            “Why didn’t the Founders codify something in the Constitution that would help protect us from predatory American voters?”
            Why? Because the Founders never anticipated pre-programmed voting machines that automatically register votes in excess of 100% of all registered voters, regardless of what selections are made by the actual citizen who voted. They also never anticipated votes from non-citizens.
            And machines can’t be recounted, so the vote is more like a gesture, than an actual determinant of the outcome. This is how one party can commandeer an entire government, by simply ignoring the rules and making their own.

          • quercus454

            Probably the most important thing the Founders of this country missed was the apathy that the general public has today. Back then if the vote was found to be corrupted, the offending parties would have been hung or tarred and feathered. Today we have all instances of statistical anomalies with regard to voting and the public just lets it go.

          • Jeffrey Lee Virgin

            Wasn’t Jefferson a slave owner ?

          • wildjew

            I think so. Wasn’t the patriarch Abraham a slave owner?

          • JR_atHome

            They did via amendments and the Judicial branch those stops where removed.

          • Jeffrey Dorfman

            It is a “right” because no one can be denied it. A “privilege” is something you may do until you abuse it, ie: drivers license – you must pass a drivers test to be allowed to drive on a public highway, but if you violate the traffics laws, you may lose your “privilege” to drive on a public highway. It is not a God given right like voting is, or to have freedom of speech.

          • wildjew

            You must pass the test in order to drive. You may NOT drive until you pass a written and a driving exam with a certified officer of the state. You must demonstrate a basic competency. Same goes for getting a license to fly an airplane. At least that’s the way it has been in my state. Why shouldn’t there be a simple test for voting?

          • doszap

            Especially Christians and Jews who know their Bible, should understand charity is an individual moral obligation
            They understand it, but they also MUST have a job before they can GIVE to the needy, when they themselves are doing without.

          • Steven Bannister

            Please don’t lump the Jews in with the Christians. It was Jews who INVENTED Communism in the first place (Karl Marx’s father was a rabbi) and they are the ones who put Obama in office.

          • wildjew

            You are an ignorant man. I hate ignorant men.

            Acts 2: 44 And all those who had believed were together and had all things in common; and they began selling their property and possessions and were sharing them with all, as anyone might have need.

            I challenge you to find anything like this in the law of Moses.

            Acts 4: 32And the congregation of those who believed were of one heart and soul; and not one of them claimed that anything belonging to him was his own, but all things were common property to them….

            For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales and lay them at the apostles’ feet, and they would be distributed to each as any had need.

            Are you are moron?

          • TIMedWork

            Important distinction: ‘they laid them at the Apostle’s feet’… not the feet of the politicians. Feeding your children is not equivalent to feeding the livestock; though both are necessary, one should never expect similar outcomes. And if you do, you will likely get just that.
            “Cast not your pearls before swine” Though many yhave gotten yto heaven through faith and charity, I serioouslt doubt that anyone was rewarded for being heavily taxed.

          • wildjew

            I don’t know about your family. My family did NOT practice communism or socialism. As children and young adults we had our own savings / bank accounts because we worked. We owned our own used cars, etc. I bought my first car. It was $40.00 at the used car lot back in the early nineteen seventies. We did not have things in common in our family. My late father spoke about the evils of socialism at the dinner table almost nightly. I don’t know about your father. My father hated communism and anything that smacked of communism, whether it is practiced by a family, community or nation. What did your father teach you?

          • Jeffrey Lee Virgin

            What colour is the sky in your world ?

          • KellyCraig

            A problem with a statement like the one below is, it’s sounds too much
            like parroting, the results of brain washing by the public fool system.

            First, merely that it was intended to be or once was the best, does not
            justify blindly defending it as if it had no major flaws or defects.
            For years, I saved to buy my first cabinet saw for my hobby shop. It
            improved my ability to work more than ten fold. When it had problems, I
            repaired them. When it needed maintenance, I maintained it. I was as
            proud as any could be of it. However, I never, even once, pledged
            allegiance to my tool. Nor did I worship it or make it into other than
            what it is – a tool. So it should be with that tool called the United
            States, but many blindly defend it to the point of devaluing even more
            important tools, out of which the creation issued (though both remain
            nothing more than concepts) – their own countries (i.e., The State of
            Idaho, The State of Main, etc.), and, even more important, their status
            with regard to them (we are the government and all else is merely
            representative [republic] government).

            Unfortunately, our country is ran like a democracy, but which is
            repugnant to our guaranteed republic. Only a couple people posting here,
            at most, ever took time to learn the difference. Under a democracy
            (mob rule and defined as one of the most sophisticated forms of
            socialism known to man), liberties are eroded and bastardized. A
            friend put it well: “Until it’s their ox getting gored, people will
            defend
            the lie and, aggressively, challenge the truth, even when indisputable
            and laid before
            them.”

            Sadly, one of the agendas of the system is to instill blind allegiance
            to it, which manifests in claims of superior freedoms and so forth.
            Those shouting the claims seem never inclined to stop and ask what
            freedoms are left. In times of hard, we can no longer run back to our
            land and eek out a living, unless we pay tax on it, at peril of losing
            it. To build on it requires taxes in the forms of permits. To acquire
            needed water even requires permission. To work for ourselves or someone
            else to provide necessities, like food, clothing and shelter require
            permissions. In fact, we have the highest per capita imprisonment rate
            of any country. And on it goes.

            Our liberty rights are riddled by laws some call the “the not laws,”
            because it’s illegal to not do this and to not do that (take the so
            called Affordable Health Care Act, for example) Saying things regulated
            yet remain freedoms is to admit ignorance. What the government gives, it
            can take away (e.g., liberty rights vs privileges). Approximately
            seventy percent of our incomes go to taxes, but, because they are hidden
            (e.g., gas and sin taxes, inventory taxes stores pass on, income taxes,
            sales taxes, excise taxes, property taxes, payroll taxes, etc.), people
            say it just aint so.

            A friend moved to Belize and, before passing away, used to write his
            friends still living in his former home. He marveled at the
            differences. We had advantages here, but most were in spite of
            government, not because of it. There, he was amazed at how much freedom
            he enjoyed from government intrusion.

            If people spent as much time trying to fix the defects of “our”
            government as they do blindly defending it with shouts of “[m]y country,
            right or wrong,” then it would be worth defending.

            _____________________________

            There are no guarantees in life. America isn’t perfect, but it is the
            most perfect society ever created to advance liberty. Charities and
            charitable acts have always helped people with sick children and sick
            elderly. Unfortunately, as the statists take more money by way of
            taxes, the very charity that has buoyed this nation shrinks.

          • SFCUSARMYRET

            That’s all fine and dandy. Charity starts in the home. When there is less to give to charity, there is less for charity to hand out! It goes full circle.

            Just like the government, High taxes in, low tax returns out.

            SSI is money the government depends on to run other governmental entities and programs. Now Obobo has signed into law the “MYRA”. My Retirement Account. Who is going to control this money? The same people that spend our SSI money? Spend our tax money? Give raises in the middle of a recession?

            WHO, is going to get control over these premiums and deductibles? Another government bureaucracy? Just another thief in the night. Under the color of government, Nothing to see here. Move along.

            WOW, are Obobo supporters a “special kind of stupid” or what!?

        • elmcqueen3

          God didn’t offer us a perfect world…Nor a perfect solution to all our problems…
          Some people get sick and some people die…The government can’t legislate the quality of our life nor save us from damnation…The facts are just the opposite!

          • wildjew

            Progressives would say you are a heartless Republican.

        • Skeeter McClusky

          Just ‘WHEN” have you been unable to get healthcare for your child? Try it in about 5 years when, as has happened in every other country with socialist medicine…your children will learn what it means to not get medicare care. Did you vote for Obama? Then hop into bed – you made it, lie in it.

          • wildjew

            Did I vote for Obama? That’s like asking me, did I vote for Hit ler. Why would I vote for a degenerate who sat in a racist church for twenty years, listening to anti-Semitic, racist, anti-American diatribes? Do you think I am suicidal?

          • Jeffrey Lee Virgin

            What other countries do you speak of ? Canada perhaps ? If so , you are wrong. Western European Countries ? Again you are wrong. Remember making things up, to support your argument, smells of desperation.

      • Peggy Joseph

        SHE WON’T JUST BASICALLY FOLLOW IN IT’S FOOTSTEPS…………SHE WILL UP IT AT WARP SPEED!!!

      • pghpatriot

        elmc, obviously, were many others than Dems who were and continue to be hoodwinked by obama. if it were only them he would have never been elected. IMO, here is the problem. Even though they know he is a radical and jackal, they vote for him anyway. Americans, by and large, are spoiled and have an immense sense of entitlement. Many are willing to turn their backs and ignore THE DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA because: he gives them free cell phones; more welfare; more food stamps; more free birth control; free abortion; free citizenship; free healthcare; union subsidies; farmer subsidies; subsidies for politicians; etc, etc,. As long as “I” get what I want, the hell with the rest of the nation. And then the rug gets pulled out. After he gets his way, all his lies and film-flamery screws EVERYONE! Keep your doctor? Sure! Cheaper? Absolutely! No taxes? You bet!

        That’s why the second part of your statement is as scary as it is short-sighted. As long as folks like you are sure, “….we’ll have another dim wit for president…Hillary Clinton…” we will! If YOU and ME and OTHERS do nothing to stop that from happening, your prognostication will come true. If we all don’t play an ACTIVE role in defeating the Socialist agenda and installing at least a dim-witted Repub as president, then we deserve what we get!

      • ileneright

        I don’t believe that for a moment- you can’t fool everyone, every time!

      • Jeffrey Lee Virgin

        Works just fine, for your neighbours to the north. Universal Healthcare is what civilized countries do for their people.

        • elmcqueen3

          Then why when push comes to shove for medical treatment have many Canadians crossed their border to get the required health care they need here in the US…With ObamaCare I speculate this seeking better health care in this country will come to a halt…One socialized health care not being any different than the other!

    • Abby Sapp

      Two of our most respected MDs in the area for their particular specialties (neurology and pulmonary medicine) are actually leaving the practice of medicine. One is returning to India, his home nation, and is taking his family. There are three hospitals in my area closing.

      Anyone who thinks the ACA is helpful is just naive and needs to be smacked in the face. It isn’t helping and has pulled the care we had out from under us.

      Smooth move!

      • Warmac9999

        I am telling family and friends to plan for a future where medical tourism is an essential part of life and living. Obama will destroy the healthcare system and smart people will seek options.

        • Razorgirl53

          It is basically instigation of “class warfare”. Those that have money will be able to pay out of pocket for what they need. The rest, if they have an emergency, will have to not pay the electric bill so they can get medical attention. I’m not begrudging those who have money their opportunities. If you look at it this way, what those with money have to use for health care will not be spent to add an additional employee or expand a business. Because working people will be paying more for insurance, they will have less disposable income and be less likely to buy that new car or go into debt for a house because they can’t afford the payments. This will domino.

          • hardwroc

            Instigation of class war? I’m pretty sure it’s been going on a long time, and those dying because they cannot get care would support that meme. Yes, they can get seen at an ER, at great expense, and get a pain releiver for their untreated cancer, but, that’s not really care now, is it.

      • elmcqueen3

        If you have ever been to a hospital or under medical care in a socialized country…It sucks…You’d swear you were living in the past!

        • Jeffrey Lee Virgin

          Been to Canada ? Thought not.

      • Beadbabe16

        They will ONLY understand when they get their “notice” in the mail…..this small business owner would PROBABLY gotten off cheaper to just throw them out and take a “obomination penalty”. If it SOUNDS too good to be true it MOSTLY is…..

        • Washington22

          Yes, “understanding” is coming their way……..that letter or notice in the mail will change their entire attitude……………

          • hardwroc

            My “letter” was a rebate of 25% of my yearly premiums, and a $600 per year reduction in premiums for the exact plan I’d had . Boy, I just hate it.

          • Washington22

            Either you are some special circumstance or you are a liar………….

          • ArtStoneUS

            One of the rules of the ACA is that an insurer must spend at least 80% of the premiums on providing health insurance, and rebate the difference. That was already in effect.

            Another provision is the part of the premium based on age can only be 300% of what it is at 18. Flattening the rate curve from 55-65 when serious expenses start to happen means my $900 a month HIPAA policy ($5k deductible) was pushed down to $551 a month for an unsubsidized guarantee issue Blue Cross policy. (I’m 58). My actual health care expenses for the last year was $0.00.

            I don’t look at public policy through the eyes of whether it is good for me. This law lays the foundation for regulating every aspect of your life based on the rationale that it affects insurance costs. It’s a really bad law. It was a compromise between the insurance companies and the proponents of government running it all – the worst part of both worlds.

          • Washington22

            roger that

          • Washington22

            You are either a liar or a troll or both.

          • hardwroc

            And YOU ASS UME incorrectly. I’m what people in the REAL world understand as HONEST.
            The fact that almost all examples trotted out by the right as “damaged” by the ACA have proven to be outright liars, incorrect and admittedly NOT having shopped for care on the ACA, shows my example as true. The “small business owner” on FOX, had too few employees to be effected by the law, and the others COULD have found coverage cheaper than what they reported. This exampled small business did not mention how many employees they had, or I missed it, but, the truth is most people can see an improvement in existing coverage, or on the market. It doesn’t help that many employers/insurers are hoping to make the law fail, and thusly doing all they can to create “injury” in their policies. Did you miss the ones cancelling policies and demanding people choose new ones PRIOR to the rollout of the market of ACA? Of course their policies were higher and lesser quality, trying to force people to buy their junk, before they could shop and compare. Really honest wasn’t that? Meanwhile, I suggest you get a fact, before you call people liars, and in this case you DON’T have a clue, like most TP/GOP trolls.

          • Washington22

            and again I say, LIAR

          • hardwroc

            And again I say, YOUR refusal to accept reality makes it no less real.
            Go bark at the moon, idiot. Facts do NOT support any of your assumptions. You’re like a birther, wish your version of “reality” were true, but, that makes it no less untrue.

          • rex lint

            I can guarantee that you are a liar. Not one person who ever claimed that they are saving that much has ever been able to produce evidence to support their BS claims. And no one who has signed up for Obamacare on-line has ever paid for their insurance

          • hardwroc

            Your “guarantee is worthless, as is your insult and accusation that I’m lying. Like most righties, facts won’t faze you, and so to debate you is as pointless as talking to a woodpile. But, for people with brains, I stand by my statement, $380 rebate check, and premiums reduced $50 a month. Sorry if this fails to fit your FOXnoise world bubble of propaganda, but, reality is what it is. Blue cross/Blue Shield. Deal with it.

      • hardwroc

        Everyone that thinks this is what the Dems WANTED, is failing to notice reality, that the GOP stated before the first discussion that single payer universal care, was a nonstarter, and they refused to even speak of it. So, what we did get, is the best we could, due to the actions of the GOP. You really aren’t trying to tell us the annual increases in premiums and reductions in coverage, cancellations and denials of coverage were “the good ole days”, are you? Additionally, look closer, almost every “example” of harm, by the ACA, has proven to be false, when you give a real look at them. Facts simply do not support their stories.

        • rex lint

          And yet the people this was designed to help have not signed up for it and no one and i mean no one wants a single payer system. And Everyone is being harmed by this new tax law

          • hardwroc

            rex, you truly are living in a parallel universe, if you actually believe “no one wants single payer”. The fact is, a huge part of the nation wanted it, but, the GOP called it a nonstarter, and refused to even show up to discuss IT. And thusly, the ACA was as good as we could get, with what we wanted off the table from day one. If you notice, every industialized nation we compete with has universal single payer care, and removing medical care costs from our industries overhead, would make our nation more competitive without cutting jobs and wages and all that whining and moaning from Corporate America. But, back to point one, you are attempting to rewrite history by claiming no one wanted single payer. WHY do you think, many on the left criticized Obama for the ACA? Because they wanted single payer, and not this gift to big insurance.

          • Jeffrey Lee Virgin

            Well said.

          • rex lint

            Dude you are clueless, No one wants a single payer system. Do you have the slightest what in the hell it would cost to insure nearly 318 Million people ??? It would cost Trillions a year and would kill the tax payers. plus no one wants the government in their lives from cradle to grave telling them what they can and can not do unless they are welfare cheats

    • Guest

      now when i was working the insurance plans we had everyone paid the same had the same policy and the same deductible, this is ridiculous, No one can come up with a deductible of $4000.00 that is totally ridiculous, I have heard that people are going on medicaid but I dont see how that will work, dont they have stipulations to get medicaid—It inst affordable at all———-

      • Bill Diuguid

        This is a way to get your home if you go on Medicaid the government will get it when you pass away. don’t beleave me check it out for yourself My mother in law had a 25,000 life insurance policy & we had to make arrangements & the rest goes to government.

        • elmcqueen3

          Exactly…The government doesn’t want people to inhert from their parents…They want it all..It’s almost to that point anyway!

      • pat ange

        Obama robbed Medicare blind to give it to MediCAID. He is trying to take everything from the middle class, the working tax payers and give it to the leaches on society. There are people who have aiways worked and paid taxes, they are going tru bad times with unemployment and the economy, They deserve a hand-up. That is not who obama wants to help. He is all about entitlement, this was his lifestyle before the PUPPET MASTER took him over, and took care of him. He wants to take away from anyone who has worked and give it all to his leaches. . It is called socialism. Obama has the mentality of Hitler & Stallin. Hope he joins them when he dies, they won’t be able to compare notes, notes & teleprompters will burn in hell.

    • Marilyn Z

      People who voted for this man are finding their chickens have come home to roost and they are stuck. Those who didn’t vote for him are screwed.

      Everyone had to know that to cover the poor who pay very little, if anything, for their coverage, those in the middle would have to pay much more.

      You know how you are always told never to sign a contract before you have read and understood it…..this is why Pelosi didn’t want us to read it beforehand.

    • pandainc

      How can this be??!! Surely there are no ‘death committees’!! I feel for you, Eric (seriously — no snotty remark). If your Doc voted for our bunch of Democratic yahoos, he’s getting what he asked for. Frankly, my Dr. of many years quit his decent practice in December rather than play along. Too bad, he was an asset to the community.

      • Eric Goodman

        My primary care physician also retired last year when she got the lowdown on Obamacare. My doctor that I referred to in my original post (a specialist) has admitted he made a huge mistake when voting for Obama. When I asked him why he did it the second time, he just shook his head and said as a democrat he just could not bring himself to vote for Romney, although in the 2012 election he didn’t make up his mind until the debate when Crowley jumped in for Obama and Romney, from that point forward, backed off the Benghazi issue. My doctor saw that as weakness. Hey, it’s his mind and I can’t fault him for drawing the conclusion he did; everyone is entitled to their opinion, and he does consult several news sources not aligned with one another. Every time I see him (every 90 days,) we manage to talk some politics as we go through the medical side of why I’m there (my illness is not relevant to this discussion, except about healthcare in general). He has said there is no way he will vote for Hillary and unless the Republicans put up a disaster of a candidate, he is going red, including house and senate candidates.
        I believe the most important strategy for now is to take back the Senate, keep the House and position for a Republican president in 2016. It will not be enough to take control of Congress in 2014; we need to keep it in 2016. The repubs MUST get it together over the next 3 years or our country will suffer for possibly decades.

  • susandanielspi

    I hope that everyone who voted for Obama are now happy.

    • wildjew

      I guess they did not see the racist, anti-Semitic, anti-American church Obama sat in for twenty years.

      • Steve H

        I don’t have a problem with anti-church. It sucks Trillions out of the economy and families to build buildings as monuments to themselves all along not paying any property taxes as well as the clergy getting away with not paying income taxes on housing allowances, i.e. J. Alsten gets $100k housing allowance and pays ZERO in income tax on it as well as his children, yet makes Millions in salary!

        • auntielib

          It probably also angers you that the Church built colleges and hospitals all across America, operated parochial schools which educated the public, and runs soup kitchens, eh? Or when a disaster strikes, the Salvation Army is there.

          Oddly, no groups associated with the Atheist Faith are anywhere to be seen when disaster strikes, nor have the Atheists set up colleges, hospitals, or run public schools. Well, OK, the Atheists have pretty much taken over our tax-funded public schools, I’ll grant you that.

          • Lc Goodfellow

            Oddly, Atheist have very little Faith, from what I hear. Does any one know what an Atheist really believes in ?
            We know what they don’t believe in.
            Wonder how often an Atheist says,
            ” Oh ! my God “?

          • auntielib

            Atheists do have their own particular faith belief.

            Unlike is the case with Judaism and Christianity, however, the Atheists have no scientific or historical evidence to back up their particular faith belief.

            Their faith belief is, “There is no God.”

          • Steve H

            That’s just it we do have science and history to back up our claims. Please is you have empirical evidence your god exists please share it with the world so that all of us may know which of the 5000 religions that is the right one with the right god. Atheism is not faith, unlike your mythical sky daddy, we deal with facts! Facts and faith are not the same in the real world.

          • Jeff Simon

            I always thought the true god of the atheist was the State. That is why the Left bows and scrapes and prays to the leader of their State. Watch Obama Supporters at some of Obama’s early 2008 election rallies and tell me those gimmecrat lickspittles don’t look like they are rejoicing at the Second Coming.

            How has that Hope and Change worked out for you Liberals? Pretty good if you were originally a loser with nothing going for you, I guess. Now you parasites have Government sponsors and enablers.

          • Jeffrey Lee Virgin

            Right, they have no invisible friend to turn too.

          • Steve H

            Wow, what you hear! So instead of educating yourself about others you just vomit the same crap you hear!

          • Lc Goodfellow

            Why are so many of today’s followers’
            ” …. educated beyond their
            intelligences ? ”

          • Jeffrey Lee Virgin

            Well an Atheist who acts morally, does it because he/she knows it is the right thing to do, rather than being motivated by the carrot or the stick.

          • Beadbabe16

            BOOM-YOW!! Auntielib!! I am one of those older (53) people, I have not had insurance in GOSH~~over 15 years? Have I went to the “website” that ONLY PROMISES to hold your information until someone can STEAL it, LOL!! Wouldn’t touch this mess, NOTHING is FREE….This is DESIGNED and DARN WELL Accomplishing the DESTRUCTION of the middle class. The ACA that talks about putting a “RFID” chip implant into me…..AGAINST my RELIGION! I will live and die as God sees fit…..But it is sad to see the country LITERALLY GOING down the toilet…

          • Steve H

            Actually, you’re incorrect. Atheist have been building hospitals, libraries, YES running soup kitchens, and educating the public with real science (not made up creationism), MOST of the greatest scientists (minds) in the world are atheists, we are at the disasters helping we just don’t through a make believe god on our t-shirts to show who we are, we even donate Billions of dollars a year in organizations that help the needed. So go stand on your soup box and scream your hate all you want, we Atheist are here to stay and we do have voice. As for your parochial schools you indoctrinate your youth just like al-Qaeda do in their schools, religion is what is wrong with this world, it seperates countries, people, cultures and societies, as well as preaches hate! As for groups, I guest you missed us when we were in OK helping the tornado victims. You just don’t want to admit we are part of this world and this country and have an EQUAL voice!

          • Washington22

            You aren’t and you don’t.

          • Jeffrey Lee Virgin

            Amen ! Wait until they find out about Santa too.

          • Washington22

            He forgot that part……….

        • skyway1234

          But you are probably happy that Al Gore has 200 million dollars today – and had 1.5 million when he entered the White House. Nothing like making a killing off of stupid people who will believe anything.

      • Washington22

        Nope. Although millions of us did see it, the other millions of idiots didn’t see a thing…………

        • Steve H

          Washington, you sound as ignorant as you truly are. It’s people like you that spread your religious hate around the world thinking you’re right because your god tells you so! You people are nothing but the butt of all the jokes! Show me your god, prove your god is the true god, typical, you can’t. Hey God of the Bible stick it up your f’n ass! FCK OFF JESUS! Yep still here.

          • Lc Goodfellow

            Stevie-you hear the one about the preacher on the train being bothered by the drunk who wanted to hear some of those “Thou’s and Thee’s and new church talk.The preacher looked up at the drunk, smiled and said, like many here,
            “Brother get ‘THEE’ seduced.”

    • Washington22

      I don’t actually hope that they are happy……I hope they pay……I hope they REGRET, I hope they suffer

  • Steve H

    As as a registered independent and who voted for Obama he is a disappointment when it comes to health care. He F-uped the system. Granted it needed to be overhauled not destroyed. But the health care companies also did this by not covering preexisting conditions and the dirt bags that suck off our ER’s as regular doctors offices. I now believe we need to REPEAL Obama Care.

    • twmon9816

      Like piglosi said, enjoy the suck.

    • Warmac9999

      You do realize that insurance doesn’t cover everything possible – that would cost an infinite amount of money. To blame the health care companies for living within their means, you place blame in the wrong place.

      As far as covering people with pre-existing conditions, that is an entirely different business model and it may be that only the government could do it because of the resources required. As it stands now, everyone’s healthcare has been damaged and there is more, much more, to come.

    • auntielib

      ” But the health care companies also did this by not covering preexisting conditions”
      —–
      Not quite true. Coverage was available for preexisting conditions was available, it just came with a very high premium.

      As it should.

      Your neighbor’s health premium rate shouldn’t be sky high just because YOU have a “preexisting condition”, you see.

      • Beadbabe16

        Look…..ACA….IF you are “overweight” you have a year to “get it together”….if you smoke…..you are charged for it, and told YOU CAN QUIT…..OF COURSE someone who smokes HAS A GREATER CHANCE to get LUNG CANCER…..DUH!!

      • Jeffrey Lee Virgin

        Right if you are wealthy and healthy, why should you subsidize the sick and the poor. Jesus wouldn’t want that.

    • Ohbama Binlyin

      You do realize that a high percentage of those you termed “dirt bags” are those in this country illegally, don’t you?

      Pre-existing conditions were covered by insurance companies previous to the intervention of your god 0bama. There were certain conditions applied so it was not impossible for a person with some form of pre-existing condition to receive coverage from healthcare insurance companies. Perhaps you should better inform yourself before posting the lies, propaganda, and disinformation fed you by your political masters. Think for yourself instead of letting your political masters put words in your mouth.

      • Beadbabe16

        DATS RIGHT!!!

      • Steve H

        Of course I know that, just like the getto trash and rednecks that suck off the system need to go also.

        • Ohbama Binlyin

          Wow! You are so full of hate and anger it’s amazing you still are able to walk and talk. Time to calm down and get yourself under control!

    • Jamie Huff

      Not only should Obamacare be repealed, Obama should be impeached. His governance has pushed America closer to bankruptcy. He lied to the American people over and over about Obamacare and numerous other things. Steve, why did you vote for Obama after four years of declining economic numbers? Was it because of the lies he told about the Affordable Care Act? Just curious.

      • Beadbabe16

        Look here people…..we haven’t even talked about the “INSTALLATION” of members of the Muslim Brotherhood into “high places” throughout the “regime”……this should TERRIFY EVERYONE who is NOT a TERRORIST!!

    • Beadbabe16

      Those DIRTBAGS that SUCK off of our country’s ERS are the VERY SAME “ILLEGALS” that you libs want to GIVE the WORLD too…..Well, WAKE UP they are TAKING it….WHETHER you like it or not….and you want to give them foodstamps, medical, COLLEGE, VOTING RIGHTS!!, ETC, etc…..GO into an ER sometime in RURAL, BUMFUCCC, USA, and you will find it filled with ~~ILLEGALS

      • Beadbabe16

        Oh ….and since they are not “CITIZENS” they have NO TAX to pay except for local sales tax……I see them in lines at the post office sending their packages home to their families ~all or mostly I am guessing on the taxpayer’s dime….

    • Razorgirl53

      The not covering pre-existing conditions is BS. My son had major allergies and asthma when growing up. He was covered from the start. When moving to another part of the country for a new job, the insurance ALWAYS covered him because he was covered previously. And both our children remained on our insurance until they graduated from college.

  • faceshaker

    Why does BizPak continue to shift the blame from private, for-profit insurance behemoths angry at the government for cutting-off their little golden ring on the merry-go-round–when in actuality, those very infirm firms are guilty of pumping-up prices to draw ire and frustration from people barely able to survive financially as it is, mainly because all the profiteers demand more and more for themselves and less and less for the remainder of us?

    Sorry, gulls, pigeons, crows and buzzards, I am not buying that line, one better suited to a carnival barker’s con-game speechifying than actual, balanced and factual news.

    That sort of attitude toward the federal government is both shameful and unnecessary, more a matter of attitude than anything objective here from so-called journalists who seem to think spin creates reality. I have news for you:

    Spin does not create reality. All you are doing is pulling a ski mask onto people on the beach–from behind. That is quite ugly, inimical to unity in the republic and literally a symptom of the moral cynicism now currently pervading the so-called “right wing alterna-media”–which is really little more than propaganda.

    If you don’t like the ACA, why broadcast your ire? What exactly has anyone in the conservative movement done to hedge-in reckless price inflation bent by money-drunkards intent upon destroying the federal government and then re-making it into their spin-is-reality likeness more amenable to a totalitarian state than an actual democracy.

    Uber-fail here, people. You are being stoked like chimneys to become smoking angry. Turn directly to the instrumentalities actually pumping-up both monthly premiums and pumping profit directly out of your wallets.

    Instead of blaming Obama, the ACA and the federal government, why not move right on in on the actual sources of the problem making your editorial staff whine like little babies today?

    It’s either that–or go back to your crib, don’t try to climb over the wooden bars until mommy decides it’s time for you to have your bottle.

    Babies.

    • Joel Farnham

      Most people need to get mad before they will do anything. This makes them mad. Your precious has screwed most people. They are now mad. They will do something. Hopefully it is only at the voting booth. People like you make them even madder. Why are you stoking the fires?

      • Beadbabe16

        That right there is an EXAMPLE of an obama -butt-licker! This is perfect example of HOW we got to ~~HERE!

    • Count Leupold von Licktenstein

      You are truly delusional. What’s your definition of ‘an actual democracy’ when Obama has made it clear that he will try to executive action his way around Congress? Is that democracy? Say what you want about the old healthcare system. All I know is for my family of four I had no deductible and paid $267/month for coverage. With the King’s new plan, I have to pay $646/month and get a $12,700 deductible. I think I’m justified in getting angry over that and I don’t think it’s BizPac’s fault.

      • Beadbabe16

        And Count……”he” that you are speaking to…..is NOT WORTH our PRECIOUS time, it is better to IGNORE these trolls….

    • auntielib

      “Why does BizPak continue to shift the blame from private, for-profit insurance behemoths”
      —–
      Because those private, for-profit insurance companies aren’t to blame, that’s why.

      And they never were.

      Obama merely lied (again) by CLAIMING they were.

    • Ohbama Binlyin

      The rage you of the extreme left-wing party of death display 24/7 is amazing! You demonize those who make a profit, then turn around and whine and cry and complain about the unemployed. For once I would love to see one of you extreme left-wing party of death members explain how there could possibly be full employment in America today without corporate and other business profits! You have no answers, only anger and rage and of course class envy.

      You speak of people whining like babies, yet you of the extreme left wing party of death are constantly whining about people who may have a little more financially and otherwise than you. You believe everyone should be brought down to your same deranged and perverse level so that we can all live in misery just as you live in misery. Time for you to crawl back in your crib, little child, and stick that pacifier in your mouth to prevent the diarrhea you are vomiting up on this comment board.

    • Jamie Huff

      I am curious to know exactly what you think Barack Hussein Obama has done to make the situation better for the American working man? His intent all along was to level the playing field but what people didn’t foresee was that he had no intention of making the poor man richer. He wants to make the “rich” man poorer. You see face shaker because of years of government handouts the Democrats have created a permanent underclass, always holding their hands out for more. The people actually working are being bled dry. That’s the nature of socialism. The ultra rich who these mindless liberals supposedly want to hurt by making them pay their “fair share” don’t care because they are so rich that they can afford to pay for healthcare no matter how expensive it gets. You know people like Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi. All millionaires since they became “public officials”. Your president lied to the American people about this law over and over again. He should be impeached and imprisoned in a federal penitentiary. And people like you who voted for him should be made to pay triple to cover the costs of this “affordable” care act!

      • Beadbabe16

        I used to clean houses for mostly people that I would call upper middle, but a few ~I~ would call “rich” and I DID learn this……the “HAVES” ~UNDERSTAND~ that for them to REMAIN~ the HAVES ~~~ there MUST be a bunch of HAVE-NOTS!! They KNOW THIS…..

        • Lc Goodfellow

          The ‘Rich’ didn’t get rich by
          stealing iPads from the poor.

    • Lc Goodfellow

      This user’s activity is private.
      “Now isn’t that special ? ”

      “Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”
      ” .. have you checked for diaper rash …? “

    • Jeff Simon

      It is ironic when a liberal parasite starts identifying conservatives as “babies”. They are usually cranky because they need their diapers changed, have their hands in your pocket reaching for your wallet and have to spit out a Government nipple to do it… but it IS ironic.

    • obamathemarxist

      Health Insurance companies profits are not high, the industry wide average was 3.3% before Obamacare. Health Insurance is highly regulated at the State level, that was the reason for differences in costs from state to state. In Florida where I live, the Mental Health industry lobbied and got a law passed requiring all policies have Mental Health Coverage resulting in Premium Increases for everyone. Law suits cause Doctors to practice defensive medicine, increasing costs. Illegals using our healthcare system without paying increases our costs. All of these problems are because Democrats could care less.

      • faceshaker

        When the CEOs of CIGNA, United Health and many, many other for-profit “outfits” find out it’s not so frightening to live in a shotgun shack, I’ll begin to believe what you say.

  • durabo

    In any other [free] country, Zero would have been overthrown and ridden out of town on a rail – or worse. But we Americans are nutless wonders, unwilling to get rid of our East African dictator.

    • Jeff Simon

      White Liberal Guilt was a great invention, wasn’t it? Who would’ve thought you could get white people to vote against their own best interests and that of their families? I salute Sal Alinsky for comprehending exactly how stupid Americans are.

      • Marilyn Z

        I would rather kick him in the butt. We are not only a stupid people, but we have become a very lazy people.

        As long as there are those out there whose only concern is what they can get by not working for it, we are going to have these problems. We can only pray for a leader who sees that we are not doing anyone a favor by this and works to correct it.

        There are plenty of jobs I can think of that are not being done and could be done by those on the dole in exchange for their compensation, but they have no work ethic and don’t want one either.

  • Bobcat Booth

    This is such a racket the only one’s that are profiting from this are the insurance companies ,and the Doctors .Obama ,is the worst thing for America he needs to resign from office.. We are in the worse shape in the past 40 years in America and he is trying to ruin the work force and bring in more illegal aliens to pad democratic voting ..We need to repeal Obummer dont care Act now …

    • auntielib

      Uh, no. It’s not the insurance companies’ fault.

      • Bobcat Booth

        they are the ones who will profit from this ,that was my statement ,its fucking Obamas Fault i know this .

        • auntielib

          Sorry, but most of us here categorically reject your Marxist ideology and your personal belief that profit is “bad”.

          You would probably find yourself in the company of more people who think like you if you could find a Marxist-based discussion forum somewhere, Bobcat.

          Here you will only find yourself repeatedly mocked, as you should be.

          • Bobcat Booth

            your boot licking and ass kissing Obama supporters make me sick to my stomach.you along with him are the Downfall of America ,you should change your avatar to Obamas ass

          • auntielib

            Me an “Obama supporter”? Surely you jest, Bobcat.

            As I said, you will probably be happier at some pro-Marxist discussion forum where they will agree with your “profit is evil” thesis. Here, we do not share that Marxist ideology of yours, you see.

          • obamathemarxist

            Calm down, you both are letting emotions dictate your thoughts, I read Bobcats prior posts and can see he is not an Obama supporter, as I can see that you are not. Sorry, I’m just playing a peacekeeper role here. One of our problems is Conservatives are infighting to much and not uniting.

      • obamathemarxist

        Your being just a little to harsh towards Bobcat, he doesn’t say it was the Insurance companies fault, only that they will profit from the law. The law was written in such a way to fool the Insurance Companies into supporting it. Remember it was Insurance Company opposition to Hillarycare in 1992 that sank the bill.

        • auntielib

          Then why did Bobcat even mention the fact that insurance companies operate at a profit? What was his point??

      • Beadbabe16

        “THEY” did HELP “CRAFT” the ACA bill…..and it DOES (in those 2500+ pgs) say that in CASE of MONETARY LOSS, the American TAXPAYERS will PAY them BACK!! READ the BILL….So yes, they are COMPLICIT to a DEGREE of course they are!

    • Beadbabe16

      the DOCTORS aren’t “profiting” from this……they are QUITTING…..in the DROVES……H~O~S~P~I~T~A~L~S are closing…..This would not be happening if they were still “making money”…..and I agree with you on everything else. This is a SOCIALIST TAKEOVER….oblama is a SOCIALIST….and any socialist worth his salt knows what comes next…..that is “WHY” the “BUILD-UP” of his little DHS /NSA ARMY…and when they take our guns….it is over but the CRYING! That will be most of the “poor” left wing nuts who “BELIEVED” his BU11SHITTTT……the Conservatives and Christians and PATRIOTS will be DEAD!! and they will pull their gun LITERALLY from our COLD DEAD HANDS……You left wing nutjobs, you “USEFUL IDIOTS” as Vladimir Lenin called them WILL have OUTLIVED your “usefulness”…..but YOU should have read barry’s book….”IF the political winds change…..I will “side” with the Muslims…..” The AUDACITY of HOPE, Pg. 262…..and it REALLY DOES mean what it says, it is NOT “TAKEN” out of context~ READ the ACTIONS…..they SPEAK louder than words…

  • gvw3

    Of course the cost will go up. The workers now have to pay for all the freeloaders who get it free. I wonder if Obama gets a commision on this and all the gun sales he has promoted.

  • Mex Seiko

    Check out The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn. This is personal and individual ruin and further national economy downfall. America must buy stuff to support the economy. What are you going to purchase when your money is tied up in healthcare and taxes? Business closing and more unemployment will increase. 2014 will be a very punishing year for America. The Punisher in Chief is in tha House.

  • Anthony

    This is what all you liberal fucktards wanted. Rob the many to support the ones that refuse to help themselves with things like getting a job.

    • George

      In defense of the millions out of work, who are also in danger of losing their unemployment benefits, and the MANY who have already lost theirs,..what jobs?
      But don’t get me wrong,.. i am in NO WAY defending this SHAM being sold as “affordable”

      • Beadbabe16

        It is TRUE….NAAFTA…….Not good……When Mitt Romney talked in the 2nd debate Jeep sending jobs to China…..they called him a LIAR, but if you had just TURNED the channel or did a TINY bit of INVESTIGATION you would have LEARNED that he was speaking of NEW PLANT, NEW JOBS in China…..when it is TOO EXPENSIVE to OPERATE here by way of TAXES and REGULATIONS they TAKE their J~O~B~S ELSEWHERE!! It has been building for many years….

        • auntielib

          Yep. The EPA, the whackjob “environmentalists” (green on the outside, red on the inside), and the greedy unions all play a HUGE role in having driven manufacturing out of the country.

  • Terry Williams

    Your president is screwing you by getting to use the ACA as a tax against you and you all are laying down for it. Refuse the ACA and it will fail on its own weight. Do not allow yourself to be used and abused by this Tyrant, he is not a king and we are not his subjects.

    • Beadbabe16

      My son told me…..but Mom, You would go onto the Medicare rolls…..and I told him, SORRY ~but thank you ~~NO!! No chip implant for me…..I will die as God intended, they can take their healthcare straight to he11 with the devil who rode in with it…..