Feisty Fla. town fights back: No, we won’t remove our Nativity from city hall

A national atheist group has demanded that a small Florida city remove a Nativity scene from City Hall, but the City Council is standing its ground.

After local TV reporter Randal Seyler contacted the Freedom From Religion Foundation to ask if Chipley’s public display was constitutional,  the organization took legal action, according to local NBC affiliate, WJHG News 7.

The Freedom From Religion Foundation sent an email to city officials saying, “The Supreme Court has ruled it impermissible to place a nativity scene as the sole focus of a display on government property.”

In written statement, Chipley Mayor Linda Cain responded that when the WJHG reporter ”

Chipley officials insist the display will not be removed, according to WJHG.

At a City Council meeting last week, residents spoke in support of keeping the display, saying they didn’t need an outside organization telling them what to do in their hometown.

In order to take the focus off the Nativity scene, Chipley officials added more decorations around the display, including a Christmas tree.

Council members say they will not back down.

Watch the report here via WJHG News 7:

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  • dba_vagabond_trader

    Good for Chipley, this is the way to defeat communist bullies. Defiance!

  • Julie Hanratty-Jacobs

    awesome, the American public is starting to find their backbones again!

  • http://www.noneedforastinkingwebsite.com dow daytrader

    instead of putting up a pagan tree as a response, the city should have put up a 2nd nativity scene….when will conservatives learn to “double down” when opposed by the Leftist tyranny? You never concede an inch, go on the offense! FIGHT YOU CONSERVATIVE WIMPS !….teach your citizens that the Constitution is the law of the land and “freedom OF religion” is Constitutional.

    • johnnydelgado

      If you do not like it here, get out of USA.

      • SpeakTruth

        Really? Your comment suggests ignorance, bigotry, and arrogance. OUR country has a rich tradition of differing opinions, ideas, languages, and cultures. I feel extremely lucky to be a citizen of this country even if it means sharing it with others that disagree with me.

        • stoptraffikorg

          Our country was founded by Christians who trusted in God. If you don’t like that then you can see your way to the border!

          • SpeakTruth

            Whether our founders were Christians or not is irrelevant to this discussion. There is even disagreement among scholars if that is even true. Nevertheless, what we do know is that they took great care that our country not endorse a particular religion. The very act of the government displaying a religious diorama does that very thing. If it is a country with a government endorsed religion that you want, perhaps it is you that is in the wrong country.

          • sroysr

            try reading the 1st amendment sometime. there is no mention anywhere of a seperation of church & state, nor “freedom from religion” instead, what it does say is that you cannot be prohibited from the free exercise thereof. simply being “offended” by a religious display is not enough to ban it constitutionally nor is it even an endorsement of any particular religion. you mouth mreathers really need to get over yourself.

          • SpeakTruth

            With all due respect, I am not offended by the nativity scene. The point of this discussion seems to be lost on you. Nor did I mention separation of church and state, nor freedom of religion. I did mention government endorsing a religion, and I don’t see how the government building displaying a nativity scene is not, in fact, endorsing Christianity. Perhaps it is you who should not only read the first amendment, but my post as well.

          • 4mercy

            Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Christ and the City hall is simply acknowledging its true meaning…but if they were to put up a decoration for Muslims or Hindus, I would have a hard time with that, so I do see your point. Our government is so broke they shouldn’t be spending money on decorations anyways….

          • SpeakTruth

            I agree with you there!
            I am not a troll. A friend sent me the link to this article because I am from another little town 30 min from Chipley. I love Christmas! I adopt families, organize Toys for Tots, and my husband and I take our children to the homeless shelter and serve dinner. It is a beautiful time for our family and friends and we say Merry Christmas. But, I am aware of others who feel offended when a government building displays religious articles. It isn’t about the nativity scene itself. It is more about knowing your government approves and advertizes a belief system that every citizen doesn’t have. And it isn’t the same thing when historical artifacts or art from other countries and cultures are displayed at the Capitol. It is my belief that by keeping those types of displays off government property every citizen is equally protected and represented.

          • sallychuck

            The president holds Iftar dinner, celebrates Ramadan at the White House and has ordered NASA to reach out and highlight the Muslim community’s contribution to science. If that does not look like government endorsing and expanding one particular religion to you, I don’t know what is. The president is fully displaying his religious inclination (I’m not calling him outright a Muslim since he doggedly profess to be a Christian during his campaigns) but the White House is the highest seat of our government. The people are simple folks exercising their religious faith just as Obama is. If you truly think that the nativity display is “government endorsing Christianity”, then I CHALLENGE YOU TO “SPEAK TRUTH” AND START AN OFFICIAL PETITION TO STOP THE WHITE HOUSE FROM CELEBRATING ISLAM OR ANY FORM OF RELIGION AT ANY OFFICIAL EVENT OR SPEECH.

          • SpeakTruth

            The President also hosts Christmas dinners, Sedar dinners, and no telling how many others to honor the various religions of our citizenry. I see that as quite the opposite of endorsing or expanding one particular religion. That is not to say I agree with everything the President does, but to honor more than just the Christian religion is an attempt at inclusion, not exclusion.

          • sallychuck

            The president held Iftar dinner specifically because of Ramadan, the same way that this Florida town displayed the nativity scene specifically to celebrate the birth of Christ. Why can’t a mayor allow Christians do on the city hall grounds what the president does in the White House? I did not see a cross while he delivered his Iftar address, why should Christian be forced to add non-Christian things to their Christmas display? I don’t know what other religious events Florida celebrates but if the Buddhists, Muslims, and other faiths applied for a permit to do so, I’m sure the city would approve it. It’s not the city’s choice but a guaranteed Constitutional right. First Amendment includes all religions, including Christianity.

          • SpeakTruth

            He didn’t have a cross displayed during an Iftar dinner because it wasn’t appropriate. As I said in a previous post, the President hosts dinners in celebration of different faiths including Christmas. It is not only in honor of the varied faiths of our citizenry but also for matters of diplomacy. This is not an endorsement of one particular faith, but the opposite.

          • sallychuck

            I’m glad that you said that a cross to be displayed during an iftar dinner is inappropriate. So what makes this nativity scene inappropriate for the celebration of Christmas? If the White House can be inclusive, why can’t the city hall?

          • SpeakTruth

            I’m glad you said you were glad that I said a cross displayed during an Iftar dinner was inappropriate, in other words, agreeing with me.

            Now, I know, of course, that is not what was meant by your statement. I only took a sentence from your post and responded to that without taking into account the rest of your post, which is what you did.
            By comparing the dinner with the nativity display, you are comparing apples to oranges. However, I will do my best to defend the comparison. The White House is not only a government building, but the President’s place of residence. It is a tradition of his office to regularly host dignitaries, ambassadors, honorary guests, etc at holiday celebrations, dinners, parties, etc. year round as well as live and worship and celebrate privately with family and friends. (It is my recollection that Americans have never expected our President to not celebrate Christmas in the White House while in office.) At each celebration he would pay respect to the current event at hand. To compare that to the city hall nativity scene would be that throughout the year each religious holiday would be recognized and displayed as the year went by. That would be time consuming for the employees, costly for tax payers, and offensive to some. It would be silly in my opinion as well. The sensible thing to do would be to conduct government business on government property and leave one’s personal religious beliefs at private buildings.

          • sallychuck

            I meant exactly what I said that a cross at an iftar dinner would be inappropriate, if not disrespectful. But you still haven’t answered why a nativity display to celebrate Christmas is inappropriate on the city hall grounds, which is as much a government property as the White House. That is an apple-to-apple comparison. The president held the iftar dinner to recognize the Muslim community just as the mayor allowed the nativity display to recognize her Christian constituents. The cost to the government (federal, state or city level) in celebrating these events, in time and in money, is irrelevant to the issue at hand and remains simply opinion of yours. By justifying what the president does at the WH , and then denying the same to the mayor at the same time, you have just made a case that the Presidency is somehow above all the rest of us citizenry. You are flat wrong about that. Presidents should, as they must, abide by the same laws as the rest of us. Until you can find a coherent explanation that the White House is somehow a government cut above the rest from all local governments (in this case, this Florida city), operating under different laws, then you cannot say “The sensible thing to do would be to conduct government business on
            government property and leave one’s personal religious beliefs at
            private buildings.” Honoring and allowing religious celebrations have always been a “government business” that every single president who sat in the WH has done, just as any mayor of any city should be free to do as well.

          • SpeakTruth

            Ma’am, it does appear we are at an impasse. I, of course, CAN say whatever I choose. I have made a concerted effort to couch each of my posts as my opinion (which should be obvious at any rate) and to be respectful and diligent in responding to every person that responded to me in the clearest manner. The fact that you disagree with me is evident. The White House is a government building, as you and I have agreed. The fact that it also happens to be a residence doesn’t make it a “cut above the rest” but merely different, much like the Governor’s mansion versus the state Capitol. There is a difference between the Governor holding a dinner at his official residence in honor of any particular religion and a nativity scene, menorah, pentagram, etc. being put on display at the Capitol. The same follows with the city hall. As far as the cost, distraction, employees’ time, etc. goes, it does seem sensible that all of this could be avoided if none of those things were permitted on government property. Perhaps those things are not relevant to you, but it makes a big difference to me. In case you haven’t read my responses to others, I happen to live in Tallahassee and am from the Chipley area. Because a nativity scene was allowed through permit to be displayed at our Capitol, we now have a Festivus Pole, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, and The Satanic Temple has applied for a permit for a display as well. In order to be “fair” or “PC” or “lawsuit free” these permits must be granted. Now, in my humble opinion, this is all ridiculous. I personally know many people in the city of Chipley, and know they had no political agenda when they put up their display. My argument for its removal is purely on principle. However, the group that applied for permit to display the nativity scene at our state Capitol is different. They knew and expected the silliness that followed. To say that the displays at a state Capitol building or a city hall building is the same thing as a governor, President, or mayor hosting a dinner in their residence be it White House, Governor’s mansion, or a mayor’s residence is the same as comparing apples to oranges, IN MY OPINION.

          • sallychuck

            I do agree that we are at an impasse. I have to say though that the White House or the Governor’s mansion being “official residences” do not make them any different from a state Capitol or city hall. They are funded by the taxpayers, thus are subject to the same laws and restrictions and scrutiny. That’s why a president or governor has to conduct himself/herself in a business-like manner because they represent their constituents. You and your town have my sympathy, though, for the kind of circus that the public displays have turned out. Such is the sad state of affairs nowadays. But Flying Spaghetti Monsters or Nativity display or what-not, this is all about the First Amendment – which is also what we are both doing here. We obviously disagree but I respect your opinion and I thank you for this exchange. You have a goodnight!

          • SpeakTruth

            Agree to disagree, then, and thank you for your sympathy. The First Amendment is a beautiful thing. Merry Christmas to you, and goodnight.

          • sallychuck

            Merry Christmas to you and yours as well! :)

          • Fred Raby

            Then Sharia Law would be OK with you in our Country?

          • SpeakTruth

            Sir, I fear you have responded to the wrong post. It is either that or you have difficulty with reading comprehension.

          • overloard

            For your information, the president IS a muslim………….his membership in Reverand Wright’s church in Chicago was nothing more then window dressing for political reasons. His concern for the ways muslims are treated far out weighs his concern for Christions. Case in point the slaughter of Coptic Christians in Egypt. As for a muslim “scene” as you put it, that was hypothetical. The only scene muslims have is a beheading.

          • SpeakTruth

            Because you believe or suspect something to be true, doesn’t make it so. And you can’t give examples of other religions displaying on government property because it just doesn’t happen without a Christian display motivating one.

          • PhoenixALS

            So what if the locals decide to endorse Christianity if it doesn’t offend their masses. I want to point out that local governments actually have jurisdiction OVER the federal government according to the Constitution. Federal government is restricted only to power under what is written in the articles and amendments of the Constitution. Local authorities have power over what goes on in their neighborhoods as long as they do not detract from the Constitution. Since the Constitution does not indicate any separation of church and state other than disallowing persecution for practicing a recognized religion, no outside entity has the right to force a local government to display something that is acceptable to the majority of their residents.

          • SpeakTruth

            Honestly, I don’t know what I think should happen in your example. If every citizen of the city did, in fact, endorse Christianity and wanted the nativity scene to stay, I would be sympathetic. I stated in another post that I am from the area and know many of the people of Chipley. I know their display was not politically motivated, and know most of the people to be Christian. In the extreme case, though, what if the majority voted to not educate their children, or to keep Jewish people out of their town? Personally, I love Christmas. I am an atheist, but celebrate the holiday in a secular manner. I even have a small nativity scene in my home and my children know the story. In my opinion, however, religion has no place in government, and minority choice is recognized. I would think the vast majority of us would vote that the small church that protests at the funerals of our veterans is cruel, hateful, and wrong. But, alas, their minority voice is allowed to spew vile comments to mourning vet families.

          • Fred Raby

            Our Government don’t indorse any particular religion, it endorses God. As far as I know that covers almost every religion on earth.

          • SpeakTruth

            It appears that you don’t understand the discussion. Good night, sir.

          • Wyatt Green

            Perhaps when a majority rules in a town, county or even state that the wishes of the people have prevailed. If the minority doesn’t like it I say either keep quit or move. My town I’m pround to say also has a nativity scene because the majority wanted it. Now take your sociological bullshit somewhere else.

          • SpeakTruth

            Sir, the fact that you do live in another town is one in which I am most grateful.

          • Pat Latner White

            Lol, looks like you opened and undending can of worms here.

          • SpeakTruth

            It’s ok. It is just disheartening that so many people sink to name calling and profanity. I have actually communicated with some nice people here. Maybe we still disagreed, but the discussion was thoughtful and well presented. Take care.

        • overloard

          It’s not ignorant, bigotry, or arrogance, to be tired of the ACLU et al telling us we can’t be leve as Christians. Now if that was a muslim scene I bet obama would be the first to tell everyone to lay off, so that we wouldn’t hurt anyones feelings. As a Christian I’m sick and tired of being bullied, Christ said” turn the other cheek” but he also said to “smite thine enemy”.

          • SpeakTruth

            I think you misunderstood. My post was directly in response to Johnnydelgado’s. I am not aware of any Christian being told they cannot believe by the ACLU. Certainly not in this article or any of these posts I have read here. And when was the last time you saw or heard about a Muslim “scene” on government property or any other religious “scene”? How are you being bullied?

          • sallychuck

            Ramadan, iftar dinners hosted by the president at the White House. If those aren’t “Muslim scene on government property,” I don’t know what it.

          • SpeakTruth

            Again, by hosting various religious celebrations throughout the year, as previous administrations have done, is a show of inclusion of the many faiths of this country. You would find it more to your own liking if the Christian faith were the only one recognized, celebrated, and endorsed? You seem to be terribly offended by the Iftar dinner. Hmmmmm

          • sallychuck

            I am not at all offended by the Iftar dinner. I cited Iftar because it is a specific celebration of a Muslim faith, just like Christmas is a specific observance of the Christian faith. I actually laud the idea of the annual National Prayer Breakfast which brings together people of all faiths to DC. But you did not respond to my point that the Iftar dinner is a “Muslim scene on government property” – which invalidates your point that Christians cannot put out religious displays on government grounds (in this case the nativity scene).

      • Jan C White

        I’ll let you select what rights you are concerned with.and if you would like to further discuss them.I will be more then to.

    • Dwight Upton

      Only atheists try to claim the Cristmas tradition of decorating a tree is pagan and associate it with Nimrod the grandson of Noah. That is nothing but far reaching tripe.

  • JerryS

    A Nativity scene does not belong in City Hall, period. It is inappropriate and there is no reason for it.

    • Kenneth Clark

      JerryS,
      It belongs anywhere the People want it. Remember… “By the People and for the People. It is the choice of the people because it is their government.

      • Doug

        People wrote the laws. If the people say your dog should die because they don’t like it should it happen?

        • John S

          Doug, that’s just a stupid comment.

          • Doug

            I agree. On reflection it makes no sense. Mea maxima culpa.

        • Kenneth Clark

          Doug, that very thing happens daily in various communities across the nation. Do I agree? I can’t make a general yes or no to that. However, in this case, the local government is obviously performing as the people who put them there expect. This is clearly what the majority of the people there want.

      • Suzi D

        Read the article. “The People” of the town wanted it.

        • Spicy Ray Swinehart-Patrick

          That’s what he said too?

      • SpeakTruth

        What “people”? Those that knew about the city council meeting and had the time and means to go and express an opinion that is shared by the city council? What about the people that were unable to go or afraid to voice their opinion because they were of a different religion or believe that religion and government should be separate? Did the city of Chipley ask every single tax paying citizen what they wanted? Of course not. That would be absurd. In this country, even the minority has rights.

        • Kenneth Clark

          Of course they didnt ask each citizen. It was implied due to the lack of complaints by the voters. Therefore this “National Org” should stop trolling the streets in order to create a conflict that simply does not exist in order to shove their agenda upon unsuspecting jurisdictions of which they have no voting power. This is nothing less than an oo remove the rights of impose their own agenda upon the citizens of that community.

        • stoptraffikorg

          If you think something is important you make time for it. If you don’t then you have not found it that important.

          • SpeakTruth

            Perhaps work, sickness, children, fear of being ostracized from neighbors, lack of knowledge of the meeting, etc., precluded some from voicing their opinion. Neither you nor I know if there even is such a person, which was my point. That is why we have laws precluding such displays on government property, so that no person feel alienated from their government. The government displaying/endorsing a particular religion in and of itself may silence citizens from voicing their objections.

        • Jan C White

          Are you saying all the people of the United States knew about the meetings that determined Obama Care?. Please give me a break. I suppose you were one that didn’t know about the meeting;RIGHT???? Or better yet you don’t live in Chipley so please keep you opinion to yourself.

          • SpeakTruth

            With all due respect, sir, you do not know where I live. You know absolutely nothing about me other than what I have chosen to share. Also, I think you might be confused. The point of the post was that when a government office displays a particular religion’s articles, that in itself may prohibit citizens from participating. To encourage citizen participation government should at least appear impartial.

          • Jan C White

            I’m sorry you are stuck in your world and blinded by a minority. The majority rules.And in this case The Nativity stays put.

          • SpeakTruth

            I love the world we all share. I find it beautiful, interesting, filled with opportunities to learn new things and meet new people. It is filled with injustices, however, and as a human being with a love of my fellow man, I feel a duty and responsibility to do what I can to leave it better than I found it for future generations. One of the small things I try to do is to be kind to people and treat them as I would like to be treated. (An idea that predates the Bible, by the way and is stated in most religious texts). And as far as majority rules, that isn’t necessarily true. Our country recognizes and protects the minority as well.

          • vonnise

            SpeakTruth, did you vote for Obama?

          • SpeakTruth

            Vonnise, I prefer not to say who I voted for only because many would assume I believed/supported/condoned a set ideology of a candidate or his/her party. I have stated in another post some of my political background. I have campaigned and worked for pay for the Republican Party of Florida. I have financially supported both parties and have voted for both parties. There has never been a presidential candidate that I agreed with in total, so I try to vote for the person that comes closest. I would characterize myself as fiscally conservative, socially liberal so finding a candidate is difficult. What about you?

          • vonnise

            Me, no riding the fence for me…. the last democrat I voted for was Carter, look what a disaster that turned out to be. I will vote in every election, but I will cast my vote for a zoo monkey before I will ever vote for another dastardly egg-sucking democrat.

          • SpeakTruth

            Lol! I stated in an earlier post that in my opinion, our political system is rife with legal corruption. Lobbyists, big business, special interest groups cripple the ability of the lawmaker to vote and make decisions in the best interests of the people. I have become so disillusioned with the election process. My husband and I have financially contributed to many good people running for office. I believe (maybe naively) that most candidates have good intentions. But, once elected, they realize they cannot do anything without party approval, without burning a bridge with a contributor, etc. So, I get requests for another contribution the month after they take office! The campaign begins again. And we are left with a paralyzed government.

          • vonnise

            Well, I have to give it to you. You are paying attention, not like most. I wish you well.

          • SpeakTruth

            You too. I fear we will need it.

          • vonnise

            Great post, Jan!! I was thinking the same thing as I am reading these comments!!
            Merry Christmas to you and your family!!

        • 19Robes50

          And if you fail to vote and your candidate loses by one vote, would you still be grousing because you weren’t able to make it to the poles? You would still be entitled to your opinion but, the “majority” ruled your opinion to be irrelevant.

          • SpeakTruth

            It is my opinion that it not the same thing. This topic should not have been put to a vote in the first place.

          • 19Robes50

            I am from Maryland… A more Democratic Party it could never be. About 40 years ago, it was deemed that we needed a 2nd Bay Bridge. The truth is that we did in fact need it. However, the Maryland citizenry wanted that bridge built further north that the existing bridge. That way, the existing bridge would serve central Maryland… The Bridge-Tunnel in the south (Virginia actually) would serve Southern Maryland, and the voters wanted a bridge from Baltimore to the Eastern Shore to serve the north.

            It was a very contentious issue. Finally it was placed on “referendum” the citizens voted in favor of the northern span.

            Our wonderful, absolutely democratic controlled state house decided that a parallel span would be better for us, and that is what we got! (As it turned out, there were a few people in authority who owned the land where the approach roads would be. ) My guess is that you can see why we were saddled with the parallel span despite the voter’s wishes.

            When it all comes down to it… “If our votes really mattered… They wouldn’t let us have them.

            Needless to say, I am very disillusioned about government and their desire to represent the people.

          • SpeakTruth

            On that we can agree. I grew up in a very small town very close to Chipley, graduated from FSU (Go Noles!) with a degree in Political Science. My aunt was the Supervisor of Elections in our county for 40 years, and I worked for the Republican Party of Florida during and after college. I had idealistic views of our government and its representatives, and to this day have never missed voting in an election. Over the last SEVERAL years, I too have become disgusted. The campaign has become the job. The lobbyists and big business have become the bosses, and character has been replaced with charisma and sound bites. Neither party is immune.

          • Jan C White

            Finally I agree with you

      • Jan C White

        Thank you

    • PapaTodd

      And why is it inappropriate?

      • Eric

        Because Jerry doesnt like it. SMH

      • Hargraves Ian

        Its inappropriate because some imbicile forgets that Christmas is Christs birthday. I bet Mr Jerry Shithead has the day off from work, has a big dinner and presents because bigots do that. Go to work and have a normal workday and give all the gifts away.

    • Eric

      Your opinion and nothing more.

    • Hargraves Ian

      BOLLOCKS JERRYS

    • LMW51

      Baloney. If the towns people are for it then it is completely appropriate. We are a government by the people for the people. THAT government represents the people of that town who don’t object to the Nativity Scene being on display.

    • Suzi D

      No picture JerryS. State why it is inappropriate.

    • frank002

      Hey, whose birthday are we celebrating? It’s Jesus’ birthday and the atheists can kiss my ass.

      • Doug

        More ass comments from the Christians.

        • jjkrjw

          If there is an ass in the nativity scene, Doug, is it you?

          • Doug

            You never know.

        • Jan C White

          Doug is that all you can say? please keep it to yourself I for one don’t think its appropriate. No offense

          • EliseR

            You chastise Doug, but find Frank’s comment of “kiss my ass” to be fine? Hypocrite.

          • Jan C White

            Where did you come from I never commented one way another on Frank’s comment. Are you living in the double standard world. If I like it its ok if I don’t like it I’m right and you are wrong.
            please no name calling its not becoming of you

          • Fred Raby

            Kiss my ass was not in reguard to the nativity scene

    • Brad Cooper

      Hey DUMBASS!! Jesus is the reason for the season! Maybe you can relay that message to the rest of the educated IDIOTS (libtards, and everyone else who have NOTHING better to do) that try to run everyone elses business! It’s even printed on your money…..IN GOD WE TRUST.

      • bobfairlane

        “In God We Trust” is just the state flattering itself. hahhahaa. Why do you think it’s on money. Jesus is the reason for the traffic, and the jew-worshipping IDIOTS trying to turn the country into a ludicrous theocracy.

    • David B Xanten

      Why?, it belongs to all the people of the town and they are the only ones that should be able to object.

    • Joan Barrett

      Why don’t you move to Iran you pagan moron.

    • James W.

      screw you. if it makes you so upset. go live somewhere that christmas is not observed.

      • stoptraffikorg

        Like Sudan

    • James Walker

      Pitiful little monkeyboy,your faith is weak.

    • 2197_uxo_1

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
      prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
      speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
      assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.No where in the first amendment does it prohibit placing any religous display anywhere we the people want to place them. The amendments are not about what the government says we acnnot do they are about what they cannot do!

    • stoptraffikorg

      Just because you have an opinion does not mean that your opinion is the right opinion. God bless you.

    • Jan C White

      As of today we live in a free country and you are entitled to your opinion/ not everyone will agree with you and that’s ok. Please don’t try to push your opinion on the people you disagree with you..

      • JerryS

        I am just expressing my opinion along with everyone else. If you want a Nativity scene, that’s fine but on your own property not mine. Public property is owned by all of us, including me.

        • Jan C White

          Jerry I appreciate your opinion. I believe a small American City should have the right to follow what the citizens of Chipley want. That is why they all live in a small town they just want to left alone.

          • JerryS

            Even small towns need to respect the rights of the minority, which is why a burning cross would also be wrong. A small town is not an island and must be just as careful to be fair to all its citizens.

          • Jan C White

            what gives you the RIGHT to tell the people of Chipley that can’t celebrate. This is typical of double standards. you can do what you want to, but I can’t. the hell with the feelings of the minority I have enough of it. As all should respect the rights of others it goes both ways.

          • JerryS

            These people are a diverse heterogeneous group and the majority should not supersede the rights of the minority.

          • Jan C White

            I agree nor should the minority supersede the rights of the majority. and where I come from the majority rules and this country didn’t become the country it is by appeasing every little wimpy group because their feelings where hurt. I’m sorry I am over caring about stepping on anyone’s toes that is a sycophant and can only follow what they are told what to drink and where to go. again drinking the cool aid.Try once in your life to look at both sides., We should not have double standards. If I want to have a huge Christmas tree in my yard and you don’t like it I really don’t care if I hurt your feelings its my property not yours. I will pray for you to have eyes wide open.

          • JerryS

            What you do in your yard is different from a public place like a government building. That is the whole point.

          • Jan C White

            I agree, we all have limits of what we can do in our own yards to protect others. I am still in agreement that if the city wants and votes for keeping the nativity on city property they should keep it. especially when its what the majority of this country stand for. Its like someone buys a house next to an airport and then co,plains that its too noisy. Hell the airport was there before they bought the house and want to change it because it doesn’t suit them. Again if we cannot get along with everyone and the minority wants to continue to change history we will never see eye to eye.. I heard today minority wants yo have a black Santa Claus WHY????? If it doesn’t fit me its not right again double standards

          • Fred Raby

            Is the property in question state or federal?

          • Jan C White

            state

          • Fred Raby

            Then your OK with Sharia Law?

          • Jan C White

            no I am not thank you

          • Fred Raby

            KKK is not a religion

  • yyysguy

    Chipley’s actions are clearly unconstitutional. The only tyranny here is the town’s blatant disregard for the law. The only bullies here are the Christians who trample the rights of all others in the pursuit of their imaginary god, who lie in the name of their religion, who spit on the flag and this country with their actions.

    • EliseR

      Don’t you know that Christians are exempt from laws? They can do whatever they want and claim it’s their right even when judges and courts disagree with them. But try to put up a display from another religion, it’s another story. And everyone MUST greet them with the holiday wish THEY choose or they scream they are being persecuted. No tolerance or turning the other cheek or doing unto others as you would have done unto you.

      • PapaTodd

        Seems to me that the only intolerance is coming from you….

      • Kenneth Clark

        EliseR,
        Again you resort to accusations and belittleing of those whom you know nothing about. A simple read of the Declaration of Independaence and the Constitution will show the Judeo Christian principles this country was founded upon and from where our core laws originated.
        There is no lack of tollerance of these folks. It is their government that they put in place for themselves. No one nor any entity has the right to demand that they remove any display they erect in celebration. Why? As I reminded JerryS above, it is their government, that they placed in office for themselves. Obviously this local government is doing exactly what their people want. No one outside has any right to force them to do anything otherwise.

        • PapaTodd

          Well written, Kenneth. But you are now assuming that these intolerant authoritarians have actually read either of our founding documents.

          • Kenneth Clark

            Thank you, kind sir. I made no assumption. I recommended a quick read in hopes that they would for their own good. I can always hope… :-)

          • Doug

            When you assume you….never mind there’s too many posterior comments from Cindy Vallone already.

        • Charles Sparrow

          Being stubborn as a fence post in the face of contradicting facts is not debate, it’s pure ignorance. Stop wasting our time.

          • Kenneth Clark

            Mr. Sparrow,
            What gives an organization authority to police local government that has been duly elected to serve the will of the people?
            Obviously the only contradiction here is outsiders thinking they have a autonomy to rule all… They don’t and as long as the Constitution stands as law of the land, they never will.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Because religion and religious stuff is the worst thing in the world, used by the worst people in the world to pretend they are not the worst people in the world. By calling some one outsiders they pretend they live in they own country and they don’t. It’s unpatriotic and un-American and shows they hate America.

          • Kenneth Clark

            Not from around here… are ya?

          • Charles Sparrow

            Bronson, Levy County, another rectum of the bowels of the bible belt. Backward, racist, ignorant, hateful, inbred hypocrites, W/ 148 churches, 10 comm. on courthouse , pretending to be sooooooooo….religious. They hate our laws, constitution, and America too. They r unpatriotic, just like shitley=the worst towns and people in the world.

          • Kenneth Clark

            Charles,
            Throughout my life I have learned many things. One of which I hold as one of my life’s guidances. It is this; Religion, in and of its self will destroy one simply because men (people) manipulate the Religion to fit their own desireshich is in direct contradiction of what God desires for us. On the other hand, God, if you will allow, will lead us through life as he intended. No, it is not easy but in the long run, the legacy of the life you live, being led by God, will in fact be a legacy very few can leave behind and will have been a life well lived.
            Not all who claim to be Christian are truly such. They tend to use it to their advantage when they feel it necessary. Unfortunate for them.
            However, I have met and been associated with a few people in my life that live, to the best of their human ability, the Chritian life. They are people who truly love and follow God. They are few but never the less I do know that there are those out there who are real and do no tout religion as a shield.
            These things I have also learned:
            1. As difficult as it may seem we as Christians must overlook the ignorance of others and live our life as a true example of what God expects as best we can.
            2. Never waiver from #1 above and still stand for what is right and true.
            3. Yes, as humans, we often fail in #1 and #2. But, we are to dust ourself off and do as best we can to follow God’s intended path for us.
            4. Finally, realize that attacking a person because you may not agree

          • Charles Sparrow

            I didn’t stutter. Go tell it to ur toaster, it will probably talk back and ya’ll can have an intelligent conversation-on ur level.

          • Kenneth Clark

            Then you have an option. There is a big world out there. Surely there is a place on this planet that fits you. Washington D.C. perhaps…

      • John S

        Ah, there’s my favorite little troll again.

      • Eric

        Why are you so filled with hate?

      • Hargraves Ian

        Wow another one. Celebrate arseholes day .

        • Doug

          There’s another posterior reference.

          • making_pie

            Libertard ass-wipe.

          • stoptraffikorg

            Merry Christmas!

      • LMW51

        Oh stop the hyperbole.

        The TOWN COUNCIL was elected by the people of that town and serve the people of that town. The people of that town WANT their Nativity Scene in place at THEIR city hall.

        The Council is not requiring non-believes to pay a “tithe” to that Nativity Scene. It is not requiring non – believers to pray at that nativity scene. THAT was the intent of the Freedom OF Religion part of our Bill of Rights – to stop the government from forcing people to pray, tithe or attend a building of a particular faith.

        Until those who glory in their ignorance of the Constitution wake up to their own ignorance, we will continue to lose liberty after liberty.

        Read something of history why don’t you? I mean read actual documents instead of listening to the Progressive/Socialists who fill your flipping head with propaganda.

        • 19Robes50

          LMW51~ You hit the nail squarely on the head “Freedom OF Religion.” It is not our nations responsibility to shield you from other beliefs, displays, anthems. It is their responsibility to not force you to observe them. Look away… It’s a real simple game.

          • Charles Sparrow

            The “Rules of the game” IS freedom from religion too. So say the courts.

          • 19Robes50

            Nowhere is that written in The Constitution. The courts have been wrong before, many times it seems. The courts once allowed slavery… The courts once declared that a black person was 3/5ths of a man.

            Next?

          • Charles Sparrow

            Who knows what will happen? It depends who sets on the courts, religious nuts, or normal people.

        • Charles Sparrow

          Read court decisions.

      • Incognito

        Christians are not exempt from the law but the constitution allows that nativity scene to be put there.. It’s called ‘Freedom OF Religion’ and that’s in the constitution but nowhere in the constitution does it state freedom ‘from’ religion and if it bothers you, go live somewhere else where you are free ‘from’ religion.. this country was built ON Christian values.. And I’m sick of people like you standing up for doing your best to take that away from the American people.

        • Charles Sparrow

          We hear u Sarah Palin.

      • frank002

        Cry me a river Elise. This country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. You know what Jesus did to the thieves dishonoring the temple? He fashioned a whip and kicked their collective asses.
        I, for one, an sick of you atheists throwing hissy fits every time a Nativity Scene pops up during Christ’s birthday. Feel free to move to Iran where you will be forced to wear a burqa and have no rights.

        • Doug

          Great torch song by the late Julie London.

        • Charles Sparrow

          Why don’t u move to heaven?

      • cstrenio7

        Christian should have stood up hard and stronger than they have. They are not exempt from any law. And we have turn the other cheek for a long time.

      • Mlm46

        What if all the people in Chipley wanted the Nativity where it was? Not one of the voting public complained, should outside people tell them what to do? The minority don’t get to decide what others do in their own towns, just like others don’t decide what people do in the privacy of their homes. If you are offended, then don’t go to Chipley!

        • Charles Sparrow

          What a blithering idiot.

          • Mlm46

            Who?

          • Charles Sparrow

            If u r 1 of the worst people in the world who hides behind religious beliefs-the worst thing in the world, the post applies. If u ain’t, it don’t

          • Mlm46

            That is your opinion and not a very smart one at that! I don’t hide behind any religion. I am not particularly very religious, but I believe everyone should be entitled to whatever they do believe in and people should mind their own business and go by the adage, “live and let live”! Why does it bother you so much, if people want to believe in God ?How is it hurting you?

          • Charles Sparrow

            It don’t, as long as it ain’t on public property.

        • Charles Sparrow

          U r 1 of the worst people in the world hiding behind religious beliefs-the worst thing in the world. Like the backward, ignorant, inbred town and people of Shitley, who pretend to have their own country, who hates our laws, constitution and America. It’s unpatriotic. That’s what it is.

          • Mlm46

            What do you care what other people want to do in their own town. A larger town or city, I can understand because it is more diverse, but a small town that wants to celebrate this way should be no concern of yours. For your information, I am not a very religious person, but I respect those that have their beliefs and it shouldn’t hurt you in any way. Why does it bother you so much? I am not hiding behind anything and I know of no one that hates our laws and the Constitution but the haters of letting people have their beliefs.

          • Charles Sparrow

            For the ten thousandth time-The size of a town doesn’t matter. That is gov. owned property. Officials allowing a religious display on it gives tacit approval of that religion, violating the separation of church and state. There should be no religious displays on gov. property at all, but if they allow 1 they have to allow all. Historically Christians assume that they and only they can have a display, besides the fact it violates separation of church and state. The courts have ruled repeatedly stetting the parameters of the establishment clause and separation of church and state. In spite of numerous court rulings people still want to argue that point. This is my last post ever explaining that. From now on i’ll simply say, ” U want to argue that point, argue it with the courts”. They can believe what they want as long as they keep it to themselves, but they wont, and they want to argue about that too. That’s another argument I’m tired of going over and over. It’s exhausting and exasperating. It does not seem to matter how much detail one goes into to explain this, a post always comes back as if they didn’t hear a word that was said. It becomes a waste of time.

          • Mlm46

            You are right! It is a waste of time! I really don’t care about this issue. I would just like to see less nastiness with anyone who disagrees with this either way. People make too much of it! Believe or don’t believe,do it or shut up!

      • Jennifer Mcneal

        FUNNY how the liberals are forever quoting from a bible and a constitution that they do not live by or believe in or obey as law , Yet they think WE THE FREE BORN AMERICANS AGAINST FILTH should have to . YET we are the interlopers and the hypocritical ones ? GET A LIFE , because there is no where in the bible that told us as Christians to turn the other cheek to satan or to the filth he brought in with him . JUST AS GOD does not tell us to pray for the antichrist or the beast system , just our actual leaders . GOD LED THE HEBREW OR ISRAELI ARMY TO VICTORIES only when they started drifting into a lazy ME ME ME state of mind did they fall prey victims to the enemy . JUST AS AMERICANS HAVE GROWN LAZY and feeling entitled has done as MLK jr. said it would do to us , PUT US INTO THE HANDS OF A PEOPLE WHO DOES NOT EVEN KNOW WHO OUR GOD IS .

        • Charles Sparrow

          It’s a good thing animals can’t read-it protects them from becoming infected.

      • jjkrjw

        From what laws have Christians been exempt? I can only think of the exemptions muslims get. They consider insurance a form of gambling, so they are exempt from obamacare, which means the rest of us will pay for their health care.

      • making_pie

        lol, you just described a Libertard. You Libertard.

      • Jan C White

        I’m sorry you have the wrong group that is being oppressed asked Oprah

      • Charles Sparrow

        Right. My compliments.

    • PapaTodd

      Remember the good old days when liberals were…..well liberal? Seems to me the only ones I see spitting on the flag are you liberal/authoritarians….

      • yyysguy

        That’s because you’re looking in the mirror. The law is crystal clear. Chipley is deliberately and knowingly violating the law, and you agree with this action. The Chipley people, and others like you are not patriots. You believe it is your right to violate the constitution and trample on all our rights because of your delusions.

        • PapaTodd

          Please explain where the city is violating the Constitution, if you can…

          • MobileMarine

            He can’t explain it. All they do is keep saying the constitution prohibits it. It is like Obama and his lies. He thinks if he keeps telling them you will eventually will believe them.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Keep repeating that god exists and eventually u’ll believe it.

          • yyysguy

            The “law” is the Constitution of the US. It guarantees our freedom of religion. If you want to worship at the church of your choice, the constitution guarantees that the government cannot infringe on that right. If you want to put up a creche on your church property, no one can stop you and no one can claim a legal reason not to. To safeguard this freedom, the supreme court has ruled that the government cannot endorse one religion (e.g. Christianity) over another and it can’t endorse religion over non-religion. Displaying the creche on government property violates this. Imagine if instead of a creche, the display was of the Hindu God. Would you be saying the same thing?

          • Charles Sparrow

            Don’t waste time. Let the courts explain it to these ignorant, lazy yahoo’s. Let’em argue with the courts.

          • LMW51

            Freedom OF Religion yyysguy. Not Freedom FROM Religion.

            Freedom to not be forced by the government to pay a tithe to a church, and/or pray at a government specified church.

            Who is being forced to tithe or pray at that nativity scene?

            If it was a Hindu display was there because it “Hindu” season, then we would have no problem with it because we don’t try to stop public displays of ANY faith. That is the liberal/progressive haters who do that kind of thing.

          • Kenneth Clark

            Which Hindu god. There are thousands of them.
            Correction on your interpretation of the Constitution:
            This was put in place to prevent the Government from establishing a State Church like the British had with the Anglican Church. Not to tell people that they could not practice their legitimate religion by displaying a nativity in celebration like the British government had done, and a direct result, the United States of America was created.

          • Doug

            My sources say Vishnu.

          • 19Robes50

            In actuality, yyysguy, I would be saying exactly the same thing. I remember a time when public schools celebrated the Christmas holidays with decorations all over the schools. Christmas parties, Christmas card trading. All of it. Then, someone said that they couldn’t do it. It became “WinterFest” However. the bulletin boards were now displaying Menorahs… That’s fine, but why is the Christmas tree now forbidden? The problem here is that dolts like yourself become the “squeaking wheels.” And other dolts like yourself who happen to be in government positions (fearing the loss of your vote) pick up your sword.

            That sir, is the problem. You, and your clan of dolts!

          • yyysguy

            Why are you calling me names? Are you a Christian? Why don’t you live by your teachings? All I see here is hatred and name calling in the name of Christ. Do you believe your teachings, or is that only during church services?

          • PapaTodd

            Looking over the comments, it was you who started the name calling. To quote YOU: “trample on all our rights because of your delusions.” or “The only bullies here are the Christians who trample the rights of all
            others in the pursuit of their imaginary god, who lie in the name of
            their religion, who spit on the flag and this country with their
            actions.” YOUR words, my man. Nice try though….

          • yyysguy

            You are the one claiming to be Christian, I am not. You are supposed to be like the Jesus you claim to worship. Apparently you don’t care enough about him to follow his teachings. A simple apology is in order. I did not call you any foul names, I just spoke truth. You are deluded and acting like a bully. That is not name calling, those are statements about your beliefs and actions. Feel free to criticize my beliefs, but personal attacks (and death threats from others) are what I’m referring to.

          • PapaTodd

            First: I never mentioned my faith. You just assumed.
            Second: You are the one who called Christians “delusional” and “bullies” and “liars” and “unpatriotic”. It’s in your own comments.

            So please quit crying foul as I did no such thing. I was only trying to have a conversation about the Constitution. BTW, you have yet to answer my questions about that. But since you are not interested in an intellectual conversation, you resort to calling me a “name-caller” when I never did such. Typical though…. Now at least everyone here can see you for what you really are. We’re done…

          • yyysguy

            I was called”ass” and “dolt”, and it was to those posts I responded. You just chimed in as if I were referencing you. If you are not a Christian, that’s fine. If you are, why hide the fact? And if you are, you’re supposed to turn the other cheek, to bless others when they curse you, etc. The “Christians” here don’t seem to understand their own beliefs, or if they do, they are disobedient. Just read through the comments, and look at the threats and name callings from the believers. Nice Christian witness, people.

          • PapaTodd

            So many tears…. Boo Hoo

          • Charles Sparrow

            Didn’t u say u were done? Then go and take Kenneth with u>

          • PapaTodd

            And actually if you look back thru the comments, YOU threw the first barbs. So you are not responsible for your words, but everyone else is? Laughable..

          • Charles Sparrow

            Done? Good. Thanks from all of us.

          • Charles Sparrow

            They r showing their true colors. All hypocrites.

          • Charles Sparrow

            All they have to do is sneer and smugly say’ ” Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven”. Disgusting.

          • Charles Sparrow

            He told the truth. There is no problem.

          • Charles Sparrow

            The vote getting has always been done by those who out-christian one another.

          • PapaTodd

            #1. Please back up your argument. What [specifically] part of the Constitution are you citing?
            #2. Yes I would. If a Hindu community wants to display one of their displays. I have no problem with it. Zero. Zip. Nada.

            Too bad you [apparently], are not as tolerant.

          • James Walker

            Would you? Or is only Christianity that drives you to rage? Why do we never see monkeyboys protesting islam? or scientology for that matter? I believe it’s because the unclean spirit that dwells in your brain and rapes your soul daily is the true author of your hateful bigotry.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Religion drives me to rage.

          • 2197_uxo_1

            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
            prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
            speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
            assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.Show me where in this Amendment that it states that we can only practice our religion in a church?

          • Charles Sparrow

            It’s a waste of time. Look at he post below. It’s like talking to a brick wall.

          • BRwoman

            It is not violating the Constitution. The Constitution says that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. If you look at any federal calendar, it states that December 25 is a national holiday called CHRISTMAS! So to celebrate a national holiday on government property would only make sense!!!

          • Charles Sparrow

            Oblivious.

          • BRwoman

            Obvious is right!

          • BRwoman

            Sorry PapaTodd – I meant it for yysguy!

          • Charles Sparrow

            Call scotus.

          • Charles Sparrow

            See post to Kenneth.

        • Kenneth Clark

          Please explain your interpretation of this “Law”.

        • Hargraves Ian

          The law is clear as well, in America the majority win and the areseholes loose. And you are a looser!

          • yyysguy

            A “looser?” Pray tell, what is that, the opposite of a “tighter?” You are incorrect. Majority does not win. If the majority of people voted to burn your house down or rape your daughter or your wife, that does not give them legal right to do so. Why don’t you respond to the issue and explain why the display IS constitutional?

          • Charles Sparrow

            Opposite of tighter. U have to pay my Dr. bill cuz I busted a gut laughing.:-)

        • LMW51

          The law is certainly NOT crystal clear or the SCOTUS would not have to continually hear new cases brought by a minority who want to take away the rights of everybody else because they are “offended”.

          What is clear is that we are a government BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE. The Town Council was elected by the people and serves the people who reside in that town.

          Those people WANT their Nativity Scene. They need to stand up against ignorance found in people like you.

          YOU CHOOSE to be offended. Why not choose to leave the townspeople alone and move along in your little life? No one is forcing you to pray, tithe, or worship at a Nativity Scene so just why is it that you feel the need to force it to be removed?

          • yyysguy

            The town can’t violate the constitution just because it has a majority vote. I am not offended by mythological superstitious displays, but I am interested in preserving our freedoms in this country, which will be trampled by the religions extremists if they have their way and are unchecked. Chipley will lose this battle, since they are wrong, as are you.

          • Katherine Noel Mumford

            and you are the dog in the manger. you disbelievers are so hateful and unhappy. just leave it alone. what difference is it to you? you are not being forced to do ANYTHING. think of it as a cultural tribute as we often display artifacts from other cultures on government property. .

          • Charles Sparrow

            No. Can’t do it cuz it’s religious and it infects and contaminates gov. and causes trouble like it always has all over the world all thru history.

          • 19Robes50

            I’m not sure, but if the town decided to erect a display of say, “Woody Woodpecker”, you would have no problem with that right?

            And since, being an atheist, you consider a creche to be on the same level as “Woody” you have a problem with that.

            That sure sounds a lot like wanting the government to outlaw a Christian display, but not a “Woody Woodpecker” display.

            Get a life!

          • Charles Sparrow

            Exactly, and explaining why to u goes in 1 ear and out the other.

          • 19Robes50

            Now you see, that is the typical response of someone who hasn’t the ability to explain why.

            Next?

          • Charles Sparrow

            Woody woodpecker never fueled fires that have kept our world on the edge of destruction like religious conflict has. The goal is to minimize religious influence so- no on public property!

          • RowdyD

            yyy Stop with the hypocritical post…One post you preach about how everyone should follow the example of Christ, in another you post you make fun of Christians saying it is all myth and superstition, then again you post your only concern is making sure no one violates the Constitution??? What. are you the Constitution police???
            the establishment clause is still very weak, it started in the 1980′s, people like you that acted all like they just want to uphold the Constitution but in reality you are the Anti-Christ that Jesus warned us about…2nd Timothy too…
            This is a city government and the citizens of said city want the display kept up, the US government can not go in and destroy it. If they do try then that is tyranny…Christians are sick and tired of being mocked while atheist have been on an anti-God campaign that is now out of control…Just as the Bible predicted…

          • Charles Sparrow

            Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Wrong, Wrong Wrong, says the courts.

          • PapaTodd

            Still not citing where in the Constitution….

          • Charles Sparrow

            Courts.

          • 19Robes50

            Well, actually it can. Merely by being a majority. If in fact there were a binding referendum on this subject, which side do you really think would win?

          • Charles Sparrow

            If, If, If, bullfrogs had wings they wouldn’t bump their asses on lily pads when crossing a pond. Ur statement is irrelevant.

          • LMW51

            Freedoms?

            Who exactly is tying you up in front of that nativity scene and making you pay a tithe to it and pray to it?

            You are absolutely “Free” to not look at it, pay a dime to it, or pray to it”..what you seek to do is take away the freedom of the town to do as the majority of its people wish it to do.

            The SCOTUS takes each case on an individual basis and no one – including you my friend – can determine exactly how it would rule on this particular issue.

            And while those like you are so bloody concerned about those nativity scenes, crosses and 10 commandment signs, your freedom to choose to feed the homeless, run a lemon aid stand, sell ribbons or other art work, choose your own food sources among a host of other things are all being taken away….

        • Robert Ricketts

          wise ass guy…have you read the part that says a people have the right, the duty, to rise up when tyranny sets in???(its in the Declaration of Independence) “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” We are almost there…..

          • yyysguy

            None of you have answered the question. Why is it constitutional to force your religion in this manner? The supreme court says it is not.

            The Declaration of Independence is not our governing document, by the way. Nice try.

            Are you a Christian? Why are you calling me names? Jesus would be ashamed of all of you people. Christian love? I have seen very little from the “believers.” “The fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.” I’m not seeing much of this. What religion are you trying to protect? You can’t even seem to follow your own teachings.

          • 19Robes50

            And you sir, though obviously educated in what Christianity is, have forgotten it.

            I, for one, call myself a Christian. It’s the way I was raised. After all, your parents have to start you with something. Then as you age… And learn… That education becomes modified. I believe that an intelligence put all of what we know together. It wasn’t an accident. I happen to call that intelligence, God. However, I also realize that millions of Buddhists believe that their way is the correct way. Who am I to say that they’re wrong? God didn’t provide us with that information. Nor did he give you the knowledge that I am wrong. We just don’t have that information.

            What that brings us to is this, religion… All of them were invented by men, to attempt to understand things that they cannot possibly know.

            Religion merely attempts to give us guideposts to live by.

            I am not a religious scholar, in EVERY religion I have investigated, there is one indisputable law. That is, “Do unto others as you would have them to you” Or variations on the theme.

            That is the universal law: DO UNTO OTHERS…

          • Charles Sparrow

            Believe what u want. Keep it to urself. Keep it off public property.

          • 19Robes50

            Another typical Obamanist response. “My way or the highway…”

          • Charles Sparrow

            Stop running ur stupid trap and do it. We’re ready. I like that sort of stuff.

        • BRwoman

          You are the delusional, besides being full of BS – I’ve got a response for you after PapaTodd’s

    • LMW51

      The government exists FOR THE PEOPLE. The people who serve on that council were ELECTED by the people of that town. The people of that town want their nativity scene. Who the HELL are you to tell them that they cannot have it there?

      • Charles Sparrow

        Atheists.

    • Hargraves Ian

      Wow all the dhitheads are crawling out of the woodwork, anybody got some louse spray. If you dont like Christmas use your foodstamps and welfare check and go kiss satans arse.

      • Charles Sparrow

        I use my stamps and check to buy drugs, lobster and champagne to consume while I relax as u work to support me. I like it this way. U tired? I’m always well rested. I have to go to the gym for exercise. If gov. ever stops taking money from u and sending it to me, I will take my gun and come and take ur money from u.U kiss my arse with every penny u send me. Send More!

    • frank002

      Take a valium atheist

    • 2197_uxo_1

      What law are you referring to? The government according to the 1st Amendment- Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
      prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
      speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
      assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.I believe that the section above, “Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise thereof”, means exactly what it states. The SCOTUS cannot write laws nor can they support unconstitutional ones.

      • Penn State engineer

        “Congress shall make no law..” was explicitly put in the Constitution because many of the States had a state church at the time the Constitution was ratified and didn’t want the Federal government telling them what to do concerning the issue of religion. It is unfortunate that the courts have turned the original meaning of the first amendment with regard to religion on its head. The sovereign States granted enumerated powers to the Federal government.. religious matters were to be governed by the States.

        • Charles Sparrow

          No. It’s like leaving slavery up to the racist baptalibanatics in Alabamastsn.

      • Charles Sparrow

        Ur interpretation of the constitution, like ur religious beliefs don’t matter, the courts does.

    • steelbander

      Exactly what law is the town of Chipley breaking? Nowhere in the constitution and I reiterate NO WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION does it say that there is a separation of church and state. But it does say FREEDOM OF RELIGION. Our founding fathers turned the Capitol Building into the largest church in the country every Sunday and the Marine Corp band was the worship leader. But I guess they didn’t know that they was breaking the law when they did that……

      • Charles Sparrow

        We know now.

    • Penn State engineer

      “Congress shall make no law..” was explicitly put in the Constitution because many of the States had a state church at the time the Constitution was ratified and didn’t want the Federal government telling them what to do concerning the issue of religion. It is unfortunate that the courts have turned the original meaning of the first amendment with regard to religion on its head. The sovereign States granted enumerated powers to the Federal government.. religious matters were to be governed by the States, not the Federal government.

      • Charles Sparrow

        No.

        • Penn State engineer

          Yes. Go look it up.

          • Charles Sparrow

            No to states rights. Allow Alabama to make a decision about anything? Not me. Get real.

          • Penn State engineer

            You don’t seem to understand how our country is supposed to work under our Constitution. If a State such as Alabama decided to do something you didn’t agree with, you could move to another State within the U.S. However, when the Federal government usurps the States’ rights, if you don’t agree with a Federal decision there is no place to live within the country that is not affected by that decision. Much of our current problems in the U.S. are a direct result of the Federal government getting their nose into things they have no business dealing with.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Some won’t be able to move. they are stuck helpless, at the mercy of the local tribe. Do we say, to bad for u? No. Example-to help the helpless we sent federal troops to enforce integration. Feds don’t always get it right- true. If they don’t no place to live in country to avoid it-true. No decisions should be left to local, yokel clans-it doesn’t work. There has to be an end all. The scotus system is the best we can do. I’ve always thought states rights were an illusion. What they think they have, the feds let them think that to placate them and keep the natives from getting restless. Anything the feds want the states to do they are going to make them do it. To believe it’s any other way is fantasy and an illusion. I live under and run the risk of not being treated fairly because of a federal decision. I’ll just have to take my chances. It has to end somewhere and it should not be in all the tribal regions of make believe sovereignty people believes exist.

          • Penn State engineer

            We obviously see things very differently, but what I was commenting on is how the Constitution was written to give the Federal government limited enumerated powers, with those not enumerated left to the States and the people. One size does not fit all, and when the Federal government gets involved in areas that it has no jurisdiction, it usually makes the situation worse not better. It seems to me if the country was run the way you see it, there would be no State or local governments, and the Federal government would have jurisdiction over all.

          • Charles Sparrow

            I know no method is perfect but I believe that would be the best way. I also favor standardization of laws and the legal system nationwide. Eg: A local man killed a man while driving drunk-he got 14 years in prison. The kid who killed 4 people the other day got probation. Come on. Our gov. is a constantly evolving experiment.

          • Penn State engineer

            An evolving experiment, yes, but based on the rule of law including the Constitution. If there is a need to amend the Constitution, do it in the prescribed manner, don’t just ignore the Constitution and fly by the seat of your pants as has been done all too often by Presidents, the Congress, and the court system including the Supreme Court.

    • Jan C White

      I hope you rot in Hell. Why try to push your non belief on others keep your opinion to yourself. If you don’t like it move the hell out of the country This country was this way long before you entered it so why in the hell do you want to change it? Oh wait!!!! you have no guts just a mouth and no ass to back it up

      • Charles Sparrow

        oouuu…….feel the Christian love.

        • Jan C White

          No its standing up for my rights. We have too many followers in this country with no back bone just opinions

          • Charles Sparrow

            Believe me, there r 2 many just like u. Way, way, 2 many, that’s the problem and what is ruining this country.

          • Jan C White

            I am thankful there’s a lot just like me standing up for what we believe. And I AM the problem standing in your way from ruining this country. Who do you think you are? And if we have too many like many of me you must be on the other side with all the followers drinking the cool aid.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Koolaid is the drink of the religious. Yes ur type ruins it for everybody else.

          • Jan C White

            weather I am religious or not Don’t push your beliefs on me. We all need to get along and the minorities do not need to change history to make themselves feel good. Why don’t they go about their business and leave it alone?

          • Charles Sparrow

            Right, don’t use public property to push religious beliefs . Don’t see why it’s wrong? We do not want the USA to become a theocracy like they have in the middle east. Majority, minority only matters in political elections. History and traditions are irrelevant. We live in the here and now. It was religion that caused religious people to drink poison koolaid, to be suicide bombers and Andrea Yates drowned her 5 boys to keep “satan” from getting them. Minimizing the negative influence of religion-that’s what it’s about.

          • Jan C White

            MR. Sparrow I feel like an idiot. You are right. religions has cause more war and killed more people than anything else. I was hoping that if we continued to chat I would understand where you and I differ. I understand we don’t need religion parked on our Government property. I was arguing about our rights not religion

          • Charles Sparrow

            What rights or lack of rights concerns u?

          • Jan C White

            I’ll let you select what rights you are concerned with.and if you would like to further discuss them.I will be more then happy to.

          • Charles Sparrow

            The right to be free from the influence of those who believes religion should dominate our society and the lives of everyone.

          • Jan C White

            I wish we could have that right but we have the right of freedom of speech And anyone can attempt to influence us on any topic they choose IE our governement

          • Charles Sparrow

            Not by advertising it via gov. property.

          • Jan C White

            I thought that was already said agreed by both. But you sir brought it back up again. We cannot stop freedom of speak period. . Influence is all around us in many fashions. If it were law we wouldn’t be able to voice our opinion like Phil Robertson. To me just because someone says something you don’t agree with doesn’t mean they are attempting to influence you.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Who do u think ur?

          • Jan C White

            I am just a simple person fighting for rights. My father fought in World Two My other ancestors fought for this country and I fought in Vietnam. You may think so what But at the time we were fighting for freedom. I’m sorry I haven’t walked in your shoes to understand your values but perhaps i will understand more.

          • Charles Sparrow

            U have the right to have any religious beliefs u want -in ur skull. U don’t have the right to impose them on others via public property. That’s it. There is nothing more to discuss.

    • Charles Sparrow

      My compliments.

  • Doug

    Ah Christmas, the season of love, peace and understanding.

    • Eric

      None is coming from you, only hate!

      • Doug

        I beg your pardon. Find a post where I have denigrated anyone with gutter language. Not my style. Ask Kenny.

  • car333

    Thanks Chipley FL for having the backbone to stand up for what is right. If more cities and towns had a little more backbone and told these idiots that are trying to destroy what this once great country is all about it would be a much better place to live. I live in the small city of Buckhannon WV that has the backbone of a jelly fish when it calls for standing up for what is right. If only Buckhannon and other small cities would stand up for what the majority of the people really want and tell the ACLU and other anti American groups to take a hike it might, just might turn this once great nation around again. Merry Christmas.

  • Angel T Engle

    They are doing the right thing keeping it up..Christ is the reason for the season.

    • Charles Sparrow

      They will move it, or get sued and they will lose, or allow opposing displays. The Christian supremacists can’t have their way anymore. Those days r over.

      • Eric

        I’ll ask you what I asked ElsieR…why are you so filled with hate?

        • Charles Sparrow

          Why do jews hate Nazis? It’s time the Christian supremacists r held accountable for their abusive trash, faith based hate, and the damage they have done to our world and the trouble they have caused.

      • Hargraves Ian

        Over your dead body!

        • yyysguy

          Nice display of Christian love and charity. Have you ever read the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament? You must have a different version than the one I read.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Nope. Scratch the surface, they are all the same underneath.

  • Charles Sparrow

    Like cats marking territory “Christian supremacists” urinate on gov property marking it for their own religious billboards/displays. When we say no they scream ” U r attacking, persecuting, taking away our religious freedoms, rights and liberties”. It’s the F’ing they get, For the F’ing they gave. They better get used to it cuz they’s more to come, They ain’t seen nuthin yet.

    • Eric

      No, we dont have your habits of relieving ourselves in public.

      • Charles Sparrow

        Hey, I only do it on religious symbols, Satues of jesus, the virgin mary, 10 comm. monuments, nativity scenes etc.

    • Katherine Noel Mumford

      ah, now i understand…you are a fag!

      • Charles Sparrow

        And how do u know that? Like u know and can prove god exists. R u a baptalibanatic from Westboro, or from Shitley?

      • SpeakTruth

        Ma’am, clearly you do not understand. We are discussing whether or not a small North Florida town should be allowed to display a nativity scene on government property. Some people (Christians) believe the nativity scene should be allowed to stay. Others believe government property should be free of religious representations. Perhaps you just got confused, for I would hope you are not merely an uneducated bigot. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, as I was brought up to treat people with respect.

  • Eric

    Good for them.