Atheist group targets Christmas with ‘anti-god’ billboard campaign

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Not content with having the freedom to be non-believers, an atheist group has plans to erect 55 billboards this week in the Sacramento, Calif., area to force their point of view on others.

The effort is part of an ongoing national campaign by the Freedom From Religion Foundation called “Out of Closet,” which lets atheists know they are not alone during the Christmas season.

“There are a lot of non-believers and this time of year, they feel like they’re all alone,” Judy Saint, president of the Sacramento chapter, told the local ABC affiliate. “This is not directed to people who enjoy their church, who enjoy their religion. That’s fine. But we’re talking to people who don’t know that atheism is okay.”

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The messages on the billboards vary, but many have a decidedly anti-God tone. Examples include:

“Without god, I am full of love”

“I believe in people, not gods”

Nonetheless, Saint said the movement is not about being anti-God, but being OK with not embracing a God, according to NEWS10. “You don’t have to have a God in your life,” she said.

Rev. Michael Kiernan, pastor of the Our Lady of the Assumption Catholic Church, told KCRA that the money for the signs would be better spent on charity.

“We are confident God is going to be OK,” he said. “God has been around forever and these things come and go. This too shall pass.”

H/T Breitbart.com

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  • justme

    Oh come on….lets be fair and equal to everyone. I wanna see a billboard that says Allah is a myth and the Quran is trash. If you’re gonna trash my religion then you might as well trash them all. Why are all these organizations only targeting Christians? I’m pretty sure there is a word that describes singling out a particular group of people and trying to harass and degrade them…..

    • CRShelton

      The push-back against these religious holidays is proportional to the saturation level they reach in public life. There are vastly more Christmas Trees, Nativity Scenes, and other Christian displays at this time of year than Muslim ones.

      Your comment is ridiculous, however, on many points. For one thing, no atheist billboard has said the bible is trash, so that suggestion is already hyperbolic. Moreover, Allah and the Christian God are the same. Though the two faiths disagree about the nature and characteristics of God, to say that one is a myth is to say that both are.

      Specifically, Muslims do believe in the virgin birth of Jesus, whom they also recognize as a miracle worker and prophet. So when an atheist says that story is a myth, the claim attacks both Chistianity and Islam equally.

      I’m sure you’ll find that during the course of a year these atheist groups will be involved in dispute and controversy that engages with many different religions, but mostly Christianity because it is the most likely to invade our public and private lives as secular Americans.

      • porktheotherwhitemeat

        sure islam doesn’t believe in the virgin birth especially when mohamad was banging 12 year old

        • wender

          Actually she was 9….

        • CRShelton

          I’m not sure if you misunderstood me or I’m misunderstanding you, but just to be clear: they DO believe in the virgin birth.

          • cezzwho

            No, they don’t. They say God can’t have a son & therefore cannot be equal with God.

          • CRShelton

            There is no debate to be had here. You are simply wrong. Look it up or ask a Muslim if you don’t believe me.

          • Al Ram

            I’m Christian, but wanted to comment on this, muslims do believe in the
            virgin birth of Christ, what they don’t believe is that Christ was the
            Son of God and died for our sin, they just regard Christ as a prophet
            and messenger of allah, which is interesting because then muhhammad
            calls Jesus a lier. you either accept the Complete story about Christ
            and believe who he said he was, or call him crazy or a lier and deny
            him.

            Sources: I’ve read the quran.

          • Charles Sparrow

            How r details based on fantasy relevant?

      • Beeta

        It matters not, even though you are wrong about allah and Christ being the same, it is through Christ we must be saved. They follow Mohamad not allah so much. mohamad is the final prophet and they follow his teaching which is murder and hatred.. We follow Christ who is the real prophet and son of God and he alone died for our salvation… It is through Christ alone that we will see God. Not mohamad!! Christianity does not invade our lives.. It has always since the beginning of our nation been a Christian nation… they are the invader with their attitudes. And we are not all secular americans.. Sorry But there is NO comparison between Christianity and Islam… You have some loose screws.. We serve Christ and his father .. They worship MOhamad and allah.. They have a perverted religion because of Mohamad… We do not kill people who are not Christian.. They kill if you do not worship mohamad and Allah!! YOu do not know what you are talking about!!! If you were a Christian you would know the difference.!!

        • paulvalery

          You really should study Islam before you try to explain it to another. Lack of knowledge of religion is common to believers, so it is expected. First of all, nobody said “allah and Christ” were the same. In case you haven’t read the bible, Christ is supposed to be the son. He has a father. That would be your “god”. The Abrahamic god. The same, exact, god that Muslims worship. Their word for your shared god is Allah. Get over it. The truth may cause you some discomfort, but it is the truth none the less.
          Christianity doesn’t invade lives? Now you are showing your ignorance of history, not just religion. Ever heard of the Inquisition, the Crusades, witch burnings, anti-homosexual sentiment, anti-choice, any of those? Christians have killed and tortured millions of people over centuries and centuries. Europe was a blood bath for hundreds of years, just like the middle east is now. Go to N. Ireland some day, and then tell us all how christianity doesn’t invade lives.
          Perhaps you can explain to us all how a nation, founded by a Constitution that DOESN’T MENTION GOD ONCE, except to lessen the influence of religion, is considered a “christian” country?
          Stay in school. You have no idea of what you speak.

          • rhodes autry

            I have been in school for probably longer than you have been alive so I very likely qualify to answer your concerns. I don’t know how many times you have read and made notes on the Quran, but I have my copy with my notes and feel I have amassed some understanding of the text. Your statement “nobody said ‘allah and Christ’ were the same” shows that you do not have an understanding of either text in question, the Bible or the Quran. I am unwilling to school you on these matters in a commentary forum, but you should read more, and your suggestion of staying in school is not necessary for knowledge. I have 3 degrees with honors, am doing post graduate work now and have learned a lot in school… but I have learned on my own through research and equivalent amount, and so could you as long as you will find a place for intellectual honesty. You cannot learn by submitting your thinking to emotional bias. Just to get you started in your understanding so you can do the research, I will give you some easy to understand truth. If you can follow the logic here and apply it to this issue there is a good chance you will be able to gain insight. If not then you may as well not bother. #1. If a = b and b = c then a = c. #2. Jesus is God. With these two axiomatic statements in place rethink your position. You also have the classic misunderstanding that the term “Christianity” as used by humans can mean different things. Typically as used by those outside the camp, it has no real definition, but has subjective descriptions that are formulated as one speaks so that the definition will fit into the argument of the one speaking and typically in the direction of their interests. Since you stated you did not understand “how a nation, founded by a Constitution that DOESN’T MENTION GOD ONCE, except to lessen the influence of religion, is considered a “christian” country?”… I will help you with this one as well. There is no such thing as a Christian country or nation, strictly speaking. Those that refer to America as a Christian nation usually mean that the views that developed through the years were a result of the good fortune of having many believers who made laws in light of justice and good as explained in Scripture. As time goes along we drift further from this position and we have the mess that you see now. Also the constitution is most certainly not the only document that gives insight into the formative process of our nation. Surely you are familiar with these other documents and do not need me to mention them. Study them with intellectual honesty and you will gain insight as to why folks refer to the US as a Christian country, although strictly speaking there is no such thing. Finally, you mention wars in the name of Christianity… herein lies the problem with nomenclature. Judging by your post, you will have to do reading and research a good bit to understand this issue. Once you do the research you will realize there are no instructions for believers to engage in military actions. There is not Christian nation to defend, Christ is the King of Kings and is a category all to Himself which cannot be compared to human constructs. He has a kingdom, not just a nation. Subjects of the kingdom do not fight for Him… He will do the “fighting” upon His return. There have been atrocities done in the “name of Christianity” for sure, but this is not a Christian issue… it is more like identity theft. There have been massacres in Atheistic regimes throughout history, as well as in the name of various other religions. Believers are persecuted by Atheists, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and others…however believers do not persecute others. This is a lot for a non-scholar sort of person to assimilate, but begin here and keep slugging away at it and you may gain insight into these matters. You will still be unable to really understand things of God unless you surrender your will to Him since those things are spiritually discerned. Good luck in your academic endeavors in these matters.

          • CRShelton

            What do you think Arab Christians call God? They call him Allah because it’s just a word that means God (I captialize it instead of saying ‘it’s a word that means god’ because it actually translates more like ‘the god’). You are absolutely right that Christ and Allah are not the same but I never said that. I don’t believe that Christ and God are the same thing either, except in one particular branch of religion, so when I’m talking about the whole world you can trust that I will use the terms with distinction.

          • Bob Ofenhagen

            I think they are very much the same. Both silly myths (neither of them as entertaining as Norse or Greek mythology) that persist because people can’t come to grips with the reality there is one life and all of the people they loved are gone forever.

          • Mercedes Silva

            It’s your right and I respect your choice to believe that the Bible is a silly myth. I just ask that you also respect my right to believe that Jesus Christ is God and the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. That’s what I believe. I have a constitutional right to free speech as do you. Why do you want to silence me? You can put up all the billboards, signs, ads, whatever you want about atheism.Heck you can go and shout it on every street corner across America for all I care. You can sue the government to remove God from all the schools, public places etc. It doesn’t bother me. That is your life choice. I just don’t understand why you think I don’t have the same right to freedom of expression as you do. Christians are still going to proclaim the gospel regardless of the government because so far there is still freedom of speech. Why do you have a problem with that?

          • Charles Sparrow

            U do ur proclaiming in the wrong places. If u do it outside of ur head, home or church(if using public property) u r imposing it on others and u cannot use public property for that.

          • Sharon Kutz

            If it is entertainment you want, then mythology it is. If it is an eternity in heaven you want, than there is only One Way, and His name is Jesus.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Prove it.

          • Sharon Kutz

            Wish I could prove it to you, empirically.
            But I can’t. Just ask God to prove it to you. He will!

          • Charles Sparrow

            Sharon please don’t think that I am so haughty and arrogant that I believe I can never be wrong-I can. I just have to go with the evidence that exists.

          • Sharon Kutz

            Charles, I understand, really. But when I see things in nature, or pictures from space, or just bend my fingers and open them again, it is evidence to me of a master Designer. This world could not have just happened, no way. The mathematical odds that it did, are incredibly against it. Plus, I have seen answers to prayer that are actual miracles, no other explanation. I could never expect to convince you or anyone that there is a God. But I can point you to Him, tell you that He truly loves you, and then pray for you. As I stated before, if you seek Him, He will be found:) I wish you all the best!

          • Charles Sparrow

            I’m the first to agree about amazing things. I’m not blind. But this stuff about, well there happened to be this designer and……..Naw, U got to show me the money. And there is all the nonsense connected to that belief system, it’s hypocrisy and the damage it has done to humanity. Miracles=coincidence. U sound like a good decent person. I try to be one too. No matter our personal beliefs, in that capacity we both have something to contribute to humankind. Best to u too!:-)

          • Sharon Kutz

            Charles, I thought of one more thing:) There is a book called “Evidence that Demands a Verdict” by Josh McDowell. He was a super intelligent atheist, and set out to prove there was no God. Some of it was a bit cerebral for me, but on his quest, he discovered facts that were undeniable. You might enjoy this read.

            I agree, a lot of damage has been done by religious folk and religion in general.
            But true faith is not about religion. It is a one to One, daily relationship with Jesus.
            Plain and simple, just like me:)

          • Rob

            While you have a the right to believe what you want – the strength of our great nation – your mean-spirited comments and condemnation of those who believe in God and Jesus Christ is very sad and frankly rude. If you want to have a cogent conversation in the arena of ideas, fine; but you need to refrain from rants against your fellow citizens regarding their beliefs as silly myths.

          • Mercedes Silva

            Well said.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Immersing ones self in religion and flights of fantasy is not adequate treatment for mental health issues, it’s only proof they exist. Adequate treatment from a qualified mental health professional should be obtained.

          • Mercedes Silva

            What particular brach of CHRISTianity where Christ is believed to be God are you referring to? You write that you don’t believe that Christ is God but you are an atheist and don’t believe in any God so why does any of this matter to you? You’re atheism doesn’t matter to me. I don’t criticize you for being an atheist. I respect your choice. I believe that you are not qualified to make comments because you are making false statements about Christianity. We believe in the Triune God. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. If you can comment on those truths I would sincerely appreciate it.

          • CRShelton

            Okay I’ll try to make it simple.

            When I talk about God I mean the God of Abraham. The guy in the book of Genesis who created the world. The one who talked to Moses. The one who caused the flood and told Noah to build an ark. Is that not the God you believe in? Because that is the exact same God the Muslims believe in, and they call him Allah.

            When I talk about Christ I mean the man, Jesus of Nazareth, who claimed to be a prophet and the son of God, challenged the Roman occupation, and was crucified for it.

            Christianity is the only religion that *does* believe Christ and Allah are the same, they just call Allah by a different name.

            What the two faiths disagree about is who Allah spoke with most recently and what he said.

            Here is an analogy: A man named Henry lives by himself watching movies in a cabin in the woods, and nobody is allowed to talk to him or see him. Occasionally, but with no predictable regularity, he contacts someone outside of the cabin and tells them his opinion on the movies he’s watched.

            Now suppose a guy named Jay says he has been contacted, and Henry told Jay that he really enjoyed the movie ‘Pulp Fiction’. A little while later, a guy named Mo says Henry contacted him and said he didn’t actually like ‘Pulp Fiction’, there must have been a miscommunication. Mo calls him Hank, but that’s neither here nor there.

            Some people don’t believe Mo, some people do. Some people don’t believe Jay, some people do. Some people think neither of them was ever contacted in the first place. What’s important in this analogy though is that they are all arguing about the same guy. It doesn’t matter that some call him Henry and some call him Hank. They all believe there is a man in the cabin, and they only disagree about who he spoke to and what he said. Some say “No, Hank and Henry aren’t the same! I believe in Henry who loves Pulp Fiction! They believe in Hank who hates Pulp Fiction!” but that is no more than an ontological evasion of the conflict.

            However, long before Jay or Mo came around, Henry had a contact named Abe. Abe told everyone how much Henry loved ‘Casablanca’. Abe called him Harry, but that was a long time ago and nobody talks like Abe anymore. People who believe Jay and people who believe Mo have no argument about what Abe said. They all believe Abe.

            To complete the analogy, if I put up a billboard saying “Henry hates Casablanca”, even if I do it specifically to challenge believers of Jay, the believers of Mo are also having their beliefs challenged.

          • Mercedes Silva

            I didn’t bother to read your rhetoric. NOWHERE in Christianity are Christ and Allah equal. You are simply wrong. Okay, what part of “as a Christian I believe Jesus Christ is GOD in the flesh” don’t you understand? It’s very base and simple. JESUS CHRIST IS THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS NOT ALLAH. That’s it. That’s all. Very simple.

          • Mercedes Silva

            Oh, I think I get you. You’re not following that CHRISTIANS (not you, not muslims, not any other faith in the whole entire world) believe that Jesus Christ is GOD. Why are you talking about the God of Abraham when you are an atheist? What do you care? Do you understand me now?Because I must admit this is a little frustrating. One more time. CHRISTIANS BELIEVE JESUS CHRIST IS GOD IN THE FLESH. I can say that all day long CRShelton. Islam does not believe that. CHRISTIANS believe that. See the difference?

          • Mercedes Silva

            CHRISTIANS (not you, not muslims, not any other faith in the whole entire world) believe that Jesus is God. See the difference? Islamists do not believe that Jesus is God. If they did then I would have to re-think this discussion but they absolutely do not. Christians believe Jesus is God. Christians pray to, worship and revere Jesus. IDK why you are having such a hard time processing this simple, simple fact.

          • Mercedes Silva

            BTW I love that I get a platform to profess my belief. Thank you for allowing me to share. :)

          • Mercedes Silva

            I AM A CHRISTIAN. I BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD. HE IS MY GOD. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? I BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD. As long as you keep disputing the facts of Christianity I’m gonna keep declaring the truth of the gospel which is JESUS IS GOD. Also I don’t care that you or anyone else doesn’t believe that. I just don’t want unbelievers to be confused by your misinformation. Islam does not claim that Jesus is God. CHRISTIANS do. Not the same. Never will be. AMEN.

          • Mercedes Silva

            I AM A CHRISTIAN. I STUDY THE GOD OF THE BIBLE AND I BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD. Muslims do not believe that Jesus is God nor do they study the Bible. Your comparison is absolutely false, absurd and ridiculous.

          • Mercedes Silva

            I don’t get it. Can you really not understand when I say Jesus is God? How much spiritual discernment do you need to understand simple English? Jesus is God. I can’t say it enough. Maybe you will be able to understand it one day. Jesus is God.

          • Mercedes Silva

            Please refrain from trying to “teach” the Bible to anyone. You are an atheist and have no idea what you are talking about as pertaining to God, and therefore His Word. Your pathetic attempt at trying to interpret Scripture is most offensive.

          • Guest

            Pardon me for intruding, but I find your analogy extremely interesting. Are you Christian might I ask?

            I was unaware that Christians consider Jesus and Allah to be one in the same. So, this is the source of contention between the 2 religions? I honestly have never heard this.

            I do not consider God and Christ to be one in the same. I believe in God, but have major issues with religion, and was raised Catholic.

          • Mercedes Silva

            I am a Christian and you never heard this because it’s not true.

          • Guest

            Then you must love the atheists too.

            NO God would condemn anyone to eternal hell for their choice of religion.

          • Mercedes Silva

            BTW CRShelton is an atheist.

          • Guest

            Don’t demand respect for your beliefs, until you provide the same for others. I’m not a kid, have a mind of my own.

            I must say, Christians are by far the most pushy and narrow minded of all religions. Most of you can’t even see that you defeat your entire purpose of drawing others in, when you try to shove your beliefs down our throats. It’s an offensive approach that does more harm than good.

            You have NO idea how many times individuals like myself have tried to buy into your religion, and I just can’t. Any religion who uses fear in order to control the masses, is not for me.

            I respect you POV, you need to respect mine.

          • Mercedes Silva

            I do love atheists. I love everyone. I sincerely apologize if I disrespected you in any way. I assure you it wasn’t my intention. I do respect your beliefs and I personally would never impose my beliefs on anyone. The only reason why i participate in this discussion is to clarify the facts about the Christian faith. It matters not to me if no one believes them.

          • Guest

            Thanks. It’s not that you offended me, but you proved my point. You jumped on my comments instantly.

            This staunch defense of Christianity is forever present on these boards. It almost looks like projecting…as if many of you have issues with some of it yourself, but some of you’re too stubborn to admit it. Like it or not, that’s how it appears to me. NO religion should be based on fear, and that’s how many Christian faiths operate. That’s a fact.

            If your beliefs are as secure as many of you claim, you wouldn’t feel the need to constantly defend. You would allow others to speak their POV freely, but instead of trying to change how others think. It’s not going to happen. Live and let live.

            Buddhism was established long before Christianity. I believe we can have more than one prophet representing us.

            Peace my dear. Merry Christmas :)

          • Mercedes Silva

            I’m happy to have proven your point, whatever it was, because I truly do not know. I’m not defending I am simply clarifying the basic fundamental principles of my faith, since they are not being accurately represented by non-Christian atheists. IDK how many times I’ve repeated that I do not care what anyone else believes but for some reasons you keep insisting that I am imposing my beliefs on you. I realize now that these discussions are an utter waste of time since I cannot believe anyone reads anyone else’s entire comment (at least not mine). Please follow Buddha. Buddha can “represent” you but not me. I only follow Christ. That is my narrow, closed minded belief. I suppose that’s what offends everyone. The fact that we believe there’s only one way and that for us it is Jesus. That’s what we believe, but like I’ve already stated many times I do not care what anyone else believes nor do I intend in any way to impose my faith on anyone. Unless what you mean by “imposing” my faith on anyone is talking about it at all, anywhere. If that’s the case I don’t have a comment on that.

          • CRShelton

            To answer the first question, I am not Christian.

            Christians believe Jesus and Allah to be the same in that ‘Allah’ is just a word for ‘God’ in a different language.

            From an epistemological standpoint an English speaking Christian who says ‘Jesus and God are the same” must be able at least to conceptualize God without Jesus in order to make the statement. That concept has multiple signifiers in multiple languages, one of which is the proper noun ‘Allah’. So the statement is no more or less true, nor does it really mean anything different, if you change it to “Jesus and Allah are the same”.

            As to the differences between the two religions’ views on Jesus, the very simplified version is this:

            Christians believe in the Old Testament. Muslims believe in the Torah. The two documents have some minor differences, but the basic history and mythology are the same. Both Muslims and Christians believe Jesus was a prophet, born of a virgin, anointed by God to perform miracles and disseminate His instructions to the children of Israel. Both religions believe Jesus (His name in Arabic is Isa) is the Messiah promised in the Old Testament/Torah and that he will return to earth to defeat the anti-christ and usher the end-times. Both religions believe him when he says he will die and be resurrected.

            However, Muslims do not believe that Isa was more than a mortal man anointed by Allah as a prophet, like Noah or Moses. They also do not believe that any mortal man would receive two lives on earth, and yet they believe he will return. They consolidate these beliefs in the idea that Jesus/Isa never died at all, but God/Allah snatched him up at the last minute and only fooled the Romans into thinking they had killed him. According to them his first physical death will not occur until after his return, at which point he will be received into his second life in heaven, just like all mortal men.

            Obviously the main point of contention between the religions is that Muslims believe that there was a new prophet after Jesus, and Christians believe Jesus was the last. Both religions seem to agree that throughout history God has used his prophets to correct our mis-understandings of his previous instructions, and that the most recent prophet has always been the most trustworthy, they just don’t agree about who the most recent prophet was, and as a result they don’t agree about which instructions God/Allah actually wants the people of Earth to follow.

            As I said that is a very simplified version, but I think it will give you a good basis on which to do the rest of your research. If there are any Muslims reading who feel I’ve misrepresented your beliefs, please feel free to clarify or correct what I’ve written.

          • Mercedes Silva

            You have no idea what you are talking about. First off the Torah are the JEWISH scriptures. The Koran are the Muslim scriptures. They have a few similarities but they are completely different. I am a Christian. I don’t know what Muslims believe. I study the Bible. I don’t follow a religion. I have a relationship with Jesus Christ. The scriptures are the inspired Word of God. Everything you said is nonsense because you cannot comprehend God’s revelation about Himself.

          • Mercedes Silva

            Sure Muslims can “clarify or correct” what you’ve written. That is what I have been trying to do all along. I know the Bible and I know Jesus Christ, yet you keep writing these ridiculous arguments about what Christians believe. I’m telling you what Christians believe but for some reason you (an atheist) think you know more about my faith than I do. I guess you are searching for God like so many people. Keep studying the Bible. Hopefully God will give you revelation so that you can have a personal relationship with Jesus also.

          • Guest

            Thank for that in-depth explanation, it is much appreciated.

          • Mercedes Silva

            I guess you’re not following that he is not interested in discussing Buddhism because his only objective so far has been to misrepresent and trash talk Christianity.

          • Guest

            Maybe you stop worrying about others.

          • Mercedes Silva

            I didn’t know I was “worrying about others.” I made a comment. I do not waste my time worrying about anything.

          • Mercedes Silva

            I have no idea what you wrote about. Too intellectual for me! LOL! But I agree with statement #2 JESUS IS GOD. AMEN!!!

          • Mercedes Silva

            You know all this debate is a platform to promote the gospel. Ironic don’t you think? All we Christians have to do is keep repeating the truth of the Bible that Jesus Christ is God. That’s it. No need to argue or offend. God made it so simple for us. Jesus is God. Believe and follow Him. Simple! I LOVE Jesus!

          • Charles Sparrow

            Right-just keep repeating the same ridiculous nonsense over and over and it’s bound to come true sooner or later! Heeeeeeeelo, girlfriend. I LOVE fried pork chops!

          • Bob Ofenhagen

            Or Martin Luther’s “On the Jews and their Lies” being a foundation for Nazi Germany?

          • Sharon Kutz

            Martin Luther was a man. Wrong on so many things, but broke away from the Catholic church.
            Jesus is God, never sinned, paid with His life for everyone, even those who choose not to accept His free gift of salvation.
            He said, I and the Father are One.

          • Charles Sparrow

            jesus is god too. Then I’m also a pine tree. Some of these posts should be shown to a psychiatrist for evaluation. They scare me!

          • Sharon Kutz

            Ha, ha~ a pine tree. Don’t be scared, Charles, we love you anyway.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Ain’t skeered. Love u too.:-)

          • Mercedes Silva

            The Old Testament Scriptures and the Koran are not the same. You have no idea what you are saying because you don’t know who our God is. Logically, if the two reference do not teach the same things they are talking about two different entities. You can’t explain it away by saying Allah is just the Muslim word for god. The God of the Bible does have a name. He is called I AM. Does Allah mean I AM? No it does not. I will take the latitude to comment on what I think Allah means to Muslims based on my observations. Allah is revered as the ultimate supreme being. That is who Allah is for Muslims, not just another word for God. To suggest such a thing seems blasphemous to me.

        • Bob Ofenhagen

          Lol you have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps when you have read more than 1 book you can make some sort of notified statement about this topic.

      • Rob

        Invade your public and private lives?! I’d like to hear how that happens.

        • Charles Sparrow

          10 comm. monument on my courthouse lawn, prayer at gov. meetings and school events, in god we trust, under god, so help me god etc. Keep it in ur mind, home, church.

          • Brandon Johns

            We can have it anywhere we want. Freedom from religion and OF religion.

          • Charles Sparrow

            No u can’t. If we can’t get the court to make them remove it we will put a monument to atheism and the LGBT community next to it. It’s that Christian supremacist attitude, we can do anything we want. We r presumptuous, arrogant, overbearing, intrusive and offensive. We r entitled. Not anymore pal-those days r over.

          • Eric

            You are an athiest supremacist, hypocrite!

          • Dee

            What are you so afraid of? You claim God doesn’t exist so why are you afraid?

          • Charles Sparrow

            Not afraid just offended u won’t keep it in ur HHC, Head , Home, Church.

          • Mercedes Silva

            Will you do the same regarding your beliefs? I hope not because that’s not what this country is about. We are all suppose to have the freedom to believe whatever we chose to believe as long as it doesn’t harm others. Freedom of speech applies to all Americans.

          • Charles Sparrow

            If it were not for religion, there would be no atheist. keep ur nose out of our gov, institutions and the public square and u will never hear from us. U won’t though. Never have. The fanaticism that defines religion assures u will try to impose it on others. Religion has infected and contaminated the whole world seeking a place to practice “religious freedoms”. Try outer space. The aliens won’t want u either.

          • Mercedes Silva

            Lol! If we didn’t believe in God then you wouldn’t have to not believe in God? Don’t be such a hate monger! I didn’t put anything in the public square, the Founding Fathers did that. I think you should fight it in court if you think it doesn’t belong there. Good for you! You are in a country that allows you the freedom to do that! BTW I can’t begin to explain how much I do not care what you believe. So please do not generalize and assume that everyone of faith wants to impose their faith on you because that is simply not true. I hope I get to see you in the news fighting the cause for Atheism! That’s what makes this country so great!

          • Charles Sparrow

            Right. No religion-no atheists-great. Not a hate monger. Founding fathers did not do that. Fighting in court now. Maybe u will see me in the news. I hope so. It is true that Christian supremacist try to impose their faith on everybody.

          • Mercedes Silva

            I’m sorry you are so full of hate Charles. It is really sad. I wish you well. I really do.

          • Rob

            You choose to be offended; there are no laws that support the notion you have a right not to be offended.

          • Charles Sparrow

            By all means make sure u send this message to the Christian supremacists who r always insulted if anyone disagrees with them

          • Theresa Easley

            Put all your monuments you want. It’s not going to stop or hurt us. It won’t change what we believe.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Don’t care what u believe. Just gonna make sure u keep it away from me, our gov. institutions, schools and public property. Remember HHC Head, Home, Church. That’s ur’s. Everything else belongs to everybody else and is not ur personal property to promote or advertise religion on.

          • cezzwho

            We the People ARE the Government. Our forefathers came here to get away from you. We were given freedom of speech by them. If you don’t like it, leave. Go start your own country where ebonics & ivoronics (lol) are your official language.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Freedom of speech is not freedom to impose ur religious beliefs on others.

          • Jim Schwalbe

            The President just lit a taxpayer funded CHRISTMAS tree, the Senate and House open EVERY session with a prayer. Our money says “In God we trust”. You Atheists run around thye country suing Elementary Schools for singing Christmas Carols and putting up billboards. Cowards. Like the lady said…..If there is no God, why are you in such a dither about it? One last comment, what if your wrong? LOL

          • Charles Sparrow

            There should be no taxpayer funded x-mas tree. Politicians have no business praying-they should get off there knees and go to work (for a change). Our money should say E PLURIBUS UNUM like it did before. No religious songs in schools-they are for secular education not to promote religion. Lot’s of religious billboards. Atheists can put them up too. If I’m wrong about god and it’s ever proven too me, i’ll say “Jim ole buddy, you were right, and I was wrong, I stand corrected”.

          • Mercedes Silva

            What do you think happens when you die?If you are correct then you can get away with “I stand corrected”, but what if you are wrong? Have you even considered that side of the argument? Just saying…

          • Charles Sparrow

            Nothing. Dead is dead. I was being sarcastic. Sorry you missed the boat,(in more ways than one),Just saying…….

          • Mercedes Silva

            Yeah but what if you’re wrong? Ever even consider the possibility?

          • Charles Sparrow

            I won’t let the fear of superstitious nonsense rule my life. Stand up. Make a decision based on reason and logic (which does not exist in religion) and have the courage of ur convictions. I believe dead is dead. Like when they put us to sleep in the hospital-u don’t know anything do u.

          • Mercedes Silva

            You have a religion too. Your religion is atheism. You BELIEVE there is no God. You can’t prove what you BELIEVE therefore by definition it is based on faith. Or is atheism belief in nothing? But if you believe in nothing isn’t that belief in something? Am I correct? i don’t know. I admit I’m confused regarding atheism. Please educate me because i know nothing about atheism.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Atheism is not a religion. I look and see nothing, I conclude and say, “there is nothing there”. Belief and faith mean nothing. Both are excuses for something that does not exist and cannot be proven. Something that exist only in the imagination. I’m a decent human being who commits every day to do the best I can and do no harm. I just do not have need of beings who exist in my imagination to help me with that. Religion permeates, saturates, and intrudes on every aspect of humanity. Some of us do not want it and we should not be subjected to it against our wishes. That’s the best explanation I can give. Please don’t try to point out where I’m wrong based on guide lines from ur imagination. I’ve heard it all and it changes nothing.

          • Mercedes Silva

            I can’t judge you. We each have our own way of getting through life. I respect your beliefs. I don’t agree or even understand them but I do respect them and I wish you well.

          • Charles Sparrow

            U too!:-)

          • Mercedes Silva

            Oh, thank you for engaging me in this discussion.

          • C King

            I was born 50 years too late, unfortunately

          • Charles Sparrow

            Not quite sure I get ur point.

          • C King

            50 years ago we wouldn’t be having this stupid discussion. We were much more united then as a nation. I need a flux capacitor.

          • Bob Ofenhagen

            Yep people were forced to say they believed in God, that they weren’t homosexuals, that women belonged in the kitchen, that black people and latinos were no good and lots of silly lies that made white straight christian men feel more comfortable. But even then people didn’t believe in God, there were homosexuals, women were capable of doing anything men could do, black people and latinos worked hard in hope for a better world for their kids. All that happened was that honesty became more possible.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Uh Bob, my dear fellow, don’t u know that the entitlement mentality of the Christian supremacist does not allow for anyone to be honest about and proud of who they r if they are different from the aforementioned?

          • cezzwho

            Nobody cares what you spend your money on. Put up all the billboards you want. We aren’t the ones that want evolution thrown out, it’s the “evoltionists” that want creation, the Bible, Nativity Scenes, etc. banned. Look at you! If you don’t get YOUR way, you will do this & that! Looks like you’ve become the thing you supposedly hate. Oppressive, arrogant, overbearing, offensive…

          • Eric

            Why do you feel so threatened? You must not be very secure in your beliefs.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Not threatened, just sick and tired of having religious superstition and mythology imposed on me at every turn by the arrogant, presumptuous, obnoxious, offensive Christian supremacists.

          • C King

            I feel exactly the same way about choice, (ABORTION RIGHTS) and LGBT garbage.

          • cezzwho

            Most of our colleges were founded as divinity schools, to preach the Bible. Our laws were built on Biblical precepts & are reflected by the fact our politicians are sworn in with their hands on a Bible, not The Origin of the Species or an Oscar Wilde writing. Our forefathers placed the Ten Commandments in our Court Houses & Moses holding the Ten Commandments is on our Supreme Court Bldg. You are the censors, revisionists and quite honestly, liars. So don’t tell me you are “good” or “care” about people. We need to know where we came from & what has made us the shining City on a Hill.

          • Bob Ofenhagen

            Our laws were not built on Biblical precepts. We didn’t need a book of fairy tales to know that killing and stealing were wrong. The first Democracy of any size was Athens where they certainly didn’t worship Yahweh and Jesus.

            If ever there was a Lie it is Religion.

          • Mercedes Silva

            There ARE other religions. Why do you only refer to Jesus? Even President Obama conceded that we are not only a Christian country any more. I think that if you are going to say you don’t believe in God you should include all the other gods out there that people worship and not just be offended by Jesus.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Righty-o. Religion is religion. All BS.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Careful there Bad Bob, u animal u. If u tell them the truth u r automatically attacking, persecuting, and denying them their religious freedoms and liberties, Oh, their screaming, somebody make it stop.

          • Rob

            Get a life Charles; you obviously want a sterile life without any standards or morays; that’s not America. Find that somewhere else.

          • Charles Sparrow

            This is the kind of presumptuousness, arrogant, and offensive mentality from the “christian Supremacist” that atheist finds vexing. Dictating to me how and what my life should be like. They assume their religious dogma (all based on fantasy and imagination) is the standard for everyone else. It is not. They think they have supreme authority to dictate to every one else they have to believe like them because the majority of America believes it. We do not. Touting Christianity and religion as a good influence is dishonest, since recent history just here in America proves how violent, bloody, and oppressive it’s been. The religious right fights the fact that dogma is being proven false and irrelevant and only pertains to the stone age where it originated from-and where it should have stayed. I like where I live. I owe no one anything for that. Anyone with a heart should feel shame about how the “Christian Supremacists” waved their bibles, slaughtered the Indians, stole their land, crushed their culture and spirit, enslaved and oppressed blacks to develop it and told them “U should thank us jesus and god”-all this done under Christianity-In their left hand, the banner of the prince of peace, in their right hand their loot basket and butcher knife. Much of what America claims to be is false and an illusion. Myself and millions of others proves that. We have been silent. But no more-and the courts say we are right.

          • Bob Ofenhagen

            Which of these did you mean?

            mo·ray
            Any of numerous chiefly tropical, brightly colored marine eels of the family Muraenidae that are ferocious fighters and commonly inhabit coral reefs.

            (Placename) a council area and historical county of NE Scotland: part of Grampian region from 1975 to 1996: mainly hilly, with the Cairngorm mountains in the S. Administrative centre: Elgin. Pop.: 86 940 (2001). Area: 2238 sq. km (874 sq. miles) Former name Elgin

        • CRShelton

          Well for one thing, elsewhere in this discussion you facetiously suggested that those who don’t believe should just go to work on Christmas. I would happily go to work and school that day, as well as have my mail delivered. Chess club will be canceled because it is held at the university. I’d happily tune into Jeopardy and my other regular Wednesday night programs but I suspect they won’t be on.

          At some point in the next three weeks I will say “Happy Holidays” and someone will lecture me for it. Everywhere I go for the next month I will hear auto-tuned pop-stars singing music that is hundreds of years old and accompanied by synthesized drums. My barista will be wearing a Santa Hat.

          At least I get to spend time with my family, though in many states we don’t count as one.

          Bah-Humbug.

          • C King

            There is choice in music programming available out there. I don’t listen to any of the new garbage Christmas ”music” myself. As for “family”, it’s what you make it. Who cares what others think. Just be happy you have a family. Merry Christmas to you and yours

          • CRShelton

            It’s a really nice thing you’ve done to extend family-hood to anybody who is happy. Can I go tell the Courts, Insurance Companies, and IRS that you said it doesn’t matter what they think, we’re a family? We don’t celebrate Christmas in my household, which I’ve made abundantly clear. When I know which holiday someone celebrates, I will specifically wish them a good one. When I don’t I say Happy Holidays. One thing I will never ever do is wish somebody holiday greetings for a specific holiday that I know they don’t celebrate.

          • C King

            You’ll have won your battle of gay-ness in this country soon. Quit beating a dead horse. Sorry if I offend, but, MERRY CHRISTmas

          • CRShelton

            You aren’t sorry. That was very deliberate and mean-spirited. Merry Christmas.

          • C King

            Merry Christmas is never mean-spirited.

          • CRShelton

            The content of the statement is irrelevant. The structure of the the conversation itself was mean-spirited. If somebody is clear that they find something offensive, and you have no good point to make by saying it but you say it anyway along with “Sorry, but…”, That is a mean-spirited way to communicate. You could say the nicest things in the world but if you are doing it specifically because you were just asked not to, then you not contributing anything to the conversation except ill-will.

          • C King

            Ok, you’re always going to be right, get the last word, whatever. Please do not reply as it clogs my e-mail with lousy spam

          • CRShelton

            Sorry but… “You always get the last word. Don’t say anything else!” doesn’t add up. You can easily change your E-mail settings on Disqus if you have gotten yourself into a conversation you aren’t interested in continuing.

          • Rob

            You obviously like forcing your views / opinions on others. I don’t know why Christians bother you so much. Seems a bit intolerant . . .

          • CRShelton

            This is an internet discussion forum. Nobody is forced to even read my opinions, let alone subscribe to them. However much of what I have said is simple fact or anecdotal and not opinion at all. Here is an example of the difference:

            Statement of opinion: It affects my life negatively when the mail is not delivered because of a religious holiday I don’t participate in.

            Statement of fact: “It affects my life when the mail is not delivered because of a religious holiday I don’t participate in.”

            Anecdotal: I feel my life is negatively affected when the mail is not delivered on religious holidays that I don’t participate in.

            Now, once you understand the difference can you point me to a specific statement of opinion that I have forced on anyone, in any way other than expressing it as my opinion? If you feel that merely saying “My opinion is…” is forcing it upon you, then there’s no conversation to be had.

            I’m happy to hear your opinions and respond to them, and no matter how hard you try you can’t force me to agree, I will have to do so of my own accord. I trust that you have the same self agency and I don’t see how anybody could be forced into anything simply by reading my words.

            As far as tolerance, we already went about this in another thread of this discussion, but I’m happy to lay the expiriment out again. Come to Boulder, CO and walk around town holding hands with a person the same sex as you but a different race, while wearing a T-shirt that says “Allahu Akbar”, in Arabic. Then go do the same thing in Montgomery, AL. Report back on whether the country’s least religious town or most religious town treats you with greater tolerance.

          • Rob

            May God truly bless you and yours during the Christmas season . . .

          • Bob Ofenhagen

            May Odin gather his hunting party in the sky above your home until you have time to paint the interior of the pagan temple in blood.

          • Rob

            I gather from you reply that faith is not a central part of your life. I know how it’s enriched my life beyond measure and I hope that you will come to know that power as well.

          • Bob Ofenhagen

            I suppose you believe in a goat herder’s 1000 year game of telephone followed by a goat herder’s 50-100 year game of telephone so perhaps you also believe that your last message wasn’t mean spirited too.

          • Sharon Kutz

            Bob, have you read the Bible? Just wondering.

          • CRShelton

            ‘The horse is almost dead so stop beating a dead horse’ is not a logical progression of ideas. I’ll stop fighting when it’s actually over, not when it’s soon to be over. When there are no longer religious institutions spending hundreds of millions of dollars trying to legislate morality, then I’ll happily hand over the bludgeon with great relief.

          • C King

            So it’s not enough to have changed public opinion politically, you feel it necessary to change the opinion of the churches as well ? I seriously hope you fail at that. I can walk away from people asking me to sign a paper wanting some sort of sexual equality or the right to kill unborn babies, but to ask churches, whose foundation is holy, to lower Gods standards to yours?? That’s a NO

          • CRShelton

            It is not enough at all to change people’s opinions. I want to change people’s circumstances. I want a better material reality for people who are being denied it based on ancient ideas of morality. I don’t care whether churches change their opinion or not. I only care whether it gets codified into law.

          • C King

            They aren’t ancient ideas. They are much more than that. Law as you speak of it has nothing to do with the church. Their laws you will never change

          • CRShelton

            They are ancient ideas. ‘Ancient’ history has a relatively well defined definition and it certainly includes the time of Christ. It starts at the beginning of recorded human history and stretches at least to the fall of Rome and some would say to the rise of Islam.

            It sounds like a good compromise to me though. The church gets to keep their law and I won’t try to change it, and they won’t try to change the Law that has nothing to do with them. They can enforce their laws inside their church walls, and outside the actual Law will be enforced.

          • Bob Ofenhagen

            And Happy Solstice (the real Holiday Christianity stole in it’s burn all the books and people who don’t agree with us revisionism).

          • cezzwho

            We have no problem with “Happy Holidays,” but this year, Christmas is now the only holiday (HOLY DAY) left. Chanakah came early & unlss you’re a white Elementary School teacher, you don’t celebrate Kwanzaa. We never wanted “Happy Holidays” banned, we just don’t want to be told we can’t say the traditional “Merry Christmas” & just point it back in your face as you poke HH into ours. Happy Holiday” is actually more religious than Merry Christmas holi-day meaning a holy day, set apart to God. He invented holidays to remember or memorialize great events such as Passover.

          • CRShelton

            You can say “We”, but there are many many believers who disagree with you and do take extreme issue with Happy Holidays. I have no problem acknowledging that religious holidays exist so the second part of your argument is not relevant.

          • APtfbgames Gibson

            F.Y.I. What year is it? How is it labeled?
            The year is 2013 A.D.
            Anno Domini – A.D., and Before Christ – B.C. ,are designations used to label or number years used with the Julian and Gregorian calendars. The term Anno Domini is Medieval Latin, translated as In the year of the Lord, and as in the year of Our Lord.

            Any questions?

      • rhodes autry

        yea, lets all believe what you wrote, and not believe it is because Atheists are scared to death to oppose Islam

        • Charles Sparrow

          Wrong-not afraid of Islam, u, or anybody.

          • Theresa Easley

            Sounds like you are.

        • Earlene Leonard

          they are scared to death of death because they are not really sure of what awaits them on the other side but we know…..

        • CRShelton

          Or you can believe it because there have been countless articles in the last 6 months about atheists attacking Islam. Sam Harris said that Islam, more than any other religion, resembles a death cult. Richard Dawkins said Roman Catholicism is the second most evil institution in the world, after Islam. Christopher Hitchens wrote a book called “God is not Great”, which despite what your personal persecution complex may tell you, is a direct reference to Islam.

      • Theresa Easley

        having a billboard saying “you know it’s a myth” is basically saying the Bible is trash. And no one is trying to invade anybody’s public or private lives.

        • CRShelton

          You can say it twice but it’s still hyperbole. Do you also think that saying the story of Jurassic Park is a fiction means the book is trash? I think the story depicted on the billboard is a myth, but I don’t think the bible is trash.

          Your theology revolves around a fuzzy and malleable use of language where words “mean” things they don’t say, but the billboard is clear and specific.

      • Kat

        You are mistaken. Allah and the Christian God are NOT the same God. One promotes peace and the other other violence. One wants you to willingly choose, the other demands that you convert. One allows one wife. The other allows multiple wives as well as concubines. One respects women, the other believes that a woman’s paradise is at the feet of their men. Definitely NOT the same God.

        • CRShelton

          Right. So as I said the two faiths disagree about the nature and characteristics of the Old Testament God, but not about the basic story. It’s the same entity, they just disagree about which prophet was given and taught the most “authoritative” instruction manual. You have not even addressed my argument except to confirm half of it.

          • Mercedes Silva

            Incorrect. The Koran and the Old Testament do not teach the same thing. You are misinformed and you are misleading others. How can you know anything about God? You don’t believe in God. Keep your ignorant statements to yourself. Tell us about being an atheist. You should know about that. I will respect what you say about atheism, respect what we say about God. Jesus and Allah are not the same to us Christians. The Koran and the Old Testament do not teach the same things. Don’t be so ignorant as to conclude because they have similarities that they are the same. They are not the same. Not for the Christian nor for the Muslim. That is truth.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Both are based on fantasy. It’s wonderful being an atheist, living in reality and not make believe la-la land.

          • Kat

            It is not the same entity. Where God says one thing, Islam says another. They want you to believe he is the same, and I’m sure that many of them believe they are the same God but they are not. Islam is the opposite of Christianity. For example, the Bible says:

            “I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee”. [Psalm 2:7]

            And again in Isaiah 9:6 it is written:
            For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

            He also says of himself in The book of Revelation that “I am alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. [Revelation 22:13]

            The Quran denies what is written about him:
            “He (Allah) is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. How can He have children when He has no wife? He created all things and He is the All-Knower of everything”. [Sura 6.101]

            If those in Islam believe that Jesus was a prophet of God (who is the creator of heaven and earth), then why don’t they believe either of them? If Islam is true then it makes God a liar.

          • CRShelton

            You are just saying that the two religions disagree about whether He had a son, or could have. That is a disagreement about the true nature of a single entity, or else it’s not a disagreement at all. You can’t have it both ways. If you think that you are right and they are wrong, then you admit that you are talking about the same thing.

          • Kat

            Yes and no, TWO religions…. Two DIFFERENT religions one of which is based on The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The other which takes his name and some of his deeds and in so many cases claims the exact opposite characteristics to the true God of creation.
            This is not just about whether Jesus is God or the son of God. This is about whether God is a liar or not. The Bible and the Koran say opposite things supposedly about the same diety. So if one is false he cannot be the one who is true. I cannot speak for others, nor will I attempt to. So when I say that the God of Creation is not the God of Islam I am saying that the God I worship, love, and want to obey, does not have the attributes of the god that the Koran describes.That god is in direct opposition to the God of the Hebrew/Christian scriptures.

          • CRShelton

            “If those in Islam believe that Jesus was a prophet of God (who is the creator of heaven and earth), then why don’t they believe either of them? If Islam is true then it makes God a liar.”

            The idea is that neither Jesus nor God lied, but through translation and other corruptions of language the words and messages delivered by Christ were altered by men. So God reached out to a new prophet to set the record straight. It implies that the Romans were liars, not God or Jesus.

        • Charles Sparrow

          They r imaginary-not real-they have that in common.

          • Kat

            If anyone refuses to investigate any situation that pertains to him or her then there will be no reason to complain about later consequences. Everything that exists testifies of a creator. A house does not magically appear from thin air. A child cannot be born without first being conceived, an apple cannot exist without the apple tree,the apple tree cannot exist without first being planted, and the same tree cannot be planted without shoots or seeds. Creation is everywhere we look and if a person refuses to see it then no amount of pleading will change his mind. So it would really be quite useless to argue about it. You have heard and rejected what you have heard. But have you really investigated the thing you reject? I don’t need the answer. That choice is entirely yours and yours alone.

          • Charles Sparrow

            If u don’t need the answer, why ask? There was nothing, then a creator appeared and created everything. Rediculous nonsense. A supposed, intelligent human being believing that. It’s a shame to see a brain wasted. It’s embarrassing to other human beings.

          • Kat

            I did not ask for my benefit. It was a question for you to think about. As I said, I don’t need an answer because it is your choice. And you’re right, it is a shame to see a brain wasted especially when it refuses to see what the eyes are showing it. Time and space were created for our benefit and God is not confined to either. He always was, is, and will be. One of my children could be angry with me and tell the world that she is motherless. The majority of the world could believe it but their disbelief would not change the fact that she is not, in fact, motherless.

          • Charles Sparrow

            When the eyes see something it registers in the brain as being real. If the eyes see nothing, yet the owner demands that the brain register that their is something there, it registers it under “imaginary”. god was, is and will be. That’s the kind of talk Jim Jones used when he told them to line up and drink poison koolaid, and they did it. Some people r dangerous.

          • Kat

            I’m not going to attempt to force my beliefs on you or anyone else. I share because I care. It’s like a person who has found something spectacular that he wants to share. Whether or not someone accepts anything of me or anyone else is their choice.
            You have a mind, a heart, a soul, longings, feelings, and desires that are your own. You have a choice. I have a choice. We all have a choice. And we are all permitted to make that choice. What right would I or anyone else have to demand that you make my choice? None. So be content with your choice. But if the time ever comes when you do wonder or you have doubts about what you have believed, then all you have to do is ask. Everything that is needed for the answers are in a book that you believe to be fiction. If that time ever comes, you can find the answers privately and without coercion.
            So I wish you a good life and though I don’t know you, I pray that God will open your eyes so that you can see him for who he is and not what people say he is.

          • Kat

            Oh, and one more thought. There is a huge difference between following a person and following Christ. Jim Jones was a person, any minister or preacher is just a person. I am only a person. A true Christian doesn’t follow other people, they commune with them, share with them, and learn with them. We follow Christ.

          • Charles Sparrow

            I am content with my choice and will never have doubts about it. Never.

          • Mercedes Silva

            God ALWAYS existed. He didn’t just appear.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Repeat something enough and u can make urself believe even ridiculous nonsense. Prove it.

          • Mercedes Silva

            Creation requires a Creator. Disprove it. LOL

          • Charles Sparrow

            U r trying to prove a negative . Burden is on u. I believe we r here and I can prove it. Prove what u believe.

          • Mercedes Silva

            LOL! You’re so funny! Prove there is no Creator! Prove something came from nothing! That takes a lot of faith! Can’t stop laughing! You’re hilarious! Thanks for making my day!

          • Charles Sparrow

            Ur trying to prove a negative, burden is on u. I believe we are here and I can prove it. What u believe-prove it. I’ll show u mine, but u got to show me ur’s.

      • Mercedes Silva

        CRShelton I respect your choice to be an atheist, however your response to justme is inaccurate. Allah and the Christian God are not and never will be the same. The Christian God as the word Christian implies is Jesus Christ. Christians revere and worship Him as God in the flesh. That is what we believe, so to equate Allah and Jesus is blaspheme to both Christians and Muslims alike. Please research our faith before you comment, then you can understand why Christianity is the only religion being targeted. Jesus did tell us that this would be a sign of the times and this persecution should come as no surprise to any any Christian. In fact we can expect things to get much worse. Regardless of this blatant discrimination and persecution, we will continue to pray for our enemies and bless those who persecute us.

        • Charles Sparrow

          Same tired old stuff from the Christian supremacist. When some one disagrees with them they luv to scream-attacking us, persecuting us, the bible said it would happen. YAWN. Christians have done more than their share of attacking and persecuting others. The yo-yo’s who wrote that nonsense in the bible knew exactly what would appeal to people, because people can always claim to be victims.

      • Mercedes Silva

        JESUS IS GOD. CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS GOD. MUSLIMS DO NOT BELIVE THAT. YOU CAN’T CHANGE ANYBODY’S THEOLOGY. CHRISTIANS BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD. JESUS AND ALLAH ARE NOT THE SAME. HOW WOULD KNOW ANYWAY? YOU ARE NEITHER MUSLIM NOR CHRISTIAN. STICK TO WHAT YOU BELIEVE. YOU ARE ATHEIST RIGHT? WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU CAN COMMENT ON WHAT ANYONE OF FAITH BELIEVES ABOUT GOD WHEN YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN GOD? ONE MORE TIME. REPEAT AFTER ME: CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS GOD. GET IT YET? CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS GOD. MUSLIMS DO NOT BELIEVE THIS. JESUS AND ALLAH ARE NOT THE SAME, NEITHER FOR THE CHRISTIAN NOR FOR THE MUSLIM. DEAL WITH IT. JESUS IS GOD.

        • Charles Sparrow

          Seeing the damage religion has done to humanity entitles any one who recognizes it to comment on it. Again u promote the Christian spuremacist mentality that u right and every other religion is wrong.

          • Kat

            Not every person who claims to be a Christian is in fact a Christian, nor does every church that claims to preach Christ actually preach Christ. Jesus taught faith,gentleness, love, respect, truth, and justice. He never ever sanctioned the killing or abuses that have been attributed to the Christian faith, in fact he specifically said that those who lived by the sword would die by the sword. Those who practice such things are not obeying Christ.

          • Charles Sparrow

            So? They are still religious people involved in and representing religion and the majority of them do what they want and hide behind a make believe (like everything about religion)veil of religious goodness. It’s disgusting and shameful. That’s religion.

          • Kat

            Really? Wow. So the people of a country whose King or president swears to do justice and then does the opposite and sends his soldiers to murder thousands of people. They are guilty of his crimes?

          • Charles Sparrow

            If they continue pledging allegiance to him and participating and going along with the group(just like religion), yes, Guilty. U ride with’em, U die with’em. Get in bed with dogs(religion), u get fleas. Don’t want fleas? Don’t get in bed with dogs. Simple.

          • Kat

            Enjoy your day Charles Sparrow. There are other things that require my attention.

      • Mercedes Silva

        I DO NOT CARE WHO DOESN’T AGREE WITH THE CHRISTIAN FAITH. I DON’T CARE THAT YOU BELIEVE IT’S ALL A MYTH. THAT IS NOT MY CONCERN. I DO CARE IF YOU MISREPRESENT WHAT WE BELIEVE. WE BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS GOD. OUR GOD IS JESUS CHRIST. WE BELIEVE THE NAZAREEN WAS GOD. WE BELIEVE HE WAS CRUCIFIED TO PAY FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD AND WE BELIEVE HE RESURRECTED ON THE THIRD DAY. WE BELIEVE HE ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN AND IS SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER AND WILL COME AGAIN IN GLORY TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD. IT’S NOT MY PROBLEM WHO DOESN’T BELIEVE THIS. BELIEVE LIFE WAS CREATED OUT OF NOTHING. BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BELIEVE. THAT’S YOUR CHOICE. I RESPECT YOUR CHOICE. BUT DO NOT MISLEAD PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT CHRISTIANS BELIEVE ABOUT CHRIST. YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT OF CHRIST, ALLAH OR ANY OTHER FAITH BECAUSE YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD. TALK ABOUT WHY YOU ARE AN ATHEIST. THAT WOULD AT LEAST BE INSIGHTFUL. I DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHY ATHEISTS DON’T BELIEVE IN GOD. TALK ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS. TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU ACTUALLY DO KNOW AND HAVE EXPERIENCED.

        • Charles Sparrow

          People who are zealous to the point of fanaticism type in all caps.

      • Craig Smith

        I call BS. They only attack Christianity because they know they will get targeted for a holy war if they open their pie-holes against the Muslims. And you say they don’t trash the Bible? I guess calling it a book of fairy tales used to control the masses is a compliment where you are from…

        • Mercedes Silva

          You know what really does bother me? CRShelton is an atheist and he has the unmitigated gaul to “teach” the Bible to a believer. Our entire faith is based on the Bible and an atheist is using it as reference. How ridiculous. How ironic. The lack of respect is repulsive. Then he says we are arrogant.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Respect should be reciprocal. Christian Supremacist should practice what they preach. Surely u won’t mind satan worshippers putting a display up at the capitol here in Fla. will u? U want them to respect ur beliefs, so surely u will reespect theirs won’t u, or does it boil down to Christianity is right and everything else is wrong?

        • Charles Sparrow

          We r not afraid of muslims any more than any other religious group. Bible-fairy tales? Closer to a ten cent comic book.

          • Craig Smith

            A 10 cent comic book could keep you amazed and busy for hours. Pretty colors and few words makes Charley a happy boy.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Like ur boy O’reilly. I’m just a simple guy!

          • Craig Smith

            I have never watched O’Reily, so I don’t understand your reference.

    • Beeta

      The reason they do not harass allah and Islam is they do not fear it. They know it is a myth but they know that there Is a God and he is Christ and that goes against the life they want to live.. one day they will regret it all when they stand before his holiness and are turned into hell for all they have done against God and denying him… The bible tells us in the end days this will happen. One of the signs that Christ return in near… Persecution has gone on for many hundreds of years in other countries that were not Christian countries but not in America.. America is a Christian Nation and the attack now coming to America is evidence Christ will return soon.. I am nothing without Christ and would not want to live without him. One day I will see him and live with him for all of eternity.. I pray everyone sees that Christ is the only way and receives him into their hearts and excepts his salvation that he gave to the world..

      • Charles Sparrow

        Beeta-Meds not working, r they?

        • Rob

          You’re fee to disagree Charles, berating Beeta for his beliefs is disgraceful.

          • Charles Sparrow

            A rant like that does indicate a diminished degree of mental health. Most bothersome is the Christian supremacists presumptuousness, arrogance, offensive entitlement mentality that every one should share their beliefs without question.

          • rhodes autry

            Actually you have it correct, the Believer’s position is supreme(albeit not by their own doing). You are incorrect if you think it is presumptuous or arrogant… those positions would preclude the other. Also you are correct in finding it offensive, since God is holy, anything unholy is offended by Him and vice versa. Entitlement is correct and incorrect… you probably mean entitlement as a negative mindset displayed by someone who is not deserving of some kind of rewards. However, from a believer’s perspective, entitlement is the expectation of an heir. The believer inherits all things because of what Christ has done for him… not because he / she deserves rewards. Finally the idea that everyone should share their beliefs without question is correct / incorrect. If you found a cure for cancer you would be wrong not to share it. Therefore the desire to share is a good thing. The qualifier “without question” sounds like an emotional statement. Jesus never upbraided anyone for questions. You may have been hurt by someone not allowing you to have questions, but I can assure you God welcomes questions and demands intellectual honesty at the same time.

          • Charles Sparrow

            The problem, my dear fellow is elementary. Ur perceived entitlement is to promote god. God does not exist. Pointless.

          • sonney

            Well put

          • Eric

            Again, you are an athiest supremacist and are a total hypocrite!

          • Charles Sparrow

            Really know how to flesh out and illustrate a thought, don’t u?

          • Dee

            Actually Charles, I’d say the diminished degree of mental health is on your part.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Let’s go to a psychologist. I’ll pay. U tell him ur story and I’ll tell him mine with the understanding that whoever he designates needs to be put in a mental institution, that person will comply. Pack ur bags for an extended stay.

          • Theresa Easley

            I hope you are not representative of all atheists…antagonistic, childish, belittling, etc.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Give what I get.

          • Rob

            Your hate-filled reply validates my point. You’re free to believe what you want; however, your methods need to curbed.

          • Charles Sparrow

            U r right-looked it up. Definition of truth has been changed to hate. Sheeesh.

          • Rob

            Truth as you see it can be presented in a logical, well-articulated way as part of a spirited dialogue. However, you seem to resort to bullying, name-calling, and throwing aspersions at those that disagree with you or for situations that make you uncomfortable.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Granted, my attempts at humor, which is the only rational way I know to respond when confronted with nonsense, may at times be found wanting. Have I humbled myself enough, or shall I grovel and beg.:-( ?

          • Rob

            There’s no need for any of that sir. Simply be respectful and avoid the look of one who is spiteful.

          • Charles Sparrow

            It’s not personal-it’s only business-lighten up for petes sake. I do chafe at that authoritative tone though. Is this when I’m suppose to start screaming ” u r attacking and persecuting me”? If not now, let me know when. I wouldn’t want to miss the opportunity because I have heard it so much from the Christian supremacist I want to try it out just to see how it feels. Got to see if it makes me feel like a victim as it apparently does for others.

          • Charles Sparrow

            U must admit a rant like that indicates a diminished degree of mental health. Most bothersome is the Christian supremacists presumptuousness, arrogance, offensive entitlement mentality that no one can disagree with them.

          • Eric

            “U” is not a word.

          • Charles Sparrow

            It’s like the claim of there being a god. ” It is so, because I say it is.” U r right. U is about as much of a word as ur claim in gods existence is true. Both claims r not true. It’s only make believe.

          • Dee

            Actually, fear of something you believe is non-existant indicates a greater level of diminished mental health.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Ain’t skeered, just offended.

          • Earlene Leonard

            how can you be offended by something you do not believe in….I don’t believe in santa clause but that doesn’t bother me a bit…

          • Charles Sparrow

            Read MarilynLaCourts post.

          • Mercedes Silva

            You can disagree all day long but you don’t have to insult anyone. I think some sports fans act like lunatics but I don’t go around insulting them and declaring that they must be insane because their actions seem very extreme for me. You are just intolerant of people of faith.

          • Charles Sparrow

            It’s ridiculous for anyone to assume they or their beliefs are somehow immune from criticism. Everything is an insult. Please. Grow up. If something is foolish nonsense, I’m going to say so. That is not an insult. Problem is the Christian supremacists can’t believe that anyone would dare to disagree with anything religious because they have been allowed to abuse the rest of us for so long without resistance. That is no longer a benefit of the privileged position they took for granted. They’ll just have to grin and bear it like we have had to do as they just assumed it was their right to reign over us just because of their faith

      • paulvalery

        You poor christians are so persecuted here in the US. There is an atheist gathering place on every corner, and not a church to be found. Politicians who believe in your god have NO chance of winning an election. Our money says IN NO GOD WE TRUST right on it. It must be a sign of the end times that you have been nearly wiped out in this country. But, that’s a good thing, right? You all look forward to the world ending don’t you?
        Disgusting.

        • Earlene Leonard

          we look forward to going to our eternal home to be for ever happy but we don’t want anyone to go to hell…we want all to repent and accept Christ as their Savior…it is a very easy thing to do…

          • Charles Sparrow

            So is going to a psychologist for therapy and medication. U should do it or maybe ur family can use the baker act and have u committed to a mental health institution.

      • robbiedobbs

        Did you know that the bible was written after the Greeks had developed the scientific method and the use of empirical evidence?? The bible was written hundreds of years after Jesus existed.

      • MarilynLaCourt

        Excise me. Atheist billboards do not differentiate between religions. They simply try to offer a refuge for non believers of all religions.

      • Earlene Leonard

        what a great reply beeta….God Bless you …I feel the same way..

        • Charles Sparrow

          Stop saying “god bless u”. It’s stupid. There is no god.

      • Mercedes Silva

        Amen Beeta!

    • Charles Sparrow

      justme-poor, poor, Christian supremacist. Pushback against their entitlement mentality is an attack. Puuuleeeease!:-(

      • justme

        Charles-poor poor a**wipe. There is no supremacy going on here. Just because I don’t believe in someone else’s religion doesn’t mean that I disagree with their RIGHT to practice that religion or believe what they want to believe. And I sure don’t mock and attack their choices and religion like u and these signs are doing

        • Charles Sparrow

          No supremacy? u must be kidding. Denial is such an ugly thing. 1 step in problem solving is to admit there is a problem. The smothering, insistent stranglehold religion has had on humanity for a couple thousand years. Tell’em u r an atheist, then see how that love thy neighbor spirit comes out. U’ll see their true colors. They have been allowed to get away with ruling the roost for too long. It’s over. It’s a new day cuz the worm has turned and they ain’t seen nuthin’ yet. It’s what they get for what they gave. Their chickens is comin’ home. Now we’ll see how they like sharing. Mocking? Spewing fantasy, superstitious nonsense, what do they expect, a professorship with tenure? It’s disagreeing-not attacking, although they have done their share of attacking non-believers all thru history. Practice? In their mind, homes and churches out of my face and they will never hear from me. But they won’t-They never have and they never will until the courts force them to. And we intend to see too it.

          • justme

            Wow. Better be careful before they get you for plagiarizing the race card. “we’re angry because of what was done way back in the day long before my time and u had nothing to do with it, but its still your fault.”

          • Charles Sparrow

            u cloak ur self in the mantle of the same ideology u claim “this country was founded on Christian principles”. It was founded by thieves, murderers, enslavers, and they have spent the last 237 years lying and denying it. The character of man does not change, only his circumstances. These Christian supremacists r no different today than they were back then. They have the same mentality. Don’t try ” oh I’m not like those”. Yes u r. u ride with’em u die with’em.” Christianity is not something to brag about-it’s something to be ashamed of. U drive a getaway car during a robbery and a murder occurs, ur guilty of murder too. U endorse christianity’s bloody history and hypocrisy. and u r guilty too.

          • Brandon Johns

            WRONG! Communism has killed more people than any type of government in the history of the world. All of these communist dictators were ATHEISTS.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Same tired ole commie rant. Fact, people with and without religion kill. Thing of it is though, only the religious wash the blood from their hands and go right back to church and lie about how holy they r. 1 group has probably killed as many as the other, but the devastation to civilization caused by religion-cannot be measured-oh the humanity-when does the hurting stop. We r not talking about gov.”s. We r talking about people who profess 1 thing, do the opposite and r such hypocrites they convince themselves it’s something to be proud of. It’s twisted. That’s disgusting. That’s religion

          • Brandon Johns

            Actually the christians you are talking about represent only about 1% of us. Most of us are good people. You are the one coming on here calling christians murderers and stuff. I am just correcting you as to the fact that atheism has much more blood on its hands.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Being a good person is worthless if u immerse urself in and claim to live by a belief system made up of superstition and lies. The facts of history designates Christianity murderous, not me. Wash the blood from their hands and go right back to church-u didn’t read my earlier post, or u just only want to see and read what appeals to u. Atheism has done the most killing. Prove it. Even if they did, they never claimed to be religious. U view things and speak from a mind fueled by zeal and fanaticism, infected and contaminated by the disease of religion. Go read ur bible and delude and fool urself some more. It’s ridiculous.

          • Brandon Johns

            Well aren’t you just a sweet person. Like I pointed out before, communism has killed more people than any type of government in the history of the world. Every single one of these dictators were atheists who killed Christians, clergymen, Buddhists, Jews, and all sorts of religious people. Many were thrown into hard labor camps simply for being caught practicing religion. Prove any of christianity as being lies and we will talk some more. Prove this world came out o f nothing. Otherwise I am washing my hands of you.

          • Charles Sparrow

            U can’t prove god exists, I can’t prove he doesn’t, but ur posts prove u should see a psychologist for therapy and medication.

          • justme

            It probably quits hurting when he pulls it out and u get up off ur hands and knees.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Sounds just like something jesus would say -ur heavenly father must be so proud. U’ve heard the song ” I see ur true colors shining thru”, haven’t u? Typical mouthy Christian supremacist operating behind a thin, thin, veil off false holier than thou. And this name calling. Learn that from jesus and the bible? U may pretend and lie to urself and get away with it, but not with me.

          • justme

            Ok dude. My bad….I knew better than to argue with an idiot but I took the bait.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Just make sure u remember every thing I said and spread the word to ur believer buddies in case they haven’t heard the good news. And there is this, “The difference between genius and stupidity is, genius has it’s limits”.

          • justme

            And trust me….you are definitely living proof! And by the way…what was it I was supposed to remember?

          • Charles Sparrow

            Living proof of genius. First thing u’ve got right. I new I could help, even the hopeless. Ya’ll cherry pick what u want to remember so do that and insert it in to the delusion, it should fit just fine.

          • justme

            Hey genius…I think the word you were lookin for was “knew” but thanks for proving my point.

          • Charles Sparrow

            I stand corrected. If ya got me, ya got me. I’ll never deny or ignore “REALITY and FACTS”.

          • rhodes autry

            your statement describes you I assume, or do you feel like an elitist that escapes this declaration…”The character of man does not change, only his circumstances.” <<<your words… This is describing you in other words… or just others with whom you disagree?

          • Charles Sparrow

            That’s right, my character never changes. I have never, do I now, or will I ever espouse an ideology that has a bloody history of violence and lying, like religion. U r the worst humanity has ever produced and been forced to endure. To see religion wiped off the face of the earth-I have a dream.

          • justme

            And I intend to win the lottery….lets see how well that works out for the both of us shall we?

          • Charles Sparrow

            We r winning in courts everyday-best get u head out of………the sand.

          • Brandon Johns

            Actually courts laugh you people out all of the time. FFRF are bullies who like to target small schools and places which has not enough funds to defend themselves. But they win anyway because courts are on the side of the constitution.

          • Brandon Johns

            Maybe you didn’t read that little part of the constitution that says “freedom OF religion.” If you want state atheism then move to North Korea or Cuba. God is real as this world could not have come out of nothing. This short, miserable life is not all there is. There is hope.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Ur empty, emotional, fanaticism fueled zeal proves ur mind has been infected and contaminated by the disease of religion.

          • Charles Sparrow

            No state atheism or state religion like we have now.

          • rhodes autry

            so what you are saying here is you have an agenda

          • Charles Sparrow

            Yeah, to get religion out of my face.

          • Eric

            Again, “U” is not a word.

          • Theresa Easley

            And we intend to fight atheists, too. It’s already been happening.

          • Charles Sparrow

            With what? Ur imagination where religion resides? Never bring a knife to a gun fight my dear.

        • Dave Burrier

          If you do not believe in some else’s religion, that means you are an Atheist. Funny how that works. And, the christian faith does in fact mock and attack other religions. It is printed right there in your bible. Read it lately?

          • rhodes autry

            why yes on page 12 it mocks Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus and whatever else you say… uh-huh, really… or was that page 13… maybe you can help me find that

      • Eric

        poor poor Athiest supremacist.

        • Charles Sparrow

          Sorry I forgot, only Christian supremacists r allowed to play that card because they r the only ones with any rights.

      • Dee

        Poor poor athiest, afraid of something he claims doesn’t exist.

        • Theresa Easley

          I know, right?! If God doesn’t exist then what are they so riled up and worried about?

          • Charles Sparrow

            U think u have the right to shove it on the rest of us. U don’t

        • Charles Sparrow

          Told ya. Ain’t skeered, just offended.

    • robbiedobbs

      Because Muslims aren’t trying to force their religion on others by way of the LAW. Christians in America continue to insist that god does and does not want certain things. HOW THE F*CK would anyone know what god wants?

      • justme

        Its called the bible idiot…and what land are u living in??? The Muslim religion calls for all people who do not believe in their religion to be wiped from the face of the earth…and on top of that sharia law is the law of the land in most Muslim countries. Wake up!

        • Charles Sparrow

          The bible is garbage made up of a collection of observations from stone age jagoffs. What’s muslims got to dso with billboards. Minimize fanatical ranting.

        • Charles Sparrow

          Ur the type to go to the guns if needed aren’t u? Shure u r. I can spot’em a mile away. We have that much in common-remember that. Just because I’m a liberal does not mean I am defenseless.

          • justme

            Well….now that u mention it. But were gonna just stick with the first ammendment issues here. But just for grins n giggles I will guarantee that mine is bigger so the hell with u and ur scary little threats.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Size don’t matter-it’s about resolve, baby, resolve.

          • justme

            That’s the lie that ur girl keeps tellin u to try to keep ur fragile pathetic manhood and ego from crumbling. And its really funny how u keep bringing up violence in Christianity but u jump so quickly to point out that u have a gun…..I’m from Texas dude…that little scare tactic don’t work on me.

          • Charles Sparrow

            It’s just that all the baptalibanatics named Cleetus McSkeeter from texanisstan led by ayatollah perry mistakenly think that liberals r push overs. Letti’n u know up front-we ain’t, so u won’t be able to say, ” I didn’t know, u should have warned me”. I have.

          • justme

            Well now that you’ve “warned” me I’ll be sure to start worrying at some point. I’m beginning to think it is you who are under the wishful assumption that we are pushovers. Hope that don’t come back to bite you in the ass later on fella.

          • Charles Sparrow

            U won’t be gettin’ no cherry as this ass has been bit plenty. See my new post about Mandela?

          • Theresa Easley

            Just means you are intolerant like most Libs.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Huh?

      • rhodes autry

        Maybe you should read more before commenting. http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-law.html

        • robbiedobbs

          pathetic. how many muslims actually practice this stuff? I guarantee Americna muslims do not.

        • Charles Sparrow

          Maybe u should try using logic and reason instead of reading observations from stone age jagofs compiled in a useless literary work=The bible.

      • Charles Sparrow

        They know what the rest of us needs cuz they r “Christian Supremacists”, Presumptuous arrogant, offensive, overbearing, haughty, boring……….etc..

      • Theresa Easley

        They just cut off people’s heads and set off bombs, No biggie. (sarc)

        • Charles Sparrow

          Christians treated Indians and blacks just as bad. Then washed the blood from their hands, went right back to church to lie about how holy they were. That is what is offensive.

      • Mercedes Silva

        We read the Bible. The Bible teaches us what God thinks and wants. This whole conversation is so evil. Hate on every side. Do atheists believe in good and evil? If so, without the Ten Commandments as a reference, how do you know what is good and what is evil and how can you distinguish the two? If we evolved out of nothing how can we have any morals? What is the standard of reference for morality in the atheist world?

        • robbiedobbs

          so you are saying if you didn’t have the ten commandments you would go out and kill people, and steal from then, and rape them? that is what you are implying.

          • Mercedes Silva

            Yes

          • robbiedobbs

            then you are insane. i never read the ten commandment BS and I have never done any of those things

          • Mercedes Silva

            Well, you need to define insane. I’m glad you are such a moral person. Good for you! I need Jesus!

          • Charles Sparrow

            If some people think they need jesus-fine. They think they have to force him on the rest of us by urinating and scratching to mark their territory on our courthouse lawn to put up a 10 comm. monument like it’s their private property and their personal religious billboard-it’s not, and we r offended by that. The zeal and fanaticism that is part of religious beliefs is not normal. Yet if I put up a sign for our local atheist group these same “love thy neighbor, do unto others, good god fearing Christians” would want to kill me. Now that, is insane!

          • Mercedes Silva

            I’ve never done any of those things either what does that prove? You are an innately moral person without any need for a point of reference. I am a a wretch who needs Jesus. Either way each of is obeying the Ten Commandments. I just admit I do and you attribute your morality to your own self worth. Does it matter? Neither one of us is killing, stealing, raping etc.

          • Mercedes Silva

            Insane? Really? Is that all you got? I’m disappointed.

          • Mercedes Silva

            Robbie maybe you never killed, raped or stole anything but your words are very hurtful. I never insulted you. Why would you insult me? Is that your way of “winning” an argument? I guess it’s a good way to get people to disengage from a discussion with you. I’m no exception. Your words are extremely offensive, unwarranted and unprovoked. You are simple minded and it’s a waste of time trying to exchange ides with you.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Religion in America (and other places) smothers out and stigmatizes any one who believes different. We r insulted and offended by that.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Andrea Yates drowned her 5 boys because she was afraid satan would get them, Jim Jones got 900 people to drink poison koolaid. I know this is out of the ordinary and these people were mentally ill, but I have noticed how religion is in many cases intertwined with this type of behavior. U should see some of the crazy signs people put up along the roads where I live. Religious rants, and psychobabble. In many case u see aberrant behavior from deeply religious people. Anthony Scalia said, ” the devil may not be possessing pigs bodies and making them run off cliffs but he is still around causing mischief. This idiot is on our SUPREME COURT. Clarence Thomas too. It’s terrifying that a nut like that is in that position.

          • Mercedes Silva

            You see that is exactly what I mean. The Ten Commandments are my point of reference. What is the point of reference for Atheists? All those things you mentioned are directly from the Ten Commandments. If you didn’t get them from the Ten Commandments where did you get them? Are you implying that we are born with the knowledge of good and evil? If we are why chose one over the other? Why be good and not evil? Why do some people choose good and others choose evil in your opinion?

          • robbiedobbs

            the point of reference? Why do you need a point of reference. but if i had one, I would say it come tens of thousands of years ago when people developed cognitive thought. Animals don’t have ten commandments, yet you dont see dolphins raping and killing each other, they merely eat fish and live their lives. you are a pathetic stain on the world. Your kids should be removed from you by social services. have you read the articles recently in the news how what you believe will soon become a documented mental illness.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Brain.

        • robbiedobbs

          I am an atheist, and I have never Raped or killed anyone. Maybe I stole a few bucks from my mothers wallet when I was in high school to get some cigarettes or something. But I felt bad and later told her, apologized, and paid her back. She of course forgave me. So you see, I dont need some stupid book to tell me how to act.

          • Mercedes Silva

            I respect that. However, you didn’t answer any of my questions.

          • Mercedes Silva

            I do. I need the Bible to teach me how to live because before i studied the Bible i was a really evil and pathetic person. I know that if i stray from it I will go back to being the same evil pathetic person. Also, I’m not the only one. The Bible is the number one best selling book of all time. Billions of people agree with me. The Bible has been around for thousands of years. I believe every word it says. Thank you for letting me share.

          • robbiedobbs

            guess you need a book cuz your husband aint doin somethin right in the bedroom eh

          • Charles Sparrow

            I used to read comic books too. I didn’t believe everything in them. Just because a lot of people are doing something does not give it any authenticity at all. Most people believe in god-see what I mean? The idea that “well everybody else believes it so it must be true”. Spend some time thinking (instead of wasting time praying) of how ridiculous that statement is. So sad and pathetic to know people reason like that. I doubt u were ever evil or pathetic. Just like the rest of us u experienced life. Apparently u saw u needed to improve your situation somehow and u knew this innately-before u ever read a bible. U were using ur brain. It never took absolute devotion to a make believe belief system to get us to stop dirtying our diapers, now did it?

        • Charles Sparrow

          Our brains.

    • Earlene Leonard

      they trash christianty because our God is the only one they fear….no one is scared of allah but the muslims. they will be so sorry when they see Him for real…

  • juan_valdez

    Not content with having the freedom to be believers, christians have plans to erect crosses to force their point of view on others.

    • justme

      There is a difference between forcing ur point of view on others and displaying ur beliefs.

      • Charles Sparrow

        justme-fine, do it at ur home and church. Take the 10 comm. monument off my courthouse lawn in Bronson, Levy County Fla. My courthouse is not a private religious billboard.

        • Rob

          I suggest all you Christian bashers work on Christmas since you disagree with the premise of the Messiah’s birth.

          • Charles Sparrow

            We r entitled to our beliefs just as u r. Disagreeing with the Christian supremacist is not allowed though is it?

          • justme

            Yes you are. The difference is we are not ranting and raving and putting up billboards against your choice to be an atheist. That is your choice and you get to deal with those consequences. No one is here bashing on you for your beliefs…..

          • Dave Burrier

            You may not have seen all the christian billboards all over the country, especially the south. Some of them say we are going to your hell. And as for ranting, raving, bashing, we certainly get more than our fair share. But that’s OK, we can handle it, knowing we are getting under the xians thin skin.

          • justme

            If you don’t believe in heaven and hell then what are ur panties all in a wad over??? I don’t get all pissed off when the jahovas witnesses come knocking on my door or when I see something promoting Islam.It is their right to freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

          • Dave Burrier

            How did you know I wore panties? Even my boy friend is not aware,,,yet.

          • justme

            Well that explains a lot……

          • Brandon Johns

            Churches are tax free because there is something called Separation of church and state in this country. You know what it is because you people have hijacked it and made it all about you. You atheists are so sad.

          • Brandon Johns

            You work holidays for the extra pay but you have no right to force others to work on Christmas. Joseph Stalin would have loved you.

          • CRShelton

            I can’t speak for Dave, but my panties are all wadded up because some people think it’s a sin for me to wear them in the first place. My knickers are in a knot over the countless abortion clinics that are being shuttered in exactly the states where they are most needed. My brassieer is in a bunch because in just this one online discussion I have been called ‘evil’, ‘a myth’, ‘stupid’, and I’ve been told I have blood on my hands, all by loving Christians. My Kimono is akimbo because my family isn’t legal in many states. It’s not the myths that piss me off, it’s the crusade to legislate morality.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Ur attempt to use reason and logic with a degree of intelligence is commendable but I have to tell u with my own limited ability in theses posts I have tried too. My friend, I fear our efforts r in vain. It goes in one ear and out the other. It’s like talking to a brick wall or the wind. It does not register with them. Something happens to the human mind when it becomes infected and contaminated with the disease of religion that it becomes permeated and clogged up with zeal and fanatical sludge preventing the firing of electrical impulses that r necessary for healthy brain activity. The organizer of our meetup group-Ocala Atheists receive via e-mail thru our meetup notification page, a long religious, rambling, fanatical rant from a woman who claimed to be well educated. It was frightening and mind boggling tha religious fanaticism could do something like that to the human mind. I wish some scientist would do a cat scan or MRI of their brain during one of those episodes. Hang in there-we r fighting the same fight as they hate us worse than they hate u, so I can relate. We would love to have the support of urself and anyone u know to help us in the fight hatred from the religious right at the FREEDOM FROM RELIGION FOUNDATION, AMERICAN ATHEISTS, ACLU etc. Religion-Together we can find the cure.

          • CRShelton

            Look mate, I appreciate your solidarity but you are absolutely right, your way isn’t working at all. First off, I really suggest you learn or take the effort to write more clearly. Mostly though, have no interest in the kind of “there must be something wrong with your brain” argument that you been filling the discussion with. I know we’re on the same side but your posts have been filled with really mean insults towards believers and I don’t wish to be a part of that. Many of them will feel personally insulted that I don’t believe in the first place, and others will take issue with and violently deny the facts I bring to the discussion, though they are just facts easily confirmed. In other words, the nature of the debate is personal, so I find it unproductively inflammatory to actually make personal attacks.

            And yeah, I really suggest learning to communicate with a little more finesse. Here the one ad hominem I will offer, you can decide if it’s an insult to you or “the other side”. I hadn’t even read your posts because your writing style made me assume you were a believer.

          • Charles Sparrow

            U deal ur way, and i’ll deal mine. Go ahead, try to reason with theses nuts-that’s exactly what they r and see how much good it does u. I don’t care what they believe and I’m not trying to change their mind because I know it’s useless. U can tell them over and over again to keep their religion in their Heads, homes, and churches and they act like they don’t hear u. It’s because they have had a stranglehold on humanity with their insanity and they have been allowed to get away with it and nobody has told them no. They think they can do exactly as they want and no one dares to tell them no. I DO. That’s it, plain and simple. There is nothing else to say. They can bite a hog in the behind for all I care.

          • CRShelton

            Ok then. I find your methods and language crass and ineffective. I’m not sure what you are doing here if you don’t care and have no hope.

          • Mercedes Silva

            Are you a writer? I don’t like or agree with anything you say but you do like to be creative with your writing.

          • Theresa Easley

            Real mature of you to purposely try to antagonize people. At least you are admitting to the fact that is all atheists are trying to do, is get under our skins, such a noble cause you guys have (sarc). We have pretty thick skins from having to deal with people like you.

          • rhodes autry

            you are welcome to disagree… actually you have no real choice but do it with intellect and dignity… not emotional rants

          • Dave Burrier

            It is not a messiahs birth date. It is a time for family, friends, community to come together for good will. As for me, an Atheist, I always work holidays for the extra pay.

          • rhodes autry

            why don’t you pick a different time?

          • CRShelton

            I would if I could, but it turns out a lot of businesses are going to be closed that particular Wednesday for a religious celebration I don’t participate in.

        • justme

          Freedom of speech moron. And this country was founded on Christian principles. That is not your courthouse…it is everyone’s you entitled prick.

          • Dave Burrier

            Settle down. Resorting to name calling discredits your post

          • Brandon Johns

            Go away commie and we won’t bother you anymore.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Eat up with it aren’t u? Oh well. Have fun in la la land.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Courthouse belongs to everyone-not a private religious billboard for the Christian supremacist who think they r they only ones who own it and can do as they please-they can’t. Ur “religious liberties r in ur mind, home, church, nothing more. U will no longer get away with using property that belongs to every one to advertise on or subject them to religious rituals at gov. functions or at gov. facilities that everyone else has to attend. Don’t start sputtering about founding fathers, tradition, culture, roots, heritage, values, principles. Nothing but trashy excuses to continue doing something wrong and promote the lie of religious goodness and hypocrisy. Religion and religious people r the most violent entities ever to infect and contaminate mankind. Religion has given us nothing but, conflict, strife, division and devastation. Good riddance.

          • justme

            My religious liberties are wherever the hell I want them to be!!! And by the way ur I’m fixing to ruin the surprise for you if you haven’t read too far ahead yet but your boyfriend wanted to let you know he wears panties.

          • Charles Sparrow

            I must admit, I can only aspire to ur level of intellectualism.

          • Brandon Johns

            Actually atheism has murdered more people. All of these communist dictators from Stalin down to Castro were atheists who forbade religious freedom in their countries and would imprison and murder people caught practicing religion. A good deal of those in Stalin’s gulags were clergymen. Communism has more blood on its hands than any type of government in the history of all humanity.

            Oh and if the courthouse belongs to everyone then it belongs to us too and we should be able to erect what we want. You think it only belongs to you.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Take some medicine. Anything. It has to be an improvement. Do u cry a lot when u r alone.

          • Jessica Hawke

            You sure complain about “christian supremacy” a lot while you promote atheist supremacy. Hypocrite much?

          • Charles Sparrow

            Never heard me say,” we have turned our back on atheism”, “our nation was founded on atheism”, “our country needs atheism”, ” we took atheism out of schools now look at all the school shootings”, “If u don’t accept atheism u’ll go to hell”. If this is the best u can do, go curl up in a dark corner and cry with Brandon so he won’t feel lonely. OH I fogot 1, “It’s freedom of atheism, not freedom from atheism.

          • rhodes autry

            you are contradicting yourself… you should go back and read your posts and rethink your position…eg ‘Take the 10 comm. monument off MY COURTHOUSE lawn in Bronson, Levy County Fla. MY COURTHOUSE is not a private religious billboard.’… and a few posts later… COURTHOUSE BELONGS TO EVERYONE-not a private religious billboard for the Christian … SO WHICH IS IT???

          • Charles Sparrow

            Manner of speech, it’s everyones, everybodys, mine, urs, theirs, them’s, we’uns, those’uns, they’uns. All u got?

          • Charles Sparrow

            That Christian mouth! jesus must be so proud. u’ve made my point.

        • Brandon Johns

          How is it hurting you? We don’t have to do it at our home and church. We can do it wherever we want. You are just horrible people.

          • Charles Sparrow

            No brandon , no. We r going to make u do it at ur home and church and u better get used to it. Would an atheist monument on ur church lawn hurt? U can’t put anything wherever u want to. We r calling the shots now. It’s our turn. On ur side u have god. We have the courts, laws, the constitution. Guess whose gonna win? Curl back up and start sobbing again.

          • Theresa Easley

            So delusional. We have been winning lawsuits, too. Bring it on!

          • Charles Sparrow

            U been listening to O’Reilly’s spin aint’cha? Best check ur facts. See I belong to the FREEDOM FROM RELIGION FOUNDATION, AMERICAN ATHEISTS, SECULAR COALITION FOR AMERICA, ACLU. I get daily updates on court cases and decisions. I came here knowing, not to learn-or to play either. Jackson ohio jesus school picture. Clergy housing tax allowance, and the list goes on and on and on to include lot’s of pending lawsuits to. We r bringing it. Simply put, religion-LOSING, atheist-WINNING!

        • rhodes autry

          unless you are paying ALL the taxes by yourself it is NOT your courthouse either… you need to call yourself a whaaaambulance

          • Charles Sparrow

            We all own it. No one can use it for a personal billboard, Ok? Put down the bong, step away from the key board and…………………….sheesh

    • rhodes autry

      oh my those old erected crosses have forced the pov on so many and damaged them… goodness… maybe the damaged ones should get a backbone and know what they believe then a symbol will not impose on them…

      • Charles Sparrow

        Have all the crosses u want-on ur own property. Spend less time crying about it and more time getting used to it. It’ll be easier for ya that way, besides, u have no choice.:-(

    • Theresa Easley

      That is a problem within you if a cross can all of a sudden turn you into a believer. Give me a break.

  • Lorraine Stuart

    the atheist are a myth…

    • Darrell Barker

      Merry Mythmas

      • Beeta

        To the atheist and Islam

      • Brandon Johns

        Merry CHRISTmas. There is hope and life after death for those who believe. You will find out some day.

        • Charles Sparrow

          Religious threats. Desperation. How sad.

    • Charles Sparrow

      Lorraine-The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has it’s limits.

      • Lorraine Stuart

        LOL

      • justme

        And you are living proof…..

    • robbiedobbs

      how? please explain

    • Charles Sparrow

      But god is real huh? Oooooooooooook…………whatever.

      • Lorraine Stuart

        I will pray for you and God forgives everyone.

        • Charles Sparrow

          Ah, the Christian supremacist. presuming to have the authority and capability to do things for others that they neither want or have asked for. U pray for me-i’ll think for u. No, better yet, i’ll cross my fingers, knock on wood or dance naked around a fire with a bone in my nose imploring my dead ancestors. That way we r even. U will have done nothing for me, and I will have done nothing for u. Don’t want u to feel like I owe u anything because I don’t. Fantasy, superstition, empty emotionalism vs. Reason, logic, reality. I know where i’ll place my bet. Oh, let me not forget to mention-god exists only in ur imagination, and u know it as well as I do. U know better, yet still u……….. well……….that, cannot be forgiven. Ur choice.

          • Lorraine Stuart

            Again i will pray for you, you will need it. I am sorry for you and know someday you will change your tune.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Arrogance does not become u.

          • Lorraine Stuart

            And your ignorance does not become you.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Telling some one u r going to perform a useless superstitious ritual like prayer is ignorant and arrogant and presumptuous, and offensive and obnoxious and haughty and unwanted and intrusive and overbearing and bothersome and ridiculous, whew!

          • Lorraine Stuart

            You need it. Someone got to pray for you since you are not smart enough to do it yourself. Like i said you will eat those words someday.

          • Charles Sparrow

            U should eat some medication, and not one day, NOW!. (R u sure u r not just a lonely girl chatting me up for casual sex?). I will screw a lonely woman, but not one that is mentally ill from the disease of religion

          • Lorraine Stuart

            LOL… you are really a sick person. I have seen allot in my life but not the likes of you. That is one thing you will learn, Christians forgive and i forgive you. God Bless and have a Merry Christmas.

          • Charles Sparrow

            I told u you to quit saying god bless. God does not exist. U believe in fairy tales. U r mentally ill. Christians don’t forgive-they hate. Ur stone age fantasy demands it.

          • Charles Sparrow

            If that’s ur picture u don’t look too bad. Maybe a good hard screwing is what u need and would do u some good. Want my e-mail address?

          • Lorraine Stuart

            I am going to report you. thanks for your name.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Go right ahead nutcase-What they gonna do? Cut short my young life? Now to presumptuous, arrogant, offensive, u can add, small minded (evident), petty and vindictive. Shows how bragging about ur forgiveness (like ur religious goodness) is just a lie. U proved me right. See what I mean u “LOVE THEY NEIGHBOR, GOOD GOD FEARING, TURN THE OTHER CHEEK, CHRISTIAN SUPREMACIST”? The beliefs u profess r a joke and a bunch of trash and u know it. That’s what ur mad about. Don’t take it out on me because u have chosen to devote ur life to foolish beliefs. U did that to ur self and u have only urself to blame. Live with it. U can have my e-mail, phone, address and anything else that will help u in ur petty little “Christian” tirade. I could care less.

  • Rob

    I find it very interesting that the video interview in Judy’s home shows a Christmas tree, Peanuts Wise Men, and stockings on the mantle. So I guess they celebrate Christmas but believe it’s godless. What phonies . . .

    • KS

      If it is just a myth, why work so hard to convince people?

      • Brandon Johns

        Look at the ones on this very board. Guys like Charles Spurrow is making sure everyone knows that he believes there is no God and that others shouldn’t believe either. No doubt this site is contrary to Mr. Spurrows’ own political beliefs, but he sure spends a lot of time on here. I don’t go to sites I disagree with.

        • Charles Sparrow

          Whoever heard of going only to sites where everyone agrees with u. I don’t care what u believe, just stop going to any length to make me aware of it. Keep it to urself.

          • Theresa Easley

            Obviously you do care what we believe because you are on this site and are trying hard to convince us we are wrong in our beliefs.

          • Charles Sparrow

            For the tenth time. Yes u r nuts, but I don’t care. Just keep it to ur self.

      • Charles Sparrow

        See post to sobbing Brandon.

  • Richard Lewis

    I just have to laugh at atheists. They claim they are not threatened by the idea of deity because they don’t believe in it. Yet they behave like people who are so threatened by it that they set out to destroy this idea that they say they don’t believe in. If they are so confident that there is no God, why not show your confidence and stop showing all those who do believe in God that you are so scared. Believe there is no God. That’s your personal conviction. Why waste your time trying to convince others in the same way you claim those who believe in God evangelize others? You claim that those who believe force their views on others. Yet, you employ the same methods. Ah…but therein lies the hypocrisy that you point the finger at believers with, touting their hypocrisy against them and with an agenda that is obvious to anyone. You can’t stand to live in a world that doesn’t think just like you! You can’t stand the diversity of it. Well, you are wasting your time, because the world isn’t going to conform to any of us. And…you’re right…you’re all alone because that’s the corner you painted yourself into. Alone!

    • Charles Sparrow

      Bottom line- keep ur religion in ur mind, home and church and u’ll never hear from atheists. Do it not-and we’ll make u do it. U don’t like that do u? Makes that faith based hate lurking just under the skin boil don’t it? Cuz u can’t have ur way anymore. I suggest u practice-not having ur way any more-u’ll get used to it and the courts r backing us up. Ur free ride is over. Not wasting our time, and look up all the many secular organizations to see if we r alone. Trust me-we ain’t, and our numbers r increasing everyday while religion is crumbling because humanity finally sees it for what it is, superstitious, fantasy and a cover fro the most hateful and violent hypocrites in the world.

      • Brandon Johns

        Courts are backing you up only when it has to do with government property. They are not wiping religious freedom off the constitution like you want. Atheists are actually declining in this country. What is increasing is the “nones” which includes agnostics, deists, and those who may believe in God but doesn’t like organized religion. It is sad that you have to go cry to courts to strip us of our religious rights. I know one man who would have loved you and his name was Joseph Stalin. Mao Tse Sung would have loved you too.

        • Charles Sparrow

          If the court says what u have been doing is unconstitutional, it never was a right was it? And yes both Stalin and Mao knew how dangerous religion is. Andrew Jackson on ur $20 bill was a murdering piece of trash-why don’t u mention him? And Atheist ,Shmatheists, the important thing is, religion is declining. As long as that is happening our future prospects for humanity should improve.

      • justme

        Trust me….u ain’t gonna keep me from doing anything…but if it makes u feel better u can keep telling urself that.

        • Charles Sparrow

          We been doin it, and we gone do it some more.

          • Richard Lewis

            Charles can’t help himself. He’s just not anal retentive any more. Sounds like he ate a bad oyster.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Some contribution there. Like daddy use to say “I can show u better than I can tell u”. He meant it. So do I. I bet justme understands.

          • justme

            Not in this lifetime bub…. I guarantee it.

          • Charles Sparrow

            When and if the time comes, we’ll just have to see now, won’t we?

          • justme

            Yeah yeah and if ur aunt had a piece then she would be ur uncle……

          • Charles Sparrow

            In case there exists some substance there i’ll look……..looking……….looking…………..looking

          • justme

            Since comprehension seems to not be ur strong suit I will clear it up and just tell ya that that was a reference to ur big “if”. But it ain’t gonna happen anyways so sorry about ur luck.

          • Charles Sparrow

            Problems comprehending-maybe. Recognizing BS-expert.

          • Theresa Easley

            And we are going to keep fighting you atheists more.

      • Theresa Easley

        We are not alone, either, and are fighting atheists and winning, too.

        • Charles Sparrow

          Got it bad don’tcha. U handle snakes, speak in tongues much?

    • CRShelton

      I don’t fear Him, because I don’t believe in him. But I believe in the idea of a Him, and I am very threatened by it. I have had bones broken by believers who could find no room for my existence in their holy book, but God has never laid a finger on me.

      I can handle all kinds of diversity, despite what you say. Walk down the street holding hands with your boyfriend who is a different race than you, while wearing an Arabic phrase on your shirt. Try it in the least religious place you can find and then in the most religious place you can find. Report back on who handles diversity the best, if you survive the second half of the experiment.

  • Brandon Johns

    Atheists are evil people. That is all there is to say about them.

    • Charles Sparrow

      U meant Christian supremacists I believe. Brilliant comment, just Brilliant.

  • robbiedobbs

    If god was real, he would have struck them down. RIght? Well guess what, IT IS A MYTH. That’s why innocent children die every day, because god isn’t real and if he is then he sure doesn’t give a f*ck about innocent children.

    • justme

      Oh yeah….ur back. I was really hoping u were in one of those Chinese prisons learning to say yes daddy in their native tongue. Please do us all a favor and stay in China for the rest of your pathetic life.

      • robbiedobbs

        so if god is real, why do innocent children get raped, murdered, etc???

      • Charles Sparrow

        ‘Murica, if u don’t like it well, well , u kin just, just leave, so, so there. Sounds like an ignorant baptalibanatic from alabamastan named Cleetus McSkeeter.

    • Theresa Easley

      Bad things happen sometimes. He has given people the choice to follow good or evil. Some people choose to do evil.

      • Dave Burrier

        I presume you include all the god fearing people in your generic statement.

  • rhodes autry

    Atheists are so revealing in their rebellion of the truth. They do not rebel against Islam because it is not the TRUTH. They do not rebel against any other belief system because their issue is not with religion it is with the TRUTH. Atheism is a religion as well… it is a belief system which is built on philosophical presuppositions, which in turn precipitates a world view. Religion is a construct of man whereby he is convinced that his system appeases the deity or principle entity. Atheism takes the position that the adherents know there exists no deity, therefore logically they would have to be omniscient themselves in order to have such knowledge. Through this belief in self deification they appease their God or Principle Entity, which would be themselves.

    • Brandon Johns

      Look at how many of them are all over this board. They are so desperate to tell people that there is no God that they have spent considerable amount of time on a site which probably doesn’t even reflect their own political beliefs. They say we Christians are thin-skinned, but look at them.

      • Charles Sparrow

        Is hard to post while sobbing uncontrollably? U poor thing.

        • Theresa Easley

          Lame. Is that all you’ve got? you are the ones crying on here…”Boo hoo..the mean christians are always picking on us and trying to convert us.’

          • Charles Sparrow

            U and Brandon should curl up, hold and comfort each other while u sob in frustration. Bring lots of Kleenex.

    • Charles Sparrow

      It’s true isn’t it? Marijuana is a lot stronger than it used to be. And yes, we believe in ourselves because we r REAL. Never tire of embarrassing urselves do u?

  • sonney

    Why is she celebrating Christmas then. Doesn’t she know that is the day we celebrate Christ Birthday! Christmas is not about getting and receiving gifts it is the time that we think of our Lord and thank him for giving us the sacrifice that he did on the Cross. For God so loved the world he gave his on begotten Son that who so ever believed in him shall not die but have everlasting life. This is what Christmas is all about.

    • Charles Sparrow

      Quoting the bible give u a lot of credibility. Sheesh

  • Dee

    I just want to know…..why are Athiests so afraid of something they don’t believe exists? Why don’t they just go on with their lives in disbelief and let those of us who do believe do it in peace? They claim God is a myth, but why are they so afraid of Him?

    • Dave Burrier

      You should be aware of what your religious right is doing in to our country and it’s people. Passing legislation to restrict women’s rights, gay rights, and affordable health care. Trying to dominate all other religions and the non-religious in so many ways. Churches and clergy refuse to pay their fair share of taxes, putting more of a burden on everyone else. So while we do not fear individuals, we fear religion and we will never have peace as long as this is going on.

      • Theresa Easley

        So protecting a defenseless unborn baby is bad? How sad you think that way. The healthcare is not affordable and many people have been hurt by Obamacare…but that’s fine and dandy with you.

        • Dave Burrier

          You did not mention gay rights. Hows come?