Outrage as Army bans word ‘Christmas’: ‘Treats pornography better than it does Christmas’

dont sat christmasThe Army got a stern warning from a Defense Department representative recently. Avoid the word “Christmas” under all circumstances.

An equal opportunity officer delivered the message to leaders of the 158th Infantry Brigade at Mississippi’s Camp Shelby, according to Fox News.

An unidentified soldier attending the meeting said that when the subject of the upcoming Christmas football game was brought up, the officer immediately told the attendees that the word “Christmas” couldn’t be used.

“Our equal opportunity representative stopped the briefing and told us that we can’t say Christmas,” the soldier told Fox News. “Almost the entire room blew up. Everybody was frustrated. The equal opportunity rep told our commander that not everyone celebrates Christmas and we couldn’t say Christmas celebration. It had to be holiday celebration.”

When a brief, heated discussion on political correctness ensued, the equal opportunity officer said those weren’t her rules — they were the Army’s.

“She said an individual can say Christmas, but as an organization in the Army, you can’t say Christmas,” the soldier said.

The soldier has since hired a lawyer.

“It’s unbelievable that the Army would ban ‘Christmas’ like it’s a bad word,” said Michael Berry, an attorney with the Liberty Institute, a legal firm representing the soldier. “Are they going to have the ‘Merry Christmas’ police going around issuing citations to an soldier who slips and says the word? They’re treating Christmas like it’s pornography. As a matter of fact, the Army actually treats pornography better than it does Christmas.”

Fox reported:

It’s not the first time Equal Opportunity officers have caused trouble at Camp Shelby. Earlier this year, I reported exclusively about a briefing at Camp Shelby that labeled the American Family Association as a domestic hate group.

After my story was published, the Secretary of the Army ordered military leaders to halt all briefings on extremist organizations that labeled Evangelical Christian ministries as domestic hate groups.

“Between the Air Force and the Army, it’s like they don’t like Christian values, they don’t like the word Christ or Christmas,” the soldier said. “They don’t like you talking about it.”

Until this gets all sorted out, the Department of Defense wishes everyone a very merry winter.

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  • GadsdenJazz

    A 1st Amendment infringement if there ever was one. I’d risk the brig without batting an eye. God comes before even my oath to men.

    • wildjew

      How do you know there “is no God”? Isn’t it a bit dogmatic on your part?

      • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

        He told him He didn’t exist!

      • J. C. Smith

        He’s just a hate-filled individual.

        • Chico Hinojos

          yeah his wife probably left the piss poor lowlife of a human cause he aint worth a s==t

          • MobileMarine

            What makes you think he is not gay?

          • Billy Bumtrip

            Funny you should mention that. I have found that most atheists and God haters tend to be gay. Why I don’t know.

          • Jim

            Well I suspect you do know who the gays are. I defer to your expertise.

          • Jim

            I am Canadian. When they decided to let gays marry and give them equal rights in Canada, let me tell you how affected me.
            1. I never made any more or less money
            2. I never argued more or less with my wife.

            The amazing affect of gays on my life was zero , zip nada.

          • bloodyspartan

            you are not that bright to think the gay agenda does not affect you.

            Nah they have not one IOTA of disturbance on society and mores.

          • dennam

            Wow Jimmy, you sure got all fired up. One foot out of the closet are ya? Hey, whatever floats your gay ass boat…

          • DriveMonkeyDrive

            You are too stupid to view anything as a threat even when someone tells you that you can’t use the word Christmas you won’t question it you will just go along like a blind, mind-controlled lemming. North Korea is looking for a few good men, how about giving them a call we really wish you would.

          • Billy Bumtrip

            If one finds rape repulsive, in your reaction formation world does this mean that the person is a closet rapist?

          • JHorvathJr

            James, your beloved Freud when asked abou the large smoking phallic symbol in his mouth, replied to the newsma “Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.” Which is like saying it’s a truth until you deny it. I see where you get your reasoning skills

          • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

            Because you hang out at gay bars or what?

          • Billy Bumtrip

            No, I don’t drink. But I live and work in an area of the Northwest that has a high concentration of homosexuals.

          • dennam

            That be mostly right.

          • Billy Bumtrip

            I don’t hate gay people. Why do you think that?

          • Brian Robinson

            Because, It’s obvious that if you disagree with their life style then it’s automaticaly hate. Now stop being silly!

          • Billy Bumtrip

            No, you are reading what isn’t there. I noted that most gays I know are atheists. Is that a hateful statement to make?

          • GreeneGhost

            It may not be hateful, per se, but it is not factual. Most gays I know are just tired of Christian hypocrites.

          • Billy Bumtrip

            You may be right. I am just going by the gay people I know. I realize that is just a small sample of the gay community nationwide, but I stand what I say from my contact with gay people in the Northwest.

          • Brian Robinson

            Sorry my sarcasm didn’t come through. I’m pretty much in agreement with you.

          • Jay Alan

            I found that most atheists tend to be liberals as well.

          • Billy Bumtrip

            Pretty much, but I have met a few Conservative Atheists.

          • JHorvathJr

            Conservative atheist? Someone who SORTA doesn’t believe in God?

          • Daniel O’Neil

            I have found many very active church goers to be self haters…meaning, that they are gay and are trying hard to please their “god” because their own community condemns them and belittles them as less than human.

          • jcalex

            All that has to be done is to put all Gay men on one island,and all Gay women on another and not allow them to visit some Laboratory and Bam! all gone.

          • JHorvathJr

            You can’t reasonwith liberals and atheists. Each knows absolutelcertainty that there is no one, no power greater thanthemselves.

          • Gear-shone

            You’re an aethiest, you don’t worship the other 2499 gods that the other people on earth do. YOU’RE THE GOD HATER, SO SHUT UP!

          • Thomas Viveiros

            Hah MM he is probably queerer than a Ford F350 pickup truck full of 3 buck bills Ho Ho Ho .

          • Amonite

            Our value is in Christ, not of ourselves. We all were once lost and sinners. Don;t be the guy who was forgiven millions of dollars of debt, then got upset over the guy who owed him $20.

          • Billy Bumtrip

            What is funny that you started the name calling, the lemmings just followed you.

        • Jerry

          Go to hell with your demons. Hate or fact?

        • Skylar Goodman-Cave

          ok, im not religious, and probably never will be (just setting that straight) but weren’t you the one that STARTED the entire conversation while calling someone an arrogant and delusional fool…? that sir, makes you not only a delusional fool, but also a hypocrite.

          You must be a liberal…

          • Billy Bumtrip

            No, James You are just a troll that rationalizes everything you say and twists what some of the others say.

          • Billy Bumtrip

            Apparently it it “your Truth”, I think you like playing the victim because it gives you an excuse to rebel.

          • JHorvathJr

            What you say icannot be proven as “not true” as you know, logic and reason can only prove or disprove positive statements. Does this fact make you “uneducated?” No, it only shows as evidence that you are unreasonable.

          • Liam58

            Really? You are a cocksucker. That is a description of you..therefore, not name calling, but fact.

          • Billy Bumtrip

            What is this “proof” nonsense? These are just people expressing their opinions and perceptions. You make no sense.

          • Ted Bravinski

            I would also like to call you a cocksucker, James.

          • JibberFU

            Bizarre

          • Ted Bravinski

            You make me sick, Smith.

          • JHorvathJr

            How about proof, James? James you can easily disprove the “coclsucker” tag. Just show us pictures of your mouth before and after you make love to someone.

          • JHorvathJr

            Mr Smith. I would be more than happy to meet you in person. Please give me your real name, state the place and the time. I will bring my “cowardly little wimp’ness and introduce you to an a$$ beating that is waiting for you.calling from the drop-out thrid graders. Oh Oh am I scared. Nope. Not a bit.

          • http://www.facebook.com/james.street.3910 Tim Chrisolm

            James, enter the search phrase Jesus in a tornado in Jarrell, TX. I don’t have to tell you what to look for, youll know it when you see it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/james.street.3910 Tim Chrisolm

            That really was uncalled for. I did not try to start some hateful dialog expressing your desire to be angry just because you wanna be angry. Of all the people you have done your level best to insult, I probably care the least about what you believe. Luck to ya in the balance of your life.

          • Ted Bravinski

            James, you been a hater all your life! You been fooled so many times that you can’t put your pants on the right way round.

          • JHorvathJr

            I am a Christian.Meaning: I am a member of a like-minded of rational humans who have reasoned that everything cannot be accidents and happenstance. We arefools for Christ. It gives us comfort when we are hurt; sympathy for others lik you who spend much time trying to disprove that anyone or anything may be more powerful than yourself. My roots as a Christian are founded in historical fact (Josephus the Historian) and common believe. Your roots appear to be in paranoia (we are evil and out to get YOU) and megalomania (you hold a truth none of us have heard before).
            Yours is a said life that will end in nothingness. My life is deusion. But I can look forward to life everlasting. ts and scientist like you often believe in ghosts and ETs. I belive in angels and sorry for you.

          • JibberFU

            Oh, you need to check if your brain hasn’t fallen out on the floor, landed in some dog sh1t and is being trampled on by a morbidly obese woman. If this isn’t the case, then you may be one completely gullible and heavily deranged simian who should pull his brain out of his skull and throw it in some dog sh1t for a morbidly obese woman to stamp on.

          • http://www.facebook.com/james.street.3910 Tim Chrisolm

            OK. Then you bein a morbidly obese woman yourself with plenty a’ dog schit comin from your ugly (ugly that makes a mud fence feel proud) mouth lets meet up and make that happen. Did you know that you’d make much better fertilizer than you do an air freshener? AND TAKE THAT UGLY PIC DOWN, IT CRACKED THE SCREEN ON MY LAPTOP.

          • JibberFU

            Oh Timothy, that was a weak retort from a weak retard.

            I am glad your screen cracked and glad I was able to help with it. It will stop you watching so much donkey pr0n, you horrendously appalling cretin.

            I see that you are a member of the ‘Tea Farty Command Centre’. LMFAO at you Timothy, you racist arse hole

          • http://www.facebook.com/james.street.3910 Tim Chrisolm

            Jib, admit it, you dream to be like me. Ive always wondered if ugly people know that theyre ugly. Youre the best specimen to ask so far and no doubt an authority on the subject. So answer that question for the rest of us Jib. AND GET THAT UGLY PIC DOWN. Theres a law against cruel and unusual punishment.

          • JibberFU

            I cannot admit that I wish I was an ignorant redneck. Many find this to be an abhorrent state.

            If you think I know the child in my avatar you are incorrect again, you dirty cadaver.

          • JHorvathJr

            Your mention of idiots reminds me of Obama campaigning. He said “I;ve campained in 57 states and I think I have one more to go” Actual, exact quote. James, guess how many states are in Indonesia.

        • Sue Ann Carey

          Because we have a different opinion we are Haters? Really? You are the one spewing harsh words about Christians and offending us by saying there is no God. One day we will see who is right…….

      • Joan Casey Ellis Lyons

        Our founding fathers had no doubt of God’s existence. 35% of their writings used the Bible as a reference. George Washington spent daily time in prayer and the reading of his Bible. I’m sorry that the evil that has infiltrated our branches of Armed Services is trying to deny GOD. But GOD does exist and he will not hold harmless those that would deny Him and force this belief on you.

        • wildjew

          I wrote above, George Washington was a God-fearing man but I don’t think he would be considered an Evangelical Christian as we have it today. Our Founders recognized the importance of religion and religiously-based morals and ethics – too bad they did not appreciate that some religions (or a religion) can promote jihad warfare, violence, subjugation of women and unbelievers; supremacism in the name of religion.

          • Steven Hewett

            Better read the Bible because that is exactly what the Christian God is all about, “an promote jihad warfare, violence, subjugation of women and unbelievers; supremacism in the name of religion

          • Stagester

            You haven’t read the Bible with eyes that can see and you obviously haven’t been under any good preaching. What you are describing is happening right now all over the Middle East and Asia under the name of Islam, not Christianity.

          • Buzzd1

            But it used to be in the name of Christianity…which is the reason Islam is doing its thing now…actually they’ve been going back and forth with holy wars since the beginning of religion.

          • Stagester

            That doesn’t mean that’s what Christianity is or stands for. As for Islam, they were not at war with Christians until much later when they took over the Holy Land. They have always converted at the point of a sword. You would do well to study history on this as your comment is the common perception but doesn’t go with the facts.

            Islam is actually a heresy of Christianity as it recognizes Jesus as prophet and it was a reaction to the polytheism of the area wanting to convert people to a monotheism. There are generally two “sections” to the Quran. The first is generally quotes from the Pentateuch and the second is after Muhammed began his war of rape and pillaging. All the quotes from the Quran that talk about killing Jews and Christians come from this section. Then there are the Hadieth which are basically commentaries of the Quran but depending on what sect of Islam you belong to, some are more important than others and carry as much if not more weight than the Quran. There are some especially that are used by the Shi’a and the Wahidi’s that are especially warlike and brutal.

            But to compare Christianity’s tenants to Islams as far as violence and brutality there is no comparison. Will God and has God judged evil men, yeah. But we do not convert on pain of death and we do not subjugate our women. Infact all the women’s rights you see in the world today came about because of Christians. You can say the same thing about slavery. Abolitionists in both England and America were Christians. Our Declaration of Independence and Constitution were created by Christians. Compare that to any of the Muslim countries and even a liberal should see the difference.

          • JackGalt

            Islam has no relation to Christianity nor any other faith of that branch. Even as a heresy. It is the obvious contrivance at counterfeiting a religion with designs of global politcal hegemony. Even some Wiccans will admit the existence of a Jesus but they are not a heresy of that faith.

          • Stagester

            Actually it does. Muhammed was influenced by Judaism and Christianity which was around in 6th century Arabia. I say Islam is a heresy of Christianity and it is since it claims Jesus as it’s 2nd greatest prophet. It also quotes some of the Pentateuch which we take as our Bible in the Quran.

            Obviously they are in gross error, hence heresy. The fallacy most people make is that Christianity went to war with Islam, when it was the Muslims who were sacking churches and monasteries that started the war.

          • Grand Vizier

            Excactly, the mohammedans (they are followers of Mohammed, therefore mohammedans) destroyed the Christian countries of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and other countries in the region.

            They believe in Christ as a prophet born of the Virgin Mary, but that he was merely a human, and they accept that he sits by God´s side to judge on the final day:

            This is of course corruption, and thereby heresy, of Christianity.

            Mohammaed could not read or write, and was primarily a warlord, his homemade religion is not much of a religion, it is merely a front for a society ruled by his family members and descendants.

            Look at shia and sunni, it is all about family, and little about other things.

          • JackGalt

            I am seeing some of your comments and you are right on…This heresy thing tho…A christian Heresy is a divergent belief within a religion…Such as Sabellianism, the watchtower, and a host of others…with Jesus as the central figure but somehow warped from scriptual context. Islam is a religion apart from Judaeism and Christianity. Allah is not the arabicised version of YHWH, it is a completely different god. Note the small g. Jesus had good teachings recognized by buddhists and even the dalai lama, but you would not call them heresies…no sir, Islam is no christian heresy…it is a false religion, period

          • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

            Same god, same weapon, same tactics..

          • Wow_Who_Would_Think

            Really, if a person studies Islam, Christianity and Judeism, they would quickly realize that the Islam deity has little to nothing to do with the God of Christianity/Judeism. Clearly Christianity came out of Judeism but Islam takes tenants of Christianity/Judeism and convolutes and slanders them. Yes, Islam is heretical with respect to the Christian and Jewish scriptures that it convolutes and takes out of context.

          • RonW

            1. Not the same god.
            2. How is ‘turn the other cheek’ the same as ‘kill the unbeliever’?
            3) ditto.

          • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

            You either were home schooled, slept through history class… or are just another ignorant twat..

          • 19Robes50

            What a jackass reply! I can always tell when someone like yourself has lost a debate.

          • bloodyspartan

            you must mead the lib gay textbooks.
            The ones that say half the world is gay and the other half wants to be.

          • JibberFU

            1. It is the same god, you dog’s d1ck.
            2. Have you even read the first testament, you bad case of syphilis.
            3. You are a fuukin arse.

          • JackGalt

            No.

          • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

            Yes.. of course these Muslim assholes are not walking to conquer new lands… nor are they limited to edged weapons and arrows… they can travel much faster, communicate globally and can kill more people faster.. so they are actually superior to the last god army.

          • JackGalt

            No…and don’t make me spoil my christmas by rolling out the heavy artillery and making you look like an idiot. God speed.

          • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

            Your heavy artillery would not include the truth.. so I’m not afraid of incoming barrages of BS.. this page is full of it.

          • AnnaGraceS

            Man o man are you naturally this stupid or did you take a course?! muslims are NOT superior to anyone. They are horny uneducated savages who rape little girls and shed blood faster then anything on this planet!! They get along with NO ONE PERIOD!!

          • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

            Thanks for proving my point,,,

          • bloodyspartan

            If you say so genius.

          • jackiecox

            consider the probability you would be little different from islamist if you had grown up in their culture, But you did not, and are from a culture tolerate of others, while the islam extremists who now control their cultures have become intolerant of others, which before they too were tolerant of others, who existed together side by side with an awareness judeo-islamic-christian culture worhioed the creator, the difference being the books they then used for law, and culture, jews study the kaballah, talmud, and torah, islams study the q’uran,while christians study the old and new testemen, with little variation between the 72 book roman catholic bible and reformed chistian 66 book resulting from Luther, and Calvin who were angry about differences in class, so-called races, Nobility and collusion with Roman Catholic Christianity, Reformed Cristianity bbrought literacy to everyone, previously reserved for Nobility, and Church Officials. People who pretend to not believe in creation and spirituality, or simply do not believe in anything above themselves are entitled to their lack of spirituality and will suffer the consequencies of their belief, No ne can judge another because we did not live the other peoples victimized lives, and suffer our own recent plague of lawmakers, who are seeming from another planet, perhaps uranus, ha ha ha, hilarious, cynical, judgemental, ? it depends on your belief system or lack of.

          • JackGalt

            good stats there…virtually meaningless in context…If I were born in a muslim controlled nation, I would likely still be a muslim or martyred for apostasy. But you have one major fact wrong. you reference muslim extremists. There is no such thing as a muslim extremist. there are observant muslims and non observant muslims. The muslim extremist comes from the same place as unicorns, Zeuss, and intelligent democrats…from the realm of wishful thinking.

          • Buzzd1

            I understand all that very well, and simply said they’ve been battling it out for ages now… Don’t understand what the fuss is about.

          • wildjew

            Do you think their respective founders (Muhammad and Jesus) are comparable?

          • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

            Their followers sure are!

          • wildjew

            In Islam, Muhammad is the perfect man whose life is to be imitated. If Christians are committing violence in the name of Jesus, are they imitating his life or following his teachings?

          • Stagester

            In Islam, there is no such thing as a perfect man. The Quran says we will all be judged by our actions good and evil and they will be balanced. Muhammad obviously according to this will be judged or has been judged more good than evil.

            In Christianity, Christians are unable to imitate Jesus. He is God and we are not. He is all good and we are all not good. There are none good, not even one.

            When we sin we are breaking God’s law just as an unbeliever is. The only difference is we are forgiven our sins, given a new heart that does not want to sin. Unfortunately we are still in a fallen state thanks to our Father Adam even while being redeemed by the 2nd Adam, Jesus Christ.

          • wildjew

            This is the way the scholar on Islam puts it. “The example of the Prophet Muhammad is a supreme paradigm for Muslims.” Why do you blame Adam for your state? I don’t blame anyone but myself for my weaknesses. What is the difference between the believer blaming Adam and Obama blaming Bush for his failures?

          • Stagester

            Yes but he was not perfect and is not held as perfect. He was judged just like all Muslims will be judged.

            I blame Adam for my state because God set Adam as my federal head. In that, when he fell, we all fall in him. God made a Covenant with Adam and positioned Adam as the head of all humanity. When Adam broke the Covenant, we also broke the Covenant.

            Pertinent passages are: Hosea 6:7

            But like Adam they transgressed the covenant; there they dealt faithlessly with me.

            Romans 5:12-14

            12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men[a]because all sinned— 13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. 14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam,who was a type of the one who was to come.

            Isaiah 24:5

            The earth lies defiled
            under its inhabitants;
            for they have transgressed the laws,
            violated the statutes,
            broken the everlasting covenant.

            1 Corinthians 15:45

            Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”;[e] the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

            If my sin is all of myself then so is my salvation and then I am damned for sure. All of us are born into sin and the only way out is through Christ, the second Adam

            The difference in me blaming my sin on Adam, is I don’t my sin is my own but I sin because I was born to sin and that is because of Adam. Your comparison to Obama is silly. God made Adam to be good and he was until the serpent tempted him. Adam was the only man ever who could have worked his way to heaven. After he fell, that way was forever barred. The representation of that were the Angels posted at the gates of Eden.

            Even in the history of Israel, whenever God came to be among them they had to be covered in blood in order for their sins to be forgiven and even then they could not be in his presence. When the High Priest went into the Holy of Holies, they had to tie a rope to him to pull him out in case God struck him down.

            The only way we can have communion with God and be in his presence is by the perfect obedience of his Son, Jesus Christ. Thankfully I do not have to go before God on my own merits because that would be horrifying.

          • wildjew

            Like Adam. Not “because of” Adam. “Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin.”

            Sorry, I do not believe much of anything Paul wrote. He was the false prophet (the hireling) Jesus warned his followers about. “He who is a hireling, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them.”

            “….but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.”

          • Stagester

            Yes but what you are missing is that through Adam we all broke the Covenant. Again Hosea 6:7. Adam because he fell we have a sin nature and can do nothing good. There is none good not even one. That is because of Adam’s transgression.

            We are responsible for our sins but we live in a fallen world, in fact because of Adam’s breaking of the Covenant, the whole of Creation groans. That’s why there has to be a new heaven and a new earth. That’s why Jesus had to come and die for us and not only die but be perfect in obedience to God because we cannot.

          • jackiecox

            Clinton started free trade, which took our jobs

          • Buzzd1
          • JackGalt

            Adam is to blame for the state of the universe. We are each to blame for how we handle that issue, And since Mohammad MHBIH, if he is the paradigm we should all forget how to read, learn to bugger little boys and marry a 9 year old. yuck…

          • Carolyn Smith

            Although we can never be flawless as Jesus , we are to strive for that perfection. Paul compares it to a marathon saying that we run toward the goal. He himself has not yet reached the goal but still he strives to reach it.

          • Carol Santos

            Very well and succinctly said Carolyn.

          • Stagester

            That is correct, we will not be holy until we are resurrected in our bodies.

          • JibberFU

            Oh dear! Look who’s insane!

          • JibberFU

            That is proper tin-hat crazy

          • Billy Bumtrip

            Nah-uh

          • JackGalt

            do you have a link to the fatwah that was issued by the church calling for believers to fall upon you for insulting Christ? I would love to see that to prove your point.

          • Stagester

            No not at all, one was a very ignorant man and one was the God/man.

          • JibberFU

            No, they were both very ignorant men, living in a crappy desert crap hole that never amounted to anything

          • Stagester

            It must be satisfying being so ignorant. You never have to worry about reality.

          • JibberFU

            What would you know about reality, you gormless SOB. You have chosen to follow religion because your parents did and they, being genetically related to you, were probably also incapable of understanding even basic science. In addition, you seem to be guilty of not attempting to order your experiences in anything other than the vaguely agreed knowledge of a donkey-ass old book full of ancient arab logic like pigs are bad.

          • Stagester

            You are the one that showed your ignorance by not knowing basic geography. You don’t know me and your immediate resort to ad hominem is classic sign of ignorance and failed argument.

          • JibberFU

            No. You are gormless, this seems to be fact.

            Where you are bears no concern on the words you say and what you say shows you are quite likely somewhat deranged by religion. At some point in your hairy life, you realised this too but you were far too gone to turn back and there you stayed, soaking up further falsehoods at the church.

            Your IQ will be around 90 and you will not hold a college degree.

            Am I right? Oui.

          • Stagester

            The mere fact you don’t know the difference in Arabic Peninsula and Palestine shows that you are simply a failure of the dismal American educational system.

            Bantering with one that shows this level of ignorance is hardly fruitful so I will stop with this. When you are before Christ and he judges you, I do hope all your invectives will come rushing into your mind as you go where you deserve to be.

          • JibberFU

            You dopey faggod. You’re a farkin peninsula. When I am before Christ? If you were sure of that you would be dead now to go and meet him, but, unfortunately, you are not, because you are a liar as well as an idiot.

            Also, the US education system is a dismal failure. Just another way to tax the poor, you filthy and wretched penis.

          • Stagester

            It must be really sad that everyday you wake up you are still you. Yeah, you will bow before the Lord just like everyone else and you will suffer forever.

            See its the knowledge of God that makes us free, you are a slave to your sin and will be punished unless you repent.

          • JibberFU

            Pathetic.

            Had you real faith in god you would already be dead to go meet it, you brazen liar

          • Stagester

            And why is that? That God created me in his image and for his glory? He can do with me what he wants. What is the clay to complain to the potter? No, would I wish to be with him now and not talking to you? Sure. But he has not chosen that. I am still out proclaiming his gospel to all who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

          • JibberFU

            You really sound like a complete fuuuukin not job. Get to the doctors, read him what you said to me, ask for some pills. Take anything you get ( double-dose if you can).

            Good luck!

          • Stagester

            Only an insane person can look at what God has created and come away with its an accident.

            When you are before the Lord on the judgement seat, ask your doc if he can help ya. Good luck with that.

          • JibberFU

            Only fools refer to it as an accident. Read some physics, you muppet.

          • Stagester

            So if it wasn’t an accident then how did everything get created? Was there some other person that did it? Was there a purpose? Accident means there was no direction behind it, are you saying you think there was direction?

            You just show how bigoted and ignorant you are when you resort to calling people names, unless…ah ha, I get it…how old are you? Do your parents know what you put out on the internet?

          • JibberFU

            Dear oh dear, stagetwat! I am not surprised that you haven’t read the Lambda Cold Dark Matter Theory, it is complicated. More complicated than “god it it”.

            What a doofus.

          • Stagester

            Just read it not hard to understand, there’s a constant Lambda and cold dark matter that’s always been there. Just doesn’t fit with a couple of other theories such as Information Theory and the Law of Thermodynamics. Other than that and that cold dark matter hasn’t ever been found but great theory otherwise. So is the Easter bunny.

            I’ll stick to what actually describes what we see in the world. That creation was created by something or someone with a purpose and fits tightly engineered tolerances. It also doesn’t go against observable laws of physics.

            You just keep showing your ignorance, first geography, then physics. Try history or better yet stick to your sandbox. Its safer.

          • JibberFU

            You didn’t read it did you?

          • Stagester

            Yeah I read it, like I said not difficult to understand but what you fail to understand is its inherent flaws.

          • JibberFU

            Did you finish college? If you did you should ask for your money back, cos you sure is a dummass, Stagester! You must know this, I refuse to believe I am the first one to point out your abject stupidity.

            DM Is proven but not found. READ. YOU. GODDAMD. BUFFON!

            And, saying “God did it” is not a valid answer, you stinking arse.

          • Stagester

            You are a pathetic individual and you have been given over to your sin. You should read in scripture what God does with people like you. It isn’t pretty. I will still pray that God opens your heart and eyes to the truth.

          • JibberFU

            You ridiculous fool. god will do nothing cos there isn’t one. You, and I for that matter will be worm food. You’re the dumbest bugger I have found on the internet. A real retard. Is your tongue too big for your mouth?

          • JibberFU

            Nothing will happen you utter cretin. There is no such thing as god, just stupid people like you and your pastor.

          • Stagester

            So much hate for a God you don’t believe in. You are a walking illogical being and for that reason alone, I would be worried about you having an aneurysm.

          • JibberFU

            No hate, you gormless mutha. More a lack of patience with stupidity.

          • JibberFU

            LMFAO at you, you tw4t

          • Billy Bumtrip

            No

          • jims_blog

            Not even close to wit: Jesus said The only way to the Father is through me. Not so with Mohamed the “WAR LORD”, ISLAM “SUCKS PIG” dicks!!!

          • Patti_Mi

            The Roman Catholic church persecuted believers in the Middle Ages… however, the RCC hasn’t been Christian since the mid-5th century.

          • Stagester

            It wasn’t until the 5th century that there was a RCC and protestants have persecuted other believers too. But that doesn’t mean that is the way of Christianity. It means we are all sinners. But I do agree the RCC is not a Christian church.

          • Amonite

            #1 that was the Catholic church, not the Bible or anything asked for by God. The Scripture does not lessen because people disobey it.

            #2 The First Crusade in 1099 was to retake Jerusalem from the -muslims- who had captured it in 1076. Since then the muslims had been persecuting and killing Christians who attempted to take a pilgrimage to Jerusalem. Might does not make right. This crusade killed muslim, jew, and christian alike as i

            They were not so much holy wars for the muslims as political wars. http://www.danielpipes.org/84/the-muslim-claim-to-jerusalem

            #3 The Catholic church also killed and tortured many christians. In fact, they have been behind the death of over 50 million Christians over time (usually in targeted persecution). Another ~18 million were killed in persecution against the jew and pagan.

            http://arcticbeacon.com/books/Plaisted-Estimates_Number_Killed_by_the_Papacy-2006.pdf

            #4 You are right that ‘religion’ (the social structures and rules men put in place) can lead to all sorts of atrocities. That is why the only religion the Bible speaks of is to “help widows and orphans in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world”.

            #5 The new covenant was a break from rules or creeds. In fact, the law never had the power to save, only to condemn. That is why salvation is through belief in Christ as savior and the one who takes our sins away: It is not through any religion or work of man.

          • RonW

            Wrong! It’s _not_ ‘the reason’. Islam has always been expansionist. The crusades were a response to 400 years of rapine and aggression from the islamic hordes. It’s like saying that the bullied child who gives the bully a black eye is at fault, and is responsible for the bully’s continued depredations.

            Absolutely incredible!!

          • bloodyspartan

            Wrong and liar.

          • Steven Hewett

            Well you assume to much, that makes you an ass! I’ve read plenty and probably know more about the bible than you and many other people. You ignore the killings, mass murders, rape, slavery, need I gone that your bible or god condones. There is no difference between a Muslim Jihad, Christian Jihad or Jewish Jihad, do you have binders on you eyes? Just look in the news, christians burning people ALIVE in Africa because they are accused of being witches! REALLY, a witch! Ignorance, just plain ignorance of a delusional people believing in a mythical God!

          • Stagester

            Unless you have been imbued with the Holy Spirit you cannot read the Bible and know what God has revealed. Its obvious you haven’t. Just because people who claim to be Christians or are Christians do wrong does not make Christianity wrong.

            Have people in the past and perhaps today gone against the tenants of God, sure. Has God punished sinful people, sure. Will he continue to do so? yeah he will because we have a Just God. But that same God shows mercy on whom he will show mercy.

            You may have read parts of the Bible but it is also clear you have never understood it because if you had, you wouldn’t be saying what you are saying. Please tell me when there were Christian or Jewish Jihads? Are they happening now? Tell that to the Christians in Southern Sudan, who are being slaughtered by the thousands in the name of Allah. Tell that to the Christians in Egypt who have been killed and their churches burned in the name of Allah. Tell that to one of the oldest known villages in Syria that was wiped out in the name of Allah, and by a group we have supplied arms to. Tell that to what’s left of the Jews and Christians in Iraq or Iran.

            Where exactly is this Christian or Jewish Jihad? There is only one Jihad and it comes from the mouth of Muhammad.

          • wildjew

            It helps to have the spirit of God guiding you while reading His word but it is not essential in every instance. Does it take God’s spirit to understand, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness?”

          • Stagester

            No God’s law is on everyone’s heart but to understand many of the things in the Bible and especially the Gospel, yeah it does take the Holy Spirit to understand. Let those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

          • wildjew

            I see millions of devout Christians here in the U.S. who do not understand why God is judging America just now. Why did God give us this nightmare, this Muslim-born president, etc.? Most American Christians will tell you its because we have killed so many babies, or there is too much hedonism and homosexuality, promiscuity, etc. God hates shedding innocent blood but that is not why He is judging America presently. Where is the Holy Spirit in the Christian community when there is so much spiritual blindness everywhere around me. I feel like I live in a nation full of blind men leading the blind. Do you know why God is judging this nation so harshly just now? I am talking about the huge fall America took within the past decade. Can you explain it? Why did God take down his protective hedge on 9/11/2001 and then allow a dangerous Muslim to win the White House only seven years hence? What is God’s spirit telling your spirit? I know what He is telling my spirit. What is He telling yours?

          • Stagester

            We agree on most things in what you have said.

            1. Why are so many Christians not discerning what is going on? Why does it seem like the blind are leading the blind?

            I don’t have a ready answer. I do know that the history of Christianity even in the New Testament showed Christian churches in disarray such as the church in Corinth and in outright heresy such as the church in Galatia. There were false teachers everywhere, Paul talks about the super apostles and his description fits a lot of the mega-church pastors today. Plain and simple, I am sorry to say, most people who consider themselves Christian are not under good teaching and do not know basic tenants of the faith.

            That is not to say they are not Christian, I cannot judge them on their salvation. But Jesus warned that many would come to him on the last day and he will say I do not know you, begone you evil ones.

            I do think God has placed this country under judgement and I think it is because we have lost our way. But the USA was never God’s people and therefore it is not surprising that we are given the same judgements as other countries. There is a strain that says the USA was a blessed country because of our Christian founding but that is not in scripture. God’s people are the church not the USA. I believe this teaching is a gross error and if it is practised in a church is heretical.

            Whenever man rebels against God and especially rebels by committing sins against those born in his image: that includes abortion and homosexuality; then God gives them over to their sins. I am very grateful that God does not allow man to be as evil as he would on his on.

            Wildjew, why are Christians not being taught, why are they choosing to be under someone that only preaches what they want to hear? Because they are sinners as we all are. I pray they get under correct teaching and truly come to understand that they are hopelessly slaves to sin and without Christ there is no hope.

          • Carolyn Smith

            I cannot answer your question. I can only tell you what I believe and that is that He has turned His face from us because we, as a nation, have turned ours from Him. We have taken Him out of schools and every aspect of life that we could. We have become self absorbed , godless people as a whole.

          • wildjew

            You don’t think 9/11 was and the resulting costly wars, the election of Barack Hussein Obama, etc., were a turning point for this nation within a matter of years, not decades? Have you read Genesis 12:3? Can you see how it might apply to self-professed born again Christian George W. Bush just prior to and immediately following the September attacks? Why is Obama Bush’s terrible legacy? Where was God?

          • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

            Merry Christmas Fred Phelps!!

          • Carolyn Smith

            You are so correct!

          • ARTHUR H. NICANDER

            What about the Inquisition ?? Was that not a Jihad ?? About the witch trials by the Puritans ?? How about the catholics and protestants Mary of Scotland and Elizabeth of England ?? How about the christians persecuting the jews in Europe, mainly Spain ?? There are other examples of christianity Jihads that do not come to mind now but there were many in the early days of the church. What is happening now with islam is the same as that period. About the same time of development of both religions. That is the way I see it, and neither is right or proper…..

          • Stagester

            The inquisition, burning witches and the wars between protestants and catholics and the persecution of Jews were done in the name of Christ but that doesn’t mean they were ordained by Christ. There is a difference between that and the Quran saying Jews were the product of sex with animals and Christians are to be slain if they do not bow to Allah. What most who argue this way fail to see is that all men including Christians are sinners and break the law of God. Muslims on the other hand see no problem slaying people in the name of Allah. I know there are some who follow Muhammad that say different but that is what their books say and not what the Bible says.

            BTW, just properly jihad is an Arabic word that comes from the mouth of Muhammad and never from Christ or Moses.

          • ARTHUR H. NICANDER

            At that point in time they were telling the people that what they were saying and doing was in the name of GOD according to their interpertation of the bible. they were the ones that controlled religion for the people as there were very few educated (people able to read). So they supposedly being the interperters of the word of God were the only truth for the people of those ages…..

          • Stagester

            no man is the truth except Christ Jesus:

            “I am the way and the truth…”

            These men were no different than you or I and were sinners, improperly interpreting scripture or in the case of the RCC, adding their own traditions to scripture.

          • Billy Bumtrip

            W hat’s your point. What are you REALLY getting at? What is your agenda?

          • Billy Bumtrip

            That was then and this is now. Don’t get stuck in the past.

          • Dionysius John

            “Just because people who claim to be Christians or are Christians do wrong does not make Christianity wrong.”
            ..and the same can be said of those who follow Islam, or any other theology…

          • Stagester

            The difference is in the books they use and believe are the word of God.

            The Bible says do not murder. The Quran says kill all those who do not bow to Allah. See the difference? Geez when did we forget how to think?

          • wildjew

            You say there is a Jewish concept of jihad in the Torah; that is unlimited global warfare until the entire world either converts to Judaism or submits to it’s authority. Can you cite chapter and verse?

          • Steven Hewett

            Think you’re directing your comment to the wrong person.

          • Carolyn Smith

            You have no understanding of the Bible. Someone can quote scripture forward and back but it doesn’t make them a Christian or mean that they understand the teachings of Christ. These people who commit evil in the name of God, do not understand any more than you do. In the Old Testament there was much war and sacrifice of animals and I cant pretend to understand it. But that was all before Christ. When He came, things, changed. He was the ultimate sacrifice for us all. He came to preach love and forgiveness.

          • Billy Bumtrip

            Hewett, you blew it You reflect rage, anger, and pride.

          • Steve H

            Typical response when someone speaks the truth!

          • Amanda Lynn Case

            Actually he is referring to Chrisitan practices here in America, the way women are treated and unbelievers are subjugated, suppressed, oppressed or under attack. Have you not been to a southern Baptist church before?

          • Stagester

            You are joking right? In Saudi women are chattel, in a SB church they prey and worship next to men?? See the diff?

            The equating of how Muslims treat women, gays or unbelievers to Christians is ludicrous and only shows ignorance on a grand scale.

          • Amanda Lynn Case

            You are joking right? We claim to be a modern nation with equal rights for all! Yes, I can tell you are not a female!

          • Stagester

            Where is the maltreatment of women? I don’t need to be a woman to know if one is getting mistreated. You haven’t cited any cases because they don’t exist.

            Yet you equate some fantasy to actual cases of female circumcision, worshiping separately because women are unclean, honor killings, marrying children to men and polygamy. Your ignorance is enormous and you don’t help other women by equating what is basically slavery to cherishing women as most Christian men do.

          • Amanda Lynn Case

            I feel very sorry for the women in your life.

          • Stagester

            Since you won’t list any examples there is no way to have a conversation with you, all you do is ad homenim attacks which shows a failed argument. The women in my life love and enrich me. I am truly blessed by them. I somehow doubt you have that same blessing.

          • Amanda Lynn Case

            Did you not read my above response? Now, shall I get you a beer, prepare your dinner or spread my legs honey?

          • Stagester

            Its a shame you will never know or have a truly loving relationship. And I did read your post, but I blame your lack of comprehension to the poor state of our educational system.

          • Stagester

            Since you say you have read the Bible front and back (how can one read it backwards?) and the fact you obviously didn’t get under good preaching and were not then imbued with the Holy Spirit that would open your eyes and heart to the truth just means God didn’t choose you then and I can only hope he changes you so you can understand.

            I’ve already addressed the history and the history started with Muslims attacking and killing Christians and Jews in the Holy Land. They didn’t learn it from Christians, its in their Quran. But ignorance like yours is common so you have a lot of company.

          • wildjew

            Unlike Islam’s founder (the one President Obama told the United Nations, “the future does not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam,” after he lied about Benghazi) neither Moses nor Jesus were warlords. Islam was founded by a man who resembled Osama bin Laden. Come on. Have you studied the prophet Obama’s father’s followed?

          • Steven Hewett

            Think you’re directing your comment at the wrong person.

          • wildjew

            Sorry. I see now yours was a question, not a statement.

          • jackiecox

            Time changes all things Only Absolute Truth will survive time

          • Steven Hewett

            Just like the Mythical Thor, Athena, The Wizard of Oz, the Mythical Jesus will also fade away in time and logic and truth will rule!

          • Buzzd1

            Exactly, religion was fabricated to control the masses.

          • truthisliberty

            JESUS sacrifice for even his enemies is a path atheist don’t follow. Atheism is a path of self indulgence, a path of sinful excuses. God is so real, you really are here arguing against Him.

          • Steven Hewett

            Please, prove God is real! The bible is no proof, btw! As for myself I have never sinned nor am I self indulgent. I serve no master other than to make the world a better place to live for my fellow man!

          • John Campbell

            If you do not believe in God then how do you know what is a sin? If you claim to have never committed a sin, do you also walk on water?

          • Stagester

            You sir, are very self delusional.

          • Steven Hewett

            Yea, right! I’m the delusional one, hmmm, let me think for a second. I believe in reality and facts. You believe in a mythical, unseen, sky daddy that impregnated (raped) a 13 year old girl, to grow up to die for sins that supposedly we need forgiveness for from a God who made a so called perfect creation but had to destroy it with a flood only to have Noah have incest with his children to repopulate the planet and we’re all going to hell if we don’t believe the way YOU tell us too! Yeaaaaa, I think if you look into the mirror you’ll see the delusional one for sure.

          • Stagester

            You said you have never sinned yet you were born in sin. You are sinning just posting what you post here and all can see. You argue against something you don’t believe in and that’s delusional. You are illogical and delusional and unless God shows you his Grace you always will be.

          • Steven Hewett

            Hahahahaha, thanks needed a good laugh. Sorry, I wasn’t born into any sin, nor do I believe in sin. You go on and be happy in your delusional world of your fairytale you’ll be just fine. It’s a book, fairytale, myth, grow-up and see reality!

          • Steven Hewett
          • Carol Santos

            If you study your history, you will find the bible is quite accurate in almost all cases. The Jewish people were to careful to record their geneology as well as the events around them. And also many wise and practical lessons for a good life.

          • Steven Hewett

            Genealogy, tell me who’s linage Jesus is suppose to come from? I know the answer already, just want to see if you do.

          • Steven Hewett

            Man, in almost all cases the bible is quite accurate, thought is was infallible word of GOD, guess it’s NOT! Buddha taught many wise and practical lessons for a good life centuries before your mythical Jesus was even thought of, and the bible actually plagurized many of those principles. You can also look at just about any religion that exists teaches the same basic human principles, we don’t need a mythical God to know what is right and wrong, time and laws of society through logic and free thought brings this about!

          • truthisliberty

            Denying God and boasting in your own worth is being self righteous. Sin is your master and humbling yourself in Jesus name is your way to freedom. I will quote scripture all day everyday! You’re no one to demand i can’t.

          • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

            Really? Then why are there so many Atheists in the military protecting those who cannot be bothered?

          • Steven Hewett

            Exactly, I was one of those and many fellow soldiers I know are Atheist protecting and defending our Constitution and way of life.

          • John Campbell

            People of many religions also serve, but I don’t see them on the forums condemning God, the Bible, nor even atheists. Of course I’m reminded that when I was in school we had a career counselor who was in the infantry during WW II. His eyes blinked constantly and rapidly. An effect from being caught in an artillery barage of long duration. He stated that when the shells started falling there were no atheists in the foxhole.

          • Carolyn Smith

            Obviously you haven’t read the New Testament and the teachings of Jesus. Also GOD never promoted subjugation of women. Sometimes men have their own ideas.

          • Steven Hewett

            Obviously, you are ignorant of you own beliefs, because if you believe the bible to be the word of your god, man was only the instrument in writing down gods word. Therefore, the bible is the word of GOD! You are not to speak or teach men, we are to teach you, know your place, women! You do know that is sarcasm, right! God certainly subjugated women into serving man for all time. Do you just cherry pick the parts of the bible you like and ignore the rest? I know many a preacher that would put you in your place!

          • John Campbell

            You know of these preachers? So you spend a great deal of time in church?

          • Carolyn Smith

            My dear lost Steven, I believe the Bible to be INSPIRED by God, not written word for word by Him. A lot of the Bible is also from the culture of the time. One must know how to discern which is which. I ,myself, do not claim to be able to do so. No one person or denomination has all the answers. As Methodists , we draw our beliefs from scripture, history , and common sense. As for the roll of women, have you heard of Debra? She was a judge in Bible days. There were several women who were prophets, judges or had a leading roll of some kind.

          • Steven Hewett

            I assure you I’m not lost by any means. You are not my judge! You’re free to believe in any way you wish, I have no problem with that, just don’t tell me your right and I’m wrong, clearly only based upon what you think, just as I stated what I believe and think. We can debate the bible till you die, will not change the facts the it is only a belief with no factual evidence to support it or your religion. But for you and others in here it make you feel empowered to tell others they are wrong and you’re right. I have yet to have any one in this forum to tell me I’m entitled to believe as I chose to living in a FREE country to believe or not! I just disagree with your assessment and absolutest attitude the you are right beyond any doubt! So please stay in your little world of belief, just stay out of mine! Clearly, the NEW TESTAMENT puts women in their place 1 Timothy 2:12 King James BibleBut I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

            Please be silent! That’s God’s words not mine!

          • Patti_Mi

            Obviously you’ve never read the bible.

          • Steven Hewett

            And obviously, you can’t read where I said I have, several times with eyes wide open and without your blinders that ignore the truth about the lies, inconsistencies, and contradictions. You’re the one that hasn’t read the bible you may read the candy coated parts and ignore the rest because you want to believe in a better life than the one you’re living and that’s ok. I’m not telling you not to believe in your mythical jesus. Just don’t try to shove it down my throat and I’ll not shove mine down yours, but when you people as you do on a daily basis attempt to make others believe as you do I’ll stand up and express MY beliefs just as loud!

          • John Campbell

            Believe what you wish, even if it’s wrong. I can lead a horse to water, but I cannot make him drink.

            What I can tell you is the founders of this nation did draw upon a Christian view, but also from their knowledge of world history as well as their own history. People who find fault with God and Jesus also tend to wrongly assign the acts of man to God. If you’re neighbor commits a murder was it God who did it or was it a man? Blame God if you wish, but God gave you free will and a life to test you with. How you score at the end is up to you and God.

          • Steven Hewett

            WOW, even if it is wrong, I bow down to you infinite knowledge of the world and confess I’m wrong, NO I don’t think so, but I had you going for a second. I will believe as do billions of other people who don’t believe in this fairytale. As for free will, God gave us free will, that is a false statement. True free will has no punishment attached to it. Chose me or burn in hell is not a free choice! YOU can tell me the founders draw upon a christian view. WOW, I didn’t know you were there! You are incorrect, our Constitution is a secular constitution and if you would look or knew anything about the history of our founders and the nation you’d know they did not want religion to be a part government, which is clearly seen by ZERO reference to any god or religion other than the two enabling an INDIVIDUAL’S freedom of religious choice (or NONE) and no oath to a God requirement. You read to many David Barton fictions novels about the founding of this nation.

          • John Campbell

            “True free will has no punishment attached to it.”

            Where’s this new definition of free will? I’ve not seen it. If you decide to jump off the Empire State building you probably are going to receive some kind of a penalty for such an act.

            SPLAT!

          • Steven Hewett

            No, you’re not going to receive any penalty, you made that choice knowing the end result and it was YOUR own choice. The SPLAT is what you want the end result to be. Whereas, God is telling you chose me or ELSE! Sorry, John poor example. Truly “free will” does not have set conditions on the choices you make by punishing you for making a decision, not the one a God wants you to make, what an egocentrically God that requires worship me or I punish you!

          • John Campbell

            Well, it’s like this. God didn’t have to make you and he could reverse that decision at anytime without notice. As for me, I’m kinda happy that he did make me. I get to be here with you having this great discussion that I couldn’t have had otherwise.

            Of course if I change that example to instead suggest that someone told you to stay off the thin ice, but you exercised your free will to not listen and just do as you please, then the result can be your suffering, abject
            horror/fear, and ultimate departure. After all, you exercised your free will. The penalty is yours.

            (blub,blub, blub:o)

          • Steven Hewett

            Trying to insert some type of authority by using the GOD word as if that makes you right! Yawnnnnnnnnn! I’m pretty sure my mother and father made me and no one other than myself has the authority to reverse that and that’s not going to happen. The examples you give really are no examples of a God having you choice to worship and accept him or burn forever in a hell.

            This is my last posting I have winter solstice to prepare for, since that is really the reason for the season!

          • John Campbell

            It’s all up to you. It’s your God given free will. Word of advice though, Stay off the thin ice. ;o)

            Have a very merry Christmas. :o)

          • Steven Hewett

            Your god did not give me anything, nothing can give nothing! Happy Winter Solstice!

          • Carolyn Smith

            I am all for live and let live. There has been debate on here about Christianity and Islam. The biggest difference I see is that Christians are not cutting off the heads of those who wont convert. I admit there are some Christians who are quite pushy but the majority of us will lay it out there for you and you can take it or leave it. Its no skin off our nose. We are told to spread the Word , not to convert. The conversion part is not our job. You certainly have right to express your belief. Now as for the Bible stuff, As I said before, I believe the Bible to be inspired by God. There are those that take everything in it as literal. I do not. I don’t believe any of it to be a lie. I do however believe and know for a fact that there are inconsistencies and contradictions but not on anything pertinent or of much importance. As one of our preachers once said, There is enough that is accurate to show us what we need to know and how to live to be pleasing to Him. Now I know I am gonna get some thumbs down from your side and some from the Christian side too for saying there are contradictions. Oh well, cant please everyone. God knows what`s in my heart and only He can judge a person, thank goodness. Are you surprised we agree at least on something?! :-) Also , I`m gonna take this time to say, I do not believe an atheist is a bad person just because they don’t accept God. As long as they let me have my belief and don’t try to make me keep it under a bushel, I am perfectly willing to let them have theirs and they can feel free to talk about it too. Just don’t ridicule me for mine.

          • Steven Hewett

            No Christians don’t behead in this day and age they just BURN you to death: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5qYhmf-boE&feature=player_embedded&bpctr=1387920920

            This is not the only video, just google Christian burning gays and witches! You need to wake up and take off those rose colored glasses.

            “I don’t believe any of it to be a lie. I do however believe and know for a fact that there are inconsistencies and contra dictions but not on anything pertinent or of much importance.”

            You contradict yourself. If this is the word of the perfect God then he/she cannot be inconsistent nor contradict himself, this is no God as one would believe it to be.

          • Steven Hewett
          • jackiecox

            the words of man are unable to describe the realm of our creator, so magnificent, Consider an entity capable of designing Nature, earth, sun, our Universe. Then some demented human comes along stating the word ” Christian God ” as if this person had a clue of anything close to the reality we know, without considering the spectrums we are yet to to discover. Thinking about the chronological time line of humanity, religion, as we know it, we know we were once more primitive than now, and are also aware we are being led into our future by the great spirit of truth, our ancient writings came from many languages, and in those primitive times we were what we were then, and even now we are still primitive to what we will discover in our future, if we survive the predatroy demonic plague of ignorance that trys to destroy our search for truth, finding common ground in spirituality, a reality beyond our comprehension, but we try as did our ancestors, may we succeed, in spit of the demons of ignorance—MERRY CHRISTMAS—as we celebrate christ, recorded in many cultures during his short time on earth when he led us into real truths, continuing on today with hope for a better tomorrow, even in the face of demonic ignorance. having once again gained power over the world.

          • AnnaGraceS

            Wow, are you ever ignorant!!

          • Jay Alan

            Was God a Christian? I doubt it. Jesus himself was not a Christian, but a Jew.

          • Mary Hunter

            Many people have been killed in the name of religion and many people have used the word to hide behind that have nothing to do with real religion but that has nothing to do with there being a God.

          • wildjew

            Are there times your faith compels you to kill? How about self defense or to preserve liberty? God told Moses and Joshua to expel these evil peoples from the Holy Land. Was He wrong? If it were not for people of faith here in America, my guess is the U.S. might look like much of Europe by now; England, Holland; France. Christian believers (devout Christians) are among the few people here in the U.S. that recognize Obama’s religion as a mortal if not an existential threat. Why is that?

          • Mary Hunter

            Obama is not even in this discussion- and I do not see self defence or liberty as having anything to do with religion.

          • JackGalt

            then look harder. Micah 6:8 is a good starting point.

          • wildjew

            You don’t think Obama’s background and his deep sympathies for the world of Islam have anything to do with this increased assault on non-Muslim people of faith? My faith is largely based on liberty –freedom from subjugation and slavery as the world Obama comes from would have it. That was the whole notion of the Exodus from Egypt; freedom from slavery. Remember?

          • Jim

            You clearly have never been to Europe have you? Guess what, they don’t have check stops . gun deaths and the patriot act. Much more freedom over there. I would guess you are one of those ignorant americans that doesn’t even own a passport.

          • wildjew

            I need to renew my expired passport. She told me I have five years from the expiration date. I think they are good for ten years. I see what is going on in England, Holland, etc., – how Muslims take over entire city blocks for prayer, how a Muslim hacked a British soldier to death with a butcher knife in the streets of London – thanks to bloggers and the Internet. I am thankful for the computer age because if I had to rely on the major networks I wouldn’t have a clue about most of the Muslim on non-Muslim violence in Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and North Africa. I would not see much of what Obama’s people are doing to my people. Thank God for alternative media!

          • Jim

            I would need a lot more space to document all the examples of violence in America. However you focus on the muslim guy in Britain if it makes you feel better.

          • wildjew

            Of those “Christians” who committed violence in America that the left likes to drag out, Timothy McVeigh (who was not a Christian believer) or some guy who killed an abortionist, I would like to know how they base their violence on the teachings of Jesus who was not a violent man.

          • Carolyn Smith

            Exactly. Those who commit crimes in the name of Christianity are not true Christians. They do not have the Holy Spirit in them and do not have a true relationship with God. They have no understanding of the Word of God.

          • wildjew

            They were not followers of Jesus but they saw themselves as true Christians as did Germans who followed their Fuhrer, who also thought he was doing God’s will.

          • Jim

            How about we drag out the right wing killing of tens of thousands of iraqis?

          • wildjew

            How about we drag out leftist hero FDR killing not tens of thousands, but hundreds of thousands (nearly one million) German civilians?

          • Jim

            I thought the Germans declared war? I don’t recall the Iraqis declaring war. But hey..no need to deal with facts when you are a right wing nut case huh?

          • wildjew

            After 9/11 and all of Bush’s lies, I was not an advocate for Bush’s wars. Egypt and Syria massively mobilized on Israel’s borders, 1967 and 1973. A left wing nut case says, “wait until they attack first?” Iran is threatening to wipe Israel off the map while developing the means to do it. Wait until Iran declares war? Germany swallowed up Austria, Czecholosvakia, Poland? Left wing nut cases like Jim and Charles Lindbergh would have us wait until the Na zis declared war against the U.S.? Are you a loon or what?

          • Jim

            This is a joke right? Why don’t we start by counting how many countries America has bombed in the last 50 years and how many countries Iran has bombed? Sell stupid somewhere else.

          • wildjew

            I don’t need to sell stupid to you Jim. Ever heard of Iran’s murderous proxy Hezbollah? How about Hamas? How many rockets have there two fired into Israel? How many suicide bombings in various parts of the world is Iran responsible for? How many innocents have these two Iranian proxies murdered via bombings. Iran had a hand in the 9/11 atrocities in New York and Washington. Jim, “stupid is as stupid does.” “Does” you do any homework?

          • Jim

            Iran’s proxy by murder? rofl….ever heard of the largest gun dealer in the world murder by proxy? iran doesn’t even come close to your war crimes. Sell stupid somewhere else.

          • wildjew

            Where do you live? In what country? I’m guessing you live in the country that committed all kinds of war crimes and somehow you have reconciled yourself to it.

          • Jim

            Canada….Hardly a war crimes country. The difference between Canadians and Americans is when we do make mistakes we don’t try and justify them. The propaganda in your country is enough to make a thinking person vomit.

          • wildjew

            “From the late 18th century, European Canadians encouraged Aboriginals to assimilate into their own culture, referred to as “Canadian culture”. These attempts reached a climax in the late 19th and early 20th centuries with forced integration. Because of laws and policies that encouraged or required Aboriginals to assimilate into a Eurocentric society, Canada may have violated the United Nations Genocide Convention that Canada signed in 1949 and passed through Parliament in 1952…”

            No question Canada’s history of conquest and expropriation of native lands does not compare to America’s example or America’s hegemony over other nations but the United States, unlike Canada is a global empire (not unlike Rome to whom it is compared) that is undergoing steep decline, especially under this current president. I don’t like the way the United States has been exerting immoral pressure on Israel, though you probably agree with the U.S. policy on that. So there you have it. I am not here to defend American wrongs. In spite of the injustices America has committed (most honest Americans can acknowledge them) I would not call the United States a state sponsor of terrorism notwithstanding what Obama’s twenty year racist pastor alleges.

          • Jim

            Yea ..but we feel it sure beat the genocide you committed.

          • wildjew

            I am a stranger and a sojourner here in America. My ancestors are from Israel and before that Mesopotamia. I am a guest here; for now. I plan on immigrating to my homeland. You can say I am a “beneficiary” of Indian removal here in Florida as are most Americans beneficiaries. We know Seminole Indians (who came down to Fla. from the Creek nation) lived here in this region until General Jackson and others removed them. How many nations, including European ones, do not live on lands taken from former occupants? Do you know? I wonder.

          • Jim

            You clearly don’t know the history. i suggest you read “Bury my heart at wounded knee” by “dee brown” It is a historical account that will bring tears to your eyes. The atrocities are appalling.

          • wildjew

            I have Brown’s book, both from Audible.com and hard copy. I have Robert V. Remeni’s “Andrew Jackson and His Indian Wars.” I’ve got “The Cherokee Nation and the Trail Of Tears,” by Thea Perdue and Michael D. Green among others. I have several books on white European conquest, forced removal and expropriation of Indian and Mexican lands. I DO indeed know the history. With America on the front lines of this international effort to take our land (the land of Israel) and give it to jihadists, why do you think I want to know this history here in North America?

          • Jim

            Your Land? Is this a joke?

          • wildjew

            Gen 17:7 “I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you.

            “I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

            What is a joke to you is God Almighty; the One who gave you life and who gives you your every breath. You hate Him. You despise Him.

            Go away. Spout your hatred to someone else. I don’t have time for degenerate haters like you.

          • Jim

            Yea sure….the fairy tale book..

          • Jim

            the good old goebbels propaganda technique. “if you don’t agree with me, you are a hater” Bush tried it to with “either your with me or against me” The feeble minded fall for that crap.

          • wildjew

            I did not vote to re-elect Bush because he was dishonest. Your “Yea sure….the fairy tale book…” when speaking of the law of Moses, comes not from reasoned conviction or honest research, an open mind or from good will, but from bigotry and hatred. That is what you have, a bigoted, hateful heart. I know it. You know it. You aren’t fooling me.

          • Jim

            You think you invented this approach? All people that commit evil deeds accuse those that oppose them of various nastiness. You are nothing more than a repetition of the worst of humanity.

          • wildjew

            I don’t commit evil deeds. Do you?

          • Jim

            Of course you do. Using your religion to justify atrocities against the palestinians.. Not very original are you?

          • wildjew

            Atrocities. The 9/11/2001 Islamic attacks in New York and Washington were atrocities. What atrocities has Israel committed?

          • Jim

            I think besides the terrorist attacks on the King David hotel, the slaughtering of palestinian children would classify as an atrocity.

          • JibberFU

            Yeeha!

          • Guest

            You know Russia is the place to live if you a Christian, you’d love that place, put people in jail for being gay, speak out against the church, etc…wait a minute that should just like the Church! Still a nice place you can move to since the US is and never will be your christian nation.

          • Steven Hewett

            You know Russia is the place to live if you’re a Christian, you’d love that place, Putin is putting people in jail for being gay, speaking out against the church, etc…wait a minute that sounds just like the Church! Still a nice place you can move too since the US is and never will be your christian nation.

          • wildjew

            Don’t get me wrong. I do not want to live in a theocracy, Christian, Muslim or Jewish theocracy in line with theocracies I have seen historically. I am thankful America’s Founders were the kind of men (sons of the Enlightenment; religiously tolerant, etc.) they were and not theocrats. On the other hand, I respect Christian believers. Christians, more than most here in the United States recognize a foe when they see one. Most conservative Christians see Barack Obama for the foe that he is. I am grateful for that.

          • Steven Hewett

            Those same right-wing evangelical christians would put you in prison or kill you if they had the chance if you didn’t live the life they want you to live. History is filled with many of them i.e. the Puritans and Quakers both subjugated they believes and if you stepped out of line you were banished, i.e. Anne Hutchinson. Former Pres. Bush was no better, lied about WMD’s. No President is perfect. However, religious liberty and freedom for ALL is the basis of our constitution. NOT freedom of religion as long as you believe it is MY religion.

          • wildjew

            You think today’s devout Christians are no different from Cotton Mather of the Salem Witch Trials fame? If given the power, you think there would be brutality quite unlike anything we’ve seen in this country? You could be right. I don’t know.

            Former President Bush (I voted for him in 2000) lied about Islam (repeatedly), he protected the Saudis who were up to their necks in the September atrocities. To me, Bush was a phony Christian. A charlatan. Worse, Bush sold out Israel and he lied about Israel occupying Muslim land that Bush sought to give to the jihadists.

            If there is one thing I find it hard to forget or forgive it is the millions of American Christians who stood shoulder to shoulder with Bush as he sold out Israel and the God of Israel. Americans Christians brought shame and disgrace due to their standing by Bush as Bush broke the Everlasting Covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob .

          • babbott

            George Washington wasn’t concerned about the horrendous religion you are referring to because they weren’t even in this country until the 20th century. He was talking about Christianity, the only true religion. We have fallen a long way since Washington’s time now that we have a president who regularly applauds the religion of hate and talks about the many “accomplishments” they have made to the U.S., while being very careful not to mention a specific one because he knows they don’t exist.

          • wildjew

            But didn’t Bush (I voted for him in 2000) betray us after Islam attacked America on 9/11? Didn’t Bush mislead the American people about the religion of Barack Obama’s birth? I expect this from the left. Did you expect these untruths from a self-professed Christian conservative?

          • babbott

            “Didn’t Bush mislead the American people about the religion of Barack Obama’s birth?”

            He absolutely did NOT. That was Hillary Clinton when she was running against Obama for the Presidency in 2008. And when Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate, he was described in the media as the “first Kenyan-born Senator”. So you can’t blame that about Bush. The only people who have ever misled the American people about anything concerning Barack Obama is Obama himself and his supporters.

            How do you think Bush “betrayed us” after 9/11?

          • wildjew

            George W. Bush, September 20, 2001 before a joint session of Congress and the American people:

            “I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It’s practiced freely by many millions of Americans and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah. (This is simply not true)

            (APPLAUSE)

            The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. (A lie!)

            The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them. (Bush did everything in his power to protect Saudi Arabia who was up to her neck supporting al-Qaeda and the murderous ideology responsible for the September attacks.)

          • babbott

            “Didn’t Bush mislead the American people about the religion of Barack Obama’s birth?”

            Since Obama claims he was born in Hawaii, and his mother was a white woman, what makes you think that Islam is the “religion of Barack Obama’s birth”? How does a newborn adhere to any religion? How does a speech Bush made to Congress in September of 2001 have any bearing on Barack Obama? How many times have you heard Obama “mislead the American people”?

          • wildjew

            It does not matter what I think. It is what Islam and Islamic law says and thinks. I am a Jew according to Jewish law because my mother is a Jew. Obama’s father was a Jew. According to Islamic law Obama is Muslim. Obama claims he converted to Christianity but Obama’s twenty year pastor is not sure he did. If he did, he is apostate according to Islam. Most Muslims see Obama as a fellow Muslim. It does not matter what you or I think.

            Barack Obama, al-Azhar University, Cairo, Egypt (June 2009) excerpts:

            “…..As the Holy Koran tells us, “Be conscious of god (Allah) and speak always the truth.” That is what I will try to do – to speak the truth as best I can…I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed…my father came from a Kenyan family that includes generations of Muslims. As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and heard the call of the azaan at the break of dawn and at the fall of dusk…..And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear….Much has been made of the fact that an African-American with the name Barack Hussein Obama could be elected President….” etc.

          • babbott

            “It does not matter what I think. It is what Islam and Islamic law says and thinks”

            Not in the U.S. as long ad the constitution is still valid. Most people in the U.S. don’t care what “Islam and Islamic law says and thinks”. It is our politicians who are so politically correct that they refuse to see what Islam is doing to the world and beginning to do in the U.S.

          • wildjew

            Obama opens his mouth, he is lying.

          • emiliani

            To be honest, that’s pretty much why no one much ascribes to those types of values anymore–the rolling tide has moved on. It’s hard to maintain religious faith, a consistent ethics, and values without a personal, Eternal God and Law Giver. Their beliefs have decayed over time into agnosticism, outright atheism, or conversion to a more formalized religious faith. Washington-like faith is hard to maintain for very long.

          • woodgrain

            I never understood the “fearing” part. What is there to fear from someone who forgives you?

          • wildjew

            Because the God my forefathers worshiped was indeed a merciful, gracious and forgiving God but first and foremost He is a God of justice or judgment. I have not always received from God what I deserved but life has not been a bed of roses either. I have paid for my sins. That is where the fear of God comes from.

          • dmcmullen560

            The fear mentioned is use as reverence (sorry for the mis-speiled word)

          • JackGalt

            Our founders knew of Islam…what they referred to as Mohametans. They never considered it a religion. In their frame of reference the only religions recognized the G-d of the Bible.

          • Patti_Mi

            When the founding fathers spoke about religion they meant Christianity.

          • wildjew

            Do you think Thomas Jefferson was a Christian as you understand Christianity? Washington often spoke about the hand of providence. He referred to “that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be.”

            I do not think Jefferson believed Jesus was or equal to God Almighty. Jefferson did not believe in the Trinity or the virgin birth. I read Jefferson took a razor to his New Testament, cutting and pasting verses he could accept by reasoned conviction. He came up with his own bible.

          • John Campbell

            Precisely the opposite of what you speak. Read the history and the Federalist Papers.

            I made this reply to someone else earlier:

            It would seem that they did in the Declaration of independence and in
            the First Amendment. Recognizing that religion had earlier been exploited via man in the church and a man as the King, thus guarding against such for the future, doesn’t fail to recognize that God is God
            and man is corruptible. To the contrary.

          • wildjew

            What is precisely opposite of what I speak?

            I wrote: “You don’t think Obama’s background and his deep sympathies for the world of Islam have anything to do with this increased assault on non-Muslim people of faith?”

            Where am I wrong?

          • John Campbell

            OOPS!!!

            Well, I’m starting to think I blew it. Possibly responded to the wrong post. The person this was in reply to was claiming that the founders were not a religious people and that Christianity had nothing to do with our Constitution.

            I brought up Dashboard to try to find the context, but it doesn’t match the conversation and I can’t seem to find the post I was replying to either. I don’t know how this happened. Just not my day, I guess. :o)

            My bad.

          • Dionysius John

            Yeah. Christianity has done all of that in its time… wake up…

          • Amonite

            The majority of founders were Christians and believed in salvation through Christ. Many had seminary degrees or the equivalent in self-study. A few others were deists, and there were a couple athiests. Ironically Ben Franklin, a deist, was probably more devout than most nominal christians of today [he is the one that demanded congress open with prayer]. It’s interesting that school mostly highlights the deists (Jefferson, Franklin), while leaving out many founders of equal or more importance.

            http://candst.tripod.com/founder1.htm
            http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/qtable.htm

          • wildjew

            I’m not saying you are wrong. Can you produce anything in writing from George Washington’s hand (one of the most important Founders) to the effect that salvation only comes through belief in Jesus?

          • Amonite

            “… General Washington had a pew in Pohick Church, and one in Christ Church at Alexandria. He was very instrumental in establishing Pohick Church, and I believe subscribed largely….It was his custom to retire to his library at nine or ten o’clock, where he remained an hour before he went to his chamber. He always rose before the sun, and remained in his library until called to breakfasdt [sic]. I never witnessed his private devotions. I never inquired about them. I should have thought it the greatest heresy to doubt his firm belief in Christianity. His life, his writings, prove that he was a Christian. He was not one of those who act or pray, “that they may be seen of men.” He communed with his God in secret… Is it necessary that any one should certify, “General Washington avowed himself to me a believer in Christianity?” As well may we question his patriotism, his heroic, disinterested devotion to his country. His mottos were, “Deeds, not Words”; and, “For God and my Country.”" -Eleanor Lewis (Washington’s adopted granddaughter)

            http://www.ushistory.org/valleyforge/youasked/060.htm

            The idea of Washington as a deist is a modern one (past 70 years or so). Deists view God as a distant entity, wheras Washington thought God was quite involved in the affairs of men. Yet because Washington did not specifically write of Christ in his letters, people claim he was not a christian because of that. (While simultaneously ignoring all other evidence of his faith).

            He claimed himself to be a Christian, to support the Christian religion, and supported the Christian religion by requiring chaplains for the army and promoting regular sunday services. He presided over several baptisms (which is the open testimony of salvation in Christ). His church life and position as a vestryman would have had him ascribe/repeat frequently the Apostles Creed ““…I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord…”

            He went to church regularly (including a church named ‘Christ church’)

            ““I heard a fine example today, namely, that His Excellency General Washington rode around among his army yesterday and admonished each and every one to fear God, to put away the wickedness that has set in and become so general, and to practice the Christian virtues. From all appearances, this gentleman does not belong to the so-called world of society, for he respects God’s Word, believes in the atonement through Christ, and bears himself in humility and gentleness. Therefore, the Lord God has also singularly, yea, marvelously, preserved him from harm in the midst of countless perils, ambuscades, fatigues, etc., and has hitherto graciously held him in His hand as a chosen vessel.” Henry Muhlenburg (pastor of the Lutheran church near Valley Forge)

            ““Washington was constant in the observance of worship, according to the received forms of the Episcopal Church.” -James Madison

            “You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. ” – George Washington, in an address to the Delaware Indians

            “We derive a presage even more flattering from the piety of your character. Public virtue is the most certain means of public felicity, and religion is the surest basis of virtue. We therefore esteem it a peculiar happiness to behold in our Chief Magistrate, a steady, uniform, avowed friend of the Christian religion; who has commenced his administration in rational and exalted sentiments of piety; and who, in his private conduct, adorns the doctrines of the gospel of Christ; and on the most public and solemn occasions, devoutly acknowledges the government of Divine Providence.” -General Assembly of the Presbyterian churches in the united states in a letter to George Washington, 1789

            If then the people of his own time, and his own relatives, affirmed Washington’s faith in Christ and devotion to God, it seems quite arbitrary to say 2 centuries later that “because he does not fit the mold of a christian in my personal view by doing XYZ he must not have been”.

            Christianity is not works-based. It is belief in Christ alone (and not anything one writes) that saves.

          • wildjew

            “You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. ” – George Washington, in an address to the Delaware Indians…

            What did Washington think was the religion of Jesus? The law of Moses and the prophets?

          • Amonite

            The law of Moses and the prophets is old testament/old covenant. Washington ascribed to the Christian Bible, which is the old testament + the new testament. He would have ascribed to the new covenant, which is salvation in Christ alone.

            If he only believed in the law and the prophets, he would have been a jew.

          • Amanda Lynn Case

            Or that fundamental Christians can be so extreme in their views as to promote hate.

          • auntielib

            Not only was Washington a “God-fearing man”, he was also someone who read his Bible faithfully, prayed faithfully, and openly referred to Christ as his Lord. But yes, he didn’t go to a church that had overhead projectors and a “praise team”, if that’s what made you say he wouldn’t “be considered to be an Evangelical Christian”.

          • wildjew

            I do not think Washington repeatedly or openly referred to Christ as his Lord. I’ve seen a quote wherein he recommended to an Indian tribe the religion of Jesus Christ. What was the religion of Jesus as he saw it other than God’s word to Moses, the prophets, etc.?

          • Sue Ann Carey

            I do not think that these good men ever thought that our world would ever become as vile and filled with hatred towards what they believed to be true. That abhorrent behavior would become the norm and principles would be hated. It is a sad state of affairs we are in today.

        • Jim

          The founding fathers were slave owners. Hardly worthy of a Godly example.

          • teila

            They owned slaves, sold slaves, regularly raped slaves (common among slave owners), killed slaves, discriminated against immigrants, and treated native societies like animals. There was nothing “christian” about our founding fathers… they were smart worldly men who simply “played church” just like most politicians (and purported christians) do today.

          • Jim

            You are absolutely correct.

          • Ron Sorrells

            Jim:
            Few Founders ever owned any slaves. As a matter of fact, The Tribes in Africa captured those that they cared little for and “sold them into slavery” very much like Joseph’s Brothers did him as witnessed in The Holy Bible. People of Black, Brown, Red, Yellow or White have ancestors that committed acts that we today consider reprehensible but no race, color or creed should be held accountable of those that preceded them ! To do so is “PREJUDICIAL” and flies in the face of “ANY SENSE OF LOGIC”. Semper Fidelis, Ron.

          • Jim

            Thomas Jefferson was a huge slave owner and one of the most influential founding fathers. Even those that did not own slaves did nothing to stop it. If you worship the founding fathers and hold them on a pedestal as an example then you certainly are culpable. You can’t have it both ways. That is illogocal. That would be like saying hitler was a great man who I follow his example but I am not responsible for killing jews. Idiotic.

        • teila

          What on earth, does what the founding fathers did have anything even remotely to do with what’s right, wrong, or discriminatory? Nothing is what. The founding fathers beat slaves half to death, and had sex regular sex with slave women while cheating on their wives. This country was not predicated on founding fathers hell bent on Christian principles. It was built by opportunists who stepped on others in there political and monetary pursuits… to include persecuting/discriminating against Catholics in and out of government (mockery of the Constitution).

          You being a Christian is great, but you’re an embarrassment because you’ve gulped far too much “founding father”

          • John Campbell

            The words of …..?

        • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

          But is sure didnt appear in the constitution now did it?

          • John Campbell

            It would seem that they did in the Declaration of independence and in the First Amendment. Recognizing that religion had earlier been exploited via man in the church and a man as the King, thus guarding against such for the future, doesn’t fail to recognize that God is God and man is corruptible. To the contrary.

          • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

            The declaration of Independence is not the law. it was a letter to a king and has nothing to do with the (much later) construction of the laws of the United States of America.

          • John Campbell

            So the reasons for our separation and subsequent building of our own government had nothing to do with each other. The founders never discussed this in the Federalist Papers and the First Amendment has nothing to do with religion.

            Got it.

      • princesssong

        Hey Wildjew, James will find out really soon, that God is real. It is a shame that he let’s Satan use him though.

        • Buzzd1

          And there is no satan. Honestly, I support your right to believe in whatever you like…but religion was fabricated to control the masses…to give them a moral compass…but some people have evolved and can have morals without the threat of burning in eternal fire.

          • princesssong

            Sorry Buzzd1, I didn’t respond sooner, didn’t see the email. There really is Satan, but I know you don’t want to believe that.. He uses people on a daily basis. He loves to cause pain, and disease, among other things.,Satan will tell you not to listen, don’t believe the stupid people etc.. Just be still and listen one day, don’t ask others, No TV, radio, cell phone, just listen and watch what is going on around you, I don’t want you to miss all the good that God wants you to have in life.. Happy New Year to you..

          • Buzzd1

            I don’t have the distractions that you speak of…sorry. I am one of the people you say I should stop and watch. I treat everyone the same way I want to be treated…even better. I give a smile and a kind word to everyone I make eye contact with. So you know, I deal with people who are in their darkest moments of their life, and do my best to bring light to it. I give the shirt off my back to help those who I see need it. I follow the golden rule, and I do this all in the name of…me. Not because I will burn in an eternal fire, and be cursed by some entity, but because this is the way people should treat other people, this is he way each and every human should act…of their own free will. Satan was created as a scapegoat thousands of years ago to explain away things that didn’t go the way the ancients planned. To provide a simple explanation to things that were unexplainable. So glad the world has progressed! Happy new year as well…and please don’t read this with any sort of tone other than a soft spoken, conversational one, as that’s the only way I talk.

        • Jim

          I hope you were a virgin on your wedding night because the bible says if you weren’t you should be killed.

          • princesssong

            Jim I actually was! Not many of those huh.

      • Patti_Mi

        … and grossly arrogant?

      • CrystalClaire

        There is obviously exists, ‘God enough’ to make him angry.

      • RobertLaity

        He said there is no ‘god”. God,on the other hand, capital “G” is alive and well.

      • JibberFU

        Of course there is no god, corpse brain. If there was a god he would have provided you with a brain with the power of critical thought, instead you got some knock-down cheap-ass PoS that that can’t tell and arse from an elbow.

        • wildjew

          If there is no God, how do you explain that you got pretty much what you had coming in this life, on this earth?

          • JibberFU

            That sentence barely makes any sense, ‘jew, are you having a stroke?

          • wildjew

            It makes no sens to a Na zi or a skin head or a white supremacist, etc. jibber, because you are one of them or some other kind of low life.

          • JibberFU

            Oh dear ‘jew. You are still making no sense.

            If you are not currently undergoing a trepanning procedure, could you start one now, please? It will do you good in the long run.

      • Gear-shone

        There are currently 2500 gods being worshipped. Which god do you mean, or which combination of gods?

        • wildjew

          There are precisely 2500 gods being worshiped? Where did you get that number. I think it is 2503 gods being worshiped.

          • Gear-shone

            It’s 2505. I added two more, the “Parking God, which if prayed to is inclined to give you a ringside parking space” and the “supply god” which gives good things in the dumpster.

    • 9400budlang8406

      Yep! Your just one big accident of evolution. But wait, everything is in a state of decay. Science says so. All that decays, decays downward. Evolution requires upward growth….boy something is really wrong here. Maybe there really is a creator God.

    • grannykate62

      Moron, guess you never been in battle

      • jackrabbit42

        There are NO atheists in a foxhole!!

        • grannykate62

          Nor in a submarine!

        • Buzzd1

          You’re correct, because the atheist took it upon himself to fight his own way out of it, instead of sitting there and waiting for a supreme being to deliver him from harm.

    • mkucher99

      keep strumming, you self centered arrogant fool. you are right! everything was created by James Smith. I am so happy for you. you have created a world for yourself in which you will live and die alone. you are as much as a fanatic as those you rail against. MY God is going to bless you because i have asked him to……not because your ignorance or arrogance deserves it. MERRY CHRISTmas blind man

      • Jimbo Velasquez

        Denying GOD is rewarded with eternal damnation

        • Chico Hinojos

          im Glad to know obama and his followers destination,gives me a sense of peace

          • teila

            Spoken like a “Sunday” Christian. If you are a Christian, you are the type that gives Christianity a bad name.

      • Chico Hinojos

        God will not bless this God hater,if he deny JESUS ,Jesus will deny him

        • pandainc

          Amen. I was just about to say that …

    • Ray Rittenhouse

      Only one here arrogant here is you…If anyone believes or not,Its not up to you to call him ARROGANT..LOL Delusional Fool LOL..Good-by Troll

      • rob6065

        Now now children. Can’t we all just play nice with one another on here. Peace and goodwill to all.

        • floramae

          PLEASE, there will be peace and goodwill till we get this heinous movement toward tyranny STOPPED!!

          • BlueMax372

            The Christmas tree is nice to look at, but let’s not forget that the time is near to re-nourish the Tree of Liberty!

        • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

          Some people don’t celebrate peace, so you can’t say Peace! ;-)

          • rob6065

            Your right Alessandra. This is Obamerica now. Can’t start trouble, can we. HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

      • Chico Hinojos

        looks who’s talking,youre judging him ,as you think you have the right too,huummmmmmmmmmmmm”

    • DirtyDeedsDoneDirtCheap

      James Smith I hope you have a Merry Christmas with family who actually not only uses the word Christmas, but worships the Lord our Savior. If not, well happy Festuvus, you miserable anti-Christian Bigot!!!

    • Jan

      you stupid pos, are you a member of obama’s islamic brotherhood?

      • Chico Hinojos

        butt deep he is

    • Donna E Turner

      The first amendment to the Constitution of the United States prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech. The Department of Defense is in violation of the very Constitution it is sworn to defend. The religious rights of its men are being infringed and your arrogant rejoinder about proving the existence of God is quite beside the point. However, since you are so abysmally ignorant of the current trends in math and physics, I will give you something to ruminate over in this sacred season: Roger Penrose, quoted in Spitzer’s “New Proofs for the Existence of God” (nota bene that word “proofs”) says the odds of our anthropic universe arising amidst the total phase-space volume of possible universes for a creation event is so exceedingly, exceedingly, exceedingly remote that its notation in regular exponential form is one part in 10 to the 123 power. This number is so large, that if we were to write it out in ordinary notation(with every zero being say 10 point type) it would fill up a large portion of the universe!//In the absence of natural explanation for this highly improbable occurrence, many physicists have concluded that our universe was influenced by a supernatural designing intelligence.”

      • princesssong

        Thank you Donna for that!! Merry Christmas!!

      • BlueMax372

        Wow! A Nail-on-the-Head Award with gold oak-leaf cluster for that, Donna! Thanks!!

      • babbott

        Donna, you are absolutely correct, and I think it is rather stupid of someone to stand before a group of armed warriors and try to tell them what word they can or cannot use. As long as the First Amendment is still in the Constitution, we can use any word we please and no one has the authority to stop us. This type of politically correct mumbo-jumbo will not stop until the people rise up and demand an end to it.

      • Richard Sperry

        Really Donna? The Army, as an organization, doesn’t have rights.

        The blurb, said that as an organization, can’t use the word Christmas, but as an individual can. Why are your panties in a bunch?

        Merry Christmas.

    • Joan Casey Ellis Lyons

      The evidence of God’s existence is all around you. He loves you so much that He sent Jesus to sacrifice Himself so that you can have eternal life with all that believe. It is s free gift all you have to do is accept Him and believe. JOHN 3:16,17, and 18 clearly explain God’s gift to you.

      • aubreyfarmer

        It took me a long time to realize what is meant by “Heavenly Host”. If God ever decides He is fed up with us and decides He no longer wishes to be a good host, then all of mankind will face tribulations which the world has not seen in thousands of years.

        • Larry J Dunster Sr

          Revelations talks about judgement day and the events leading to it

    • Mama62

      She clearly said that individuals could use the term. Just not the Army as a whole. No violation here. The Army as an organization is not protected by the 1st Amendment.

      • GoldenRudy

        But what really “is” the meaning of “is”? After all.

      • J. C. Smith

        Technically true (First Amendment only limits the Congress), but doesn’t mean it’s not wrong.

        • GadsdenJazz

          1st Amendment protects citizens from speech/religious/association infringements by any governmental entity at all, from Congress to the executive branch to the federal courts to state governments and local constabulary.

      • Public_Man

        Presumably, “the Army” is also incapable of speech, eh? American citizens who are members of the Army are being denied their right to use a word that denotes a huge holy day.

        • Barbara Repko

          True, yet Muslims are allowed to join our American Army and pray a**ses up all day long and they’re “protected” – even to the point of committing mass murder.

          • JibberFU

            Are you sure you’re not just a racist?

      • auntielib

        Hmmm, the article states, “the officer immediately told the attendees that the word ‘Christmas’ couldn’t be used”.
        Obviously you doubt that’s what the officer “really said”, so please tell all of us what YOU think the officer “really said”, and tell us what news source led you to believe that’s what she “really” said.
        Waiting…

    • floramae

      YOU TRULY ARE A HEATHEN, YOU FILTHY INSIDIOUS MORON!! AND I’M NOT WHAT YOU WOULD CALL A RELIGIOUS PERSON, MAY YOU ROT IN HELL!!!

    • C Ken Davis Sr

      believe as you choose James. That is what the first amendment is all about. However, you atheist demand that we Christians do not discuss God do not celebrate God. We have rights also. I have never once told an atheist to not say there is no God, yet you atheists demand we not mention God. By your own labeling us as arrogant fools you have admitted your intolerance. You have a Merry Christmas.

    • williamdiamon

      The genome project, including the recent discoveries show the intricate information inside every cell. This information is necessary for any cell to reproduce. Including the “first” cell. To me this means we were designed. What does it mean to you? Do you think lightning striking ocean water (science’s best theory) would create a living cell and write this code? just wonderin

    • jackrabbit42

      Prove that there is no God.

      • teila

        Why waste time asking something so silly. We all know that a person can’t prove that there is no God, just as no one can prove that their particular God does exists. Don’t be ridiculous. You can’t prove or disprove faith-based religion…. Good grief.

    • Jimbo Velasquez

      The only fools are those that deny GOD.

    • GadsdenJazz

      Prove to me there is no God. I’m a rational man – provide me the proof, and I’ll renounce my beliefs.

      • dmcmullen560

        I have 2 articles that may interest you if you are sincere with your statement. They deal with the mathematics of Matthew chapter 1, the other that will follow will be the proablity of Israel being a nation today.

        1. The first 17 verses of the New
        Testament contain the genealogy of Christ. It consists of two main parts:
        Verses 1-11 cover the period from Abraham, the father of the chosen people, to
        the Captivity, when they ceased as an independent people. Verses 12-17 cover
        the period from the Captivity to the promised Deliverer, the Christ.

        Let us examine the first part of this
        genealogy.

        Its vocabulary has 49 words, or 7 x 7. This
        number is itself seven (Feature 1) sevens (Feature 2), and
        the sum of its factors is 2 sevens (Feature 3). Of these 49 words 28, or 4 sevens, begin with
        a vowel; and 21, or 3 sevens, begin with a consonant (Feature 4).

        Again: These 49 words of the vocabulary
        have 266 letters, or 7 x 2 x 19;
        this number is itself 38 sevens
        (Feature 5),
        and the sum of its factors is 28,
        or 4 sevens (Feature 6), while
        the sum of its figures is 14, or 2 sevens (Feature 7). Of these 266 letters, moreover, 140, or 20
        sevens, are vowels, and 126, or 18 sevens, are consonants (Feature 8).

        That is to say: Just as the number of
        words in the vocabulary is a multiple of seven, so is the number of its letters
        a multiple of seven; just as the sum of the factors of the number of words is a
        multiple of seven, so is the sum of the factors of the number of their letters
        a multiple of seven. And just as the number of words is divided between vowel
        words and consonant words by seven, so is their number of letters divided
        between vowels and consonants by sevens.

        Again: of these 49 words 35, or 5 sevens,
        occur more than once in the passage: and
        14, or 2 sevens, occur but once (Feature 9);
        seven occur in more than one form, and 42, or
        6 sevens, occur in only one form (Feature 10). And among the parts of
        speech the 49 words are thus divided: 42, or 6 sevens, are nouns, seven are not
        nouns (Feature 11). Of
        the nouns 35, or 5 sevens, are Proper names, seven are common nouns (Feature
        12). Of
        the Proper names 28 are male ancestors of the Christ, and seven are not
        (Feature 13).

        Moreover, these 49 words are distributed
        alphabetically thus. Words
        under alpha-epsilon are 21 in number, or 3 sevens;
        zeta – kappa 14 or 2 sevens; mu-
        chi also 14. No other groups of sevens stopping at the end
        of a letter are made by these 49 words, the groups of sevens stop with these
        letters and no others. But the letters, alpha, epsilon, zeta, kappa, mu, and
        chi , are letters 1, 5, 6, 10, 12, 22, of the Greek alphabet, and the sum of
        these numbers (called their Place Values) is 56, or 8 sevens (Feature 14) .

        This enumeration of the numeric phenomena
        of these 11 verses does not begin to be exhaustive, but enough has been shown
        to make it clear that this part of the genealogy is constructed on an elaborate
        design of sevens.

        Let us now turn to the genealogy as a
        whole. I will not weary your readers with recounting all the numeric phenomena
        thereof: Pages alone would exhaust them. I will point out only one feature. The New Testament is written in Greek. The
        Greeks had no separate symbols for expressing numbers, corresponding to our
        Arabic figures, but used instead the letters of their alphabet: just as the
        Hebrews, in whose tongue the Old Testament is written, made use for the same
        purpose of theirs. Accordingly, the 24 Greek letters stand for the following
        numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 100, 200, 300,
        400, 500, 600, 700, 800. Every Greek word is thus a sum in arithmetic obtained
        by adding the numbers for which its letters stand, or their numeric values. Now
        the vocabulary to the entire genealogy has 72 words. If we write its numeric value over each of
        these 72 words, and add them, we get for their sum 42,364, or 6,052 sevens, distributed
        into the following alphabetical groups only:
        alpha- beta have 9,821, or 1,403 sevens; gamma-delta,
        1904, or 272 sevens;
        epsilon-zeta, 3,703, or 529
        sevens;
        theta-rho, 19,264, or 2,752
        sevens; sigma-chi, 7,672, or
        1,096 sevens. But
        the numeric value of the 10 letters used for making these groups is 931, or 7 x
        7 x 19, a multiple not only of seven but of seven sevens.

        Let Mr. W.R.L. try to write some 300 words
        intelligently like this genealogy, and reproduce some numeric phenomena of like
        designs. If he does it in 6 months, he will indeed do a wonder. Let us assume
        that Matthew accomplished this feat in one month.

        2. The second part of this chapter, verses
        18-25, relates the birth of the Christ. It
        consists of 161 words, or 23 sevens; occurring
        in 105 forms, or 15 sevens, with a vocabulary of 77 words or 11 sevens. Joseph
        is spoken to here by an angel. Accordingly, of the 77 words the angel uses 28,
        or 4 sevens; of the 105 forms he uses 35, or 5 sevens; the numeric value of the vocabulary is 52,605,
        or 7,515 sevens; of
        the forms, 65,429, or 9,347 sevens.

        This enumeration only begins as it were
        barely to scratch the surface of the numerics of this passage. But what is
        specially noteworthy here is the fact that the angel’s speech has also a scheme
        of sevens making it a kind of ring within a ring, a wheel within a wheel. If
        Mr. L. can write a similar passage of 161 words with the same scheme of sevens
        alone (though there are several others hers) in some three years, he would
        accomplish a still greater wonder. Let us assume that Matthew accomplished this
        feat in only 6 months.

        3. The second chapter of Matthew tells of
        the childhood of the Christ. Its
        vocabulary has 161 words, or 23 sevens, with 896 letters, or 128 sevens, and
        238 forms, or 34 sevens; the numeric value of the vocabulary is
        123,529, or 17,647 sevens; of
        the forms, 166,985, or 23,855 sevens; and so on through pages of enumeration. This
        chapter has at least four logical divisions, and each division shows alone the
        same phenomena found in the chapter as a whole. Thus the first six verses have
        a vocabulary of 56 words, or 8 sevens, etc. There are some speeches here: Herod
        speaks, the Magi speak, the angel speaks. But so pronounced are the numeric
        phenomena here, that though there are as it were numerous rings within rings,
        and wheels within wheels, each is perfect in itself though forming all the
        while only part of the rest.

        If Mr. L. can write a chapter like this as
        naturally as Matthew writes, but containing in some 500 words so many
        intertwined yet harmonious numeric features, in say the rest of his days -
        whatever his age now, or the one to which he is to attain: if he thus
        accomplish it at all, it will indeed be marvel of marvels. Let us assume that
        Matthew accomplished this feat in only 3 years.

        4. There is not, however, a single
        paragraph of the scores in Matthew that is not constructed in exactly the same
        manner. Only with each additional paragraph the difficulty of constructing it
        increases not in arithmetical, but in geometrical progression. For he contrives
        to write his paragraphs so as to develop constantly fixed numeric relations to
        what goes before and after. Thus in his last chapter he contrives to use just 7
        words not used by hem before. It would thus be easy to show that Mr. L. would
        require some centuries to write a book like Matthew’s. how long it took Matthew
        the writer does not know. But how he contrived to do it between the
        Crucifixion, AD 30 ( and his Gospel could not have been written earlier), and
        the destruction of Jerusalem,
        AD 70 (and the Gospel could not have been written later), let Mr. L. and his
        like-minded explain.

        Anyhow, Matthew did it, and we thus have a
        miracle – an unheard-of literary, mathematical artist, unequalled, hardly even
        conceivable. This is the first fact for Mr. L. to contemplate.

        A second fact is yet more important: In his very first section, the genealogy
        discussed above, the words found nowhere else in the New testament occur 42
        times, 7 x 6; and
        have 126 letters, 7 x 6 x 3, each number a multiple not only of seven, but of 6
        sevens, to name only two of the many numeric features of these words.
        But how did Matthew know, when
        designing this scheme for these words (whose sole characteristic is that they
        are found nowhere else in the New Testament) that they would not be found in
        the other 26 books? That they would not be used by the other 7 New Testament
        writers? Unless we assume the impossible hypothesis that he had an agreement
        with them to that effect, he must have had the rest of the New Testament before
        him when he wrote his book. The Gospel of Matthew, then, was written last.

        5. It so happens, however, that the Gospel
        of Mark shows the very same phenomena. Thus the very passage called so
        triumphantly in today’s SUN a “forgery,” the Last Twelve Verses of
        Mark, presents among some sixty features of sevens the following phenomena: It
        has 175 words, or 25 sevens, a vocabulary of 98 words, or 2 sevens of sevens,
        with 553 letters, or 79 sevens; 133 forms, or 19 sevens, and so on to the
        minutest detail.

        Mark, then, is another miracle, another
        unparalleled literary genius. And in the same way in which it was shown that
        Matthew wrote last it is also shown that Mark, too, wrote last. Thus to take an
        example from this very passage: It has just one word found nowhere else in the
        New Testament, [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image]
        [Image], deadly. This
        fact is signalled by no less than seven features of sevens, thus:
        its numeric value is 581, or 83
        sevens, with the sum of its figures 14, or 2 sevens, of which the letters 3, 5,
        7, 9 from the beginning of the word have 490, or 7 x 7 x 5 x 2:
        a multiple of seven sevens, with
        the sum of its factors 21, or 3 sevens. In
        the vocabulary it is preceded by 42 words: 7 x 6;
        in the passage itself by 126
        words, or 7 x 6 x 3, both numbers multiples not only of seven, but of 6 sevens.
        We has thus established before us
        this third fact for Mr. L. to contemplate: Matthew surely wrote after Mark, and
        Mark just as surely wrote after Matthew.

        6. It happens, however, to be a fourth
        fact, that Luke presents the same phenomena as Matthew and Mark, and so do
        John, and James, and Peter, and Jude, and Paul. And we have thus no longer two
        great unheard-of mathematical literati, but eight of them and each wrote after
        the other.

        7. And not only this: As Luke and Peter
        wrote each 2 books, John 5, and Paul 14, it can in the same way be shown that
        each of the 27 New Testament books was written last. In fact, not a page of the
        over 500 in Wescott and Hort’s Greek edition (which the writer has used throughout)
        but it can be demonstrated thus to have been written last.

        The phenomena are there and there is no
        human way of explaining them. Eight men cannot each write last, 27 books, some
        500 pages, cannot each be written last. But once assume that one Mind directed
        the whole, and the problem is solved simply enough; but this Verbal Inspiration
        - of every jot and tittle of the New Testament.

        There remains only to be added that by
        precisely the same kind of evidence the Hebrew Old Testament is proved to be
        equally inspired. This the very first verse of Genesis has seven words, 28
        letters, or 4 sevens: to name only two out of the dozens of numeric features of
        this one verse of only seven words – NEW YORK SUN, November 21, 1899 -
        CORRECTED.

      • dmcmullen560

        This is the second article that I mentioned.

        The Bible contains 140+ prophecies
        dealing with Israel becoming a nation again. The return of the Jewish people to their homeland…Isaiah 11:11-14; Jeremiah 23:8 & 31:8-9. Israel to be created in one day…May 14,1948 by the UN. A dead language restored (Israel
        adopted to revive Hebrew as the national language) Zephaniah 3:9. Just is to name a few.

        So to keep the odds of this happening
        simple, we’ll just deal with only 10 of the 140 prophecies. We will deal with only the last 2000 years divided by 40 years as a generation in the Bible (2000 divided by 40 = 50) .
        The odds are 50 to 1 for 1 of these to
        happen. If
        2 happens to odds are 50 to the second power (50 x50) = 2500 to 1, just 10 of these = 50 x 50 (10 times) = 97500 billion to 1.

        So yes I believe the Bible is the word
        of God. (if I were a gambling man with these odds working in my favor, I’d be at the casinos cashing in…lol)

        • GadsdenJazz

          It looks like you and I are on the same side!

    • johnanaguski

      Army does not have a brig but has a stockade idiot.

      • babbott

        same-same, and as a wise man once said: “a rose by any other name is still a rose”.

        • johnanaguski

          Sorry babbott: Brig is a Navy term Stockade is an Army term, yes they are both prisoner lock-ups.

          • babbott

            Nothing to be sorry about. As a veteran I know the difference, but as I said, they are both the same, the different services just call them by different names. It like the latrine and the head–they both serve the same purpose.

    • johnanaguski

      Go observe the ocean, then go to the forest and mountains and tell me a man built that,Not.

    • jackrabbit42

      They Army will protect a Muslim murderer in the Army, but considers Christians a “hate group”.

    • floramae

      you are the arrogant fool, one sick twisted pup, and I’m not a very religious person, I say live and let live, but draw the line to the muzzie’s, it’s truly a cult, that maims, beheads, rapes both male and females under the banner of some sick pervert!!

    • Chico Hinojos

      james shove your traitor up you athiest ass POS

    • jamalagrin

      Mr. Atheist Smith. There are no unbelievers in hell or in a fox hole. The Bible Says that “The fool says in his heart, there is no God.” And it further says, “Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and understanding of The Holy One is knowledge.”. You may get respect from the world which is going to hell in a hand basket, but to God, you are a fool and totally ignorant.
      Get with it my man before it is too late. Open your heart up and seek God, and he will give you the Light of His Knowledge before it is too late.

    • princesssong

      thank you Sarge, for your service!!

    • pineapple

      Can they mention the words Jihad, Allah, or Islam?

      Soon they won’t be able to eat pork, as is the rule in some American schools.

    • Stagester

      All knees will bow to the King Jesus.

    • pandainc

      One on every thread.

    • eddiestardust

      Mr Smith, I will pray for you. Here’s the deal.
      Number one, what you just wrote was very nasty.
      Number two, IF you are correct there is no harm in believing in God especially because it brings comfort. What is the harm? But what if you are wrong. Just suppose that you are wrong and that we do have to account for our actions in our lives. Just suppose for a moment that there might be a God and both Heaven and Hell and if we do not live good lives we will go to hell. Both Heaven and Hell are not just for “a little while” but for all Eternity without end. Imagine the worst thing you have suffered in your own life for all time? I think most would choose Heaven.

    • Dianna Zerbe

      can you prove there is no God?

    • Mary Hunter

      I am so sorry for your delusions but aren’t you glad you live in a country FOUNDED ON GOD so that you can have them? Will pray for you anyway.

    • disqus_YXIeVijodU

      You’ll find out one day when it’s too late for you – you bleeping idiot

    • Buzzd1

      Are you not understanding this? So you want to wish a Jewish soldier a merry Xmas? Or even a Jehovah Witness? Why would you want to force your beliefs on other religions? Do you want them to fight to wish you whatever their belief entails?

      • GadsdenJazz

        Words are noisy air, and I’m free to disregard them.

        When my Jewish friends say, “Happy Hanukkah,” I’m not offended. To the contrary, I’m happy they’re happy, and I’m willing to engage and participate in the Jewish holidays to the extent I don’t compromise my own beliefs and to the extent I don’t offend believers. Even when I reach the end of my ability to participate, I’m not ugly about it – I just indicate that certain traditions/beliefs are not part of my own practice. It’s possible to be respectful without offending, and it really IS possible to receive religious wishes for well-being and happiness without crapping Stonehenge.

    • Bruce Regees

      You must be one of the Obozo Nazi club. America was built on God and Country. Christmas is and has always been a time for family and thanks for life that the Christian world of America built fool.

      • GreeneGhost

        America was built on the backs of Native Americans, Blacks, Irish, and anyone else pressed into service – including our military men and women – to do the bidding of those whose arrogance continues to this day.

    • Buzzd1

      It’s people like you who give atheists and agnostics a bad name. Just because someone chooses to believe in a god is not a bad thing…it just means they have not come to terms with religion being made up. There may be something out there, there might not be. God or no god, we should still treat every human with respect and dignity and allow them their beliefs, unless otherwise warranted.

    • dmcmullen560

      You may have heard of this guy…his name is mentioned at the end of the article…

      God vs Science

      “Let me explain the problem science has with religion. The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

      ‘You’re a Christian, aren’t you, son?’

      ‘Yes sir,’ the student says.

      ‘So you believe in God?’

      ‘Absolutely ‘

      ‘Is God good?’

      ‘Sure! God’s good.’

      ‘Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?’

      ‘Yes’

      ‘Are you good or evil?’

      ‘The Bible says I’m evil.’

      The professor grins knowingly. ‘Aha! The Bible! He considers for a moment. ‘Here’s one for you. Let’s say there’s a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?’

      ‘Yes sir, I would.’

      ‘So you’re good…!’

      ‘I wouldn’t say that.’

      ‘But why not say that? You’d help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn’t.’

      The student does not answer, so the professor continues. ‘He doesn’t, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that one?’

      The student remains silent. ‘No, you can’t, can you?’ the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. ‘Let’s start again, young fella. Is God good?’

      ‘Er..yes,’ the student says.

      ‘Is Satan good?’

      The student doesn’t hesitate on this one.. ‘No.’

      ‘Then where does Satan come from?’

      The student falters. ‘From God’

      ‘That’s right. God made Satan, didn’t he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this

      world?’

      ‘Yes, sir.’

      ‘Evil’s everywhere, isn’t it? And God did make everything, correct?’

      ‘Yes’

      ‘So who created evil?’ The professor continued, ‘If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.’

      Again, the student has no answer. ‘Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred?

      Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?’ The student squirms on his feet. ‘Yes.’

      ‘So who created them?’

      The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. ‘Who created them?’ There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. ‘Tell me,’ he continues onto another student. ‘Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?’

      The student’s voice betrays him and cracks. ‘Yes, professor, I do.’

      The old man stops pacing. ‘Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?’

      ‘No sir. I’ve never seen Him.’

      ‘Then tell us if you’ve ever heard your Jesus?’

      ‘No, sir, I have not.’

      ‘Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?’

      ‘No, sir, I’m afraid I haven’t.’

      ‘Yet you still believe in him?’

      ‘Yes’

      ‘According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn’t exist… What do you say to that, son?’

      ‘Nothing,’ the student replies.. ‘I only have my faith.’

      ‘Yes, faith,’ the professor repeats. ‘And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.’

      The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own.

      ‘Professor, is there such thing as heat?

      ‘ Yes.

      ‘And is there such a thing as cold?’

      ‘Yes, son, there’s cold too.’

      ‘No sir, there isn’t.’

      The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. ‘You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don’t have anything called ‘cold’. We can hit down to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Everybody or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the

      opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.’

      Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

      ‘What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?’

      ‘Yes,’ the professor replies without hesitation. ‘What is night if it isn’t darkness?’

      ‘You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it’s called darkness, isn’t it? That’s the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn’t. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?’

      The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. ‘So what point are you making, young man?’

      ‘Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.’

      The professor’s face cannot hide his surprise this time. ‘Flawed? Can you explain how?’

      ‘You are working on the premise of duality,’ the student explains. ‘You argue that there is life and then there’s death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can’t even explain a thought.’ ‘It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.’ ‘Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?’

      ‘If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.’

      ‘Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?’

      The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

      ‘Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?’

      The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided. ‘To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.’ The student looks around the room. ‘Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor’s brain?’ The class breaks out into laughter. ‘Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor’s brain, felt the professor’s brain, touched or smelt the professor’s brain? No one appears to have done so… So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.’ ‘So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?’

      Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. ‘I Guess you’ll have to take them on faith.’

      ‘Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,’ the student continues. ‘Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?’ Now uncertain, the professor responds, ‘Of course, there is. We see it Every day. It is in the daily example of man’s inhumanity to man. It is in The multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.’

      To this the student replied, ‘Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God’s love present in his heart. It’s like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.’

      The professor sat down.

      If you read it all the way through and had a smile on your face when you finished, mail to your friends and family with the title ‘God vs. Science’

      PS: The student was Albert Einstein. Albert Einstein wrote a book titled ‘God vs. Science’ in 1921….

    • truthisliberty

      A fool in their hearts says there is no God, they’re corrupt. Your disdain for God is a result of His light offending your life of darkness. Because you choose to reject God doesn’t give you the right to dictate other’s do to. Merry JESUS CHRIST mas!

    • John S

      Man, are you ignorant…and rude.

    • StanSki

      Ah, you again Smith. Why do I get the impression you’re a trouble making jewboy? Everywhere you comment you start a flame war. Maybe you’re a flamer, eh? It IS a good thing that the 1st Amendment exists so you can act the jerkoff. Maybe you just hate yourself. Maybe you should just believe what you want to believe, leave people to theirs, and STFU.

      • John Campbell

        “trouble making jewboy?”

        These are the words of a Christian? I doubt it.

    • Wayne

      Mr. Smith, God’s presence is all around you. The weather, the trees, the stars at night, the unexplained, to you, evidence of answered prayer that occurred in face of impossibility. I am sure that sometime in your life you have witnessed this. Sadly, if you can’t recognize God in this life, then you will at the end of it. I pray that doesn’t happen to you. Merry Christmas.

    • AmericanMan2012

      You are the arrogant fool, we shall live and let live, each in the peace of our own beliefs, in as your faith of no god, and mine of a GOD, so unless you refuse to live and let live, and think you will control our faith, by the rules of your’s, then you will be responsible for blood shed in the streets, because of your hatred of Christians.

    • Donna Mohler

      One day,you will see.

    • hockey20

      I sure wouldn’t wanna be in your shoes, On Judgement day…..It’s better to believe there is a God and die and find out there wasn’t…..then to Not Believe and die and find out,there is…

    • Grandpa82

      The burden of proof is on the doubting James !
      Look around and convince us that a bunch of atoms collided and made all the wonderful things that “The Creator” didn’t make ! Gather round folks this should be a Great Story !

    • bee

      you dirty scumbag smith, i hope you fall on ice and bust your ass

    • Robbysh

      Justice William Douglas once wrote that our institutions presuppose the existence of a supreme being, and Bill Douglas was a BIG liberal.

    • nwrkjoel

      There’s nothing like insults to make people see things your way. Don’t forget to sue your parents for giving you a religious name. We’ll be praying for you. Merry Christmas!

    • Ron

      Why don’t you prove there is no God. I don’t have to prove that there is. You are the one who made the challenge so it is up to you to prove your position. By the way, look at a chart of the human eye. If that isn’t enough to change you mind just a little, then you have no mind.

    • allyofIsrael

      But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. 20 For
      ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky.
      Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible
      qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse
      for not knowing God. (Rom 1:18-20)

    • allyofIsrael

      So God abandoned them to
      do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did
      vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. 25 They
      traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the
      things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of
      eternal praise! Amen. 26 That
      is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women
      turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex
      with each other. 27 And
      the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned
      with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as
      a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they
      deserved.(Rom 1:24-27)

    • allyofIsrael

      And this passage speaks clearly about your insolence and godless, demonic heart.

      Since they thought it
      foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking
      and let them do things that should never be done. 29 Their
      lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy,
      murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. 30 They
      are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They
      invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. 31 They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. 32 They
      know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to
      die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do
      them, too. (Rom 1:28-32)

    • Ron

      Jim, prove that there is no God. You made the challenge.

    • John Wright

      Psa_14:1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

    • monacall

      Oh my James did you get up on the wrong side of the bed today? What’s with this? No one cares if you don’t believe in God. No one! But you can just go away and quit getting on these sites that upset you so much. It’s not good for your heart. Have a very Merry Christmas James. In fact everyone should wish James a very Merry Christmas.

    • Sunshine43

      Speak for yourself, fool!

    • DMJo

      Prove there is no God.

    • MontieR

      Prove there is no God, asshat.

      • GreeneGhost

        As you well know, one cannot prove a negative. It is up to you to prove that there is.

    • mikeconstitution

      Ah yes, the “God of no God” worshiped by delusional fools like you.

    • Clive Smith

      BET YOUR A FECKIN MUZRAT !

    • jackiecox

      hey james sounds like you may have a faggot for a partner

    • Billy Bumtrip

      Amen.

    • Billy Bumtrip

      You seem evil

    • RobertLaity

      No “god”. Of course there isn’t. The word “god” with a small “g’ refers to idols. GOD with a capital “G” is the supreme being the alpha and the omega. Our creator. alla is a “god”.

    • dennam

      Hey Ass Hat. Do you love your wife? Prove it.. Oh wait… She left you for a REAL MAN.

    • Amanda Lynn Case

      And you are taking this article on face value? What a fool!

    • jackbaggelaar

      You are A fool.you probably preach tolerance but have none yourself.

    • Helen

      You, my friend, are the Fool!

    • Liam58

      The fool says within his heart there is no God.

    • Grandma Go

      You need to get your life in order then, because you will face GOD, himself eventually!

    • Thomas Jefferson

      VERY compassionate…Merry Christmas to you (belated).

    • Kimberley Caylor Osmer

      Can you prove there is no God? Just because you choose not to believe, doesn’t mean there isn’t one. There is also a hell and I hope you will change your mind before you spend eternity there by turning God away.

    • JHorvathJr

      James, by your logic: how can you NOT believe what is not there. If you’ve never seen a Gurkha does it mean there no such thing? If you haven’t been to Moscow, does it mean it isn’t there. Show me a physical “one” and another “one” then show me them turning into a “two”. Has to be PHYSICAL and PROVEABLE to exist. There is no ZERO! “NOTHING” is a myth. And, James, you have a brain but no MIND.

    • Michael Meabon

      I am the type of christian that would kill a child molester rapist and a cold blooded murderer, or what not i am not perfect I don’t go to church i know that there was lots of things took out of the actual bible[i just follow the good path] and i also know that all the species of the universe did not just form from thin air everything was designed and perfectly created. If you even make it to your death bed i hope that when you ask the lord to take you and repent from all the confusion of your life that the good lord takes you unless you have ever hurt a child or have done horrible things in your life then you should stay all of eternity in a p lace designed especially for your torment.pay me a round trip from west virginia and ill gladly take you up on your offer.

  • http://vato21stcentury.blogspot.com/ Jim S.

    The Cost of War, All Costs, the Responsibility of Those Served

    The Abandoning of the missions and the purposes of, along with the once
    again promises to the Afghan people, first time was after the
    Afghan/Soviet long war, quickly after 9/11, with the Lives still being lost, those serving still being wounded!!!

    “12 years also is a long time. We now have a lifetime responsibility
    to a generation of service members, veterans and their families.” Dr. Jonathan Woodson 11 Sep. 2013: ‘With 9/11 Came Lifetime Responsibility’

    There’s only one branch of Government, Federal and States, consistently
    doing for not only us Veterans’ but also the Military personal and their
    Families and without the control of the Countries purse strings, the people served and their representatives do, and combining
    the Cabinet agencies abilities to help where possible with their
    budgets. That’s the whole Executive branch under President Obama. Doing
    what Congress and the people represented by them and served by the
    Military refuse to do, Sacrifice, especially the wealthy!

    Decades, and wars of, of under funding the VA. With these two recent
    wars little was done for the Veterans of as well as the Military
    personal, i.e. Walter Reed as one example, and their Families, in the
    first years of both under the previous executive branch and those
    congresses. Rubber stamped war costs, off the books and on the countries
    credit card with no bid private contracts, including building an
    expensive private merc army! That’s not adding in all the other rubber
    stamped costs of the bush administration policy wants, especially in the
    first six years of!

    Rachel Maddow: “We got a huge round of tax cuts in
    this country a few weeks before 9/11. Once 9/11 happened and we invaded
    Afghanistan, we kept the tax cuts anyway.
    How did we think we were going to pay for that war? Did we think it was
    free?

    Then, when we started a second simultaneous war in another country, we
    gave ourselves a second huge round of tax cuts. After that second war
    started. The wars, I guess, we thought would be free, don`t worry about
    it, civilians. Go about your business.” 23 May 2013

    “If military action is worth our troops’ blood, it should be worth
    our treasure, too” “not just in the abstract, but in the form of a
    specific ante by every American.” -Andrew Rosenthal 10 Feb. 2013

    David (CBS News) Martin: “Then there’s the financial cost. To date,
    the Pentagon has spent more than $500 billion on the war in Afghanistan.
    A defense spending bill the Senate is expected to pass this week would
    add another $80 billion to that.” 17 December 2013

    That’s not counting those decades to come results from costs and the once again ignored, by those served, issues!

    The wars, neither Afghanistan nor Iraq, have yet been paid for. Nor
    especially the now decades to come, DeJa-Vu all over again, the of
    results for those sent, over and over, and the continuing under funding
    the Peoples Responsibility, the Veterans Administration charged with
    much more then just caring for the wounded, as those served ignore most
    of those results from!!

    ‘Cost of War’ site {real and estimated costs}: “Total
    US federal spending associated with the Iraq war has been $1.7 trillion
    through FY2013. In addition, future health and disability payments for
    veterans will total $590 billion and interest accrued to pay for the war
    will add up to $3.9 trillion.” 19 March 2013 © 2011 Watson Institute, Brown University

    USN All Shore ’67-’71 GMG3 Vietnam In Country ’70-’71….

    • princesssong

      thank you for your service Jim

  • Robert Peterson

    Merry CHRISTmas to Islam

    • wildjew

      That is who they are afraid of offending. President Obama’s brethren.

      • Robert Peterson

        They perhaps, Me not so much.If anyone one finds my comments to be offensive. Good

    • it’sthatbad

      Amen and God Bless !!

  • faceshaker

    Guess what? The military is not a fundamentalist evangelism opportunity.

    If you have to make noise to prove your faith, you’ve obviously got too little of it to really matter anyway.

    • Public_Man

      Faceshaker gets the Completely Missing the Point award for 2013. Congratulations, faceshaker!

    • Wally McCollum

      Intolerance at its most despicable. All in the name of tolerance, of course.

    • wildjew

      I’m not a Christian. I am not offended by Christmas, even if Jesus was not born in the winter. Why are people so offended?

      • Public_Man

        Because it’s all they have. I feel the same way about Judiasm, fwiw…happy belated Hanukkah!

        • wildjew

          I am not big on holidays and all the trappings, especially extra-Biblical ones like Hanukkah, though I think the history of that time is important; faithful Jews fighting Hellenistic encroachment in Israel. Equally there are Christians who believe the holiday of Christmas (the tree, etc.) has little to do with Jesus and who he was and and what believers think he will do in the “last days.” But if Christmas brings people closer to the God of Israel, great.

          • Public_Man

            I understand and agree, mostly. One of the most encouraging things I’ve seen in my lifetime is Christians reconciling our faith with the undeniable fact that Jesus was devoutly Jewish even as he represents what we believe as the next chapter in that wonderful faith.

          • wildjew

            You want to know Jesus (not just you but any Christian). Keep your eye on the Holy Land; Israel. It is God’s time clock. Jerusalem will be the seat of God’s kingdom. Not Europe. Not America.

          • Public_Man

            On that, I agree completely.

      • grannykate62

        Because they want to be god or center of every discussion. Really educated people enjoy Hannukah, Christmas, Easter true joy of blessings and sharing religion not intolerant banning

      • MsMoomMist

        Christian = follower and believer of the teachings of Christ! Has nothing to do with modern religions. My faith that there is only ONE God and he gave His only Begotten Son for man’s sins is a Christian belief and not a specific RELIGION!

        • wildjew

          Isn’t Christianity considered one of the world’s great religions?

          • MsMoomMist

            Did I say Christianity?? Christian as in CHRIST – LIKE!

          • wildjew

            But Jesus (back then) did not fulfill any of the requirements of messiah. That is why I do not call Jesus back then “Christ” or anointed or messiah. Messiah will usher in God’s kingdom and peace in the future. That is what the Kingdom of God (or heaven as Jesus called it) is about. Beating our swords into plowshares, etc. Jesus back then did not do it. He did not bring it about; God’s kingdom on the earth.

    • grannykate62

      No noise just 200+ years of tradition which ignorant self-absorbed people don’t get. Long before you weren’t aborted, Christian principles protected and built our nation, not atheistic foibles

      • faceshaker

        Granma–It is awfully difficult to tell which way the wind is blowing when you’re in your underground bunker, isn’t it? Who really cares how the United States of America decides to feed, house and render medical attention to the poor, elderly, disabled and other huddled masses mentioned right there on the Statue of Liberty? Spreading the good news doesn’t seem too good as of late if one watches the doom-doom-dummies on theocratic TV.

        The political climate directly after the American revolution was not exactly pro-Christianity, and in fact one of the great revolutionaires, Thomas Paine, wrote a book so anti-Bible that the anti-religious freedom forces in Great Britain imprisoned him for writing “The Age of Reason”.

        Voltaire was a pagan, Granma, and so was Machiavelli, the Italian jailed by the Medici because his “Dialogue With the First Five Books of Livy”, about the birth of the Roman republic, threatened their dominance and submission game. Back then, even the Vatican had hired guns. Machivelli’s serious ethical thinking was a seminal review of political philosophy Jefferson and other thinkers used to design Congress and the Senate.

        Just check the Internet, granma; when you deign to check out your history, you’ll realize that the 13 colonies were ready to separate from religion to secular government, mainly because they were students of all the bloody wars in which almost every state in Europe called “the enemy” the Antichrist.

        I have no problem with real Christianity. The most effective Christians, in my opinion, are too busy being Christians to yammer and rend their clothing over every little thing. Jesus called public religious display “hypocrisy”.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVetTbHiwjw

        • grannykate62

          First, you don’t have privilege to call me ‘Granma’ My family came through Ellis Island. We have stood at the Statue-we know the huddled masses not just bloviate. You need to read history, GW, Jefferson/Adams. You need to see the churches of Wall St area founded in 1600′s. No Jesus didn’t say public display was hypocrisy, you did. You confuse praying in public and beating your chest stating you’re better than another-get your facts right. Merry Christmas

          • faceshaker

            Like you memaw? Separate the secular state from the religious community–or pay your damned taxes through the collection plate.

            This “who’s on first” business is nothing but “bear pee”. Which was the first dog to lift a leg to the fire hydrant? It’s about domination and territory. Get down, memaw, the sky is not falling any time soon.

  • David R Rigby

    Equal Opportunity Representative? In each unit? Attending all meetings? Sounds like the Gestapo, or Communist Party officers in the old USSR. This is outrageous.

    • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

      It’s the Gaystapo! get with the times!

      just notice what happens when the perverts take over

    • grannykate62

      Yup

    • Jan

      obama has probably named them “equal opportunity czar’s” and paying them astronomical wages to ensure they take Christ out of OUR great military. obama does this along with his commie buddy george soros. may they BOTH rot in hell.

  • Ray Rittenhouse

    Why does this sound phony to me???I hear all this crying about Freedom of speech?When Obama has his last News meeting thats all he did…Merry Christmas this and that to EVERYONE???But he wants the Military to stop??

    • mobilebay

      He was just practicing taqqiya

  • Russell Smith

    Force, YES FORCE those that do not want any part of Christmas to step forward and not hide, and come forward. If they do not want any part of Christmas, then let them have NO PART of Christmas then, NO special meal, No time off, NO anything. Full duty for them. Let them have none of the benefits of the day like it is just any other day then. Make them come forward the cowards and not ruin the day for all others that believe in the day of the birth of Christ.

    • dogface

      Atheism is a corner stone of psychotic behavior, a full blown psychopath can not believe.. He is in his own little world, where he is God.. It’s too bad but talking to them or trying to convert them is a waste of your time, unfortunately.. Merry Christmas to All..

  • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

    The equal opportunity rep told our commander that not everyone celebrates Christmas and we couldn’t say Christmas celebration. It had to be holiday celebration.
    ===========
    Not everyone celebrates the holiday, so you can’t say anything at all. Equal opportunity!!!

    • GadsdenJazz

      “Holiday” is just an elision of “holy day.” So, the celebration goes from observing Christmas (a religious holy day) to observing a holy day, which can’t be secular, because secularism does not recognize sanctity. The logic is profoundly dense.

      • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

        For many people, as long as they can go shopping, that’s all that matters now!

  • Public_Man

    Sarcasm, right?

    • it’sthatbad

      No I think he is very serious. That is the sad part.

      • Public_Man

        Possibly. The characterization of all Christians as hypocrites puts Smith on the laugh-but-pay-no-attention list.

  • http://alessandrareflections.wordpress.com/ Alessandra

    The equal opportunity rep also informed the officers that they now all have the equal opportunity to be dumb!