Senate Dems deny last-ditch effort to restore military pensions; illegals’ tax refunds win out

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., blocked a last-ditch effort by Republicans Thursday to restore full military pensions. Their proposal would have been paid for by denying tax credits to undocumented immigrants.

Pensions to retired and disabled veterans were cut last month in a budget compromise hammered out by Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wa., and Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., according to the Washington Free Beacon.

Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., attempted to restore the pensions in the form of an amendment to a bill to extend long-term unemployment benefits. It would have been financed by requiring anyone claiming the Child Tax Credit to have a valid Social Security number, effectively denying the credits to illegal immigrants.

The Free Beacon reported:

Ayotte’s office said the bill would save approximately $20 billion over 10 years.

According to the Treasury Inspector General for the Tax Administration (TIGTA), the refund provides incentives for aliens to enter the country illegally and cost taxpayers $4.2 billion alone in fraudulent payments in 2010.

“The investigations of this tax refund found that they were claiming it for people who were, No.1, not authorized to work in this country, and secondly, for children that may not even exist,” Ayotte said in a floor speech.

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Sen. Barbara Boxer: “fiddling while Rome burns.” Photo credit: downtrend.com

Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., called Ayotte’s efforts to require undocumented immigrants to present valid Social Security numbers — referred to as SSNs — nothing more than “partisan” politics.

“Talk about fiddling while Rome burns,” Boxer said, according to the Free Beacon. “If you are one of the 1.3 million people in this country—222,000 in my state—whose house is burning down because they’re going to lose the safety net of $300 a week to feed their families, to take care of their kids, to heat their homes, and my colleague talks about letters [SSN]?”

Ayotte’s amendment failed by a 42-54 vote, with Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.V., the single Democrat voting with the GOP.

“It’s a sad day when a common-sense amendment to responsibly pay for legislation that helps struggling Americans, repeals unfair military retirement benefits and reduces the deficit can’t even get a vote in the Senate,” Ayotte said in a statement, the Free Beacon reported. “We need to be able to have votes on behalf of our states, on behalf of the American people, and if we disagree, let’s vote them down. I don’t see what the issue is there, unless you’re worried that it’s going to pass because it just makes too much sense.”

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  • EliseR

    Michael, please check your facts. The pension cuts do not apply to disabled vets. The cuts will raise pensions for working age vets (under age 62) by 1 percent less than they previously would have. Vets age 62 and older are not subject to the cuts.

    Also, the prime defender of this action is staunch conservative Paul Ryan.

    • gmhunt4

      Ryan is NOT a “staunch” conservative, he is a moderate. Illegalls should NOT be getting any government tax credits, they should be being deported……..

      • Mileaway

        Ryan is a liberal. He has always said he was and although he expresses conservative measures, he is a liberal.

        • Doug

          Perspective is fascinating. In three posta Ryan went from Conservative to Moderate to Liberal.

          • obadiahlynch

            Idiot cubed= idiot cubed.

        • lovinspoonful

          Paul Ryan is a republican.

          • BearNJ

            Ryan is a Rino. He support of big-spending programs to enlarge the role of the federal government. Ryan voted for all of the big-ticket, budget-busting
            items of the administration of President George W. Bush, including the No Child Left Behind Act and the prescription drug benefit Medicare Part D, which was the largest expansion of the welfare state since the Great Society. Ryan voted to create the new Department of Homeland Security, including the Transportation Security Administration.

            He voted for the Troubled Assets Relief Program that bailed out the “too big to fail” financial institutions and inspired the Tea Party rebellion against big government and “crony capitalism.” He backed the auto bailout that turned GM into “Government Motors and cost us billions In addition as budget director he promotes budgets that balance in 25 years and then 10 years. He is not serious and is a liberal like his Domocratic wife. He worked for Jack Kemp. That were the association as a conservative ends.

          • lildebrarae

            He’s a ‘registered’ Republican. But his voting record isn’t.

            http://ontheissues.org/Paul_Ryan.htm

            He’s a flat out Rino …aka Republican in Name only… Just like John Huntsman who worked at one time for Obama.

          • Mykal Faircloth

            He’s proving himself to be a RINO.

      • lildebrarae

        A ‘moderate’? I don’t think so! I agree with @Mileaway:disqus. He’s a LIBERAL!

        • curmudgeon

          Can anyone explain the difference between a ‘moderate’ and a ‘liberal’? One just has a less detrimental connotation. I prefer to think of it as an evolution from liberal to progressive to democRAT to socialist to full blown Communist. What’s a label other than something for the extreme left wing to hide behind?

          • lildebrarae

            In ‘truth’ there is no difference. Your post is ‘Spot On’!

            Thank you for your ‘insight’.

      • Rubygirl

        I am AMAZED at the people who support giving all these benefits to “illegals”. They broke the law to get here and now they are getting better benefits than our Veterans and Seniors!!!

      • GENARO

        TAX CREDITS IS FOR THE KIDS THAT BORN IN AMERICA SO LIKE IT OR NOT THEY ARE AMERICANS AS UR FAMILY….

        • gmhunt4

          NO they are NOT……you along with ALL liberals and RINO’s are perverting the Constitution. Read it, do NOT read into it,

    • RIDGERUNNER29

      perhaps a course in comprehensive reading should be in your future Elise?The article reads “pensions to retired and disabled veterans were cut last month” !!!!! Ryan,and you can believe this or not,will pay a heavy price for his support as will every Democrat negatively voting on this issue.You leftists have finally incensed the wrong people,those who know how to take back this country,one way or the other.Bet on it honey !!!!

      • Richard F

        Now you listen to Elise sweetie, she gets her news from other sources besides Michael, Fox & Rush. Now when you tell me you don’t watch the other two outlets get back with us, otherwise back off. Oh and Raul Ryan 2016 LOL

        • Burn_the_Witch

          You’re the only one talking about Michael, Fox, and Rush there Tiger. You could have saved yourself some time by saying “I don’t really have anything intelligent to say.”

        • quillerm

          Soros tells the Associated Press what to report, then MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, and the NYT repeat the story. The left wing media is a copy and paste operation subservient to Obama and Hillary. If you want the truth, look elsewhere.

          • Carolyn Flair

            you are exactly right

        • Mr Keith Charles Johnson

          Here you go, you low information voter you, NOT Michael, Fox Or Rush., and what do you have against the truth? http://freebeacon.com/disabled-military-retirees-not-exempt-from-pension-cuts-in-budget-deal/

          • lovinspoonful

            RichardF and EliseR are good buddies and they think alike. “Whatever you say is wrong and you’re stupid and hateful and you don’t know what you are talking about.” Of course, they insult and call names but to them that is all right. Typical liberals.

          • lildebrarae

            I have often wondered if RichardF, and EliseR were one and the same. When ever I engage the both of them at the same time …it’s like talking to One and only One person!

          • raffaelecafagna

            It was reported on Army.com ; Secretary Hagel started this mess supporting cuts to military ; Hagel makes $ 200.000 ; Ryan 179.000 and cutting my disability but ki###
            a## to Illegals at 24 Billion

          • curmudgeon

            Forgive them. Think of all the abuse they took for riding the short bus to school. They are just trying to get revenge on those multitudes on the right who are so far more intelligent.

        • Dave Kube

          pathetic…

        • RIDGERUNNER29

          Richard,I have to ask,did your parents have any children that lived???

        • lildebrarae

          Yeah, our dear Elise gets her info from OFA, who has been proven wrong more times than the Huffington Post, and Wikipedia combined …’sweetie’.

          And your can take your liberal Paul Ryan ticket and put it where the sun does not shine! “LOL”

      • EliseR

        The original bill did not exempt disabled vets. It was changed. Bizpac doesn’t want you to know the truth to fuel your hatred.

        • Richard F

          EXACTLY!!! This venue does not do anything to keep the citizens of the UNITED States together. I would not be surprised that this is funded by the Koch brothers.

          • Burn_the_Witch

            10 points for mention of the Koch brothers and 10 for the mention of Fox News. Now all you have to do to earn your OFA check is say some other such mindless comment like “TEA Party Terrorist” and you’ll be able to afford your cable bill for the month..

          • Richard F

            You mean Teabilly rednecks like you that fly around on brooms that believe still in witches. That use the words such as “staunch”, patriot, pilgrim, constitution, 2nd amendment, ReaGone, Get’s mad when the word “Bush” come up! and wraps themselves up with the American flag, claim to be christian and belongs to the party of GOPofNOCARES. Did I cover it Witch with a B?

          • Burn_the_Witch

            Still showing that you can’t grasp what my name is actually talking about.

            I take it you’re used to embarrassing yourself.

          • Richard F

            Same way to my last name when it comes to you!?! wink wink

          • Burn_the_Witch

            Keep trying Tiger, you’ll get the hang of the internet someday.

          • Richard F

            Now don’t turn into a big C.. hmmkay

          • Burn_the_Witch

            Oh sweetie, you’re trying so hard. One of these days you’ll get the bigger checks from MMFA, but you really need to up your game.

          • Richard F

            Frustrated old lady!?! :)

          • Burn_the_Witch

            Still having trouble I see.

          • Dave Kube

            more immature…

          • Dave Kube

            immature…

          • lildebrarae

            “Now don’t turn into a big C… hmmmkay”

            That would be you Elise …OOOPS I mean RichardF.

          • Dave Kube

            foolhardy…

          • Richard F

            I give too RepTurds about what you think it should be in code.

          • Burn_the_Witch

            Try making sense. Or maybe English.

          • Dave Kube

            idiocy…

          • JHorvathJr

            You don’t care but you’re here. So if exhange of ideas isn’t your purpose why are you here? Oh. Just another liberal looking for an idea.

          • lildebrarae

            Really Elise, can’t you come up with anything better than that?

          • lovinspoonful

            He is a typical libtard. H has no valid point to make, so out come the insults, the rudeness and the name-callling and the ignorance. Just a normal non-thinking sheeple.

          • curmudgeon

            Mrs. Clinton?

          • Jerry

            I am one of those too.

          • IHateLibs

            Your Idiot posts shows just how STUPID your LIB/DEM ASS . Really IS ya know . >>> USN RETIRED 100% Disabled NAM ERA VET

          • RadarRecon

            Would you two please take it outside?

          • curmudgeon

            Bless you for your service. Comrade from 1965-1969. How the heck can a veteran ever support a democRAT politician.

          • Dave Kube

            pathetic…

          • NDXUFan

            George W. Bush was not now, nor was he ever a conservative.

          • Kathy

            Maybe not but GWB served in the Coast Guard and the newscaster renown Dan Rather (could not stand this biased non neutral anchor man) was fired from CBS for forging documents that reportedly showed some kind of black mark on his Coast Guard service. I think that all news outlets now are so politicized the neutral reporting of all news is forever biased and incomplete based on that particular reporters bias. And in many ways reporting the news has always been that way but the talking heads are now spinning and making heads spin into a perpetual state of confusion.

          • Kathy

            Funn y that I joined in the “conversation” or rather “strange” dialogue and yet I cannot vote down on certain pro and con dialogue.

          • NDXUFan

            W served in the Air National Guard, Kathy.

          • Major

            Umm…GWB? Does the Coast Guard have F105′s to fly? Cause thats what 43 was checked out in and had over 500 hours in them too. One very bad aZZ jet.

          • Kathy

            Only know that Dan Rather an obnoxious news anchorman got fired for forging documents trying to smear GWB the first time he ran for president. I always disliked Dan Rather for his biased reporting. So I was happy he was caught and fired.

          • shiftdnb

            W was in the Air National Guard, not Coast Guard

          • lildebrarae

            You are truly a pathetic little boy. Time to go back to your OFA handlers and tell them ‘you’ have been ‘made’ yet again.

            Please tell OFA to send a ‘adult’ who actually knows how to navigate a website instead of posting a bunch of mindless drivel!

          • lovinspoonful

            You and EliseR make such a lovely pair. You are both nuts. Then leave the venue. You would probably prefer it be funded by George Soros.

          • Dave Kube

            birds of a feather…

          • JHorvathJr

            Soros?

          • lildebrarae

            Again, the link to where the bill was ‘changed’ does not exist. Because Richard ‘dear’ the bill was not changed.

            Both you, and Elise are ‘lying’ yet again.

          • http://www.Remember1986.com/ Brandy Baron

            Dems do nothing to keep this country together. That’s why they would rather see illegals who don’t belong in our country get money than vets who not only belong here but have put their lives on the line to serve our country.

          • curmudgeon

            And why should it. Most of us here are self reliant, self starters, successful and have nothing whatsoever in common with you government dependent members of the democRAT flock of sheeple.

        • Dave Kube

          parroting…

        • JHorvathJr

          NO you are lying as do all Democarps including the Liear in Chief. You can’t help it because liberals only learn name-calling and lying. No reasoning skills, no logic, no long term historical memory. You guys just make it up as you go. Or with your herd instincy you merely repeat the party line.

        • lovinspoonful

          Why do you put down Bizpac allthe time.l I would believe them before I would believe you. If you don’t like bizpac then get off here and take your boy clone with you.

        • lildebrarae

          Please post the LINK to where the bill was changed?

          Oh that’s right …that ‘link’ doesn’t exist as Elise you shooting from the hip, yet again.

        • raffaelecafagna

          go back to your cave and stay there ; you are uninformed and confused ; check it on Army.com and see what Secretary Hagel says . I am a disabled Vet . that kept your ass Free and you don`t have a clue of what you are saying .Buzz Off

          • Major

            Thanks for the service, Sir.

          • raffaelecafagna

            Thank you Sir ; may the Lord and Jesus keep you and your family safe .

        • curmudgeon

          It’s not hate as practiced by you on the left. Think of it as compassion for you liberals who are not very bright, but walk among us and look like normal people until you open your mouths and bless us with your self promoted intelligence.

      • IHateLibs

        It wont do any good

      • Carolyn Flair

        Obviously Elise hears only news from the liberal left.

    • Burn_the_Witch

      Speaking of getting one’s facts straight – Ryan is hardly a staunch conservative.

      • Richard F

        Ryan 2016!!! Yay!!!

        • Burn_the_Witch

          More exclamation points will lend to your credibility.

          • Richard F

            Can I borrow your broom!!!!???!!! :)

          • Burn_the_Witch

            Wow, you can’t even wrap that big ol’ brain around the reference of my name?

            Is it because you don’t read well, or just aren’t very bright?

          • Richard F
          • Burn_the_Witch

            Did you link a youtube video that explains why you’re not very bright?

            I hope not, because I’m not really concerned enough to watch it.

          • Richard F

            Oh now c’mon I spit on people with more character than you Witch.

          • Burn_the_Witch

            Keep trying this internet bada$$ thing. The internet dumba$$ thing wasn’t working out too well.

          • Richard F

            When you go by the facts you can’t go wrong.

          • Burn_the_Witch

            That’s why you’ve embarrassed yourself up and down the thread.

          • Dave Kube

            present some…

          • lildebrarae

            Then please post the links to your accusation EliseR that the bill was changed and disabled vets didn’t have their pension cut.

            Oh that’s right EliseR, it doesn’t exist …because it didn’t happen.

            All you have are lies. And that is why troll, you have absolutely no credibility whatsoever.

          • Dave Kube

            egregous…

          • JHorvathJr

            Childish “debate” tactics, Ricky Fu, simply reflect the unreasonable/unreasoned liberal positions. Go back to reading your party line, I’m sure there’s a new lie for you to memorize.

          • lildebrarae

            Pathetic. But then EliseR … OOOPS I mean RIchardF you’d know what it is to be without any Character, ethics, or morality.

          • Dave Kube

            ultra ridiculous…

          • lildebrarae

            Both, I think!

          • Dave Kube

            foolish…

          • NoCrud

            That’s what he needs… Now he may be known as The Exclamation Punque.

        • Dave Kube

          silly…

        • JHorvathJr

          Libs love it when their no choice allowed to the people. McCain-Obama Romney-Obama. If they had their way there would be no elections. Oh yeah, that’s what ACORN is about.

        • lildebrarae

          Spoken like a true liberal troll, trying to manipulate the process.

          According to ontheissues.org … Ryan is a piece of liberal garbage … just like you and your sock!

          http://ontheissues.org/Paul_Ryan.htm

          Time for you to go back under the bridge where you belong.

    • Jerry

      No one believes you Elise. You still hold the record for the most down votes on BPR.

      • EliseR

        Check ABC news.

        • Jerry

          No one believes them either.

          • EliseR

            Of course. You are so blinded by hate you refuse to acknowledge facts.

          • Jerry

            Ahhh, play the hate card again.

          • EliseR

            Hate is the only thing you understand.

          • Jerry

            I only hate what is evil and stupid and unjust.

          • NoCrud

            EliseR is trying to Alinsky you.

          • Dave Kube

            mirror mirror….

          • mac12sam12

            Hate and racism, the liberal white flag of surrender.

          • Burn_the_Witch

            Stop projecting. It’s rude in the company of your betters.

          • Richard F

            Projecting the truth,, get your head out of the FOX hole, we know it give you a RUSH but you will smell better. LOL

          • Burn_the_Witch

            Dude, seriously, please tell me you didn’t think that was clever.

          • NoCrud

            You are dealing with a Democrat…

            Dorothy: “How can you talk if you don’t have a brain?”
            Tin Man: “I’m a Democrat.”

          • Dave Kube

            childish…

          • lovinspoonful

            ABC does not give the facts any more than NBC or CBS or MSNBC – they are liberal stations who omit giving the news ore than they give news.

          • Richard F

            What do you watch? Please humor us!?! LOL

          • lovinspoonful

            I don’t watch stations that don’t give accurate news, or do not report the news at all. I don’t believe I was rude and insulting to you,. What makes you think you are justified in being rude and insulting to me? Although that seems to be the theme in this forum

          • Richard F

            Well thank you for your justification on what news outlet you watch (nothing) Then that gives you no authority to question any of the other new outlets. Please don’t flip oh pitty me of abuse.. really.

          • Dave Kube

            u either…

          • Dave Kube

            actual conversation?…miracle….

          • Doug

            Only Al Jazeera tells the whole truth. Or is it Al Jolson?

          • NoCrud

            It sure isn’t Al Gorequin.

          • Dave Kube

            kettle meet black…

          • lildebrarae

            Post the facts RichardF (OOPS) i mean EliseR that you ‘say’ exist.

            Here is what many liberals have told me on this site and on many others …

            “No links …plus…No Proof… plus.. no evidence of any kind …equals .. No credibility.. Equals…YOU”

            The reason why no one believes you RichardF (OOPS) I mean EliseR … is that you never ‘prove’ the bull crap you ‘post’.

        • lovinspoonful

          You mean the liberal left station that Obama has in his pocket? ROFLMAO!

        • DILIGAF

          Aren’t these the same news outlets that reported, every night for over a week, on the science team being stuck in the ice but failed to mention even once that their primary mission was a “global warming” study? So that’s where you get your information? Sure explains a lot.

          • Richard F

            ??? Does Edward Snowden report to you from Russia?? Get real.

          • DILIGAF

            uhhh, that doesn’t even make any sense. Liberalism really does kill brain cells you know.

          • NoCrud

            Richart F does not have to make sense. He has nothing to say but says it, anyway.

            Apparently he gets paid for comments that call for others to comment even if they show how stupid he is. He is a Troll.

          • butterflyinoh

            Liberalism is that brain disease where their wiring is twisted and fried; can’t hold a civil conversation with people opposing their views; resorts to name calling, blame it on Bush or racism. Low Info voters who sit back and make a career living off the taxpayers dollar to get their freebies. NO COMPREHENSION of what they’re reading or what is happening to this country under this Administration; just following their party leaders straight into the abyss of communism. Taught to you by the public school indoctrination system provided by the federal government.

          • http://www.Remember1986.com/ Brandy Baron

            Hmmm, I always thought that the brain cells had to be dead to become a liberal. Something to ponder… which comes first, the liberal or the dead brain?

          • Dave Kube

            or u?…

        • Dave Kube

          laffable…

        • mac12sam12

          ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC CNN. Strong liberal slant.

        • lildebrarae

          Why should ‘he’ have to do ‘your’ work for you?

          Again it’s upon ‘you’ to post the ‘evidence’ proving your own bull!

          Or is it that …the ‘link’ you say is on Abc news doesn’t exist?

      • Richard F

        Oh it comes to down votes on this right wing media. Get real.

        • Jerry

          At least we don’t throw you libtards off for your infernal ways. I went to The raw story and was denied permission to post after my second article. Yea your party of the tolerant can’t take the facts.

        • Dave Kube

          democratic?…smh…

    • DNS

      So every year the retired service member under 62 has the value of his retirement degraded and falls further behind inflation year after year after year? You are saying “so what?” “SO WHAT” ? Plus, as of yesterday, the same rule most certainly did apply to **disability retirement**. Also, does the fact that Paul Ryan is involved mean that thinking people are required to simply fall in line behind him like zombie democrats?

      • EliseR

        I did not say so what. Veteran benefits should not be cut. But understand the facts, not the lies bizpac is telling you.

        • Burn_the_Witch

          No, actually you did say that. See, on the internet, people can see what you post for long after it posted. You’re saying “so what” up and down the thread.

          The only thing you’ve attempted to point out that’s a lie is the Disabled Vets exemption, but you fail to address what this commenter actually said.

          Projection is a legitimate psychological issue when demonstrated as often as you do.

        • Dave Kube

          liar…

    • AFCrewChief

      The more important fact is the – The Illegals tax refund trumps the Vets…

      • lovinspoonful

        If you have an objection to BIzpac, EliseR,then why are you on here?

        • Richard F

          He is here to give more of an accurate truth then a one sided “story”/

          • lovinspoonful

            Really! That’s funny!

          • NoCrud

            Richard F is funny in expecting anyone to think that a TROLL has anything of value to add to a Conservative Forum.

          • Dave Kube

            with lies?

        • AFCrewChief

          1st I’m a Vet and 2nd Who are you the monitor?

    • Independence_R_US

      This is not true. It does effect disabled vets. It cuts a poultry 500 million a year & then gives 10 times that away to illegals. So maybe you need to do some research.

      BTW when do illegals get precedent over citizens? Let alone those that have put their lives on the line for the rest of us.

      Intentional stupidity by liberals. Boxer is another poster child for that special kind of stupid. The list for stupid liberals grows by the day. While there are many in the GOP ranks that are volunteering to be added to the list, doesn’t make a wrong a right.

      Can you say Obamacare.

      • Richard F

        All hot air no substance.

        • NoCrud

          Mirror Talk…

        • Dave Kube

          like Elise…

        • Independence_R_US

          And whom made you the expert? I guess the folks that have reported to have had their pensions cut are wrong. Oh well you must be a liberal.

          Typical response of the misinformed brainwashed. Congrats

      • NoCrud

        Boxer is unfit for government office.

    • Marilyn Z

      My biggest concern right now is that they are allowing this grand larceny from illegals at all. Does this mean that you and I can add 15 or 20 imaginary children to our returns and get credits for them? If every American did this, our country would be under so fast even Obama couldn’t print the money fast enough, but we allow it of criminals who are in this country illegally…who broke the laws of this country to even be here?

      In what upside-down, Alice-in-Wonderland world does this make sense? I don’t care what any talking heads say about it…allowing this criminal activity to proceed is a very liberal thing.

      The can’t destroy this country fast enough, can they? And you are helping by agreeing with them.

    • Rob

      As a retired Navy veteran, I find this patently egregious and an insult to all who served our nation. This country panders to illegal aliens and fringe minority groups at the expense of law-abiding CITIZENS. Shameless …

    • Cape Coral

      How can you even begin to defend the cutting of ANY military benefits or pensions, my God, the Demnocrats are giving the illegals tax breaks. Insanity. Check you sanity, sir!

    • quillerm

      How do cuts raise pensions? Check your facts EliseR. I am a disabled Vet and the cuts apply to me, Have you been watching MSNBC?

    • J. C. Smith

      If you think Ryan is a “staunch conservative” it’s your facts that need checking, amigo.

    • Mr Keith Charles Johnson

      Elise you are wrong. I don’t know who you’ve reads or been listening to, but read the Washington Free Beacon from 12/17/2013.:

      Disabled Military Retirees Not Exempt from Pension Cuts in Budget Dealhttp://freebeacon.com/disabled-military-retirees-not-exempt-from-pension-cuts-in-budget-deal/

    • Dave Kube

      redikulous…

      • NoCrud

        That’s what the “R” after Elsie stands for.

        • Major

          Then the “D” must mean dipstick or dumbazz?

    • Viva la Revolucion

      Wow, 1 for and 16 against so far – not too popular at the school yard, were you?

    • Mike Coons

      No EliseR you are wrong. According to Senator Lisa Murkowski’s office, not volunteered BTW, it impacts all military retired, both those who served out their 20 plus and those medically retired due to major injuries. Those people have the same ID card as I have. Yes, I am not impacted since I am 61 years old and the start is when I’m 63. As to “working vets” three things. One can you live on a US Military retiree paycheck? I got a buddy just retired, TSgt (E-6) full retirement before taxes, $1,300 a month. Can you live on that? I think not! Second, so what if we work, I did for another 20 plus years upon retirement. I got out at age 38, why would I not want to do something productive with my life, much less be even more financially responsible to my family. Lastly, what we get is NOT retirement. It is a retainer. Retainer you say, why that? Because we are eligible to be recalled back onto active duty until age 65! Yes EliseR, we have called back retiree’s, we did it during Desert Storm/Shield. I know, I was worked in readiness and we had to process in retiree’s into our unit. As to Paul Ryan, I’d not call him a “staunch conservative”!

    • alnga

      Then why if all this is a fact do we not still refuse to grant funds to people that are known felons and broke into our country by sneaking over our porous borders?

    • Jen Blume

      Elise…do you have any knowledge of being on military retirement? if not then shut up….

    • Richard Lawler

      Elise to take away from Vets for feed undocumented immigrants is less then American. Boxer has killed the progress in California and lives off of undocumented immigrants. Why don’t the senators take away from their pensions or better yet from the unions who is killing the middle class along with the democrats. What country to we live in to take away from those who served for your freedom? Wake up America it will come out of your pocket.

    • raffaelecafagna

      you need to check yours , you are Uninformed

    • raffaelecafagna

      you got to be a ki## A## to Illegals

    • Triangulum Andromeda

      Ryan is a liberal troll. Anything that touches veterans in a negative way is vile and a disgrace to their honor. Of course we can expect this from the liberal nut-cluster but NOT from those claiming to be conservative.

    • SDLakeshore

      Check your own facts. The cuts applied across the board up to age 62. I know; I’m one of them. It was initially the disabled vets that caused the move to restore the cuts, eve if only for the group of disabled vets themselves. It’s not going to happen. And there are a group of retired vets under 62 who lost their prime healthcare status under the Sequester. Double whammy in less than 12 months. Hoo-ah!

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/18/disabled-military-retirees-not-exempt-from-pension-cuts-in-budget-deal/

      http://militaryadvantage.military.com/2013/12/ryan-murray-budget-deal-could-hurt-retirees/

    • mjnellett

      Elise the cuts are for ALL vets despite what your masters told you. Paul Ryan is NOT, repeat NOT a staunch conservative…not even close. Why the hell should ILLEGAL aliens be given anything for unlawfully coming into our country? Answer….they shouldn’t!!!! I still say we boycott Nevada until those useful idiots smarten up and get rid of the corrupt, sorry example of a human being!

    • StevenCook12

      You need to get your facts straight because these cuts do impact disabled vets. Paul Ryan is a putz because he’s never served in the military in ANY capacity and has no clue as to the sacrifices that our military make in service to our country. As a veteran myself, I am disgusted by Ryan’s betrayal of our military. I supported that putz in the 2012 election but this is a major f*ckup on this part.

    • Rodger

      They most certainly apply to all disabled Veterans retired from a service so maybe you should get your facts straight.

    • Stephen Bennett

      Paul Ryan is a freaking RINO, in case you didn’t know it. Talked a good game but when it came to saving his own “political bacon”, he collapsed like a “shopping channel suitcase”.

    • kenistaz

      I love the way you avoid the main issue of the bill which is to help our fighting HEROs of passed,present and the future.And another very important part of the bill is to stop fraud committed by people claiming children that do not exist and to stop illegal immigrants from claiming any tax credit.

  • http://vato21stcentury.blogspot.com/ Jim S.

    Reality:
    The Abandoning of the missions and the purposes of, along with the once
    again promises to the Afghan people, first time was after the
    Afghan/Soviet long war, quickly after 9/11, with the Lives still being lost, those serving still being wounded!!! Giving rise to, with the rhetoric from within, not a victory over, and spread of al Qaeda type ideology criminal terrorism!!!

    The Cost of War, All Costs, the Responsibility of Those Served

    “12 years also is a long time. We now have a lifetime responsibility
    to a generation of service members, veterans and their families.” Dr. Jonathan Woodson 11 Sep. 2013: ‘With 9/11 Came Lifetime Responsibility’

    There’s only one branch of Government, Federal and States, consistently
    doing for not only us Veterans’ but also the Military personal and their
    Families and without the control of the Countries purse strings and combining
    the Cabinet agencies abilities to help where possible with their
    budgets. That’s the whole Executive branch under President Obama. Doing
    what Congress, and State legislatures in passing feel patriotic support bills that are unfunded, and the people represented by them and served by the
    Military refuse to do, Sacrifice, especially the wealthy!

    Decades, and wars of, of under funding the VA. With these two recent
    wars little was done for the Veterans of as well as the Military
    personal, i.e. Walter Reed as one example, and their Families, in the
    first years of both under the previous executive branch and those
    congresses. Rubber stamped war costs, off the books and on the countries
    credit card with no bid private contracts, including building an
    expensive private merc army! That’s not adding in all the other rubber
    stamped costs of the bush administration policy wants, especially in the
    first six years of!

    Rachel Maddow: “We got a huge round of tax cuts in
    this country a few weeks before 9/11. Once 9/11 happened and we invaded
    Afghanistan, we kept the tax cuts anyway.
    How did we think we were going to pay for that war? Did we think it was
    free?

    Then, when we started a second simultaneous war in another country, we
    gave ourselves a second huge round of tax cuts. After that second war
    started. The wars, I guess, we thought would be free, don`t worry about
    it, civilians. Go about your business.” 23 May 2013

    “If military action is worth our troops’ blood, it should be worth
    our treasure, too” “not just in the abstract, but in the form of a
    specific ante by every American.” -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

    David (CBS News) Martin: “Then there’s the financial cost. To date,
    the Pentagon has spent more than $500 billion on the war in Afghanistan.
    A defense spending bill the Senate is expected to pass this week would
    add another $80 billion to that.” 17 December 2013

    That’s not counting those decades to come results from costs and the once again ignored, by those served, issues!

    The wars, neither Afghanistan nor Iraq, have yet been paid for. Nor
    especially the now decades to come, DeJa-Vu all over again, the of
    results for those sent, over and over, and the continuing under funding
    the Peoples Responsibility, the Veterans Administration charged with
    much more then just caring for the wounded, as those served ignore most
    of those results from!!

    ‘Cost of War’ site {real and estimated costs}: “Total
    US federal spending associated with the Iraq war has been $1.7 trillion
    through FY2013. In addition, future health and disability payments for
    veterans will total $590 billion and interest accrued to pay for the war
    will add up to $3.9 trillion.” 19 March 2013 © 2011 Watson Institute, Brown University

    USN All Shore ’67-’71 GMG3 Vietnam In Country ’70-’71

    • http://vato21stcentury.blogspot.com/ Jim S.

      More disturbing in relation to even before and through the early years of the Afghanistan, quickly abandoned missions of, and Iraq occupations, this:

      ProPublica and The Seattle Times Nov. 9, 2012 – Lost to History: Missing War Records Complicate Benefit Claims by Iraq, Afghanistan Veterans
      “DeLara’s case is part of a much larger problem that has plagued the U.S. military since the 1990 Gulf War: a failure to create and maintain the types of field records that have documented American conflicts since the Revolutionary War.”

      Army Says War Records Gap Is Real, Launches Recovery Effort

      The War On Military Records
      “12/10/2013 – The era of big data has arrived on the battlefield and we need to find new ways to deal with it.”

      And meanwhile, as those served don’t like to Sacrifice themselves, the country ignores and support the ignoring of the results of war on those who served in theater and carry that politically by blaming the Veterans Administration led by the political ideology seeking to privatize for corporate profit, the peoples responsibility:

      Army Times Oct. 16, 2008 – VA claims found in piles to be shredded

      CNN iReport October 25, 2008 – House Vets’ Committee To Probe VA Shredder Scandal

      Tampa Bay Times Oct 27, 2008 – Hundreds of VA documents improperly shredded, review finds {Tampa Bay Times search page and series of articles}

      CBS News February 11, 2009 – Veterans’ Claims Found in Shredder Bins

  • Kathy

    What happened to AmericA?? We are now giving benefits (unearned) to criminals and taking away from the (earned) people who fought for the freedoms we are losing every day!!
    Barbara Boxer needs to remember that the only reason she has a job is because of those freedoms!! How about we build a wall to keep California away from the rest of us?? Give it to the Mexicans!! They seem to want it badly!!

  • Jerry

    There must be more illegal aliens voting for democrats than veterans voting for democrats.

    • NoCrud

      Democrats are not biased or prejudiced. They accept votes from Illegals, even dead ones.

      • Richard F

        No it’s the Archie Bunkers of this world are dying off. How much longer for you? How old are you!?! LOL

        • NoCrud

          LOL… Ignoramus…

          See? I know how to spell words that describe you. Wonder if you’ve had a test yet to see if you can spell IQ…

    • BDBerzerker

      Veterans and active duty military don’t count anymore. They don’t even bother to count our votes. Yet they bend over backwards to let people in the country illegally to vote and suck money from veteran and military programs in order to provide them with UNEARNED entitlements. The cherry on top is the labeling of vets and patriot groups as the real terrorist threats. We should die because we are a drag on society because of the injuries we recieved in defense of our country. Our frustration is justified but if we express ourselves we are dangerous, racist or worse.

      • Jerry

        I have known people in my city that tried all their lives to get a job with the city. Their families have paid taxes to the city for over 100 years. Hispanics are now driving the city busses.
        I tried to get a job delivering produce. I have 23 years experience delivering in the DC, MD, VA areas. Next to me when I filled out an application was a younger Hispanic that they were translating the application for. When he finished he got called right into the office for an interview. I have never heard a word. I have stopped patronizing all foreign owned businesses.

  • cmjay

    Our VETS are dealt another blow by the DEMOC RATS and Barbara BOXER true to her name just gave them an UPPER CUT. She prefers to give our money to the ILLEGALS.

    • EliseR

      Paul Ryan wrote the bill and defends it.

      • Burn_the_Witch

        And the commenter was talking about Boxer, to whom the article was referring. Try to keep up.

        • lovinspoonful

          Boxer is one that needs to go this year.

          • NoCrud

            One of many. But the Kalipornians picked her and love her so they can continue to sleep in her feminist bed. And I wonder if you read her latest book: “My Experience in Military Etiquette” ▬ I hear it has only two pages: The cover and the back.

          • lovinspoonful

            I take it you know about her reprimand to the general. How stupid can you get.

          • NoCrud
      • lovinspoonful

        Wasn’t it Harry Reid and his cohorts in the senate that preferred to fund the illegals? It’s a known fact that Harry sleeps with Obama.

        • Richard F

          Your an expert on sex? “LovinSpoonful” ??

          • NoCrud

            More Alinsky strategy: Isolate and Ridicule.

          • Burn_the_Witch

            Yeah, but he’s really bad at it. Apparently doesn’t realize he’s the isolated one here either.

          • NoCrud

            Democrats ignore it when people point out their ridiculousness. It’s because they think they are so much smarter than Conservatives.

          • Burn_the_Witch

            I’m beginning to think little Dicky here is a bot. Like MMFA Troll Bot 1.0 or something. He can’t be THAT stupid.

          • Richard F

            Oh is it BTW or BTC?? which one are your really? Because I think you are talking out of 3 ends of your body.

          • Burn_the_Witch

            “Think[ing]” is clearly not your strong suit.

          • NoCrud

            He is going to try to convince us that he IS that stupid or maybe even more stupid.

          • http://www.Remember1986.com/ Brandy Baron

            There is no level of stupidity too low for a liberal.

      • SusieQ

        Yes, along with that little dutch boy girl Patty Murray and unlike liberals who “Stands by their Man” regardless I am very angry at him, dumb move.

  • Jerry

    What part of illegal don’t you get? The illegals are here because they know they can live for free. We owe them ZERO.

    • SusieQ

      You are so right illegal=nothing in my book, I can hardly wait until the Nov. elections.

      • Jerry

        I think we stand a good chance.

  • Tom P

    Looks like Harry Reid and his democrat cronies have screwed our military members and veterans again in addition to all the legal taxpayers as the costs related to restoring the retirement pay that was promised would be paid for by deneying tax credits to undocumented immigrants. Looks like the democrats in the senate put the welfare of the undocumented immigrants above our military members, military veterans & taxpaying citizens. It is time to vote them all out and send people to Washington who will keep their promises to the people who protect them and elect them.

    • BDBerzerker

      It would be nice if we could vote them out. But when George (satan) Soros is counting the votes we don’t have a chance in hell.

    • ExRepug

      You kind of skipped over the part where the House voted in December for the bill that included the pension COLA limitations. It was part of the Paul Ryan budget plan.

      • Tom P

        You made the mistake by calling it the Paul Ryan budget plan when in fact it was a budget compromise hammered out by Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wa., and Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisc. At least they are working so the liberals won’t blame the republicans again to avoid another gov’t shutdown.

  • Leftbehind

    Any Illegal Citizens Should be shipped home asap !

    • Jim Britt

      Illegals shouldn’t be getting refunds; they should be getting 10 yrs on a chain gang at hard labor!

      • lovinspoonful

        They are entitled to no benefits.

        • NoCrud

          Tree meals and a cot is quite enough for them.

          • lovinspoonful

            Until they are sent back home.

  • Edward Beck

    Well, socialism is alive and well in the DEMOCRAP controlled senate.

  • Leftbehind

    Got to say this The DemocRats hate most of America bunch of Idiots .