Carney forced to admit WH knew Americans could not keep healthcare plans

President Obama has repeatedly promised that Americans could keep their health care plan when Obamacare takes effect, but White House press secretary Jay Carney was forced to admit Monday that the statement isn’t entirely true.

Once again, Fox News’ Ed Henry held Carney’s feet to the fire, asking direct questions about Obama’s marketing of the Affordable Care Act.

“The president, when he was trying to get the law passed, repeatedly said, if you currently have health insurance, you will be able to keep your plan,” Henry said. “This morning David Axelrod was pressed on that point and said the majority – the vast majority – will be able to keep their plans. He no longer works at the White House. From that podium, will you admit that when president said, ‘If you have a plan, you’ll get to keep it,’ that that was not true?”

Carney said the president had maintained all along that the law would bring changes to the minimum standards of health care. But after rambling on, he finally admitted the truth.

“So it’s true there are existing health care plans on the individual market that do not meet those minimum standards and, therefore, do not qualify for the Affordable Care Act,” Carney said.

Watch the exchange here:

H/T: The Weekly Standard

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  • robertdavidhummel

    To be clear, every Democrat signing on to Shaheen’s letter must answer whether or not they also support delaying the tax penalty. And if they do, why did they oppose it as recently as three weeks ago, choosing instead to shutdown the government rather than consider the policy they now are rushing to support?

    • SkippyFlipjack

      The spin that “Democrats chose to shut down the government” has been disavowed by everyone, including the Republicans who forced the shutdown and ended up regretting it. Just stop it, it makes you sound uninformed and kind of dishonest.

      • John Craig

        The GOP hasn’t regretted it! Once the train wreck starts on Jan. 1, 2014 and is legal on March 31, 2014, the democrats and republicans who voted for ACA will regret it! They will be voted out, if they are up for re-election!!!

        • SkippyFlipjack

          Of course they regretted it. They played chicken with our government and economy and lost. They were willing to do anything to stop ACA and they lost.

          • Mlsflt

            You ask Robert to stop, it is making him look uninformed. You should heed your own advice Skippy. Only 17% of the Government was shut down, all non-essential. If they never came back to work, our Government would continue day to day operations as normal. They tried to get Democrats to pass bills that would have put every single Government worker back to work and leave the ACA to be discussed, Democrats refused, at this point, the Democrats became responsible for the so called “shutdown”

          • SkippyFlipjack

            I can’t believe people actually believe this stuff. Either the GOP went to the mat for you, or they didn’t. They can’t force a shutdown out of principle and then somehow have it be the Democrats’ fault for not rolling over. You guys are like third graders on this — you wanted the GOP to say “Eat a bug or I’ll punch you. Haha, he ate a bug! Bug-eater!” Well the Democrats didn’t eat a bug and you didn’t punch them. You lost this round. Accept it.

      • robertdavidhummel

        Skippy…….Just because you can’t THINK PAST your Liberal/Socialist NOSE…..”the facts are”….. Both the POTUS and his partner Harry Reid…..REFUSED to NEGOTIATE….Prior to the SHUTDOWN. The Republicans did employ many means for REASON to negotiate…..while the OPPOSING Democrats coninued their FAILED LEADERSHIP….The POTUS could NEGOTIATE with ENEMIES from IRAN….But REFUSED to NEGOTIATE with the HOUSE….AGAIN FAILED LEADERSHIP…..Period
        PS: I know a dog named Skippy …that is more understanding than you.

        • SkippyFlipjack

          I guess this issue means a lot to you, judging by all the all-caps. You don’t like Obamacare, right? Then you should give credit to your Republican members of congress who used every bit of leverage at their disposal to try to force the Democrats to repeal or defund the law. It didn’t work but they gave it their all.

          • robertdavidhummel

            out of the Kindnesss of closing the gap with some form of clarity….you teach me well….”I can’t fix Stupid…never got near enough to you for the DUCT TAPE to take Hold….
            SKIPPY….”YOU WIN on WORDS….YOU LOOSE on Wisdom”….eg….Much like the POTUS. ” Your Words are PLENTIFUL….your Deeds are DISASTEROUS”…..SAVE YOUR ENERGY…”TRY TO USE YOUR MIND and conserve your WINE(Koolaide , if you like)….I have simmarily exceeded your comprehension ability….So I’LL REST MY CASE…and Haste no more WASTE”

          • SkippyFlipjack

            You’re right, my comprehension meets its match at “simmarily”.

          • robertdavidhummel

            last and final comment to your word game….”you are undoubtable the epitomy of ECREATNISH PRODOGIES…..NOw Go Look that up in your Funken Waganal

          • SkippyFlipjack

            I guess you’re being funny with spelling. Regardless, the Democrats still didn’t cause the shutdown, and you’re just buying the Republican spin that even they’ve stopped trying to promote.

        • Laura Simonds

          They refused to negotiate A LAW that was already in place. The GOP had no business, whatsoever, to try and put that as a budget constraint.

      • Ben Schaumberg

        Ok Mr. misinformed the republicans did not want obamacare because it is bullshit! I hope everyone in your family losses their insurance, and their jobs because of this crap, then maybe you will see the light of day. And the only bullies responsible for the shut down are the democrats who refused to budge until the Republicans caved in and gave their sorry asses what they wanted. Which will in fact cause the economy to get mush worse.

      • DMJo

        Please explain the professionally-made signs that were on the national parks and national sites that were closed. The signs said, “Closed due to government shutdown”.
        It takes months for the government to purchase anything, which proves that someone in the Obama administration was planning on a shutdown.

        • SkippyFlipjack

          LOL! I kind of love the Tea Party, that they can come up with and even believe this stuff. Then they say they don’t trust the media. Pure comedy.

  • Mindmech

    Once a liar, always a liar. this who my grandma warned me about.

  • SkippyFlipjack

    Here’s a more honest description: Insurance companies that offered plans that didn’t meet minimum ACA coverage are adjusting those plans to meet the standards and are rolling current users into the new plans which, because of the better coverage, can cost more than the previous plan. The provider networks are generally staying the same though, which means that people get to keep their doctors, which is far more important than whether you’ve got the $10 or $15 copay. In addition, forced plan-switching was already a staple of insurance companies, so this just means things are staying the same, not that they’re getting worse.

    • Helen Gierke

      Skippy, tell that to the patients of the 10,000 doctors dropped by United in Connecticut, or the 300,000 Blue Cross insured in Florida who were dropped from the company. The new lists of “approved providers” is much smaller and lower quality physicians, fewer specialists, etc. I DO NOT NEED maternity or contraceptive coverage. Why should I have to pay for it?

      • SkippyFlipjack

        Every single person who buys insurance for anything pays for things they don’t need. It’s how insurance works. Nobody has ever been able to pick and choose which disease, accident or condition that they think they might suffer someday when buying insurance.

        In terms of 300,000 being dropped from Blue Cross altogether with no option to join another plan, do you have a link to that story?

        • Helen Gierke

          “in some cases” “By all accounts” What was the source of that article? Also, maternity coverage has been an “optional coverage” in insurance as long as I can remember (which is 60 yrs+). Yes, you did get to pick and choose.

          • SkippyFlipjack

            I was doing your research. If you have a better source please share.

        • CallMeAnn

          That is not entirely true. I had a plan that did not cover maternity or birth control. As I said, I am 53, post menopausal and have had my tubes tied for 22 years. My insurance went up 80% and when I looked for a better plan on the website, every one of them had a higher deductible and my current one is already high. 5000.00. But I had a low premium and it covered everything after the 5000.00, no 80/20, That’s all gone, now.

        • CallMeAnn

          “especially after the inclusion of federal subsidies for those who qualify.” More hidden results. Many many people don’t qualify. My husband makes good money but we have twins in college and my mom has Alzheimer’s and lives with us, so I only work part time. Do we qualify? NO! So my insurance is still 80% more or with a 20% higher deductible. Congress does get a subsidy, though, and when those nasty Republicans tried to have it removed as part of the shut-down fight, Harry Reid and your president wouldn’t go for it.

          • SkippyFlipjack

            *Our* president.

            And the Republicans didn’t try to get the subsidy removed, they tried to preserve it (John Boehner’s emails have been made public and demonstrate this fact.) I don’t have a problem with that though; most people who get coverage through an employer get some percentage of their insurance subsidized, I don’t think congressional staffers should be any different.

          • D’Rhonda Leigh Wallace

            So you are just not accurate. One of the CRs put through by the house that Harry Reid refused to allow a vote on in the Senate was to remove the exemption. (I don’t care if Boehner emailed Reid and he wanted it. And the emails were leaked by Reid by the way…The American people are the ones who contacted Congress and got their representatives to change). The exemption was guarantee that Congress and staffers would not lose their job paid insurance and that they would receive a 72% subsidy to take care of any increases. This President is also not using ACA!

          • SkippyFlipjack

            I don’t know why it matters who leaked the emails that showed that Boehner was fighting hard for the subsidies. Either way I don’t care because I think they’re justified. And the GOP does deserve credit for one thing — they were the ones who introduced the idea that congressional reps and their staffers should have to get their health insurance from the exchanges. They thought Dems would balk and look bad, but the Dems called their bluff.

          • D’Rhonda Leigh Wallace

            What are you talking about. The Democrats just didn’t vote on it. Doesn’t constitute a bluff. They were all up in arms about it. A lot of the GOP have given up their subsidies and exception and are doing the exchange because that is the law at the moment. When Pelosi, Reid and a few others were asked if they would join their friends across the aisles they said NO WAY. And now there is a delay (too short) and many Democrats who are up for election are calling for a year delay…Exactly why the government was shut down. Do you know how many of the CRs where voted on in the Senate that the House passed……………….That number would be ZERO. Reid would not allow a vote. And it does matter who leaked those emails.(if it had been the other way a round Boehner would have been asked to resign)

          • SkippyFlipjack

            The bluff part was back when the ACA law was being written. But whatever, I don’t care to argue about this — I think it’s fine that congressional staffers, like most employees, get some of their health premium covered by their employers.

          • Mlsflt

            So someone puts the facts out there in a manner you can’t tip-toe around and you all of the sudden are not interested in arguing about it? Are you kidding me? You put your irons in the fire when you commented repeatedly about this with other people commenting. Along comes someone that makes their point and it is irrefutable and you just bow out, feigning interest, lol, why do you bother to comment? Oh and by the way, the staffers and employees weren’t getting some of their premium’s covered, they were going to get most if not all of it covered, hence the uproar. What do you do for an encore? Come out and accuse all of us of being racist’s? So far you are a textbook Lib, arrogant, condescending and I’ll informed, not that it matters to you.

          • SkippyFlipjack

            Right, and many non-government businesses cover most of the cost of insurance premiums. That’s why I think it’s fine for congress to have the same benefit, and why I won’t bother to argue about who thought of it and who fought against it.

          • Joseph Oliver

            Many cover most and that’s why you think blah blah. Comment after comment it’s all the same.

          • Joseph Oliver

            He’s making all the arguments about his opinion. He doesn’t mind, he doesn’t care, so what he’s happy with this or that. Controlling the narrative is a Lib hallmark, it goes clear on back to Marx.

          • Zeda

            They will be covered by you and me…knucklehead! Personally I do not like it….

          • SkippyFlipjack

            Well.. technically yes, but that’s true about every government employee at every level of federal, state and local government. Seems a little unfair to single out the staffers of congresspeople.

          • Zeda

            Skippy, many of those people are making a hell of a lot more money than I am or many others for that matter. As Richard said (just below) it needs to be equal to
            ALL!…FYI…that means…ALL…no ifs, and, buts or exceptions about it, including the potus! If your going on the whole “Let make it FAIR” rhetoric then let’s be FAIR. You know, it is people like you that fuels their beliefs that we are all idiots.

          • SkippyFlipjack

            It’s wrong that healthcare is tied to employment (though to a lesser extent with the advent of ACA) but since that’s the system we’ve got, why should those employed by the government not get health benefits like people in most other jobs? I think forcing Congress to be on the exchanges is a silly stunt that, as I said before, was the result of some gamesmanship on the part of legislators. I like it in theory — based on the idea that they’ll write better legislation if it applies to them — but not in practice because as you say, things should be equal, and exempting certain people in government from benefits enjoyed by others (including many if not most other industries) seems wrong.

          • Richard Lawler

            Are you kidding me getting the subsidies removed was what it was all about. Many said if it’s not equal for all then we need to remove the it and make it for all.

          • SkippyFlipjack

            I’m not even sure what you’re saying.

          • Mlsflt

            He is your President, I and many others did not vote for him, I do not recognize him and do not respect him. The recent transgressions should have him impeached. He has broken his oath of Office repeatedly. Spare us the Bush did this or that BS, I know it is coming, it is the only thing your type can come up with. Why can’t you see things for what they are, Your President lied to get your vote. You bought into these lies and now it has become obvious to everyone but the most staunch kool-aid drinkers, that Obama is a liar and has lied about everything he said to get elected. CNN, MSNBC, NPR, etc etc are all calling out Obama and are angry over this debacle. You, still defend him. Your defense of him completely erodes any credibility you have.

          • Chuck Bump

            I don’t qualify for partial assistance because I make too little money as I’m burning through my savings. I’m refered to my state’s medicade (Az) but they no longer cover single individuals. (Oh, yeah and I’m dropped after twenty years with Blue Cross)
            “Spain that one to me, Skippy”

        • JJBuck

          Sorry, Skippy, but not true. I own a small business and in the past we waived the maternity coverages (UHC) because we’re all beyond child-bearing years. And people are NOT getting rolled into better plans: they’re getting plans with higher premiums, lower coverage, and higher deductibles…co-pays are just a red herring for the uninformed. I have several small business friends who got “the letter” of cancellation from Blue and your contention is simply not the case. Again: higher premiums, lower and/or unneeded coverage and higher deductibles, without exception. That’s just real world, not Kool-Aid land. I own multiple buildings with numerous and varied medical tenants and they’re all predicting one common thing: we ‘re headed to concierge medicine, and medicaid patients will have very little choice as to providers because the doctors will simply not see a medicaid patient for mandated $26, the newly-mandated reimbursement rate. I think we all want the same thing, but this plan as it exists is a disaster. Time to “reset.” Maybe we should bring everyone into the discussion this time?

          • SkippyFlipjack

            Everyone was in the discussion; the GOP didn’t want to do anything to fix the real problems that plague our system (pre-existing condition exceptions for example — they have no solution for this, except if you count Romney’s plan which became Obamacare.)

            In terms of the changes to people’s policies, you’re probably right, there’s not enough real data yet to know whether plans are generally going up or down and what the real coverage is; the system is too opaque to get real understanding, so all we have is anecdotal data. I’ll limit my point to this: It’s not true that people’s coverage is being cancelled. Insurance companies are doing exactly what they’ve been doing for years — moving people to different plans which are often more expensive. We’ll see in time what the real impact is nationwide. Here in California I can get comparable coverage on the ACA exchange for 30% less than I’m paying now.

          • D’Rhonda Leigh Wallace

            Again just not accurate. The GOP were not allowed into the discussions and anything they tried to give them was virtually ignored. This bill was passed while 61% of the American people opposed it and without a single Republican vote. This bill was also passed by what is called a sneak bill. That is were the House initiates an unrelated bill it is passed and sent to the Senate. The Senate then guts it and puts in their stuff (using the same bill number) they pass it and send to the President. I am also from California and I have great insurance and I am keeping it because I have had it for 20 years I can keep my doctor (I have pre-existing coverage…always have and it cost just a few dollars more) My rates more than doubled. I was forced to a 80/20 from a 90/10 and my deductible doubled.

          • SkippyFlipjack

            You have the facts wrong. If the Senate changes anything substantial it has to go to committee where they work out the differences; there’s no “sneak bill”. The House and Senate passed separate ACA bills but with Scott Brown’s election the Dems realized that the bill that had just passed the Senate was the only one that would pass (now that they lacked a filibuster-proof majority) so the House put together a bill that was close enough to the Senate’s that they could work out the conflicts in committee. The House passed the Senate bill and Obama signed it.

          • D’Rhonda Leigh Wallace

            Again inaccurate There is a sneak bill and that is how this was passed. It HAS to originate from the House…and yes I left out a step it did pass the house and was passed by the majority party with all republicans and 34 Democrats NAY. But the original bill was unrelated and the Senate gutted it stuffed it with the ACA and passed it.

          • SkippyFlipjack

            Revenue bills have to originate in the House. Yes the Senate repurposed another bill but the House still had to vote on it. Everyone got a chance to vote for the final bill.

          • D’Rhonda Leigh Wallace

            YES AND NOT ONE REPUBLICAN VOTED YEA! NOT ONE!

          • SkippyFlipjack

            Well, right, they were dead set against giving Obama a signature accomplishment so they stayed unified in the vote count, even though a few of them would have voted for it on its merit. That’s politics, it’s all about appearances. Everyone in Washington plays the same game.

          • robertdavidhummel

            Then go get that CHEAPER Health insurance ….and SHUT UP.

          • JJBuck

            I am not a republican, but an independent who is fiscally conservative. Yes, insurance policies do change, but nothing of this magnitude would be happening without ACA being the catalyst. And sorry, but there were not less than 157 amendments offered by the GOP in the original ACA legislation that the dems would not even bring to a committee vote in the then, democratically-controlled congress. There are, indeed, components of the ACA that everyone welcomes, but they would fit on probably less than three pages, not the 2,000+ pages of regulatory gibberish, much of it as yet undetermined (they are literally making it up as they go along) that I have yet to meet anyone who can decipher even part of it, and I have a lot of friends, clients, tenants, etc., in various medical disciplines.The irony of this was that we were just beginning to have a national conversation about health care when Pelosi/Reed, et al, crammed this monstrosity down our collective throats so they could realize the short-term political gain of having a sound byte saying they reformed health care. Well, they reformed health care alright, but I think any rational person would be at a loss to conclude this system is for the better. Again, looks like we were right in opposing the structure of this specific piece of legislation, not the notion of providing broad-based health care for all as Obama is continually prone to exaggerate (we conservatives are also known to kill babies and starve the elderly). Maybe, just maybe, we should have given the private sector one more [regulated] go at this before going down this camouflaged ultimately single-payer plan by allowing cross-state policy sales, lowering malpractice judgments (it has already worked in Florida and Texas), exchanges and government subsidies for those with pre-existing conditions, although I grate at the notion of subsidizing health care for those that choose to make sedentary lifestyles and fast food as their lifestyle and main dietary staple. Why is it that the liberals just cannot admit that this is plan was not well thought out and is nothing short of a disaster? We need a “reset.”

          • SkippyFlipjack

            You know what? I’m tired of rehashing two years of complex negotiations about the healthcare legislation. Fine, the Democrats went at it alone, shut the Republicans out completely, wouldn’t even talk to them in the lunchroom for a year. They worked out the differences on their side of the aisle and passed a law. Want to change it? Win some elections and change it, and stop whining about how the GOP, the so-called daddy party, the tough-on-defense, strong-on-crime, pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps party, couldn’t get any widdle amendments in the bill because the mean Democrats wouldn’t let them. Win some elections, change policy. That’s how it works.

          • D’Rhonda Leigh Wallace

            You are so wrong yet again. This was started over 60 years ago by the Democrat party President Truman Proposed Health care for all. And Congress (don’t which side you are on) has stopped listening to the people because even back when this was voted on the American people were 54% AGAINST. Now it is in the low 70%’s.I have a suggestion for you. Do some research and stop listen to the liberal talking points. I am neither Republican or Democrat.I research and educate my self and then I am able to make an informed independent decision. I have a favorite quote. it goes like this, “When society become sheep they beget a government of wolves”. Stop following your party and educate yourself. If you are a Troll Well done cause you earned your money today but now good luck sleeping with all the rhetoric you spew!

          • SkippyFlipjack

            Note that many of those polled don’t like the ACA because it’s not a single-payer (aka: SOCIALISM!) system, and in general people like the individual components when polled about each of them. And did you see the recent poll where 8% more Republicans liked the Affordable Care Act than Obamacare?

            I don’t follow my party, I’m an issue guy. I have seen firsthand how awful the health insurance system is. Our financial health and physical health is beholden to big corporations whose goal is to only insure those who are unlikely to cost them money. I worked for an insurance company in California which has had special non-profit status for decades despite operating as an extremely profitable for-profit entity. I’m not anti-corporation or fault them their ability to make money, I just think it’s morally wrong that they get to decide who gets care and who doesn’t, who gets insurance and who doesn’t. I have to structure my work life around insurance because of a pre-existing condition in my family. Is that freedom? The ACA is not perfect but it’s the best that could be done in this climate. If the GOP had a better plan I’d support them. If they had a plan to prevent corporations from denying insurance to the people who most need it I’d support their plan. But they didn’t, and don’t. So, I’m an ACA guy, warts and all.

          • D’Rhonda Leigh Wallace

            First of all the ACA and Obamacare are the same thing. Second of all I have a preexisting condition and I had no problem finding insurance that was affordable and worked for me. Insurance is not a God given right. Breathing is but not insurance. If you want insurance do what they majority of us do work and get it. NONE of the GOP’s ideas where even looked at. NONE! They were not allowed at the table for discussion and everything they put forward was disregarded without even being discussed.Single payer doesn’t work unless you are young and healthy. I was a nurse for over 20 years and I saw people from England and Canada coming here for treatment like bone marrow transplants and open heart surgeries because they were not covered. If you look at the constitution it is not the governments job to assist in social programs. It is not their right! And as a tax payer I DON’T WANT TO PAY FOR YOUR HEALTHCARE! Hospitals were taken over in the 80′s by financial institutes. They have destroyed what medicine was. I was there I saw it happen. I want to be in charge of my healthcare and my decisions. I don’t need the government making decisions for me. I am an adult and I take full responsibility for my actions and decisions. I don’t want the government to be responsible for me. That is AMERICAN and what is happening now is ANTI-AMERICAN and socialism. No thanks!
            Oh and by the way it is not a requirement that non-profits not make a profit. The main requirement is that they service humanity. They are allowed to pay their staff and make a profit. If you have ever had a job you would know that your boss had money or he couldn’t have paid you. It is not evil to make a profit. It is evil however to condemn the very people who are creating jobs and paying people so they can live.

          • SkippyFlipjack

            “First of all the ACA and Obamacare are the same thing.”

            Um.. I know. That’s why the poll is illuminating. Many people react to the name, not the actual legislation.

            If you have insurance you’re already paying for other people’s healthcare. If you pay taxes you’re already paying for other people’s healthcare. You’re not in charge of your healthcare if you have health insurance; the insurance company is in charge, paying for whatever they feel like paying for.

            You say that none of the GOP’s ideas were looked at. OK, which idea of theirs addressed the pre-existing condition thing? You say you were able to get insurance, but you know that many people are not. So, what great (but ignored) idea did they have to address this problem?

            “It is evil to condemn the people who are creating jobs..” — Are you serious? Really? “Evil” to hold companies accountable if they do bad things? Wow.

          • Ben Schaumberg

            And in a few years, once the train wreck has come full circle, you will be waiting months just to see your doctor, and if you come down with cancer, my suggestion is, to save you and your family the pain and suffering, to go out back, dig a grave, stand with your back to it, and shoot yourself. because you will not be seeing a cancer doctor in time to even think about trying to get treatment to save your life.

          • Ben Schaumberg

            And just like Massachusetts, it a FUCKING TRAIN WRECK!

          • JJBuck

            There was nothing complex about it, Skippy. Democrats decided they know what’s better for everyone and this is what big government socialism feels like.,…guess we’ll have to get used to it because I woke up on November 9th 2012 realizing I was surrounded by 63 million of the dumbest freakin people on the planet. A disaster is a disaster, no matter where it happens.

          • Mlsflt

            And here he again, can’t win his argument so he becomes an arrogant, obnoxious little child. People wonder why we are so divided, here it is, laying at our feet, people like this guy. It is obvious he hates the Republican Party, wants to revel in the fact Dem’s won two elections, wants to rub it in people’s faces and get his kicks instead of having meaningful dialogue. He want’s a one party system, thats rather apparent and he will defend this Administration to the end. Everyone might as well stop trying to chat with the guy, he is obviously beyond reason and is here to get his digs in and incite others.

          • SkippyFlipjack

            It’s not about winning, it’s about not arguing about something stupid like who got to put what input into what legislation, when what really matters is how the legislation affects you and I, and how we would do things differently. Much of what Congress does is for show — it’s professional wrestling, designed to get people arguing one way or another.

            Want meaningful dialog? Here. In the previous system, a single serious illness could be expensive enough to bankrupt the average person. Insurance can manage that (yay!), but when a person has a pre-existing condition, sometimes seemingly trivial ones, insurance companies can simply deny them the insurance that they want and, frankly, need. Do you agree that this is a bad system, where companies can deny anyone the ability to keep medical care affordable? If you agree, how would you fix this problem?

          • Ben Schaumberg

            Not to mention, he is a complete idiot.

          • Ben Schaumberg

            And it’s a FUCKING TRAIN WRECK! in Massachusetts. I know several people who live their and are in the health ins,. business.

          • David Allan Kappeler
          • SkippyFlipjack

            I live in CA and read Deb Saunders a lot; she’s, as she says, the token conservative at the Chronicle and can be counted on to publish whatever is the GOP line at the moment. So, of course her husband quotes her in saying that a half million Californians “lost” their coverage, rather than saying that they were transferred to other plans or that they could do better on the exchanges. As I said earlier I have good employer coverage but could get the same coverage for 30% less on the California exchange if I left my job.

            Note the quote that “by law providers must cancel non-grandfathered individual policies.” That’s deceptive — it’s important to add that it’s the “junk” plans that must be cancelled, the ones that don’t meet the ACA’s minimum standards of coverage.

            So, I read your article. Did you read the LA Times article I posted above?

          • Ben Schaumberg

            Ok I just figured this clown out. He lives in California, he a democunt tree hugger, who can’t stand that one on the top ten presidents, Reagan, came from California, and now he is pissed. Well I’m here to say I would be too.,If I were that ignorant.

          • Joseph Oliver

            You’re really dragging these bones around? I didn’t vote for Romney but his plan did not become Obamacare. I’m certain ideas were borrowed from it and we could say Obamacare was based off of Romney’s plan but the two are not the same. Now your ilk are going to blame Romney when the ACA falls flat on it’s face.

          • SkippyFlipjack

            If you want to prevent insurance companies from rejecting people with a higher likelihood of becoming sick, you need to grow the pool and dilute risk. One mechanism for this is a mandate that everyone buy insurance or pay a fine. That is a foundational aspect of the ACA, it was foundational in Romney’s plan, and it’s one of the things people on the right had the biggest problem with because it meant the death of freedom or something. (It’s actually an argument I find somewhat compelling, though without the histrionics.) So it’s not like little bits and pieces were borrowed from Romney’s plan — the basics of the whole concept were used. (And it wasn’t exactly a Romney idea — it was originally proposed by the conservative Heritage Foundation in 1989.)

            Will people blame problems with ACA on Romney? Probably some, because you can find someone to say anything, but they’d be dumb.

          • Joseph Oliver

            Using very broad strokes a comparison between the plans can certainly be made. Romneycare (since you named it specifically) was designed with the demographics of Mass. in mind. It was designed for Mass. and was implemented in Mass with all sorts of resistance expected in Mass. Unless your saying the ACA was copied from that exact plan then lets not make that direct comparison.

            I disliked the ACA when I heard the President pulled lots of wool over lots of eyes to get it passed and lied a whole hell of a lot in the process. Now that it’s here I really hope it works. I hope I have been wrong because the math befuddled me or something. But if the whole mess blows up, if unemployment shoots through the roof as is predicted, if more businesses close and the so called recovering economy tanks again. Lots of people are going to be very sorry. If it tanks, Washington will try and force it to ‘fit’ with oodles of new regulations and other laws.

            You mentioned Freedom. Freedom did get beat up by all this, Liberty much more so. People can say all if fine and neither principal took a hit but those who do are parroting others with agendas other than those stated.

          • Jack Bone

            Hey, idiot. There is a difference between a state plan and a federal plan. Are you too stupid to see the difference between state sovereignty and the federal government?

          • Jack Bone
        • Richard Lawler

          Skippy you are so wrong! We got drop and then offer from the same company a new insurances plan that will cost us over $4000 more a year. To the point my doctor for over 15 years is now not on that plan. Wake up and understand that the ACA bill is killing the middle class to support those who don’t work and don’t want to work because they are getting free Obama money as one said. I am going to get some Obama money why work….

    • Tired O’Libs

      Now you’re the one that sounds uninformed and kind of dishonest! Spin it some place else! A turd is a turd!!

    • John Craig

      Yea, rolling over plans that are 200 to 300% higher, but are no better than what they were in 2013. You need to check your facts from people who actually got these letters from their insurance companies, rather than read it off a liberal report!!!!!!

      • SkippyFlipjack

        200 to 300% higher. I’m calling BS. Prove it.

        • Mlsflt

          Who are you to demand proof? You have made claim after claim that was patently wrong and you have offered no proof.

        • Steven DePriest

          You are either a moron, never listen to the evening news, never read a report in a paper, or all the above. I’ll do a google search for you and PROVE the 200-300% increase is REAL.

          1.) RATE SHOCK: Obamacare causing 539% increase in health insurance costs for Texans (Infowars.com 10-29-13)
          Obamacare is named the “Affordable Care Act,” after all, and the President promised the rates would be “as low as a phone bill.” But I just received a confirmed letter from a friend in Texas showing a 539% rate increase on an existing policy that’s been in good standing for years.

          As the letter reveals, the cost for this couple’s policy under Humana is increasing from $212.10 per month to $1,356.60 per month. (Go to the website and see the letter from Humana.)

          2.)One of them is George Schwab of Charlotte, who pays $228 a month for
          his family’s $10,000 deductible plan from Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina.

          In a Sept. 23 letter, Blue Cross notified him that his current plan doesn’t meet benefit requirements outlined in the Affordable Care Act and suggested a comparable plan for $1,208 a month – $980 more than he now pays.

          3.) Study: Insurance costs to soar under Obamacare ( MoneyWatch 09-26-13)

          These differences mean men will get hammered in North Carolina with an
          average 305 percent rate hike, while women will suffer in Nebraska, paying an average of 237 percent more. For most people, subsidies in the law will not counteract the rate shock, says co-author of the study Avik Roy, a health care expert and senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute.

          • SkippyFlipjack

            What matters is average increases for comparable plans after subsidy adjustments. A full study on this is not yet available, so there’s no point in arguing about it, but you can be guaranteed that these “2-300%” increases are outliers suffered by people like those previously paying $228 for an entire family. (By the way, Infowars.com also thinks the FBI was behind both the Oklahoma City and Boston Marathon bombings. It’s not actual news, it’s the Weekly World News. Alex Jones makes $millions each year writing BS conspiracy theories. So, cite them at your peril — they’re basically professional liars.)

          • Steven DePriest

            So what if Infowars says the moon is made of cheese. How does that change the copy of the letter they show? Look at the letter and decide for yourself

            If the NYT said that Obama is a Communist Muslim, would you not at least look to see their proof or just poo-poo the idea because well, what do they know.

            What about the other sites? What about the other 205 million hits from google for this search: People receiving huge increase in cost of their healthcare. You just want to nitpick. Go ahead, ignore the other thousands of stories.

            Nothing shown to you will change your mind because you aren’t going to look at proof because it makes you look foolish in something you believe in.

            You can make all the excuses you want, but the TRUTH is that millions of people are losing their insurance due to the restrictions legislated by Obamacare. The law says that just one change makes their current policy void. Why?
            Now it is being reported that unions won’t be losing their insurance coverage regardless of the changes made. Obamcare takes care of them but not the individual. WHY
            Obama can make any change he wants in Obamacare and no one says anything. We are told Obama loves the little guy, but he isn’t helping them now. If he has the power to grant waivers to each little group he favors, he can grant every person who has insurance they like to keep their insurance REGARDLESS of any changes.

            Who should have the authority to make me pay for a policy that covers things I don’t need? At 65 years old, why do I need a policy that covers maternity, pediatric care, and other things I have no need for??

          • SkippyFlipjack

            I’m pretty sure that Infowars has indeed reported that the moon is made of green cheese.

            What will change my mind is data. I believe that some people will see higher monthly insurance bills, like someone who was paying $238/month for his family (which is 20% of what I pay for my family.) At some point we’ll find out these numbers: the average change in premiums (including subsidy offsets), the number of additional people with insurance, how those numbers compare to historic pricing (which was rising continuously long before the ACA.) That analysis is what matters, not anecdotal data about some guy whose bills went up.

            Here’s the important thing though: People are being transitioned to different plans which are often more expensive. Their policies are not being cancelled. That’s a different thing, and reporting the latter without the former is dishonest.

            ps: congress makes laws, not the president.

          • Zeda

            Are you serious? He can either sign them or veto them at any time…man you are really all up his…

          • SkippyFlipjack

            Right, that gives him significant leverage, but not the ability to ‘make any change in obamacare he wants’, ‘grant waivers to every little group he favors,’ etc

          • Jack Bone

            It’s funny you liberals bounce around like rubber balls. So, Congress cannot defund laws, according to you all, but they have all the power is making laws. lol

          • Steven DePriest

            Congress does the write the laws, and as Chief Executive, the President is charged by the Constitution, to faithfully execute those laws. What the President should not be allowed to do is ignore the ones he dislikes and only execute the ones he does. He also should not be allowed to change them as he sees fit (i.e. make exemptions for Congress or other special groups who aren’t exempted by statute).

            Your new car insurance policy, that you had for 10 years is going from $200.00 a month to $600.00 a month, and the deductible increases from $2,000 to $8,000. You call your agent and ask, “what’s going on” and the agent tells you that “there is a new law and that the reason the cost is rising is that this is the new threshold, by law, for auto insurance”. Your agent also tells you “he is not going to be your agent anymore because the new law is too restrictive and doesn’t allow him to work people more than 30 hours a week due to the changes in the law and he can’t keep people working for less than 40 hours a week.” He tells you to call a new insurance company. You call the new agent, “I’ll sell my cars, and buy a horse” and he says “Go ahead, but there will be a penalty assessed to you by the IRS if you don’t have the coverage, even if you don’t have an automobile.”

            Your neighbor, who works for GM and is the local union rep asks you why you are selling your cars. You tell him and then he tells you that his union was exempt from the law and his policy only went up 3%. So, does this match the President saying that most policies will cost $2,500 a year less?

            You can say that the policy wasn’t cancelled and that they are being “transitioned” (the same term Senator Mary Landrieu used) to a “better” policy, but if that policy and the limits associated with it are no longer available, then the policy was “cancelled” by the company. Call it discontinued, cancelled, or terminated, the end result is the same.

            It certainly is a long way from, “If you like your policy, you can keep your policy. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.”

          • Jack Bone

            You are really uneducated. The insurance companies are taking full advantage of this. They are in the business to make money. And your president put them front and center in this Obamacare disaster. The insurance companies are not raising the rates based on expanded coverage. They are raising rates based on the 10 year average of making a profit, because they know once the policies are under Obamacare, they cannot kick people off. Why don’t you get into the business of insurance before you open your big ignorant mouth.

          • Jack Bone

            You are wasting your time with this idiot. He cannot debate.

    • Jack Bone

      You are by far the biggest idiot on this board. Even for an egg sucking dog liberal, you are stupid.

  • CallMeAnn

    So I, a 53 year old post menopausal woman who had a tubal ligation 22 years ago have to pay for maternity coverage?

    • Beverly Voyles Purser

      yep

    • lila

      Ditto!

    • Chuck Bump

      I’m a 62 year old man who had a vesectomy 20 years ago and I have to pay for maternaty leave? And birth control?

  • John Craig

    Skippyflapjack must be a Jay Carney screen name, sounds just like he is reading a report written by Sebellius!

  • Diane Badget

    What a moron – a $10,000 deductible is MY annual limit and I have to swallow it?

  • Freeman1776

    Can you say “doubletalk”?

  • Brandon Johns

    I love how most of the media has ignored this. That stupid Wendy Davis abortion crap made the headlines instead. NBC was the only one who reported on this.

  • craig

    All the democrat politicians and liberal press just want to come back next year (keep their jobs) NO ONE IS STILL ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TRUTHS AND LIES STATED TO GET THIS HEALTHCARE LAW PASSED ORIGINALLY …just wait till democrats start paying in over and above what they did previously …then the real squealing will begin soon…democrats thought only republicans would be the ones subsidizing the healthcare law .

  • Darla Calia

    If its so much better why don’t the assholes exempt from it want it? Because it SUCKS that’s why!