New armored tank for town police sparks fear, war of words

A war of words has broken out over police force in California getting a new armored vehicle built more for a state of war than patrolling in the Golden State.

The Salinas Police Department recently issued a news release proudly announcing the arrival of the armored truck built to survive minefield explosions, which it got compliments of federal taxpayers as part of a program to convert military equipment to law-enforcement use.

califmwrap1222Critics took to the police department’s Facebook page to ask exactly why a city of 150,000 on the northern California coast really needs a vehicle designed for battlefield use. It’s more likely to be used against its own citizens, they said..

“That vehicle is made for war. Do not use my safety to justify that vehicle,” one wrote. “The Salinas Police Department is just a bunch of cowards that want to use that vehicle as intimidation and to terrorize the citizens of this city.”

‘To stop gang members?” another wrote. “Hmmm gang members don’t riot in mass numbers. It’s right in front of our faces and we don’t see it. Why would the ARMY!!! give something like that for FREE!!! Let’s think for once people.”

Police Chief Kelly McMillin said he doesn’t understand the problem.

“I knew this was going to come up,” he said in an interview with the Salinas Californian. “It’s the militarization-of-the-police issue. People are like, ‘Why do you need this?’”

He said it’s not what the department has, it’s what it does that’s the point.

“An allegation that we are militarizing has to be that we were patrolling the streets in platoons in greater numbers, that we were setting up checkpoints and searching people in and out of neighborhoods,” he told the interviewer.

The Salinas PD isn’t doing any of that, he said.

Maybe not. And maybe it never will under Kelly McMillin. But that’s not the point, and it’s hard to believe McMillin and the reporter from the Salinas Californian don’t know that.

This country only two months ago saw rangers for the National Park Service – National Park rangers, for God’s sake – turn into a bunch of storm troopers keeping World War II vets out of their own monument, and visitors from “recreating” at Yosemite.

And Chief McMillin doesn’t understand why citizens don’t trust the government with ever-greater weaponry in the hands of a “civilian” police force?

Just ask the commenters on the Salinas Californian article.

“It could be used to deliver a whole bunch of shut the hell up to the citizens of this fair town,” one wrote.

Another agreed.

“And Obama said we don’t need military weapons in hands of citizens”

H/T: The Daily Mail

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Joe Saunders, a 25-year newspaper veteran, is a staff writer and editor for BizPac Review who lives in Tallahassee and covers capital and Florida politics. Email Joe at jpjsaunders@gmail.com.
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  • Jose CUnha

    … guess they didn’t learn a lesson from Iraq and Afghanistan. So you think this tool will help you when the public is against you? All I can say is, you have to come out some time. And when you do, its on.

    • P00dy

      MEXICO NORTE” this town is drug cartel of the north. Surprised it took this long for them to take back the town.

      • Jose CUnha

        In that case I stand corrected. Any help that law enforcement can get dealing with cartels is warranted as they spare now expense and have no regard for life. Still equipment alone will not get it done. Wish them the best, as long as it doesn’t become an instrument turned against the populace to enforce the current rash of “the government knows best” laws, I ‘m good with it.

        • RobGoblin

          If civilian law enforcement needs military equipment to handle a specific ordeal,then call in the military (National Guards).Don’t turn civilian law enforcement INTO the military. Then it becomes a military state.It’s already a police state.

          • edinvestor1

            Obama is steadily cutting the military and building up Homeland Security and police. Hmmmmmm?

          • Tom Duritsky

            yeppers his private armies..

          • EHeassler_USNRet

            By Jove, you’re onto it.

          • heroay

            Check the credentials of policy enforcers today. Trust them if you can. Especially, when a communist terrorist anti-American organization like the ADL, is ‘training’ these un-elected policy enforcers FOR the incumbent..

          • StanSki

            Kinda weird how the jews in this country, who are so “anti-nazi” have nothing to say and no whiney warnings about the militant police build-up. You’d think they would be kvetching 24/7 about it. Me thinks they are in on it. Your mention of the ADL is just the tip of the ice BERG.

          • heroay

            Oh-you racist anti-schmuck conspiracy terrorist! How ya’dare? But of coz the terrorist ADL is only the tip of the ice STEIN. Why so anti-nazi? COZ, they were PRO-Bolsheviks! Ask any Russian today. And anyone today saying the D.C. Latrine is not infested with ‘these’, they are one of ‘these’.

          • garygerke

            To late!

        • Ronald Nelson

          The Cartel will simply escalate the conflict… they will acquire anti-armor weapons and the resultant ‘collateral damage’ will become unacceptable.
          There is more than one way to skin a cat… and as you had suggested they (the cartel) have to come out sometime.
          The police need to adapt and improvise when dealing with gangs armed with automatic weapons. They don’t necessarily need to have their OWN ARMORED VEHICLES… the National Guard can be used to support them when such equipment is necessary.
          In addition, the use of alternative engagement sites and plans can be used to isolate and confront the cartel on a more amenable grounds and basis. Headlong frontal assaults are not always the best alternatives for urban confrontation… they can result in serious collateral damage to neighborhoods and private citizens.
          Our local and state police don’t need a plethora of MRAP’s… if anything the shared use of a FEW well place MRAP’s can be used to meet any need for such equipment by local and state police… not every town or county needs their personal MRAP.

        • agglebert

          friend this ain’t for drug runners…it’s for you!

        • Chico Hinojos

          those can be takeout with the right weaponry,cartels have answer to that vehicle”

          • Chico Hinojos

            cops have other intentional use for that vehicle,against american honest citizens to disarm citizehs

          • Jose CUnha

            Chico, if you haven’t heard this before, good thing to keep in mind. Its not the arrow, its the Indian.

        • heroay

          If the Sheriff is a constitutional officer, and is not sold to the bolsheviks in the D.C. Latrine, they might get to use such weapon of war. But the un-elected policy enforcers (for the incumbent), by NO means.

      • Skip V. Patel

        Salinas is a mainly upper middle-class, Northern California town. It is NOT some seedy slum crawling with drug cartels.

        “Poody” us suffering from hallucinations, and Jose should learn how to think for himself.

      • jimmyt

        Police only go after money

      • StanSki

        If they had done their jobs orginally, they wouldn’t have a “drug cartel” problem.

  • Ray Weldon

    Salinas?
    Salinas near Monterey? That little town has absolutely zero need for
    such a hulking vehicle. Tax payers should be outraged to have to foot
    the bill of taking care of this tank. This over-militarization of our
    police is WAY out of hand. I served 21 years in the Army an even I
    never needed a vehicle like that in Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia, or Haiti.
    Oh sure they’ll say it’s for their protection…. right up to the time
    when they are using it to run through your living room.

    • P00dy

      YOU need to drive through this “quaint” little DRUG CARTEL town AT NIGHT. IT’s about time the citizens said Enough. Most common cause of death of 20 year olds? answer…..wait for it…………….gunshot.

      • Christian

        arm the residences and not LLE.. start deporting illegals or STFU.. I will not allow criminals and their actions to deny me my inalienable rights and neither should you.

        • dauchshundsrule

          While I agree with you, the California government has now banned lead bullets. Environmental issues, you know? I wonder if the Cartels know this?

          • Blaser270

            That is classic! Maybe Governor Moon Beam will let them turn in their old non compliant ammo for new ammo that meets his approval? Nothing in that state would surprise…

          • George Hilman

            They could set up a dual use station: trade in used needles at same time as non-compliant ammo. All at taxpayer expense, of course.

      • freeinaz

        Seems like immigration reform is at the top of the list for the residents of Salinas. Do you think amnesty would help or hurt Salinas? Too bad the federal government has turned a blind eye on illegal immigration and allowed this invasion to continue. And just to be clear, it’s not just the Democrats who shoulder the blame for this one, the GOP was right there with them.

        • SJ Bishop

          It’s not illegal immigration it is INVASION! Why won’t people see it for what it is? AND it’s being sanctioned by Obbie at every turn. Rid this state of the invaders and you could have a place people would call the Golden State again. As it is it’s a cesspool. I’m lucky I live in a highly Republican (read that Tea Party strong) part of the state with few illegal’s. I know that sounds impossible but it’s true. The rest of the state needs to wake up before the war starts.

          • eccles11

            Immigration should be as easy as a criminal background check.

          • heroay

            Immigration should be ONLY as necessary. Prior, every American has or kept his/her job, rather than illegal invader.

          • eccles11

            DEY TERK ER JERBS!

            You are an anti free market protectionist, you like to throw around words like Bolshevik like you don’t understand the meaning, but the reality is your economic views are to the left of FDR.

          • heroay

            you are a zionist bolshevik ashkenazi troll, enemy of the people. Your footprint, though pink, X-Poses your agenda.

      • Linda Sills

        Then why the hell don’t they DEPORT the rat bastards?? I have just about had it with the LIBTARD morons in the state of Commie-fornia. The entire state has been turned into a “sanctuary” state. What the heck did you expect?

        • tionico

          YOu forget that its the local LE that FIND the illegals.. but its up to the Feds to take care of them according to law… which they don’t

          • eccles11

            Actually Obamas administration has been deporting illegals at very high rate, more than 1.5x the rate that Bush did.

          • heroay

            Shuddup, you are sickening. Just look at the pretended shamnesty vs unemployed American ploy. Your cover is over. Try another forum.

          • eccles11

            Have you noticed not a single response you have made has been substantial, fact based, clever or relevant?

            You are the troll, popping up with inane and idiotic comments, while accusing others of trolling, or being Jews.

          • heroay

            NOT to you. Pre-programmed zombies, as others have noticed, are not responsive to reason of facts. Rather, just kick them around to show them their cover is OFF. Troll.

        • eccles11

          If you don’t support the free movement of labour, you aren’t in favour of free markets.

          • heroay

            She is not in favor of bolshevik, communist, zionist destruction of the U.S. But you seem to.

          • eccles11

            The conspiracy whacks are out in force today.

          • heroay

            Yes, Dough, exxes69, and the bOOb chap

          • Wraith Against RichOligarchy

            Big goverment is real, & there are those so blind & deaf to see it & hear it.

        • heroay

          EASY. Just like the two last presidents of Mexico are related to the Sinaloa cartel, the cow dung at the D.C. Latrine is ‘related’ to both the illegal invasion, and the allowing of the cartel to encroach into MexiFornia. WHY? To excuse the militarization of poo-Lice. But for you, not for the cartel. But the animals are digging such hole, one day they won’t be able to crawl or jump out it.

        • heroay

          EASY. Just like the two last presidents of Mexico are related to the Sinaloa cartel, the cow dung at the D.C. Latrine is ‘related’ to both the illegal invasion, and the allowing of the cartel to encroach into MexiFornia.

          WHY? To excuse the militarization of poo-Lice. But for you, not for the cartel. However, the animals are digging such a hole, one day they won’t be able to crawl or fly out it.

    • Bob61

      I guess you missed the part about it being paid for by the feds.
      But don’t let that slow down your ignorance.

      • heroay

        And the feds pay it off with? Rapine Tax on Labor, as unconstitutional, as having a bunch of zio-rats ruling Washington. Don’t pretend ignorance.

  • P00dy

    Salinas, The armpit of the world. Been there, worked there have you? Then don’t believe what you see here. The Mexican Cartel and the gangs have taken the town hostage. It’s about time someone decided to take it back.

    • suzanne stevens

      I don’t know if I would call it Mexico North, but Salinas definitely has its problems. The murders of 2 police officers and the many drug related crimes may have something to do with the beefed up presence.

    • RealityAlwaysBites

      HA HA you make good joke, cowards never take back anything… they got it for nothing, it will rust away to nothing in a garage somewhere, or the cartel’s will steal it.

      • notfishing

        Heck the Cartel doesn’t have to steal, they spend over a Billion Dollars each year on armament. They’ll just buy them.

    • notfishing

      Salinas was a nice little town 20 years ago before the huge influx of Illegals.

      On thing that is overlooked is that when Reagan declared amnesty there were only 3 million illegals in the US and 90% of them were farm workers. Now there’s 30+ million (more than 3 million in California alone) and only 17% of them are farm workers. The rest take the best jobs they can – like in Construction pushing out US Citizen workers.

      • Doug

        That’s why you need the tank.

        • heroay

          Dough?? Such brilliant comment coming from the darkest place on land, is quite a dark message.

      • Lar

        Well, if someone’s going to work harder for less, they’re going to get the job over the people who feel ‘entitled’ to the work and higher pay.

        I’m not in support of illegal immigration, but I will definitely state that America (the USA) has some of the shittiest work ethics of any developed country.

        • notfishing

          You know that is a popular myth, not supported by the facts and designed to promote Amnesty for Illegals (or the employment of Illegals)

          For 2011 from US Dept of Labor Statistics (higher is better)
          US Labor Productivity (output per hour) 155.7
          Germany Labor Productivity (output per hour) 120.2
          Japan Productivity (output per hour) 140.2
          United Kingdom Productivity (output per hour) 139.6

          The irrefutable truth is that in Construction 25 years ago all the work was done by US Citizens. Now 17% of the 30 million Illegals work in Construction and the Government looks the other way. (Don’t Ask – Don’t Tell, sound familiar?)

          These were middle class jobs that are now taken by Illegals. (to bad for the Middle Class)

    • MSG L

      http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Salinas-California.html

      Here you go bud. This is truth, not conjecture. According to your stats, do you really need tanks? Watch how the will roll out this monstrosity for everything just to justify the expense of maintaining it.

  • Christian

    there is no reason to allow LLE weapons of war unless they plan on waging war against the residences. At that time LLE become the enemy even more than they are now.

    Good luck if you are a LEO.. I for one will not allow any LEO or government agency to run ruff shot over me or mine.

    • MoBetter2

      Don’t be surprised if it happens to you. Law enforcement in this country is out of control. Citizens are viewed as the enemy – to be intimidated, subjugated, belittled, abuse and cowed into immediate silence and compliance. A traffic stop can have you in handcuffs on a bogus charge within a couple of minutes if you contest the procedure too vocally.

      • Pamela K. Cahoon Laub

        At least 3 people who had minor traffic stops ended up in hospitals with rectal exams, multiple enemas, anal probes, colonoscopies, MRIs, etc. and nothing was found. The hospital then billed them.

        • RealityAlwaysBites

          The families of the victims need to return the favor on the ceo of the hospital, and all the traitorcops involved, except make it a barb wire enema and leave them way out in the desert.

        • heroay

          The animals are intimidating a helpless few, pretending they can disarm the rest without a revolution. The odds, insurmountable, but they will TRY as that’s all they can do.

      • Michael O’Brien

        That is what they have taught at Academy’s for years now . I know lots of older cops . They came up when you helped people . Now Blue is for blue not for you . They seem to forget where the money in their checks come from .Giving them military tools is like giving Billy an AK to bring to school because a bully called him names . Over Kill and KILL they will with “Justified” Shootings

        • MoBetter2

          You are absolutely correct, sir. Too many of today’s so-called law enforcement officers view everyone who does not wear the same uniform they do as enemies, to be silenced, intimidated, controlled, humiliated, threatened, bullied, assaulted at whim, and arrested on a bogus charge at the drop of a hat if a person dares to challenge their authority. Many are chicken-shit cowards, afraid of their own shadows, who share the same lame mantra: No matter what, I’m going home at the end of the day – as if every single person they have contact with is an direct and immediate threat to their life. Sadly, they will not learn until it is too late that they are outnumbered and surrounded.

          • heroay

            Do a search, and pass on to the population. Thanks to Oath Keepers, we know now that the first police dept. was invented in 1835 in Massachusetts, to eventually destroy the office of the Sheriff. The ONLY law enforcer that is Constitutional, because it is ELECTED by the People. The ‘others’, POLICY ENFORCERS, were devised to protect the incumbent, against the tax-robbed payers. Agreed? And Obongo the illegal alien usurper just said that the police does NOT have the obligation to protect the people in case of danger. Implying, ONLY to suck their money to feed themselves and their families. Low IQ 90, arrogant, militarized, and trained by the terrorist, anti-American ADL. Want cake?

        • heroay

          Please see my comment to Mo, below.

    • Bob61

      Since “ruff shot” only exists in your mind,would you allow them to run roughshod?

      • Michael O’Brien

        Lots of fools who equate Grammar & spelling with intelligence . Just shows stupidity is not just in the political realm . Another Christian hating in Gods name . Don’t have a political clue and about Christian as the Taliban . God has no Religion Haters. If he was so concerned you would be dust already

        • heroay

          It’s not really that MUCH stupidity. It’s is subversive DECEIT. “By way of deception you shall make war”… Remember that dung? Search for “Megaphone” program from tel aviv, and “Ambassadors to the Net”, also from tel aviv. And remember that all these dung cakes at Washington trying their best to destroy the U.S., are part of THAT same tribe. And so are, most of the ‘liberals’ and ‘leftists’ here. Know they ENEMY.

          • Michael O’Brien

            Left Right Dem Rep is a game so people don’t focus on what is actually happening. We need to take $ out of politics and end the Fed.for starters . Removal of any Statute of limitations for Financial crime would be a good move also .

          • heroay

            The commie bolsheviks invented the Demonic party, divide and conquer. It must be abolished and the dual-passport traitors charged and booked. ALL Letter Soup agencies, unconstitutional. OUT. ‘Czar’ bolsheviks, kicked out. US Silver dollar, restored, and its counterfeiters, hanged to dry, as demanded by an 1792 constitutional law still standing. And every traitor in the DC Latrine, to face constitutional justice, in times of WAR. Against Zion, since 1913. Then we will be FREE again.

      • heroay

        Visible, in full darkness. Zio-Troll, passing for simpleton ‘liberule’. Naught-naughty!

        • Bob61

          Nope.
          Just an English speaker.

  • OldmanRick

    The police department may have acquired the vehicle at a very low price. However, actual operating costs will swamp the department. It has lousy fuel consumption, spares will be difficult to acquire, and mechanics will have to be hired who know both the systems and repair procedures.

    • NoCrud

      Maybe The Obamaroid will give them a submarine on the next go-round… ☺

      • RealityAlwaysBites

        They are going to give them nukes next.

  • Jimbo Velasquez

    It looks like THAT police Force is “itching” to use their new “toys”.

    • NoCrud

      I also wonder how many of those uniformed and proud “boys” are products of the New Boy Scouts of American?

  • Arden Hale

    The mayor should have every member of the police department submit to a polygraph asking if they would enforce an order of Martial Law by the president. If they fail the test fire them. Obeying the Constitution trumps obeying an illegal executive order.

    • Michael O’Brien

      How about a nationwide Urine test for all who receive GOV money . Senate & Congress also everyone DEA Everyone . Bet over 100k would lose their jobs .

  • http://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/MIAMIGARNER miamigarner

    I guess all those vehicles and ammo there stocking up on might come in handy considering Obama’s immigration plan.

    • NoCrud

      Right. To protect the Illegals from Indignant and Patriotic Americans.

  • LogicNotHuff

    B. Hussein Obama has methodically (1) launched unprecedented spying programs which really are not Islamic terrorist focused but patriot American focused (2) bought 4 billion bullets for home agencies (3) conducts a raging lie-based propaganda war against any Constitutionalist Americans (i.e. Republicans) (4) implemented program after program which established iron-fist control of American population, like CommieCare health plan which is designed from the git-go (5) systematically destroyed to combat worthiness of the U. S. Military by stuffing it with American-hating homosexuals (6) implemented screening of Military officers to pick only those who will fire on American citizens (7) equipped local law enforcement with automatic weapons and tanks from sea to shining sea (8) flipped the government agencies to create special programs for classifying American patriots like Constitutionalists and retired military as enemies of the state. People, Obama is Adolph Hitler, and his European handlers (he in no way works for the American citizen) have dredged up Hitler’s tactics for Obama to use in getting his strategic arms around the American people so he can smash them. Obama is evil. Democrat Party is evil.

    • Pamela K. Cahoon Laub

      The administration also pushed for common Core – this is indoctrination of leftist agendas. They will be teaching kindergarten about gay sex.

      • NoCrud

        The ultimate goal is to turn over total control of the USA to the UN. It’s called Globalism. Or, if the person is a product of today’s public schools, the word is Gorebalization.

        • Michael O’Brien

          The New World Order . Now lets see who said that ? Stalin, Marx , Lenin , Oh & Hitler , & many many more including Bush Sr . The Repubs are raising a flag while they steal your money for the 1% who have no religion or Party ! The Dems are saying gee thats a shame while they give away your stuff to benefit the 1% who have no Party or Religion . But They Have satin . Get educated what the new world order is . Get educated about the FED printing $ that is useless if not for We The People , Not the 1% even though they control it . Money has value because we say it does . The Fed is a Private Bank that charges USA (You & I ) interest on money they print but have nothing to back it up . Wake up the D & R game is a scam .

        • eccles11

          Do you have any evidence for this?

          • heroay

            Your mere mouth is evidence of your pretentious but ignorant attempt at subverting this forum. Check your mirror.

          • eccles11

            I am evidence that the ultimate goal is UN control…

            Do you actually think your responses are clever? Or even coherent?

          • heroay

            Not to you. You ability to grasp reality is close to zero. Your programming denies you that faculty.

        • Michael O’Brien

          The New World Order . Right Read My Lips Bush the CIA boss who put his son in as President . These people don’t care dem or repub they want to control the world & You and I are excess people they do not need .

          • heroay

            Doug (Dough), eccles11 (mouth), and Bob69 (69) are obnoxious examples of zio-trolls online.

      • SJ Bishop

        I would not be surprised if they demonstrated the lifestyle. After all zero population expansion and a controlled population is the ideal for the progressives.

      • Michael O’Brien

        and where is this besides your head ? God said ? No he never did the bible said written by men & rewritten by men who molested children and kept people down all over the planet . God hates No body and Has NO Religion . Religions are groups who hate others in the name of God Like the Taliban & many Right wing Christians .

        • heroay

          Notice, the ‘hating God’ stuff comes from the OT. But since the Zio-talmudists coined the tag ‘judeo-Christianity’ in late 1800′s and finally printed it in the ‘Bible’, now Christianity (the NT) is bashed often enough for the sayings in the OLD. It’s a PLOT to destroy Christianity from within.

      • Doug

        Fortunately the tanks are gender neutral.

        • heroay

          Dough?? Wow! Such clever reasoning cannot come but from the darkest crevice on land!

    • Michael O’Brien

      Right The R’s started the “War on Terror that created all these toys and surplus . Trillion and counting and WMD’s ? Where are they ? But fight on we do to die for the Military Industrial Complex that Owns Bush Sr & Jr . Same Boss different teams fool . The Dem Rep is a smoke screen while they are stealing America ! Anyone who falls for The R Vs. D bullshit is a fool ! Fool

    • Michael O’Brien

      I notice those haters are just like most haters Cowards spewing hate behind anon ID’s . Acting like a terrorist trying to hurt people for their beliefs because they are not the same as their own . Just what terrorists do Coward terrorists !

  • Fantasiawave1

    These are Obamas military that’s how they got the vehicle. Obama is the one running this town mafia at large. Let’s see if it spreads across country. Need this on the boards.

    • Wanda K Grubbs

      already started sharing this, I say its the first one to be delivered, many more will be coming to towns/citys with large Populations! We knew the Government bought many of these! Just one of the huge expenditures they have done over the last four years!

    • Michael O’Brien

      NO Bush started this war . A Republican puppet that laughed the whole time . WMD’s Really You have the nerve to complain about Obama and GW cost USA over 1 Trillion and WMD’s NONE ! I think your helmet is to tight or your obtuse .

      • American Vet

        Are you serious? 1 Trillion? That’s it? How about the 9 Trillion Obama has racked up in 5 years. If you actually knew what you were talking about, instead of just spewing what you hear on MSNBC, you would know that the WMD’s were moved out of Iraq before we got there, FOOL!! Wow!! Go back to sleep, you idiot. The U.S. is just overflowing with morons like yourself. BTW, you used the wrong spelling for, “or your obtuse”. It’s “you’re” (you are). But it doesn’t surprise me.

        • eccles11

          Hi, can you please link me to the information regarding the movement of the WMDs from Iraq?

          • heroay

            i’ll search it for you, if you promise to replace your pink dress while on this forum…

          • eccles11

            An actual response would have contained the link, not an empty promise and a lame insult.

            If you must insist on personally responding to every comment I make in this section, at least make yourself entertaining.

          • heroay

            Am not your nanny, teacher, or reformist. You dig the truth, even if it hurts your agenda. Now, turn on your holyweird show again.

          • eccles11

            Then don’t offer to search for it, I wasn’t talking to you in the first place. Gosh you are dense.

          • heroay

            AAAH! But did you replace your pink dress already??? Naught!

        • Michael O’Brien

          Now I see why your hide like a coward behind anon ID . Lots to say like a terrorist hiding coward !

          • heroay

            He (it?) is not a coward, he is a homo zio-troll playing smart-funny, and sometimes smart-axx.

        • heroay

          It’s SO EASY to spot a dumbfound stupid zio-troll these days. Pathetic clown. YES, dumbo, there were NO WMD. Your criminal tribe invented LIE.

      • eccles11

        It’s sad though, half of these morons getting worked up now (justifiably so) will shut up and take It in the rear the next time an R is elected. Same thing happened to the left anti war movement when a D got in office.

        • heroay

          Humm…. is THERE where you take it, but voluntarily, to ‘work’ against this country, pinky?