Sarah Palin: Angry atheists armed with attorneys trying to ‘abort Christ out of Christmas’

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin wrapped up a 15-city book tour at Liberty University, telling the crowd of over 10,000 students that there is a war on Christmas, but that Christians can prevail if they speak up.

Liberty President Jerry Falwell Jr. and Johnnie Moore, vice president of communications, were onstage to interview Palin Wednesday. Falwell praised Palin for her grace under extreme media scrutiny over the past few years, and Moore asked Palin about the war on Christmas.

“There definitely is a war on Christmas,” she said. “The message of Christmas is a message of real hope, not the hopey, changey, dopey stuff you hear coming out of Washington.”

The war is being waged by “those who would want try to abort Christ out of Christmas,” Palin said, adding that they are “angry atheists armed with an attorney” who do not represent the majority of Americans.

Palin said the tour to promote her new book, “Good Tidings and Great Joy: Protecting the Heart of Christmas,” is about restoring the nation’s principles, following the Founding Fathers’ intentions and spreading the bigger message of Christmas.

“Fear not,” she said. “Again, it’s that message of Christmas.Remember the angel came to Mary in a situation with less than ideal circumstances … and that message needs to be received by each one of you here today as you get out there in a pretty rough-and-tumble world. You’re going to be inundated in the workplace with cultural and societal pressures trying to beat you down.”

The former governor said she appreciated the university’s mission and had a message for its’ students, the country’s future leaders.

“When it comes to families, when it comes to jobs, please remember that you do have purpose and you do have destiny,” she said. “God don’t make no junk,”

Watch Palin’s interview in its entirety here via Liberty University:

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  • WorldEvents

    Atheism has become a religion unto itself..No not all atheists are religious-atheists, but last time I checked non-stamp collectors didnt build churches to non-stamp collecting.

    http://harvestmoonnews.com/atheism-religion/

    • Brandon Johns

      I know, and they even have their own “prophets” like Richard Dawkins.

      • BobbyMalone

        Oh right, so I guess you don’t care about dead Native Americans and Jews. They’re not people are they? Just ignore my postings; keep living in your own dream world and perpetuating the cycle of blind Christian bigotry and violence over and over and over again

        • Brandon Johns

          Hitler was a socialist…like you.

          • BobbyMalone

            A right-wing Socialist. Lefty socialism turns out like Scandanavia. Righty socialism… well, yeah. Hitler.

          • Brandon Johns

            Man you are DUMB as a bucket of rocks. There is no such things as a right wing socialist. Socialism is a left wing ideology.

          • BobbyMalone

            Wikipedia, “Nazism”:

            “Nazism, or National Socialism in full, is the ideology and practice associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party and state AS WELL AS OTHER RELATED FAR-RIGHT GROUPS. Usually characterised as a form of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism, Nazism originally developed from the influences of pan-Germanism, the Völkisch German nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture in post-First World War Germany, which many Germans felt had been left humiliated by the Treaty of Versailles.
            Prior to the emergence of the Nazi Party, OTHER RIGHT-WING FIGURES had
            argued for a nationalist recasting of “socialism”, as a reactionary
            alternative to both internationalist Marxist socialism and free market capitalism.”

            Nazism was right wing, anti-Semitic, anti-Communist, racist, religiously conservative (Christian), homophobic and relied on arguments of eugenic racial superiority, ‘Christian Pride’ and ‘white pride’/’Aryan pride’.

            Sounds an awful lot like Ms. Palin (and the arguments she’s making in this very article) to me:/

            In any case Nazism *was* right-wing socialism and it had far more in common ideologically with the American right than with Libs.

          • WorldEvents

            Hitler got his ethnic cleansing program from Americas eugenics program via Planned parenthoodand marget sanger.

            Maybe you didnt know, but American progressives loved Fascism and were supporters of it until it became political incorrect after WW2.

            Mussolini, who came up with fascism was a stout socialist.

            You can not enter Fascism without going far left, and the idea that fascism is strictly a right wing ideology is total bullshit.

            ” religiously conservative”

            Nazism is not religious conservatively, HA!!!!!!!!!! You really have know clue, its obvious you are just copying and pasting wikipedia without actually understanding what your pasting.

            The churches who did not fear hitler stood up to him because of how non-christian Nazism is.

            “In any case Nazism *was* right-wing socialism”

            That doesn’t make sense.

          • HonestToAtee

            Socialists and Communists own this, along with Atheists!!! Bare witness to what they bring forth!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_49fhzlk_W8

          • HonestToAtee

            THE TRUTH REIGNS SUPREME YOU LIAR!

            HITLER HATED CHRISTIANITY!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbvp8wXPYYo

          • Hal Barbour

            Was Hitler a socialist? you just said he was, he led a right-wing political movemnt in Nazi Germany, If he was a socialist and was the head of Nazi Germany then right-wing socialism is a reality, at least in Nazi Germany from 1922 to 1945.

          • HonestToAtee

            Nice try lefty!! But you continue the EPIC FAIL of rewriting history!!

            Almost everyone in those days accepted that fascism had emerged from
            the revolutionary Left. Its militants marched on May Day under red
            flags. Its leaders stood for collectivism, state control of industry,
            high tariffs, workers’ councils. Around Europe, fascists were convinced
            that, as Hitler told an enthusiastic Mussolini in 1934, ‘capitalism has
            run its course’.
            One of the most stunning achievements of the modern Left is to have
            created a cultural climate where simply to recite these facts is
            jarring. History is reinterpreted, and it is taken as axiomatic that
            fascism must have been Right-wing, the logic seemingly being that
            Left-wing means compassionate and Right-wing means nasty and fascists
            were nasty. You expect this level of analysis from Twitter mobs; you shouldn’t expect it from mainstream commentators.”

            http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100203076/so-total-is-the-lefts-cultural-ascendancy-that-we-dare-not-mention-the-socialist-roots-of-fascism/

          • HonestToAtee

            Atheists continue to try and connect Socialists like Hitler to Conservatives and also to Christians but the truth is their enemy!

            “Events outside the Middle East were presenting new opportunities for
            fanatics to find allies and possible patrons. The 1930s witnessed the
            rise of National Socialism in Italy under Benito Mussolini and in
            Germany under Adolf Hitler.”

            “Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand
            to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked
            Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish
            people in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and
            according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling
            of its Jews. The answer I got was: “The Jews are yours.” (Ami Isseroff
            and Peter FitzGerald-Morris, “The Iraq Coup Attempt of 1941, the Mufti,
            and the Farhud”)”

            http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/hitlers-mufti

        • HonestToAtee

          “..Hence today, I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator, by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of ALLAH.”
          -Adolf Hitler | Mein Kampf

          http://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com/2013/09/22/evidence-mounting-that-hitler-was-a-muslim-and-practiced-islam/

        • Fran Gagliano Bello

          what rock did you crawl out from under?

      • WorldEvents

        Not only that, Dawkins publicly made a comment that ‘mild pedophilia’ was acceptable

    • Mark Moore

      How many times have you put that up now? You need to work on new material or stop plagiarizing.

  • ADELE

    CHRISTIANS HAVE TO STAND UP

    • BobbyMalone

      SIT DOWN!

      • ADELE

        dig a hole for your self

        • BobbyMalone

          I’ll still be a mile above you people…

    • BobbyMalone

      Hmm I can remember another movement that was right wing, anti-Semitic, anti-Communist, racist, Conservative Christian, homophobic, relied on arguments of eugenic racial superiority/’Christian Pride’/’white pride’ AND INSTILLING A PERSECUTED VICTIM MINDSET IN THE MAJORITY RACIAL AND RELIGIOUS GROUP (I.E. WHITE CHRISTIANS).

      *NAZISM*

      • HonestToAtee

        Nazis were Christians? You are a proven fool and liar! Hitler hated Christianity and Jesus you Jihadist sympathizer!

        • BobbyMalone

          Wikipedia article titled “Adolf Hitler”:

          “Hitler viewed the church as an important politically conservative influence on society, and he adopted a strategic relationship with it “that suited his immediate political purposes”. In public, Hitler often praised Christian heritage and German Christian culture, though professing a belief in an ‘Aryan’ Jesus—one who fought against the Jews.”

          My commentary: similarly, Christian conservatism views Jews as having an antagonistic relationship with Christians. For example — Sarah Palin’s very public use of the anti-Semitic term “blood libel”. (Posted on her twitter account). Also, she failed to react appropriately when the minister who blessed her (prior to her run for VP) said, moments before he blessed her:

          “The Bible says that the wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous. It’s high time that we have top Christian businessmen, businesswomen, bankers, you know, who are men and women of integrity running the economics of our nations. If you look at the – you know – if you look at the Israelites, that’s how they work. And that’s how they are, even today.”

          I.e., it is time for the Christians (the “righteous”) to stand up to the “Israelites” i.e. Jewish people i.e. “the wicked” and take back the wealth of the Jews that is (apparently) stored up for Christians.

          That is incredibly anti-Semitic. The fact that Sarah Palin didn’t at very least walk out says an incredible amount about her and the lack of a “Christ” in her so-called “Christianity”. She simply accepted the pastors assertion that Jews are “wicked” and what’s theirs is rightfully hers — and left it at that. So much for “Love your neighbor as you love yourself”.

          Wikipedia article titled “Nazism”:

          “The Nazi Party Programme of
          1920 … endorsed Positive Christianity to combat ‘the Jewish-materialist spirit’. It was a modified version of Christianity
          which emphasized racial purity and nationalism.”

          Sarah Palin’s anti-Semitic brand of Christianity also views Jews as heavily and immorally materialized — a fact that her minister is unbelievably encouraging his congregation to take as part of a supposed God-given right and moral superiority to all other religions. True faith is not about taking — it is about giving. A minister who encourages hatred between groups is no more a man of God than a junkyard rat.

          Wikipedia Nazism article, con’t:

          “Historian Michael Burleigh claims that Nazism used Christianity for political purposes, but such use required that ‘fundamental tenets were stripped out, but the remaining diffuse religious emotionality had its uses’.”

          Similarly, Sarah Palin’s form of Christianity strips out the fundamental tenet of Christ’s work — compassion and self-sacrifice for the good of others, and replaces it with an empty shell of hate-filled political causes: homophobia, anti-Islamism, racism (promoting the myth of “black mob violence”, etc.), anti-Semitism, xenophobia, and most of all constantly demanding more and more for themselves (more government subsidies, more special rights, more submission and sacrifice from other religious groups in America on their behalf) as opposed to *giving* more and more of themselves — their patience, their goodwill, their trust and their benefit of the doubt — to ALL their neighbors (not just other Christians) in order to help heal our fractured nation.

          Shame on them. Shame on the hollow hate-filled case that has become American Christian conservatism. This country deserves better.

          Luke 10:25-28
          “And one day an authority on the law stood up to put Jesus to the test. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to receive eternal life?” 26What is written in the Law?” Jesus replied. “How do you understand it?” 27He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Love him with all your strength and with all your mind.’(Deuteronomy 6:5) And, ‘Love your neighbor as you love yourself.’ ”28“You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do that, and you will live.”.

          “Do that, and you will live.” Just those two things. Jesus does not say, “No, stupid — you forgot about opposing gay marriage, taking all your **** back from those wicked Jews, spreading hatred and fear with false stories of black mobs and “knockout” games, keeping Muslims from building mosques near my favorite building the World Trade Center, building oil pipelines through pristine Indigenous tribal properties and telling foreigners and absolutely everyone around you how much BETTER you are than them! FAIL! Off to detention with Lucifer for you!”

          2 things – love God; love other people. That’s it. Any God that demands you be evil to others is an ******* and like Archibishop Desmond Tutu you should stand up and say that you’d “rather go to Hell than worship a homophobic God” (sic) because that is loving your neighbor more than yourself and *that* is what being a Christian is supposed to be about.

          • WorldEvents

            Hitler viewed the church as important because he knew he had to pretend to be apart of it to be accepted by the people you dope.

            Stop copying and pasting wikipedia and actually read it.

          • BobbyMalone

            That’s exactly what I said in the first part; stop commenting without even reading. Obviously Hitler was not following the Gospel of Christ; my point is that neither are Thomas Sowell, Bill O’Reilly, or Sarah Palin because they’re all doing the exact same thing — using ‘being a Christian’ to make themselves more popular and successful, when in reality their actions are completely un-Christian and ethically appalling. You really think Jesus would like Bill O’Reilly who drums up race war charge from no data at all and tries to make people hate each other so he gets more views? Heck no. Jesus wasn’t even white. What do you think he’ say about all this new white supremacist ‘race war’ stuff taking hold of the conservative rhetoric then?

  • Lorraine Stuart

    I cannot figure out what the Atheist are angry at. Christian are not angry and do know say vial things like the Atheist does. I wonder what the message is here?

    • Matt McDowall

      Ok. let me explain.
      First point: Atheists are NOT angry at “Christ” or “God” no more than they are angry at Zues, Mithra, Thor or any other mythical man made invention…do you understand this? This is so simple. We don’t believe in it, how could we be angry at it.
      Second point: Atheist ARE frustrated because of the easy handouts, inequaility and failure of the governement to keep this country secular. The govnerment SHOULD NOT be endorsing one religion over another. Or for that matter over non belief. It has to be NEUTRAL. If this country promoted Atheism in the public swection I too would be AGAINST THIS.
      By all means keep it private and worship all you want along side the hindu & Muslim, but the Governent can not endorse one of the other in public space.
      America is NOT a Christian nation. It just has the majority of its residents who ARE Christian. thats it.

      • OverTheCoastline

        “America is NOT a Christian nation”

        Wrong. Our very founding was on Christian principles. Christian principles are built-in to our founding documents. Our greatest speeches, given by our greatest presidents, constantly refer to “God” and “Our Creator”. “In God We Trust” is on every denomination of our money. We swear our presidents and other representatives into office with one hand on the Bible. Our court of laws are the same – witnesses are sworn into court on the Bible and/or the phrase, “so help you God”.

        I’m sorry, but those are the facts. Wishing it to not be so doesn’t change anything.

        • BobbyMalone

          Didn’t they take that off the money during the Bush admin and then Palin blamed Obama for it in another one of her whoppers?

          • Laron Woods

            No, “In God We Trust” is still on money.

          • BobbyMalone

            Article about a speech she gave in early November 2009 to a pro-life group in Wisconsin:

            “Most curious was her rant about the government’s attempt to remove God
            from the national currency. She was referring specifically to the new
            one-dollar coin on which, she said, the familiar phrase ‘In God We
            Trust’ would no longer be prominently displayed on the face of the coin
            but instead moved to the outer edge. ‘It’s a disturbing trend,’ she
            said, implying that the next step is off the coin completely. ‘Who
            calls a shot like that?’ she asked, ‘Who makes a decision like that?’
            Could it be Barack Obama? ‘Unsaid but implied,’ writes Martin, ‘Was that
            the new Democratic White House was behind such a move to secularize the
            nation’s currency.’ As they say, don’t let the facts get in the way.
            For the record: Barack Obama had nothing to do with it. The legislation
            which inspired the U.S. Mint to move the phrase was passed by the
            Republican Congress of 2005 and signed by President Bush. The law was
            rescinded by the Senate in 2007 in a bill backed by Republican Brownback
            of Kansas and Democrat Byrd of West Virginia.”

            Google “in palin we trust abc news” for the rest if you’d like…

        • BobbyMalone

          A down-like changes EVERYTHING!!!!

        • Pat

          Jefferson would be embarrassed that someone as ridiculous as Palin got anywhere near the presidency. Jefferson, Adams, Madison were all far left radicals. Today, they would be too liberal for the Democrats.

          • Dave Kube

            Yet they still agreed to the fullness of the Constitution…hmmmmmm….

        • Hal Barbour

          I’m sorry but you are incorrect, the founding documents and principles set down by the founders are not based on any religious doctrine, including christianity. The Declaration of Independence only mentiones any quasi-religious terms in the references of “creator” and “natures god” both terms used by what the majority of these men followed, namely Deism. The only exception was a man named John Jay. Deists are not christians, they rejected the divinity of christ, the fall, all miracles and special knowledge.The Constitution does not mention any christian terms either in name or implied, not once. The Treaty of Tripoli signed in 1797 during the Adams administration says in part in Article 11 that the Goverment of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the christian religion. This clause was inserted in the treaty to assure the other signees that the treaty was a agreement between two soverign states and not two religious powers. If you read any of the writings of men like Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, Adams, Madison, Munroe, you will see that these men were not christians. The money of the country did not have the “in god we trust” on it until 1864 in the case of the coins, and 1953 in the case of the paper money. It replaced the unoffical motto of the country of “E Pluribus Unum”. The former was a reaction to the great upheaval of the Civil War, the ladder was a reaction to the then perceived godless communists threat. Just because the majority of this country are christian does not reflect that it was founded on those principles. I’m sorry but THOSE are the facts. Don’t believe me google it!

          • Detfan1

            Here you go . . .good read

            Webster’s contribution to American constitutionalism

            In the decade following America’s independence, Noah Webster sought to produce a strong union among the newly independent American states. He saw that education was a key means of accomplishing this and wrote three textbooks — Speller (1783), Grammar (1784), and Reader (1785) — that provided a content that was uniquely American, and also principles that were necessary to support the nation. His textbooks and educational reforms were intended to strengthen the unity among the American people, which would strengthen their external union. Webster saw his work to bring a standardization to the American English language as a means to unify the American people because he felt the union would be strong as the people spoke the same language. In his Sketches of American Policy (1785) he was one of the first (if not the first) to put in print a plan for a new national government. Webster believed his proposals contained “the first distinct proposal, made through the medium of the press, for a new constitution of the United States.” Webster promoted his ideas as he traveled throughout the colonies. He visited George Washington and left a copy of his booklet with him, who in turn showed it to James Madison. These men carried Webster’s ideas for a new form of national government with them when they participated in forming the United States Constitution during the summer of 1787. Webster had seen the weakness of the national government under the Articles of

            Confederation when he attempted to secure copyright legislation to protect his textbooks. Though agreeing with Webster’s policy, the Congress was unable to enact copyright legislation under the provisions of the Articles and so Webster had to travel to all the states to promote copyright legislation laws.

            Copyright legislation was just one of many of Webster’s ideas there were incorporated into the United States Constitution. Not only had Washington and Madison read his Sketches, but virtually every man who participated in the convention read it as well. Most of the principles Webster presented for creating a new government were put into the Constitution by the framers. His provisions included a surrender of a degree of state sovereignty to a stronger Congress, “a supreme power at the head of the union,” “all power is vested in the people,” equal representation of the states in Congress, and congressional power to regulate and impose duties on interstate commerce. Webster also proposed the abolition of slavery. Most of his ideas were not original. He was simply drawing from the best available sources and included many of the documents examined above, including the Declaration of Independence and various state constitutions (especially Connecticut’s). Washington, Hamilton and others had presented various ideas for a new government, yet Webster was the first to give an overall framework. Madison and others acknowledged Webster’s key role. New York State Chief Justice James Kent said Webster was “the first man who proposed the present government” of the United States.

            The document that was approved by the Constitutional Convention in September 1787 and sent to the states for ratification had both a Christian power and form— a Christian power because the source of the Founders ideas primarily came from the Bible. The brief summary of the development of ideas of liberty given above reveal this to be the case, plus this is affirmed by a direct examination of the source of their political ideas. A study was published in The American Political Science Review that listed the citations from about 15,000 political documents written by the Founders between 1760 and 1805. By far the most quoted source in these political documents was the Bible—34% of all citations. The great majority of the remaining sources were from writers with biblical ideas. In addition, almost ever one of the Founders were Christians who had a biblical worldview. Even the 2 or 3 non-professing Christians at the Convention had a biblical view of life. (Franklin is the most famous of these. His call for prayer at the Constitutional Convention reveals his belief in God’s active involvement in His creation.) The form of the Constitution is Christian as well; that is, the framework of the document reflects a Christian view of man and government. These general ideas include representative government, the separation of powers, the rule of law, and the unique concept of federalism. The Preamble to the Constitution contains a good summary of the biblical purpose of civil government. The document directly acknowledges God in the requirement of an oath of office (Article 6), in recognizing the Christian Sabbath (Article 1, section 7, paragraph 2), and in dating itself “in the year of our Lord” (Article 7). The first ten amendments to the Constitution were ratified in 1791. The individual liberties secured in this Bill of Rights were developed out of Christian civilization and were derived from the Bible and a biblical understanding of unalienable rights. These ideas were not new, but, as we have seen, were developed over many centuries. To our Founders, the primary purpose of civil government is to protect the citizens’ God-given rights. Lack of a listing of these rights in the original Constitution caused many to oppose ratifying it. Many of those who voted to ratify it in various states did so only after being assured a Bill of Rights would be added.

            During the summer of the Constitutional Convention Webster was living in Philadelphia and he had numerous discussions with many of the delegates. Near the close of the convention, Webster was asked by one of the delegates to write a paper in support of the new constitution as a means of encouraging ratification by the states. His 55 page essay — An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution Proposed by the Late Convention Held at Philadelphia — was completed in about a month, and then was printed and distributed widely. It played an important part in assuring the ratification of the new constitution. In Examination Webster compares the Constitution to “the promulgation of the Jewish laws at Mount Sinai.” He wrote the “the origin of the AMERICAN REPUBLIC is distinguished by peculiar circumstances. Other nations have been driven together by fear and necessity. . . . In the formation of our constitution the wisdom of all ages is collected—the legislators of antiquity are consulted, as well as the opinions and interests of the millions who are concerned. In short, it is an empire of reason.”

            As we have examined the development of ideas of liberty and constitutional principles, we have seen that the greatest “wisdom of the ages” affecting civil documents of liberty has arisen from the Christian religion and the precepts of the Bible. This is the primary source of American constitutionalism, and consequently, civil liberty throughout the world. Such an understanding must be transferred to all Americans in this and future generations if liberty is to be maintained. Noah Webster had a vision for educating all Americans, and posterity, in principles of liberty. His entire life was devoted to fulfilling this end. His Speller of 1794 had a Federal catechism and was the first text to educate Americans in the form of our government. His History of the United States taught fundamental governmental principles. His textbooks also contained writings of the best of American literature which he intended to inspire youth with “a love of virtue, patriotism, and religion.” His An American Dictionary of the English Language (1828) gave American Christian constitutional definitions. Webster not only sought to educate Americans in the source of our liberties, in constitutional principles, and in a knowledge of how our form of government works, but he, most importantly, sought to infuse into Americans the power or spirit necessary to support liberty. Both the power and form of free nations is rooted in Christianity. Webster wrote: “Men may devise and adopt new forms of government; they may amend old forms, repair breaches, and punish violators of the constitution; but there is, there can be, no effectual remedy, but obedience to the divine law.” As we obey God’s law and act upon the principles of Christianity, we shall see mankind advance, for, according to Webster, the gospel of the Savior contains “the genuine principles of civil life—the only principles which can perfect the work of civilization.”

        • RealityBites

          Yes you are wrong but unfortunately you are par for the course.

      • Lorraine Stuart

        overthecoastline already made my point. We are a Christian Nation whether you like it or not. It does not matter to me what you think. And we are not keeping it quiet.

        • BobbyMalone

          Being the most populous religion in America and constantly getting government handouts while simultaneously acting like you’re oppressed is one reason people find Christians grating and obnoxious.

          • Brandon Johns

            Bobby Malone, you have no room to talk there. You atheists are much worse.

          • BobbyMalone

            ??? Have you just seen the novel of Christian moral bankrupcy that I just posted for you?

          • Lorraine Stuart

            I am sure you are one of the government handouts. Only a minor few like you are really obnoxious and act like fools.

          • BobbyMalone

            I’m a government handout eh? Well I must admit I’ve never been called that before. I’m not quite sure how to respond. Exactly who am I getting handed out to? I don’t want to go to the red states like all our welfare money… Perhaps I can be a foreign aid handout? To Barbados?

          • Pat

            They can’t help it if they have ADS – Atheist Derangement Syndrome.

        • Hal Barbour

          We are a country populated by majority christian, We are not a christian country. If you are going to make a claim about the validity of a proposition such as the principles of the country and where they came from then please be informed. You can shout what you like from the mountaintops, but in this case you’d still be wrong. I understand for you that the realization that the founders were not christians and this country was not established on those beliefs is a shock to you, but as you said, this is a fact whether you like it or not, and WE are not keeping quiet!

        • RealityBites

          Exactly where in the First Amendment does it state that Christians rule this nation??? Oh wait, it doesn’t. It states FREE EXERCISE THEREOF, meaning a person can be any religion, or NO RELIGION if they so choose.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Only in their deluded, infected, contaminated minds do they rule.

        • Charles Sparrow

          Not a Christian nation. Don’t like ur claim we r. We r going to do something about it too. Religion is crumbling, whether u like it or not.

          • Joseph Venegas

            without religion, theres no morals. if you have no religion and just use logic, then you’ll be sitting down, thinking “why don’t i go and run over that lady with my car? why don’t i go and walk around naked? why not eat people? without religion, people would go wild; society would collapse, and we’d probably all go extinct.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Sorry u can’t manage ur own brain. Many of us can and do. Try it, u’ll like it.

          • Joseph Venegas

            if there’s no God, then why am i alive.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Because ur parents didn’t use birth control. They should have! This is ur brain on religion, any questions?

          • Charles Sparrow

            Because ur parents did not use birth control. They should have. This is ur brain on religion, any questions?

          • Charles Sparrow

            I thought I replied to this already, but just in case. Many of us can control our brains. Try it. U’ll like it.

          • Joseph Venegas

            hate speech.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Joseph, my dear fellow how is encouraging some one to control their brain hate speech?.

          • Joseph Venegas

            the point of this article was sarah palin saying stuff. i don’t even know who that is. i’m out of here. goodbye!

          • Charles Sparrow

            Been fun! Take care, and ya’ll come back ta see us, ya heah?

          • Lorraine Stuart

            You are such a loser..LOL Religion is stronger then ever and you and your evil atheist friends can crawl in the hole where you can from.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Being an atheist does not make me evil or a loser. We are probably the same in many ways, I am a decent person. I do the best I can and do no harm. I just don’t need imaginary beings and dogma to help me with that. I stay informed about the secular movement in America and all over the world, and it is huge and growing faster and bigger every day. U can check to verify this.

      • reinhold

        Claiming they are not angry Atheists and Seculars like Matt McDowall “politely” demand that Christians abolish the Christian Society that established Christian Governance for these several free and sovereign States within this Union. This matter is very simple indeed:

        The Founding is Christian.

        The Articles of the American Bill of Rights consist of the ancient Christian Doctrine. This is a Christian Writ of Prohibition dedicated to the proposition that the governance of the American Christian Society would remain Christian.

        Demand the abolishment of Christian governance at your peril.

        First Article:

        “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

        Second Article:

        “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

        IT TAKES A MILITIA

        • Hal Barbour

          Jefferson addressed this question as to the foundation of common law as established by English common law, that this law as adopted bt the US was a prinicple in Great Britain at the time of the Anglo-Saxons and these people were pre-christian. So any claim of the influence of christian doctrine over the country is false. All you need do is read Jefferson’s letters to Adams in the last years of their lives, their corespondence about these and other issues will clear up any ambiguity about the founding principles of this country.
          The First Amendment establishes seperation of church and state and later Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury ministers further concretises this amendment. It is unconstutitional to display any religious themed exhibit or example on any goverment property. As this would a “establishment of religion” or endorsment by the Goverment. As I previously wrote in another post, read the Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11 as to the principles of the founding of this country.
          This statement about “abolishment of christian governance at your peril” sounds like a threat, especially followed by the Second Amendment, is your position so weak you have to follow that up with veiled threats?

          • reinhold

            “Professing to be wise they became fools.”

            Hal Barbour: Your attempt at scholarly work demonstrates the consequences of American illiteracy and dumbness..

            To state the Anglo Saxons are “pre Christian” demonstrates a profound absence of historical apprehension. The name”Saxon” is a derivative of the ancestral name, “Sons of Isaac” – Isaacsons – Saxons. Anglo of course is merely those inhabiting the place called “England.” where the Ancient Israelites wrought Christian Civilization.

            Do not confuse the Israelites (Isaacsons) with the Jews who are no race or nation whatsoever but are mere;y vagabonds of the synagogues of satan.

            The Common Law of England is Christian. Great Britain called the “British Empire” was the predecessor to the American Empire that is the same perversion as that Great Britain. The American Colonists fled Britain to establish Freedom To Live as Christians in the New World. Now you strive to ruin the not so New World as well!

            Today, American flee the current insurrection by renegade public servants in service to the Kosher Kabal of the Bogus Bank of Credit Fraud that ruined England.

            It is you that needs to read the letters of the men that were our Founders. Jefferson declare any “separation of Church and State. The First Article plainly states “CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION OR THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF. To construe this to mean that free expressions are prohibited is plainly absurd. You would do well to tour the various buildings in the Capital and Arlington Cemetery as consider what you must do about all those Christian Statements and symbols engraved in stone.

            Then you must carefully consider the Law and the origin of Law. This shall be a nation Law not of Men. That means the Law of the Christian God – the Almighty Creator that endows all men with certain unalienable rights.

            I have read the Treaty Tripoli and the circumstances that Article 11 applies to. You need to read that more carefully. It does not in anyway alter the fact that the Founding and the GOVERNANCE shall be Christian.

            I have made no veiled threat. My statement is the warning of the Watchman. The Law prohibits the abrogation of Law to which you aspire and the consequences for doing so.

            Read the Unanimous Declaration of 1776 and the speech of Patrick Henry at St, John’s Church in 1775. “Give me liberty or give me death.” This is not vanity but a position declared with certainty. A Free Christian man shall never tolerate the tyranny of secular law.

            It would be folly for anyone to tread this blood-soaked ground as a Tory.

            One may express his thoughts . But any attempt to enforce hostile alien doctrine and laws in order to destroy this benevolent form of Christian governance will excite the call to defend the unalienable rights and suppress the current insurrection.

            No King But King Yeshua

            In His name and by His power.

            Reinhold

          • Charles Sparrow

            The preamble to all the “Christian Supremacist ” wars throughout history.

          • reinhold

            Mr. Sparrow

            Why do you take umbrage?

            I think it prudent to be ruled by God not by men. Every knee shall bow.

            The wars you refer to were false wars by men falsely claiming to be Christian. Genuine Christians decry any claim of superiority.

            Our Savior King Yeshua washed the feet of his disciples. Yet, when we are attacked, we shall defend. Those that defy the Law of our Creator shall stand down or fall where they stand.

            The Almighty Creator declares, “I am The Alpha and the Omega.”

            The Battle Cry of 1776:

            No KIng But King Yeshua (Jesus)!

          • Charles Sparrow

            U choose to be ruled “by god”. Glad u r free to do that. Many of us choose not to, and we r free to do that too. Ur choice is no better than ours, except in ur opinion which u r entitled to, but we r also entitled to ours whether u agree or not. It is the insistence of the “Christian Supremacists” that their way is the only right way that atheists take offense to. U have neither the right nor the “religious freedom” to impose ur ideology on others. Apparently u r content with ur beliefs, we only ask that u enjoy them while keeping them to urself. That is fair to everyone. That’s the way it has to be, and that’s the way it’s going to be.

          • reinhold

            NO. Your perverse demand to destroy our Christian Society shall not be tolerated. As Patrick Henry declared at Sy John’s Church in 1775 after having recovered the gun powder from those that said they would rule this Christian Society, “Give me liberty or give me death.” We then terminated and expelled those, like you, who sought to convert us to their wicked ways.

            YOU have declared your hostility. You shall be granted no quarter.

          • Charles Sparrow

            There is no Christian society, except for ur perverted perception of one. The influence Christianity has on our society is being destroyed by the “Christian supremacists” trying to force it on every body else. All we have to do is take u to court and watch it all fall apart. As we r doing everyday. It’s fun too. I love watching religion destroy itself. Nothing makes me happier. If u asked for quarter, I would grant it-it’s what jesus would have done.

          • reinhold

            You are granted no quarter because you promise to destroy.

            Yeshua, the Christ declares that our Father forgives the repentant. You defiantly refuse to confess or repent but curse all that will not obey your law and worship your false god – the No God God.

            Know you not that whose law you obey is your God?

            Your courts, like King Herod sought to destroy Yeshua the Christ. First by killing all the First Born then by the Crucifixion. They failed as will you.

            This is what Jesus DID after His resurrection:

            “17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

            18 And Yeshua (Jesus) came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

            19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

            20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”

            The Law of the Creator is a blessing. The laws of men are but a curse.

            Yeshua, the Christ declared unto you:

            “You are of your father the devil who was a murderer from the beginning and the father of lies….

            “Woe unto you Pharisees! “Teachers of the Law! Hypocrites! You have taken away the key to the Kingdom. You would not enter in yourselves and those that were entering you hindered.”

            “You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

            Every knee shall bow.

          • Detfan1

            Wrong.

      • Brandon Johns

        Zeus, Mithra and Thor were Ancient Greek and Roman beliefs that faded out with the coming of Christ. Jesus Christ and Christianity is a world-wide belief. No other religion has spread like Christianity, and no other religion has a messiah that has witnesses to his power and resurrection. The Biblical God has lasted the test of time for a reason.

        • BobbyMalone

          No other religion is so self-righteous, rule-obsessed, blatantly UN-Christian and obnoxious to be around. Thank God Pope Francis came along he is your only saving grace.

          • Brandon Johns

            You atheists can be just as bad so don’t talk. Most christians are good people. It is the 1% of christians who make the rest of us look bad.

          • BobbyMalone

            Yeah well maybe you want to do something
            about them instead of crying about how as the most populous religion that gets all sorts of technically illegal government handouts that you’re so terribly and meanly persecuted. It’s like living with 110 million borderline personality victims in this country.

          • Brandon Johns

            Give me a break. You people wrote the book on paranoia and feelings of persecution.

          • BobbyMalone

            ??? How the heck can you seriously think you’re discriminated against? I suppose you believe in black mob violence too?

          • Charles Sparrow

            Yes we can be just as bad, but we don’t wash the blood from our hands, go back to church and proclaim how good we are. Filthy, obscene and disgusting. The “Christian Supremacists”. What would jesus say?

          • Brandon Johns

            BTW Atheism has much more blood on its hands via communism than christianity does. All in one century too.

          • BobbyMalone

            Ha! You’re not getting away that easily… Clearly you have not heard of the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, slavery, the genocide of the Americas, the Holocaust, Vietnam, the Iraq war, the war on terror, the war on drugs, the colonization of Africa, the pagans of ancient Europe, the Saxons, the invasion of Jerusalem in 1099 that left 60,000 people dead, the witchcraft trials that swept both Europe and the Americas, all the victims of Christian right homophobic murders, the sacking of Constantinople, thousands burned at the stake for anything from intellectual achievement to being on the wrong side of a vindictive neighbor, the sacking of Magdeburg Germany in the seventeenth century when 30,000 Protestants were slain and “In
            a single church fifty women were found beheaded, and infants still
            sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers,” the burning of Jewish synogogues and slaying of Jews since the 4th century and thousands more right up through the Crusades and again let’s not even talk about the kilns of Auschwitz and yet you still think it’s okay to let anti-Semitism pass in your community today, the 50,000 dead on Hispaniola alone which was described as “the marvelous goodness and providence of God” by Christians and “So many Indians died that they could not be counted, all through the
            land the Indians lay dead everywhere. The stench was very great and pestiferous” by the less “devout” witnesses, the deaths of those killed by conquistadors and other victims of the Spanish invasion of the Americans such as “when the 16th century ended, some 200,000 Spaniards had moved to the Americas. By that time probably
            more than 60,000,000 natives were dead,” the hunting of Native Americans by Puritan commander-in-charge John Mason’s decree that “indeed such a dreadful Terror did the Almighty let fall upon their Spirits, that they would fly from us and run into the very Flames,
            where many of them perished … God was above them, who laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven … Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen, filling the “Place with dead Bodies”: men, women, children” and “the Lord was pleased to smite our Enemies in the hinder Parts, and to give us their land for an inheritance” andn his quote from Deuteronomy “Thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them…”, and the human and child sacrifice practiced by early Christians, and the poisonings of Native Americans and the training of dogs to hunt Native Americans specifically, and the 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were deliberately infected and destroyed in the period of 1500
            to 1900, as an average two thirds by smallpox and other epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed
            directly by violence, bad treatment and slavery, and Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England’s most esteemed religious leaders who in “1703 formally
            proposed to the Massachusetts Governor that the colonists be given the financial wherewithal to
            purchase and train large packs of dogs ‘to hunt Indians as they do bears’,”

          • Brandon Johns

            Yes, and they don’t represent the majority of christians. Christians who act like that are not real christians.
            On the other hand, over 100,000,000 people killed by communism and all under a century. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

          • BobbyMalone

            Christians also can’t do math apparently. Just the stats I cited alone already add up to 300,000,000.

            Listen, I have plenty of Christian friends that I adore. I don’t think Christians are evil by default any more than I think Muslims or Jewish people or atheists or Wiccans are. But even these Christian friends of mine concede that Christianity has a lot of skeletons in its closet. I just have more respect for people who admit that than people who want to erase the past and act like these atrocities never happened. That’s disrespectful to the deceased victims and the surest way to ensure its going to happen again.

          • BobbyMalone

            Oh and I’m still not a communist. Nice try.

          • Brandon Johns

            Atheism has more than 100,000,000 skeletons in their closet.

            North Korea adds to that every day.

          • BobbyMalone

            Oh that’s convenient now:)

            Well the right-white crazy websites I saw said Communism had 100,000,000 deaths on its hands so I figured that would be a fairly massive over-exageration but if you have a better/more reliable source with specific stats for either Communists or atheists by all means let me know.

          • Hesitate

            Which war was waged in the name of the view that evidence does not exists in support of invisible beings (gods)?

          • Joe Meadow

            27,000,000 died as a result of the communist revelation in Russia.

          • BobbyMalone

            – like the eyewitness accounts of “some thirty or forty squaws collected in a hole for
            protection; they sent out a little girl about six years old with a white flag on a stick; she had not
            proceeded but a few steps when she was shot and killed. All the squaws in that hole were afterwards
            killed” and the decimation of 90% of Hawaii’s native population that was compared by Reverend Rufus Anderson as “the amputation of diseased members of the body”, and Catholic extermination camps in Croatia in WWII, and the concentration camps set up by Christians in Vietnam, and the involvement of the clergy in the Rwandan massacres who not only eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them over to the machetes of the
            Hutu militia but actively participated in the murders, and let’s not forget of course the MUSLIMS killed in the Crusades.

            So take your self-righteous ignorant Commie-bashing fat butt off the moral pedestal you’ve so carefully prepared for it. The fact that you don’t even acknowledge these deaths at the hands of your religion is SICK and only ensures that still more will follow. The Christian Dark Ages never came to an end and the average Christian is as Christ-like as Pontius Pilate.

          • Lorraine Stuart

            When is the last time a Atheist donated to the poor, or volunteer there time for the homeless? Or help the veterans get the help they needed. Put baskets together for people that cannot afford food for the holiday’s or any other time. You are a compete fool, there is only one religion, Christians from around the world help there fellow man. Thank God for them.

          • BobbyMalone

            Umm yeah see exactly that’s why I find you guys so obnoxious. I have no problem with Christians; I have a problem with people who can’t seem to find anything better to do than tell people how much better you supposedly are than everyone. Atheists volunteer just as much or more than Christians thank you very much and we’re more motivated by compassion than what we’re going to “get” in the afterlife. There are many religions and beliefs that are all just as good as Christianity and you are inconsiderate and selfish to say otherwise. Even Pope Francis agrees with me that atheists are just as good as Christians so there:P :P :P

          • Lorraine Stuart

            Name the atheists groups that you know of that Volunteer there time. Bring them forward , people would like to know that Atheists give to someone other themselves. I have never heard of it. They are too busy being anger and trying to convince themselves and anyone else that will listen that there is no God. The joke is on you. Millions of people have had experiences to contradict anything of what you don’t believe in. What Pope Francis said was that Atheists who do good could redeem themselves. That would mean you would have to think what will happen to me when i die? Is there a God you say? You will have the answer to that question something. That is also like playing Russia Roulette.

          • Doug

            Atheists for Dwarfs does good work.

          • BobbyMalone

            The also have a spiritual division that helps stunted conservatives.

          • BobbyMalone

            Haha no he didn’t he said in an interview around the beginning of October that at each person “must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them” and he said efforts to try to convert people to Christianity are “solemn nonsense”:)!

            He said that church leaders “have often been narcissists” and “clericalism should not have anything to do with Christianity.”

            He agrees with me and says exactly what I always knew which is if there is a God he will allow me into heaven if I’ve been a good person and kind to others whether or not I am a Christian. In early September Pope Francis said “The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience. Sin, even for those who have no faith, exists when people disobey their conscience.” He said that God is merciful and if I’m sorry I didn’t believe in him (which obviously I would be) then I will be forgiven and I will go to heaven anyways — as long as I am a good person and follow my conscience.

            So you see, an atheist can go to heaven; it is not a big deal, there is no risk as long as I follow my conscience:)

            ٩(^‿^)۶

          • Lorraine Stuart

            I read his speech and that is what he said, you are a liar and coward.

          • Charles Sparrow

            “Christian Supremacists” charity with 1 hand, but u have to accept brainwashing with the other-no thanks-keep it.

          • Doug

            Those selfish Buddhists should be ashamed.

          • BobbyMalone

            False. American atheists volunteer less often than religious people but quite frankly given the fair number of Christians who consider useless activities like giving unsolicited advice to unwilling listeners to be ‘volunteering’, I’d say that cancels out the majority of Christian volunteering in the United States and atheists who do volunteering jobs that people actually *want* and *need* are right about equal. Furthermore volunteerism rates vary around the world and in Britain for example the volunteer rates for religious and non-religious persons are virtually identical:

            The British ‘Department for Communities and Local Government’ Citizenship Survey: April 2010 – March 2011 show
            that there is almost no difference in volunteering rates between those with
            no religion (56%) and Christians (58%).

            The report ‘Faith and Voluntary Action’ from the National Council of Voluntary Organisations (2007) says that “Religious affiliation makes little difference in terms of volunteering”.

            The 2001 Citizenship Survey finds that the proportion of people who volunteered and had a religious affiliation is similar to the proportion of people who had no religious affiliation, and this is true of both informal and formal volunteering. In both categories of those with religious affiliation and those with none, 39% participated in formal
            volunteering at least once a year, and 68% of those with no religious affiliation participated in informal volunteering versus 67% of those who describe themselves as having a faith.

            (Source: Religion in England and Wales: Findings from the Home Office 2001 Citizenship Survey, Home Office Research Study 274)

            Furthermore, atheists have been found to be more motivated by compassion than Christians. As University of California – Berkeley social psychologist Robb Willer says about his study: “Overall, we find that for less religious people, the strength of their emotional connection to another person is critical to whether they will help that person or not. … The more religious, on the other hand, may ground their generosity less in emotion, and more in other factors such as doctrine, a communal identity, or reputational concerns.”

            To find this article google “discovery news Theists vs. Atheists: Smarter? Healthier? Kinder?”

            So we can see that while nonbelievers volunteer because they want to help people, Christians are more likely to volunteer to enhance their reputation in the church community, to socialize, or because they think they have to according to religious law. Those things are all self-interested, and so do they really count as ‘volunteering’? Meh — it’s debatable.

            Furthermore, you will no doubt have heard of the many times atheists are barred from volunteering by prejudiced Christians. Just last month when the atheist volunteering group “Upstate Atheists” showed up at the Spartanburg Soup Kitchen in South Carolina, the manager Lou Landrum wouldn’t even let them volunteer! When asked about it later she said, she would resign her job before she would let atheists volunteer! All they did was show up to help and she replies with, “Do they
            (atheists) think that our guests are so ignorant that they don’t know
            what an atheist is? Why are they targeting us?” So you’ll have to excuse us American atheists if we don’t always feel like hanging around rude and ungrateful Christians all day, who are the exact OPPOSITE of Christ-like behavior!

          • Hesitate

            Lorraine, you are sorely informed. Try Doctors without Borders, a secular world wide physician outreach group that is decidedly secular: http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/aboutus/

            Try Beyond Belief.org and view the donations to date.

            We atheists are not angry. We’re just standing up for intellectual honesty. Every claim about reality must present its supporting evidence. Your religion has none for the fantasy in your bible that it claims are facts. They are not facts. Many have tried to find them, but they do not exist. That is all atheism declares. What’s more we atheists will gladly change positions if evidence is forthcoming.

          • Lorraine Stuart

            First you really need to get your facts. Atheist did some fundraising. Beyond Belief foundation is for your own agenda. Helping your not helping someone else. How many Christian organizations are there around the world that help people. Too many to name. As far a intellectual honesty, there is more then enough evidence of the teaching of Jesus, he was a man and he died for our sins. Atheism is a myth not a religion and Christianity will live on, that is a religion. You just don’t care to face the facts and read about Jesus and his teachings. And as far as the Bible over the years some has been changed so the normal person can understand but remains the same. There is plenty of historical facts to support that. Do your research.

          • Hesitate

            False. Tell us. Which public school in this Christian Nation teaches the bible or Jesus stories as fact? It’s ILLEGAL. Know why? There is absolutely no evidence for events and characters in the bible, just as has been the case for the literally thousands of gods humanity has fabricated across time.

          • Lorraine Stuart

            You are very close minded and ignorant to the teachings. I feel sorry for your ignorance and stupidity, But then again you have had no experience with God and what he truly does. God Bless and good luck.

          • Hesitate

            Errr. Fine. But why can’t public schools teach the Truth of your religion as truth?

          • Charles Sparrow

            The stuff in our imaginations is just that-like god-it’s a figment of the imagination-it’s not real. I guess satan is real though-The woman who drowned her 5 boys to keep “Satan from getting them”, remember that?

          • Charles Sparrow

            Atheism is a myth, but god is real?

          • RealityBites

            Atheists do that all the time. They just don’t make a big deal out of it.

          • Lorraine Stuart

            LOL… but they make a big deal out of Christmas. Give me a break if they were doing good deeds everyone would know about it.

          • Charles Sparrow

            John Gotti gave out free turkeys at x-mas too. So what? Granted he did not kill as many people as religion has, but then what individual can match Christianity’s bloody record?

      • Kenneth Dumesnil

        And there are a whole lot more Christians than there are atheist. The majority rules so get over it. Christians, you better start raising your voices and be heard or these little worms will ruin our nation. Be loud, be strong, and be firm.

        • BobbyMalone

          And this is why I left America.

          UGH

          Self-righteous paranoid and inconsiderate to the concept that anyone else has different beliefs. Too busy looking out for #1 to engage in real Christian values. Typical.

        • Hesitate

          The world loved Mithras for far longer than your Jesus. And the former was sent to save humanity and rose from the grave 3 days after death. A lot like Jesus, huh. It’s all made up. Now that atheists are coming out, it’s the fastest growing world view in the USA. We are now 20% of the population. We have evidence. You only shout.

        • RealityBites

          Everyone has equal rights whether you like it or not. That includes those who are not part of any organized religion

          • Charles Sparrow

            Not according to the “Christian Supremacists”. Notice from these post, out of frustration and fear, realizing they are losing the ideological battle in America, who posts threats of violence? Jesus would be so proud.

        • Charles Sparrow

          Forgot be ignorant, oh I forgot, it comes with religion.

      • HonestToAtee

        Move to Cuba you Commie, no other argument is needed because you obviously can’t understand the Constitution and it’s protections from liars like you! People have the right to worship as they please.And our laws are Judeo/Christian and not Sharia or Communist, like it or not!

        • BobbyMalone

          Islam is a Judeo-Christian religion too smarty-pants, so you’re endorsing sharia law yourself.

          • HonestToAtee

            You need to do your homework before you spew more of your ignorance here.

            Islam is a fake ideology made up 70 years after Muhammad. Do your homework before you insult Christians and Jews!

            This explains Islam and it can’t be refuted! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd9lIuUjPs0

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1JsyFrpKg

          • BobbyMalone

            I feel like I’m being trolled…

            Whatever, half of the Bible is forged and the rest was written at least a century after Jesus’ death.

            http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/13/half-of-new-testament-forged-bible-scholar-says/

          • BobbyMalone

            Besides, Jesus was a communist anyways:

            “The first communist ever was Jesus Christ. He was the first person on the planet to say – care for the poor, the orphans, and the suffering. I’ve studied all the religions of the world. There are some who can just talk about the Bible, but I actually know the Bible very well. If you read the Sermon on the Mount of Jesus Christ, and the Moral Code of the Builder of Communism – they are identical. And the main communist slogan is the same as in Paul’s epistle to the Thessalonians: he, who doesn’t work, shall not eat.”

            http://rt.com/politics/christ-first-communist-communist-party-leader/

          • BobbyMalone

            And biblical scholars believe Jesus to have be gay too. I’m not making it up, it’s the simple fact of the matter:/…

            “Was Jesus gay? Probably.”
            “Jesus’s intimacy with John suggested he was gay.”
            “Jesus was a Hebrew rabbi. Unusually, he was unmarried.”
            “The idea that he had a romantic relationship with Mary Magdalene is the stuff of fiction, based on no biblical evidence.”
            “Jesus may well have been homosexual. Had he been devoid of sexuality, he would not have been truly human. To believe that would be heretical.”
            “Heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual: Jesus could have been any of these. There can be no certainty which. The homosexual option simply seems the
            most likely. The intimate relationship with the beloved disciple points in that direction.”

            http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/apr/20/was-jesus-gay-probably

      • Edna Haydon

        Every human walk of life has had some type of religion or belief.
        The Christians have a larger database because of so many different branches of Christianity,
        i.e.;
        [1] Baptist, Catholics, Protestants, Jehovah’s Witness, Lutherans, Methodist, Non – Denominational and many others who follow under the Christian beliefs.
        [2] American Indian has their Shamans.
        [3] Mormon’s has their polygamy.
        [4] Satanist has their followers.
        [5] Islam has Muslims.
        [6] Wicca has Wiccans.
        [7] Atheists has those who are also Atheist who apparently have nothing else to do, except make it their business to be a huge pain in the ass of all religions and complaining they don’t get what other religious people get because the government favor them over the Atheist groups.
        Sounds to me like someone isn’t filling the application out properly!

        • BobbyMalone

          Now there’s some real Christian spirit. I’m ever so sorry that we atheists show up in your soup kitchens to help volunteer! I’m so sorry we ever thought that you Christians might want helps serving the poor! But no, you just greet us with words like “I’d rather resign than let you volunteer here” or “Do you think our guests are so ignorant they don’t know what an atheist is?” or “Why are you targeting us?!?!?!”

          Geez, sorry, we’ll stop trying to help. So much for “Christian gratitude” I guess that died on the cross with Christ as well didn’t it???

        • Charles Sparrow

          Religion-all, has been a pain in the ass to humanity-that’s ok?

      • Dave Kube

        Well…if you’re not angry at a God or any “God type-of” because you can’t be angry at what doesn’t exist then stop deflecting your anger toward those that CHOOSE to believe even though you do not. Your choice of unbelief is not greater than a christians choice to believe. If you want christians to stop pushing so hard to keep what values that still remain, then stop trying to indoctrinate your non-belief into our children and try to influence them just like you accuse the christians of doing…that’s called hypocrisy. Of course you won’t see this as hypocrisy in your own right because anarchy is the end result of non-belief. Why?…because humanists have no law by which they naturally abide in or gravitate to thus resulting in anarchy. You want to legislate everyone into oblivion to not speak about their faith yet you deflect when asked not to indoctrinate your non-faith into our kids. You have an agenda in and by itself, and to deny this is to be labeled a liar as well…so…In your attempt to remove one system of belief, you end up replacing it with another. It is impossible for a government system to remain neutral. Either your going to teach one thing or teach another. Neither are more important but your intellectual schitzophrenia causes your pathogenic ocular dissonance and you aparently can’t see this because your humanism is your faith…enjoy your utopian anarchy…

        • Charles Sparrow

          We don’t agree. Where do we go now? To the guns? U promote a figment of ur imagination-god. Atheists promote reality. Remember, wars are won by those who have something “REAL” to fight for.

          • Dave Kube

            We?!…who’s “we”?…if ur going to b insulting immediately in the conversation by purposeful insinuation…then let’s have at it…ok…I’ll answer each question individually…where do we go?…anywhere u want…itz a free country…for now…guns?…I didn’t bring them up…u did…uu insinuate immediately that I assume violence towards those that do not believe like me shud b harmed in sum form…apparently u must think this if u brought it up…Freudian slip anyone?…my “God” is no less a figment of my imagination than ur humanism is to u…how dare u make the immediate literal jump to presuming that ur unbelief is license to insult those whom do?!…where do u get the idea that ur belief is sum how higher just bcuz u believe it…THAT is exactly the hypocrisy I’m talking about…everybody look at me…I’m more important than those pesky Christians bcuz I believe differently…All the while ur going around accusing Christians of this and that yet ur doing the same thing…that is by far and wide the definition of hypocrisy…u want freedom from religion yet u try to indoctrinate children by teaching unproven science and psychology…I fight for what “real to me…and for you to stand on ur soapbox and preach ur unbelief as greater just cuz u sed so is not gonna win me to believe ur version of so – called reality…how can I believe in humanity wen the human condition is failing itself…how can I believe in a tangible human as God wen humanity offers nothing apart from itself…psychology?…fallible…science?…fallible…I don’t have to fight for my God…He fights His own battles…and has won a place even for the unbelievers…but I don’t go around w an elitist mentality thinking my choice to believe is greater than anyone’s choice not to…unlike every humanist I’v ever run inti…Enjoy ur utopian anarchy…

          • Charles Sparrow

            Christian Supremacists scream, “u r insulting me”! Religion is not above criticism, denial, rejection, doubt, or any other negative implication, unless u think like the Taliban. Get over it. Our world is real. All the aspects of ur religion is based on fantasy and figments of the imagination. No two ways about it. Those r the facts. U may not, but most Christian supremacists do have an elitist mentality.

          • Dave Kube

            Lol…I will agree with you that nothing is above criticism…however…In ur attempt to ridicule me as though u r above me (typical humanist…arrogant, proud and selfish)…u failed miserably on comprehending that I never sed u insulted ME…I sed, “if ur going to b insulting”…I cud care less wat u believe…or what u say…cuz the humanist philosophy comes from humans…therefor…self…therefor pure selfishness…but in case u forgot in hypocritical nonsense…A “real” insult is absolute…it’s “real” by ur standards…so quit being nonsensical and get over yourself…if real is all u care about defending…then stop teaching evolution as “absolute”…because it’s theory…get over it…ur faith in ur own faith IS ur faith…which is just as much real to u as any other persons belief…so lose ur selfish elitism…if ur belief is all humanity can conjure then I’ll stick w my fantasy…Enjoy ur utopian anarchy…and don’t forget to do what thou wilt in ur anarchy…

      • Detfan1

        Here you go . . .

        Webster’s contribution to American constitutionalism

        In the decade following America’s independence, Noah Webster sought to produce a strong union among the newly independent American states. He saw that education was a key means of accomplishing this and wrote three textbooks — Speller (1783), Grammar (1784), and Reader (1785) — that provided a content that was uniquely American, and also principles that were necessary to support the nation. His textbooks and educational reforms were intended to strengthen the unity among the American people, which would strengthen their external union. Webster saw his work to bring a standardization to the American English language as a means to unify the American people because he felt the union would be strong as the people spoke the same language. In his Sketches of American Policy (1785) he was one of the first (if not the first) to put in print a plan for a new national government. Webster believed his proposals contained “the first distinct proposal, made through the medium of the press, for a new constitution of the United States.” Webster promoted his ideas as he traveled throughout the colonies. He visited George Washington and left a copy of his booklet with him, who in turn showed it to James Madison. These men carried Webster’s ideas for a new form of national government with them when they participated in forming the United States Constitution during the summer of 1787. Webster had seen the weakness of the national government under the Articles of

        Confederation when he attempted to secure copyright legislation to protect his textbooks. Though agreeing with Webster’s policy, the Congress was unable to enact copyright legislation under the provisions of the Articles and so Webster had to travel to all the states to promote copyright legislation laws.

        Copyright legislation was just one of many of Webster’s ideas there were incorporated into the United States Constitution. Not only had Washington and Madison read his Sketches, but virtually every man who participated in the convention read it as well. Most of the principles Webster presented for creating a new government were put into the Constitution by the framers. His provisions included a surrender of a degree of state sovereignty to a stronger Congress, “a supreme power at the head of the union,” “all power is vested in the people,” equal representation of the states in Congress, and congressional power to regulate and impose duties on interstate commerce. Webster also proposed the abolition of slavery. Most of his ideas were not original. He was simply drawing from the best available sources and included many of the documents examined above, including the Declaration of Independence and various state constitutions (especially Connecticut’s). Washington, Hamilton and others had presented various ideas for a new government, yet Webster was the first to give an overall framework. Madison and others acknowledged Webster’s key role. New York State Chief Justice James Kent said Webster was “the first man who proposed the present government” of the United States.

        The document that was approved by the Constitutional Convention in September 1787 and sent to the states for ratification had both a Christian power and form— a Christian power because the source of the Founders ideas primarily came from the Bible. The brief summary of the development of ideas of liberty given above reveal this to be the case, plus this is affirmed by a direct examination of the source of their political ideas. A study was published in The American Political Science Review that listed the citations from about 15,000 political documents written by the Founders between 1760 and 1805. By far the most quoted source in these political documents was the Bible—34% of all citations. The great majority of the remaining sources were from writers with biblical ideas. In addition, almost ever one of the Founders were Christians who had a biblical worldview. Even the 2 or 3 non-professing Christians at the Convention had a biblical view of life. (Franklin is the most famous of these. His call for prayer at the Constitutional Convention reveals his belief in God’s active involvement in His creation.) The form of the Constitution is Christian as well; that is, the framework of the document reflects a Christian view of man and government. These general ideas include representative government, the separation of powers, the rule of law, and the unique concept of federalism. The Preamble to the Constitution contains a good summary of the biblical purpose of civil government. The document directly acknowledges God in the requirement of an oath of office (Article 6), in recognizing the Christian Sabbath (Article 1, section 7, paragraph 2), and in dating itself “in the year of our Lord” (Article 7). The first ten amendments to the Constitution were ratified in 1791. The individual liberties secured in this Bill of Rights were developed out of Christian civilization and were derived from the Bible and a biblical understanding of unalienable rights. These ideas were not new, but, as we have seen, were developed over many centuries. To our Founders, the primary purpose of civil government is to protect the citizens’ God-given rights. Lack of a listing of these rights in the original Constitution caused many to oppose ratifying it. Many of those who voted to ratify it in various states did so only after being assured a Bill of Rights would be added.

        During the summer of the Constitutional Convention Webster was living in Philadelphia and he had numerous discussions with many of the delegates. Near the close of the convention, Webster was asked by one of the delegates to write a paper in support of the new constitution as a means of encouraging ratification by the states. His 55 page essay — An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution Proposed by the Late Convention Held at Philadelphia — was completed in about a month, and then was printed and distributed widely. It played an important part in assuring the ratification of the new constitution. In Examination Webster compares the Constitution to “the promulgation of the Jewish laws at Mount Sinai.” He wrote the “the origin of the AMERICAN REPUBLIC is distinguished by peculiar circumstances. Other nations have been driven together by fear and necessity. . . . In the formation of our constitution the wisdom of all ages is collected—the legislators of antiquity are consulted, as well as the opinions and interests of the millions who are concerned. In short, it is an empire of reason.”

        As we have examined the development of ideas of liberty and constitutional principles, we have seen that the greatest “wisdom of the ages” affecting civil documents of liberty has arisen from the Christian religion and the precepts of the Bible. This is the primary source of American constitutionalism, and consequently, civil liberty throughout the world. Such an understanding must be transferred to all Americans in this and future generations if liberty is to be maintained. Noah Webster had a vision for educating all Americans, and posterity, in principles of liberty. His entire life was devoted to fulfilling this end. His Speller of 1794 had a Federal catechism and was the first text to educate Americans in the form of our government. His History of the United States taught fundamental governmental principles. His textbooks also contained writings of the best of American literature which he intended to inspire youth with “a love of virtue, patriotism, and religion.” His An American Dictionary of the English Language (1828) gave American Christian constitutional definitions. Webster not only sought to educate Americans in the source of our liberties, in constitutional principles, and in a knowledge of how our form of government works, but he, most importantly, sought to infuse into Americans the power or spirit necessary to support liberty. Both the power and form of free nations is rooted in Christianity. Webster wrote: “Men may devise and adopt new forms of government; they may amend old forms, repair breaches, and punish violators of the constitution; but there is, there can be, no effectual remedy, but obedience to the divine law.” As we obey God’s law and act upon the principles of Christianity, we shall see mankind advance, for, according to Webster, the gospel of the Savior contains “the genuine principles of civil life—the only principles which can perfect the work of civilization.”

        • Charles Sparrow

          All that to come up with nothing, based on fantasy-god.

          • Detfan1

            You are crazy. How did you get that he was referring to Greek Mythology Gods? You need to read more critically.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Not cute. The Christian god-a fantasy, make believe, a figment of the imagination. Got it?

          • Detfan1

            Check you premise , sir. You appear to be claiming that there is no God, and that is the wrong premise. Your condescending and somewhat angry post sounds like someone with the intelligence of an Arcaea, of which you probably believe you are an ancestor of. Jesus Christ is the Lord of all, even Charles Sparrow. That’s just the way it is. Merry Christmas, and may the blessings of our Lord be upon you and your family.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Rant on.

          • Detfan1

            You misspelled “Right”.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Good one! No kidding! Thanks for the laugh. U r like a rat turd-sharp on both ends!:-)

          • Detfan1

            I guess you would know, as you apparently ARE one, based on you lack of civil discourse. We will continue to pray for you anyway. Merry Christmas.

          • Charles Sparrow

            If u r going to perform a useless superstitious ritual for me-praying then for u I will cross my fingers, knock on wood or, I know, i’ll dance naked around a fire with a bone in my nose imploring favors from my gods or dead ancestors while shrunken heads gaze on approvingly. One is as good as the other, or maybe we could both do something useful instead of praying-like….um…thinking, maybe?

          • Detfan1

            I’ve always noticed with activist atheists, just like you, Mr. Sparrow, that they really don’t engage on an intellectual level, and immediately resort to sarcasm, and in attempts to discredit or demean folks like me. It’s like there is a defense mechanism that triggers anger and hate, when challenged on the myth of no Creator. All the science in the world, and all the great secular philosophers can’t tell us where we came from, or how we got here, or how anything can be created from nothing. There is absolutely nothing in science that indicates no Creator. Contrarily, the evidence of God is abundant every time we walk out the door and take the time to marvel at the world around us and think on how perfect everything is.

            Perhaps, you cannot come to grips with God and the love He provides, because your narcissistic, prideful lifestyle really enjoys the relative morality that Secular Humanism provides.

            However, with that, there is no true Joy in life, only yearning.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Lifestyle-atheist-enjoyment. U sound jealous. U made ur choice. It costs nothing to be an atheist. Yum, Yum, geth’cha sum.

          • Detfan1

            I have come to an educated conclusion that you have no intelligence whatsoever, since you are incapable of posting as an adult. You just hide behind your immature posts to hide your insecurity. Really, its typical atheist behavior since you always lose in substantive debate. Good day.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Paul Harvey used to end his broadcast with “Good Day”. I liked him, but often did not agree with him. Often the case concerning right wing, religious, teabagger types. Where we came from? and if we go anywhere. Who cares? None will ever know. Just go with it. Speculation-wishful thinking, (farfetched and preposterous) , is not a reason to believe anything. The damage religion has done to humanity convinces me it’s all man dreamed up nonsense.

          • Detfan1

            This may be why atheists stop debating quickly like you and resort to immature name calling, because atheist debate is always wrong. The damage that secularists have caused is currently 422.2X higher than radical groups or sects that call themselves Christians, and growing, including millions upon millions of horrific painful deaths TO Christians.

            Contrary to your perverse view of Christianity, Christians are loving, live more wholesome lives, and married couples that pray together daily have a 2.4% divorcee rate.

            The positive effects of converting to Christianity, and following God is documented millions of times everywhere. In my case, when the evils of the secularist, atheist world grabbed my daughter, she became dependent on drugs and alcohol, became a prostitute to feed her habit, was beaten badly several times almost to death twice,and got pregnant from one of these sperm donors, and learned of the pregnancy while serving time in a Florida federal Prison.

            Today, she has open visitation with the Christian family that adopted her daughter, she has come to Christ, and her entire countenance has changed. My wife and I regularity visit our granddaughter and stay at the adopted family home. They are gracious, loving, and caring.

            She has married, and added another grandchild, and she and her husband donate their time and money to those currently in the grasp of a hurting dangerous secular atheist world.

            So, yes, Christians, the true Christians, that sincerely repent, are changed for the better, and live much more rewarding lives, and have been shown to be the most generous people on the globe.

            Atheists, and you are only one of thousands that I encounter, are cruel, mean uneducated posters, that choose anger, sarcasm, and a demeaning style of posts laced with lies.

            I will take the Truth of the One True God and the outpouring of blessings that comes with that, over the dead end of atheism. I have lived both.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Ur 1 true god which is an imaginary, make believe, figment of the imagination discredits any “facts” that follow”. What happened to ur daughter was the failure of the foolish nonsense of religious ideology-not secularism. Look up current statistics about conditions in deeply religious areas of the world-all negative. These r the facts. Debating a belief based on comic book type make believe is like watching a dog chase his tail. If living in la-la land works for u-enjoy it. Besides isn’t this article about Parah Salin, and the rest of the teabagger whackos like her?

          • Detfan1

            LOL!!

          • Charles Sparrow

            Again-no god-religion=pure fantasy. Got it?

          • Charles Sparrow

            Again-religion=god=pure fantasy. Got it?

    • BobbyMalone

      Sarah Palin everyone’s favorite blow snorting adulterous model Christian says it’s cool to call people “n*gg*r” and “f*gg*t”. Can you not see why atheists are a little dubious of so-called “Christian goodness and decency”?

  • JerryS

    If you want your point of view to be taken seriously, find someone other than Sarah Palin, a person to be ignored, to be your spokesperson. She is hardly the one you would want representing any position worthy of support.

    • Steve Harper

      just what is wrong with Sarah Palin???

      • JerryS

        If you have to ask that question, then it is pointless answering you.

        • Doug

          For a woman her age she’s got a smoking hot body.

          • BobbyMalone

            Did you hear she had an affair with an NBA player and another guy, smokes weed and did coke lines off her snowmobile?

      • HonestToAtee

        Steve Harper, Jerry S is a paid troll, she shows up wherever a story about Sarah Palin is posted.
        The only thing you need to take away from her trolling is that they fear Sarah Palin BIG TIME!!

        • BobbyMalone

          I do not fear a woman who thinks New Hampshire is in the “Great Northwest”. What’s she going to do, come hunt me down the opposite corner of the country?

          • HonestToAtee

            No, she needs not waste time with a peon whose POTUS thinks he visited 57 states.

          • BobbyMalone

            You don’t know there are 57 states either????? Good grief what is Christian education coming to in this country…

          • BobbyMalone

            Hahaha is that all you guys can come up with:)? I’ve heard that 5 times already on this comment board. Our pres said one dumb thing and made fun of himself later for it wheras Princess Palin has yet to do the same for any of her million priceless pearls of wisdom:) Then again if I had a house that overlooked Russia I’d probably spend most of my time enjoying the view of St. Petersburg as opposed to reading too;)

            Just kidding, just kidding I know that was Tina Fey.

      • Lorraine Stuart

        Nothing is wrong with Sarah she is a Conservative woman in believes in small government just as i do. Allot of people are threaten by her because she is a strong woman.

        • BobbyMalone

          Sarah is a vicious racist and homophobe who thinks it’s okay to call
          black people “n*gg*rs” and gay people “f*gg*ts” and has stated so
          publicly. Her grandson when he was three was caught yelling the latter
          at his mother on live TV which apparently all involved thought was
          absolutely hilarious. She has borderline personality disorder and says
          the most offensively disgusting sewage about any and all minorities on a
          regular basis but when somebody calls her out on it she crumples to the
          floor and wails like a little baby. She builds pipelines through
          indigenous peoples’ lands without even bothering to consult them and she
          uses her public office to fundraise hundreds of thousands of dollars
          illegally for her personal use. She’s mean-spirited, morally bankrupt
          and a bigot and I have no respect for her whatsoever…

          • Lorraine Stuart

            I have followed Sarah and you have listed all lies. You are a sick liberal that likes to put down woman because they are strong. You are the one with the personality disorder and she can take any crap you dish out. I do not need to defend she can do it all herself. Get a life you lying pig.

          • BobbyMalone

            Please explain these Palinisms:

            “Dr. Laura: don’t retreat…reload! (Steps aside bc her 1st Amend.rights ceased 2exist thx 2activists trying 2silence “isn’t
            American,not fair”)” – defending a white radio host who used the n-word on the air 11 times in 5 minutes

          • Lorraine Stuart

            You is what i call trailer trash and not worth my time.

          • Doug

            That comment says it all.

          • BobbyMalone

            Oh “is” I? Well then. Go back to you KKK rally, I wouldn’t want to disturb you. I’m sure Grand Wizard Sarah Palin will be speaking soon.

          • Charles Sparrow

            I swear I’m going to sue u all for making me fall on the floor laughing and injuring myself. I know for a fact Brandon and Lorraine curl up, hug each other and sob in dark corners. HonestToAtee should join them for a 3 some. I’m getiing an image here…………………even if u don’t believe in god u will still say “oh god”.

          • BobbyMalone

            1) Saying the American President is a ‘lackadaisical shuckin’ ‘n jivin’ Sambo’

          • BobbyMalone

            2) “This isn’t racist, but it’s going to be like slavery” -racist (believe it or not:P)

          • BobbyMalone

            3) “Obama is bringing us back to days before the Civil War” – Sarah Palin racism denial i.e. racism

          • BobbyMalone

            4) Sarah Palin saying she was a victim of “blood libel” persecution (Anti-Semitic)

          • BobbyMalone

            5) “Ground Zero Mosque supporters: doesn’t it stab you in the heart, as it does ours throughout the heartland? Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate.” – Sarah Palin, anti-Muslim, as if the majority of Muslim’s aren’t ‘peaceful’ FFS

          • BobbyMalone

            6) “What Barack Obama seems to want to do is go back to before those days when we were in different classes based on income, based on color of skin.” Sarah Palin’s racism denial i.e. racism and denial of classism in America; classist

          • HonestToAtee

            What Barack Hussein Obama seems to have done is keep his sheep fooled and in the heard following his every comand as you have done, good job you sheep!

          • BobbyMalone

            Yes. The massive conspiracy that racism and wealth inequality still exist in America. What a fantastical and unlikely notion given that we are a classless communism with no hate crimes anymore. What on Earth was I thinking?

            … Oh right, I *was* thinking. That’s the difference btw Libs and Cons.

          • HonestToAtee

            The Communism and Islamism you so cherish are a murderous pair and Obama is one with both. Class warfare is in full swing under your failure of a leader!

          • BobbyMalone

            You are deep, deep down the rabbit hole:) How can I be a communist if I’m also a Muslim (apparently)? Riddle me that, Sir Kool-Aid.

          • HonestToAtee

            Typing all that we know about the connections between your ugly groups will be a chore on my cell phone but all one needs to do is look back at the coalitions formed in the OWS Anarchist movements that Soros funded! More later.

          • BobbyMalone

            Meh OWS was cool in a postmodern “we all have stuff we’re protesting and we’re altogether but with no real overarching message’ kind of way but it never got the momentum and organization it needed to become a real movement imo. I’m not too concerned with them but I’m curious to hear about the anarchist movements etc. There’s an interesting argument to be made that for most of modern human’s history we lived in anarchist societies and we had in some significant ways a better quality of life then than in modern America (wikipedia ‘original affluent society’) but we can talk about that and other far-left heresies later too:)

          • Hesitate

            Wow. what planet are you from?

          • BobbyMalone

            This is exactly what I’m talking about. Islam is a religion. Communism is anti-religion. Do you not see the problem here? Obama is neither; you are just using them as insults which makes you look both ignorant AND bigoted. Yawn.

            You’re trolling.

          • Brandon Johns

            No one denies that exists, but you really think communism is going to solve it? After all, it worked well for the Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, China, Cambodia, didn’t it?

          • BobbyMalone

            I’m a socialist. Not a communist. Big difference. Norway is a socialist state… It seems to be working out pretty well for them. Until this year we literally had the most expensive and least effective health care system in the developing world. A little socialism is not going to hurt America.

          • Brandon Johns

            So you are admitting that Obama is a socialist? Thank you. At least you don’t deny it.

            BTW Obamacare is a JOKE and you know it.

            BTW, Norway just elected a conservative government for the first time in years.

          • BobbyMalone

            Obama is in no way a socialist by any actual political definition of the word. He is a pragmatic centrist Democrat. To our misfortune.

            Our previous health care system is what was a joke — most expensive and least effective of any developed country. Obamacare doesn’t even exist yet; registration won’t even be complete until March 2014, so no you cannot say it’s already failing;) It was an excellent policy although the Republicans poked a lot of holes in it which is not only too bad but was also a bit foolish quite frankly because who do you think Dems are going to blame now if it fails? It’s basically the healthcare system of every other developed country in the world, though; It’s not an untested system. This (the original version at least) has been shown to work very well many times before.

          • HonestToAtee

            Obama is a member of the New Party, he has surrounded himself with Communists his whole life, both Parents were Communists and his Mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a renowned Commie who wrote books and articles about it! Why do you insist on lying so dang much when we can slap you with the truth?

          • HonestToAtee

            Nah, it is just destroying America, like I said before, MOVE TO CUBA and leave this Country alone Commie!!

          • BobbyMalone

            Trolling.

            You’re just proving to everyone that you know nothing about what you’re talking about… “Communist” isn’t an insult to anyone else besides conservatives… It actually means a specific thing, and you guys undermine yourselves by using it otherwise because to everyone else that just looks like McCarthyism.

          • BobbyMalone

            I think communism might work someday but as you say it has a pretty poor track record at this point. Socialism (or at least, more socialist than we are right now) has an excellent track record in reducing wealth inequality. Racism these days is mostly based on the assumption that there is a ‘black on white race war’ going on, which is false of course — black American average crime rates are exactly the same as white communities of the same socioeconomic bracket and living conditions. Once we get wealth inequality under control racial disparities in crime will disappear and the white supremacists will no longer have a foot to stand on = racism greatly diminished (although there will always be some diehard nutters). Some socialist policies would really do America good. We are very very far from actual socialism at this point; I have no disillusions that that’s ever going to happen in the US quite frankly. But a ‘*more* socialist’ capitalist system would be very good for us imo.

          • Hesitate

            These are great. These poor chides blind from Palin’s repeated string of air-headed rhetoric is utterly stunning. Hard to look at it.

          • HonestToAtee

            It has just become quite apparent to me why you hate Sarah Palin so much, you are GAY!!

          • BobbyMalone

            It has become even more apparent why you love her — you’re both seriously homophobic. Why don’t you just go ahead and say Tripp’s favorite word, hey? If you’re going to be a neo-Nazi at least do it properly… Coward.

          • BobbyMalone

            “We’re all Arizonians now.” -Sarah Palin publicly endorsing an extremely unpopular anti-Latino racial profiling policy; racist

          • HonestToAtee

            SB1070 was nothing but a mirror of Federal Law and it made not one mention of race! LIAR! YOU SUCK! AND YOU ARE BUSTED AGAIN!

          • BobbyMalone

            It’s unconstitutional. Guess you guys only care about the American constitution when it benefits YOU, huh? Classic.

            SB1070 violates both the equal protection guarantee and ban of unreasonable seizures of the 14th and Fourth Amendments. It also infringes on the free speech rights of day laborers and others in Arizona.

            https://www.aclu.org/arizonas-sb-1070

            https://www.aclu.org/immigrants-rights/valle-del-sol-v-whiting-et-al

          • BobbyMalone

            “We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty and sincerity and dignity.” -Sarah Palin’s speech at the Republican Convention, quoting fascist right-wing columnist Westbrook Pegler, an avowed racist and anti-Semite who said he hoped Bobby Kennedy would be assassinated; racist and anti-Semitic

          • HonestToAtee

            Quoted no one LIAR!

          • BobbyMalone
          • BobbyMalone

            “I think God’s will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that.” – Sarah Palin on the pipeline plan that goes through First Nations land (they were never consulted). This quote is a bit ridiculous but the point is that her actions show massive disrespect of indigenous Canadians

          • HonestToAtee

            Todd Palin is from the Yup’ik tribe which is native Alaskan you douchebag! The law sat in the Statehouse for some 30 days before it was voted on, NOW THAT IS TRANSPARENCY WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!

          • BobbyMalone

            I might be part British but that doesn’t mean I can demolish Big Ben and put a big oil pipeline in its place! No matter how long I procrastinate on it! YOU CAN’T DESTROY OTHER PEOPLE’S HOMES AND PROPERTY JUST BECAUSE YOU’RE AMERICAN AND THAT MEANS YOU THINK YOU’RE *BETTER* THAN ANYONE ELSE! YOU STILL HAVE TO *ASK* FIRST!!!

            FFS no wonder the rest of the world hates us.

          • BobbyMalone

            “You’ll be there to defend the innocents from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the deaths of thousands of Americans.” — Sarah Palin saying that Iraq was responsible for the September 11
            attacks. I’d say it’s xenophobic but to be fair, I think this one’s just straight-up stupidity.

          • HonestToAtee

            Saddam Hussein would love you too! Unfortunately he was a state sponsor for the terrorist acts that started with the 1993 WTC bombing and ended with 9/11, so you again are busted turkey!

          • BobbyMalone

            By that logic, America was responsible for 9/11 because we sponsored bin Laden and all his little friends in the ’80s when they were training to fight against the Soviets! We paid for ten years of bin Laden’s military training under ‘Operation Cyclone’ from 1979 to 1989 — that’s the equivalent of a Ph.D. in ‘Fundamentalist Islamic Militancy Studies’!! Way to go USA!! That little bit of short-sighted self-interested foreign policy worked out just great, didn’t it?!?!?

            “In the late 1980s, Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto, concerned about the growing strength of the Islamist movement, told President George H. W. Bush, ‘You are creating a Frankenstein.’”- wikipedia ‘operation cyclone’ page

            Iraq was no more responsible than America for 9/11… Al-Qaeda had direct responsibility.

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/sep/12/september11.usa2

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#Mujahideen_in_Afghanistan

          • BobbyMalone

            “The Bible says that the wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous. It’s high time that we have top Christian businessmen, businesswomen, bankers, you know, who are men and women of integrity running the economics of our nations. If you look at the – you know – if you look at the Israelites, that’s how they work. And that’s how they are, even
            today.” – preacher moments before he blessed Sarah Palin (who made no comment on the fact that he just implied it was time for “those who have integrity” (Christians) to re-acquire “the wealth of the wicked” (Israelites)) – anti-Semitic

          • BobbyMalone

            “I had to explain to her, ‘Willow, there is no justice here but you have to just zip your lip and let’s move forward.’” – Sarah Palin defending her daughter’s use of homophobic slurs (f*gg*t) on Facebook (homophobic)

          • HonestToAtee

            LIE

          • BobbyMalone
          • BobbyMalone

            “We have a President, perhaps for the very first time since the founding of our republic, who doesn’t appear to believe that America is the greatest earthly force for good the world has ever known.” — Sarah Palin, delusional grandiosity and xenophobia

          • HonestToAtee

            TRUE STATEMENT

          • BobbyMalone

            And I repeat — delusional grandiosity and xenophbobia. People can say the USA is their favorite country or that they love America because those are subjective but in no objective sense can you possibly define the US as “the greatest goodly force for good the world has ever known”. And besides, what about other countries? They have some pretty fantastic stuff too.

          • BobbyMalone

            “There’s a place in Hell reserved for women who don’t support other women.” -Sarah Palin misquoting former
            Secretary of State Madeline Albright and setting herself up for this hypocritical gem:

            “When I hear a statement like that coming from a woman candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism, or maybe a sharper microscope put on her, I think, ‘Man, that doesn’t do us any good, women in politics, or women in general, trying to progress this country.” -Sarah Palin stating her *lack* of support for Hilary Clinton’s campaign against sexism in politics; misogyny

          • BobbyMalone

            “If we were really domestic terrorists, President Obama would want to be palling around with us.” – Sarah Palin

          • HonestToAtee

            So, you deny that the DHS under Obama put out a white paper calling Americans like most Conservatives “Terrorists”? Again Sarah Palin speaking truth to lies and Treason!

          • Charles Sparrow

            Conservatives are “psychological terrorists”. They use religion to infect and contaminate minds like a dirty bomb.

          • HonestToAtee

            You a funny man, sparrow fly like do do bird! HA HA.

          • BobbyMalone

            FFS. Another example of the self-centered right wing victimization complex.

            The DHS said nothing about “most conservatives”, it was reporting on extremist right wing groups.

            The DHS issues regular warnings about American extremist groups who they belive may engage in terrorism, right AND left. Six months before, the DHS published a report about the risk of cyberattacks from extreme leftist groups. Did you see any of us lefties hurling ourselves to the ground and gnashing our teeth at the “unfairness” of being so “persecuted”? No!!! Why on Earth do you think Conservatives should get special treatment?? This is exactly why people find you guys so annoying.

            That’s the DHS’s job, to protect us, and they have to monitor domestic threats — left AND right. The number of extremist groups in America have doubled in the past decade and the majority of the new ones are conservative (i.e. anti-black president) so this is something very important to monitor.

            The extremists of all political groups get reported on; so get over the fact that you don’t get special treatment.

            http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dhs-domestic-terror-warning-angers-gop/

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/04/us-surge-rightwing-extremist-groups

          • Doug

            Now now Lorraine that’s not the language to be coming from a Christian woman. Is it?

          • Charles Sparrow

            She almost got me banned for making similar comments to her. Typical “Christian Supremacist”. Lets all sing Cindy Laupers song together-”I see your true colors shining thru”.

          • HonestToAtee

            You are a deranged moron who should be locked up to protect the public!

          • Brandon Johns

            Bobby Malone is probably some 18 year old kid.

          • BobbyMalone

            Because being anti-racism and anti-homophobia and anti-doing bad things to indigenous peoples is SO immature.

            “Like, omg. I can’t believe she just said calling someone a “n*gg*r” is a bad thing.” <– you

          • HonestToAtee

            NEVER HAPPENED LIAR!

          • BobbyMalone

            Ah you’re just being age-ist. See this is why I don’t tell you anything because I know you’ll use it against me; stop being so judgemental. Facts are facts it doesn’t matter what age I am; I’m not 18 and I’m probably older than you anyways.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Indeed, from your posts the world should be assured that you are the epitome of maturity-or mental illness. You asked for it.

          • BobbyMalone

            And how exactly does thinking racism and homophobia are wrong translate into being a deranged moron who should be locked up to protect the public? Please explain, I’m dying to know this little Hitler Youth gem of wisdom.

          • HonestToAtee

            Libelous punkness. Produce the video you promoted as the source for your lies you little Obama you!

          • BobbyMalone

            Which one, Trip and the gay slur? Youtube “Tripp Palin, Age 3, Uses Gay Slur on Bristol Palin: Life’s a Tripp”

            Ugly stuff. That’s a disgrace to our nation that her family behaves like that:(

          • HonestToAtee

            You are a deranged little man, little kids have used bad words without knowing their meanings since the end of time! Hell, I can produce video of actual homosexuals calling others faggot, or blacks call others the n word. But you, tough guy, go after a 4 year old little boy? Such a chump! Oh looky here! A black bisexual calling a gay the f word!

            http://dailyqueernews.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/azealia-banks-im-bisexual-i-can-call-perez-hilton-faggot/

          • BobbyMalone

            I think the answer to your q should be fairly obvious (as with a number of your questions here…). The article (like many of the others you’ve cited) contradicts what you are trying to say. The article says that it’s BAD that she did that. And yes, blacks can call each other the n word but that has nothing to do with Tripp calling people f*gg*ts. What on Earth are you trying to prove?? Please think through your arguments before you post them; I’m really starting to think you’re a troll…

          • HonestToAtee

            Just above you claimed Sarah Palin used those words!
            YOU ARE A BUSTED LIAR AGAIN!

          • BobbyMalone

            I said Sarah Palin *defends* the *use* of that word and thinks it’s okay. Which is true — she publicly defended her daughter for using it on Facebook.

          • Brandon Johns

            Because of the crap you spew on here. You are a deranged little kid.

            Hitler Youth was YOUR side of the aisle as well. Just like the Obama youth. Left wingers have a way of indoctrinating our young to achieve their terror goals.

          • BobbyMalone

            What? Nazism was a far right policy. I take no responsibility for what’s done to socialism when it crosses over to the dark side. There is no Obama Youth and there’s no terrorist activity going on on the left what are you talking about I think you might actually believe that for real though…

          • Charles Sparrow

            All hatred, bigotry, discrimination is based on and comes from religious beliefs. To them if you are not religious there is something wrong with “You”.

        • Doug

          Two peas in a pod.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Dyin’ laughin’. Doug-don’t let’em up for air!

      • Pat

        Good question. What IS wrong with her?

        • Charles Sparrow

          Burn! LMAO. U GO!.

    • HonestToAtee

      Hey folks, DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS TROLL!
      FEEDING THIS TROLL IS A WASTE OF TIME!!!!!!!

      JERRY S IS A TROLL HIRED AND PAID FOR BY GEORGE SOROS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • JerryS

        I am no paid troll. Just a person who finds Palin unacceptable in every respect and worth ignoring.

        • Steve Brown

          Perhaps “ignoring” was not the word you were looking for.

          • JerryS

            You’re right. Refuting more like it!

        • Lorraine Stuart

          We could say the same about you.

          • JerryS

            You could but I am not a political figure or commentator, just an ordinary guy with the right to my own opinion, which in the case if Sarah Palin happens to be shared by most people, especially those blessed with two ears, or eyes, and a brain.

          • HonestToAtee

            You need to get out of your Communist circle jerk and see that you are woefully wrong! But keep posting, the more you do the dumber you prove yourself to be troll!

          • BobbyMalone

            Yes. Having a brain is unpatriotic. That is why Sarah Palin is our greatest national hero. Rah. Rah. Rah.

          • HonestToAtee

            Thanks for the compliment in return I will admit that the women like Pelosi and Wasserman Schultz who you admire are great examples for Communists that gave their brains and souls over to the Collective!

          • BobbyMalone

            Meh most Dems are too far right for me but I like Schulz. How can you say she was bad, she protested Bush’s evil 1999 policy that life support patients must be cut off if the family can’t pay the bills and those policies resulted in the state-approved murder a six month old baby against the wishes of its poor parents and family before the policy was changed back:( Nobody can argue that was anything less than pure evil; who uses his political office to kill a 6 mo old child in front of its parents:(?

          • HonestToAtee

            WTH are you talking about? Bush was not the POTUS in 1999 you dunce! And it is Obama who voted for killing babies who survive late term abortions! You are a real sick person!

          • RealityBites

            He’s talking about when GWB was governor of Texas and apparently wanted money over a person’s right to live. Then of course he tried to force a dying woman to be kept alive in 2005.

          • BobbyMalone

            He was governor of Texas, brainiac.

            Obama did *not* “vote to kill babies who survive late term abortions”. It was ALREADY ILLEGAL to NOT provide medical care for a baby the doctor believed could survive outside the mother’s womb, and the law he was voting on did not change that.

            Obama voted against legislation that defined an embryo or fetus as a human being with rights equal to any other, BECAUSE that would make ALL abortions illegal. When the legislation was changed to add three additional clauses stating that the new law would not outlaw abortions he approved it. So now, all babies, even ones who it is viewed as impossible that they will survive, get medical care.

          • BobbyMalone
          • Charles Sparrow

            Best I ever heard!

  • Steve Harper

    These people have gone all the way stupid, I suggest maybe we burn some of them at the cross to get their attention. They can be non-believers if they want but just shut the hell up and stop trying to shove your belief down my throat

    • BobbyMalone

      You are so far down the rabbit hole we can’t even hear your paranoid rantings anymore. Shut up and take the blue pill.

      • Charles Sparrow

        I recommend kool aid-Big gulp.

  • Stoneyjack

    Sarah Palin is a gorgeous, gracious, gifted lady, but the black cat-suit was not a good style choice for Liberty U. convocation.

    • BobbyMalone

      Bashir’s suggestion is the equivalent of washing Sarah Palin’s mouth out with soap. What comes out of there on its own is far more disgusting.

  • Doug

    That’s the most exciting thing to happen at Liberty since Baskin-Robins added a new flavour.

    • HonestToAtee

      You so funny…..duh huh duh huh!

  • HonestToAtee

    JERRY S is a paid TROLL, PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!111

    • Doug

      How do I get on that payroll?

  • themotivat

    A true core atheist would not accept holiday pay for Christmas, Easter, or Good riday

    • BobbyMalone

      Jesus is more like me than you he wasn’t a Christian either and he worked on his own birthday.

      He was probably gay too let’s face it he hung out with twelve dudes and a prostitute.

      And OBVIOUSLY Jesus was a communist. That goes without saying.

      • themotivat

        You’re pathetic So sad people with that type of attitude live t the lower lever of the human species

        • BobbyMalone

          What??? It’s true!!! Communism at its roots is about redistributing wealth equally among people and how can you say Jesus would have been pro-wealth inequality? He was a very handsome accomplished man with a good sense of style; all signs point to him being gay. What gay person doesn’t have their trampy go-to friend? Jack McFarland has Karen Walker; Phoebe Buffay has Joey Tribbiani; Jesus Christ has Mary Mags.

          It’s a compliment for heaven’s sakes all people know gay guys are unfairly talented and wonderful and offensively good-looking, that’s why they’re gay; it’s natural selection. Otherwise those few amazing guys would take over the gene pool and the human gene pool would face a catestrophic drop in diversity and we’d all be cross-eyed knuckle-dragging inbred mutants within five generations. Just listen to how women (liberals anyway) talk about Neil Patrick Harris for example. Would you want that guy to be straight 8-(???? No way!!! Thank God for the gay gene that keeps us all alive and healthy and gives other guys a chance!!

  • jdm8794

    That was wonderful. I enjoy listening to Sarah. It pains me to read the awful things said about her especially when you know that it is coming from the evil in the world. God bless Sarah and her family and all of us.

    • BobbyMalone

      Sarah is a vicious racist and homophobe who thinks it’s okay to call black people “n*gg*rs” and gay people “f*gg*ts” and has stated so publicly. Her grandson when he was three was caught yelling the latter at his mother on live TV which apparently all involved thought was absolutely hilarious. She has borderline personality disorder and says the most offensively disgusting sewage about any and all minorities on a regular basis but when somebody calls her out on it she crumples to the floor and wails like a little baby. She builds pipelines through indigenous peoples’ lands without even bothering to consult them and she uses her public office to fundraise hundreds of thousands of dollars illegally for her personal use. She’s mean-spirited, morally bankrupt and a bigot and I have no respect for her whatsoever.

      • Brandon Johns

        You are a race-card playing, Obama worshipping commie and I have no respect for you, nor that racist commie Obama. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

        How old are you BTW?

        • BobbyMalone

          I’m white and my age is of no concern to you. Are you age-ist to? I’m a SOCIALIST not a communist; that’s perfectly acceptable, America is farrrr to the right of most developed nations and to its own detriment; our quality of life would improve if we had better healthcare and schools — y’all have had your chance and it hasn’t worked so adios the Che Guevaras are moving in.

          • Brandon Johns

            That is because you are like 20 years old and you have no clue. Our healthcare was fine before Obama came in and screwed it up. Our schools would be better if our parents and students had more choices instead of what the government decides to indoctrinate them with. Che Guevara was a MASS MURDERER.

          • BobbyMalone

            Ah hahahahha sorry you got my age wrong. Actually I completely agree with you about Che Guevara I don’t understand why the left is so in love with him. No, our healthcare system was a disaster — in 2011 the government even issued a report saying that “The U.S. healthcare system is characterized as the world’s most expensive yet least effective compared with other nations.” Google ‘Examining quality and efficiency of the U.S. healthcare system Kumar S, Ghildayal NS, Shah RN’ if you’re interested; it’s a (dot)gov website. I don’t think there’s going to be any more indoctrination than what’s already going on; schools are just going to be more equally funded if it’s carried out by the national government like pretty much every other developed nation as opposed to state and local like it is now. ” The United States ranked 26th in math — trailing nations such as the
            Slovakia, Portugal and Russia. What’s more, American high school
            students dropped to 21st in science (from 17th in 2009) and slipped to
            17th in reading (from 14th in 2009), according to the results…. American students historically have ranked low on international
            assessments, owing to a range of social and economic factors — from
            skyrocketing rates of child poverty to sheer population diversity…. “Socio-economic background has a significant impact on student
            performance in the United States, with some 15% of the variation in
            student performance explained by this, similar to the OECD average,”
            according to a PISA summary of U.S. performance.
            “Although this impact has weakened over time, disadvantaged students
            show less engagement, drive, motivation and self-beliefs.”” (‘US Teens Lag in global education rankings as asian countries rise to the top’ nbc). We need to stop being such an unequal nation and some socialist-ish policies *will* help with that.

          • Charles Sparrow

            So was Batista, the US. backed dictator he overthrew.

      • Charles Sparrow

        She does have that thin veil of pretend religious goodness that the right loves to scurry behind when you point out their hypocrisy.