Confederate flag along I-95 ignites battle

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Photo Credit: Peter Bacque – Richmond Times-Dispatch

A Confederate battle flag was raised over Interstate 95 in Chesterfield, Va., on Saturday, despite the opposition of some who insist the banner is a symbol of slavery and bigotry.

The Virginia Flaggers, a heritage group, celebrated the raising of the 15-by-15-foot flag from the Army of Northern Virginia, saying the ceremony was not intended to offend anyone, but to honor the South’s dead in the Civil War, according to the Washington Post.

“The reason why we’re here is to honor the soldier,” James Thompson told the Post. “We don’t see it as a slavery issue.”

Thompson, 50, a Civil War re-enactor wearing a slouch hat and a rough wool uniform, said his ancestors fought for the South.

The Confederate flag, which still evokes strong emotions in the South, is on privately owned land that was donated so the flag could be flown near I-95, where it can be viewed by tens of thousands of people daily, the Post reported.

“You can’t stop them from raising their flag, but you can drown it out with better speech: an American flag,” Richmond, Va., attorney Brian Cannon told Fox News.

Cannon, who helped spearhead a protest against the decision to fly the flag, added that the city already has many memorials to the Confederate cause, including statues honoring Southern military leaders Robert E. Lee and Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson.

The opponents have gathered nearly 24,000 signatures on an online petition opposing the flag being displayed.

The Chesterfield County Board of Supervisors has said there is little it can do about the flag because it is located on private property, Fox News said.

Despite the controversy, this is not a first-time occurrence. A Confederate flag has flown near Tampa, Fla., visible by motorists on Interstates 4 and 75, since 2008. The site is home to the Confederate Veterans Memorial, established by the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

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  • Jeff Walker

    I think this would be a wonderful opportunity to pause for a moment and give thanks for the many great contributions of the Black community and their culture to our society. Their peaceful and generous nature make them ideal neighbors, lending testimony to their exceptional family values and parenting skills unrivaled by any other culture.

    Their commitment to academic excellence enriches our schools and serves as an example to all who hope to achieve prominence as a people. Real Estate values are fueled by the influx of African Americans into an area due to their caring and respectful nurturing of these communities, an example of all they have achieved by their enthusiasm for self improvement through hard work and a self-reliant can-do nature. Without their industrious and creative drive, we would be poorer as a nation.

    Presently enriching the cities of Spokane WA, Chicago IL, Philadelphia PA, Washington D.C., St. Louis MO, New Orleans LA, Los Angeles CA, Baltimore MD, Pontiac MI, Gary Ind., Newark NJ, Cleveland OH, Atlanta GA, Richmond VA, Memphis Tn, Birmingham AL, Camden NJ; and let’s not forget Detroit, the tourism capital of the world!

    • Randy Mantz

      LOL! :) Love it!

      • Jeff Walker

        Please copy and paste as much as you can….If it comes up that “you already made that comment”…take out or add a word or punctuation mark. Pass this on to friends and ask them to do the same. Thanks.

        • silentnomore

          Private property! Nuff said!

          • Jeff Walker

            No Please pass it on…

    • disqus_Ao3LmdU11e

      blow it out your ditty bag…

      • Jeff Walker

        I do not own one…and you are Who to tell me anything…..What are you a Ni&&er-Lover?

      • Jeff Walker

        The Negro begged, cried, payed, marched, and died to be allowed to Integrate into OUR society. Fifty years ago they were allowed to do so. Take a look around and read the news, you tell me if they look, smell, act, or seem integrated to you…..The negro has refused to integrate…in fact they have self-segregated themselves with a made up black culture. The Chicano has just about taken all the jobs they used to be willing to perform. If the Right Leader got into office and stopped all the Hand-Outs what would the Negro do? It largely lives and eats by the hands of others then bites the hand that feeds it. What most white people today have is Negro-Fatigue, when the P.C. stops the Truth will start. It is just a matter of time, remember what you read today (even if you do not agree and allow your family to lay down and breed with them)…

    • Mark E. Hartley

      Boy this is case in point !! LOL I love it !! Yeah, they’re real pillars of those communities !!

      • Jeff Walker

        Please copy, paste, and post this often. If it comes up that ‘you already made this comment’ just change a word or add punctuation marks. Thanks.

    • Iron Tub

      lol..fantastic! Good post Jeff

      • Jeff Walker

        Please copy, paste, and post this often. Change a word or add punctuation if disqus tell you “You already made this comment”……Thanks.

    • David Tierney

      This made me laugh out loud. Greatest anti-analogy I’ve ever read.

      • Jeff Walker

        I am glad you enjoyed it. Barry should be trying to unite the Negro and get it to Integrate with his 8 years, but I do not think he cares very much about the American Negro. I do not think he cares very much about the African negro either.

        • David Tierney

          I am in total agreement. Unfortunately the average black american doesn’t get it. Even Samuel L Jackson said that he voted for Obama because he is black. Total idiocy . He is a muslim and wants total islamic law. I don’t understand how some Americans regardless of color, don’t get it.

  • Charles Wright

    Jeff, While there have been black people to improve the US, Like Mack Lee, Leo Carnine, George Washington Caver, etc.. They have a whole month to celebrate them. The only holiday the South has is Lee-Jackson Day, which is also Confederate Memorial Day in many states, and it has been hijacked to praise a communist thief, liar, and cheat who happen to be black. You need an education as to the reasons for the war of northern aggression. You also need to study about the black heroes who fought in the war, who supported the war efforts, and those that stayed home and protected the home front while growing food, and supporting the war efforts like that. The north attacked the South, civilians of all colors, they attacked civilians as a matter of war strategy. Honor all Confederate heroes, Red, Yellow, Black, and White.

    • Jeff Walker

      “Since the dawn of history the Negr0 has owned the continent of Africa – rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet and yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light.

      His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled.

      A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour.

      In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud.

      With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail.”

      • Charles Wright

        Look, The first slave was in 1620, about the same time as the Mayflower for a time reference. The owner was a black man. White slavery was common in North America, at one time over 1000 people were captured from Ireland and sold in North America as slaves. Africans held whites as slaves for thousands of years. All slaves ever brought to what is now the US were brought on northern ships, bought by northern peoples and resold. The Africans captured them and sold to the northern people.

        The north had laws to outlaw free blacks from coming there, had the original Jim Crow laws, and hated black people. In the South, blacks were treated as family, and they flourished there, where in most places on the earth slaves were worked literally to death and replaced.

        • SFVietVet

          Actually Anthony Johnson became a slave here in the colonies in 1619

          • Charles Wright

            Ok, my source was off a year possibly. The court case was fundamental and the owner was a black man. He thought he was indentured, and worked off that period, then indentured himself to another, thus the court case in an English court in the colonies.

          • Eric Mc Cullough

            Myth: Slavery was always based on race.
            Fact: Not until the 15th century was slavery associated primarily with people of African descent.

          • Iron Tub

            And, was the first slave owner

        • barchen36

          Slaves have always been in African lands and who were the traders? Fellow blacks, who help round them up and used them? Sons of Islam.

        • jebova2301

          Unless you are ONLY talking about slaves in North America, slaves have been around for over 2000 years, man. They didn’t just pop up 400 years ago. They had them in ancient Greece. That was documented 5th and 6th century BC. That means roughly 2500 years ago. Even so, I bet there were slaves in North America before then. I would bet the native tribes that we basically wiped out had slaves before we even got here. We just didn’t care about them, so we basically exterminated them and didn’t bother learning anything about their past. Now, we are just trying to put puzzle pieces together in order to figure it out.

          • Charles Wright

            In an English court in North America. Another source says 1654. In 1654, John Casor, a black indentured servant, became the first legally recognized slave in Colonial America. He claimed to someone named Robert Parker that his owner, free black colonist Anthony Johnson, had held him past his term. Parker told Johnson that if he did not release Casor, Parker would testify in court to this fact; under local laws, this might cause the forfeiture of some of Johnson’s land. Under duress, Johnson freed Casor, who entered into seven years’ servitude with Parker. Johnson, who felt he had been cheated, sued Parker to repossess Casor. A Northampton County court ruled for Johnson, declaring that Parker illegally was detaining Casor from his rightful master who legally held him “for the duration of his life”.[9] Since persons with African origins were not English subjects by birth, they were considered foreigners and generally outside English Common Law. Elizabeth Key Grinstead, a mixed-race woman, successfully gained her freedom and that of her son in the Virginia courts in 1656 by making her case as the daughter of the free Englishman Thomas Key. She was also a baptized Christian. Her attorney and her son’s father was also an English subject, which may have helped her case.[10]

          • David Tierney

            Who the hell do you think built the pyramids’ union workers? Sorry but it was slaves.

  • Mike Osborn

    It would help if people learned the true cause of the Civil War. The prospect of ending slavery, which everyone agrees is bad, did not manifest until near the end of the war. There were still many northern plantation owners, who still held slaves, that disagreed with this legislation. There were many free blacks residing in the country throughout the war, including the south. There were also many people who came to this country as indentured servants who basically sold themselves into slavery for the opportunity to have a chance at the freedom and prosperity available in America.

    Southern business was being taxed excessively and subjected to unfair regulation. History doesn’t change, people just distort the facts to fit their agenda!

    • Iron Tub

      It would be nice as well if people would actually do some research and find out the true meaning behind the confederate flag and what it actually stands for.

  • Pam Steele

    ! I only visit Richmond due to the history and heritage, including my own. Once this changes, many of us have no reason to return, I know I won’t. This is an American flag, just as the stars and stripes. This shouldn’t offend anyone, the only time it seems to cause a stir is when the NAACP and the like tell people how to think!

  • SFVietVet

    I am from the south and am 65 but I am completely against the confederate flag flying anywhere in the U.S. except at an actual Memorial! I fought 3 tours in Vietnam and I would be appalled at the prospect of a Vietnamese neighbor flying a vietcong flag in their yard but I have absolutely nothing against that neighbor otherwise simply because of one reason……..that war is OVER! I once in fact welcomed a Vietnamese man that was working in a 7-11 in Dallas, TX to the US even after we talked and I found out he had indeed fought on the side of North Vietnam and was in fact a vietcong and when I shook his hand he came to tears and asked me why: My response was: We both did what we thought was right….but that war is over and then I told him “we still have people born right here in this country that never fought in our civil war but they are STILL fighting it and I guess always will…… I LOVE the south but the WAR IS OVER and even if I would have been a Confederate back then……I am NOT one now….I am an AMERICAN…..I am not a north american nor am I a south american, nor am I union and I am not confederate……..I AM AN AMERICAN.

    • GOTBOOTH

      The folks that put that flag up aren’t fighting any war. Why would you even think that? And it’s not flying over sovereign property, it’s a memorial to the men of Virginia that WHEN CALLED TO ARMS BY THE GOVERNOR answered that call. Does a memorial have to be federally sanctioned? And if you went back to North Vietnam and saw one of their flags, would you be offended? I doubt so. So why are you bothered by a Confederate flag flying in a once Confederate state that honors men who, to quote you, ‘did what they thought was right’?

      • SFVietVet

        Do you really believe that even today you would find an American Flag flying in Vietnam? The civil war was a terrible war but it was still a WAR and one government won and one government LOST and even though i would have fought for the south, I would NEVER disrespect the United States of America by flying the flag of “The Confederate States of Amercia” simply because to me that just shows that many just can not let go and the funny part is they can’t let go of a war that they didn’t even participate in!!! There were Japanese Americans that fought on our side during WW2 and yet how would you or anyone else feel if they flew the rising sun flag………. with that said, why do you think it is against federal law to fly ANY flag above that of our stars and stripes??? Even Indian nations flags which I personally believe should fly anywhere they like simply because our country came in and decimated them when in fact this was THEIR country way before it was ours can’t fly above the stars and stripes………..Showing respect is fine and it is one thing but there are limits and going beyond those limits shows complete disrespect! There will always be those that “just don’t get it”

    • Diane Kruse

      you can’t compare the situation to a war in Vietnam–The Confederate Flag was the flag of the South–part of American history–

      • SFVietVet

        ……..Vietnam was also a part of AMERICAN HISTORY….

        • Charles Wright

          No, the Vietnam war was part of American history, Vietnam itself is not. The north invaded, attacked civilians as part of their strategy, a strategy Lenin praised Lincoln over, then Stalin, Mao, and hitler used and gave credit to Lincoln for the tactic, Evil, evil man Lincoln, responsible for a million deaths.

          • SFVietVet

            You are wrong…..Vietnam was very much part of American History. We put our first advisors in country in 1955 (Special Forces) and even today most folks have NO clue as to why we were there (I do) As far as Lincoln is concerned, you know what you THINK you know. I will tell you for certain that all governments do things that will NEVER be known possibly for centuries if then…..just as some things have been done in all wars. Just because a war was not fought on American soil does not demean its importance and make it any less of a war!!!!!

          • Charles Wright

            So the war, is part of our history, France’s history, and England’s history. The land and country are not. The war of northern aggression was fought here, and set the awful tone for warfare against civilians that the 20th century is famous for.

          • SFVietVet

            That’s your opinion and you have NO idea just how much the land and country of VN is part of our history….probably never will

          • Charles Wright

            It was NOT American soil, war was, fact, land, no way

          • Charles Wright

            Besides who said it was not a war? I said the war was part of our history, it is. But now the country itself certainly is not, not one person, especially not I, wants to take away from the brave service given in Vietnam. I do not want to take away from the service of our boys in gray either however. Let’s honor ALL our veterans. The Congress made all Confederate Veterans to be American veterans, honor them. I wish people had welcomed you and your buddies home properly. However, failing to honor other veterans will not make up for their disrespect by you disrespecting other vets. This battle flag has never flown over a government that had slaves, but the Stars and Stripes has. This is a soldiers flag, and should be honored. The Stars and Stripes is the official flag of the KKK. The Stars and Stripes flew over slave ships, no Confederate flag EVER did. The last people in the US with slaves never left the Union, and New Jersey had slaves until nearly 1900, as they got to keep them, and renamed them lifetime indentured servants, they remained in service until they died.

          • SFVietVet

            You are sooooo full of it! In the first place many southern plantation owners had black slaves so don’t give me that….And as far as the KKK is concerned, once again you show your ignorance….the Stars and stripes is NOT the flag of the KKK but rather the confederate flag IS…..I live about 25 miles from a headquarters of the KKK and the confederate flag has flown there for over 16 years that I personally know of. Now, as far as respect, I respect ANYONE that has ever put on a uniform especially those that fought for the United States so don’t go there with me. You are apparently a history buff that has been reading the wrong books and your biggest problem is like many others you prefer to live in the past instead of the present! I feel sorry for your kind!

          • Charles Wright

            Certainly there were black slaves in the South, a very few (6%) had them (white slave holders) and about 10% of free blacks were slave holders in the South. In the 7 Northern slave states, there were fewer total slaves, however the average slaveholder had less slaves (avg1.2) than the South(avg10.4) but a larger percentage of slave holders. Many Northern officers, even Generals had slaves. Lincoln’s wife’s family had slaves, and Mary Todd Lincoln’s family fought for the South, as did Lincoln’s best friend. The official flag of the KKK is and always has been the US flag. It is sad that they hijacked the battle flag in the 50′s and 60′s during the civil rights movement, but the US flag is their flag and their only official flag. I don’t like what they stand for, and the original wasn’t like that according to history.

          • SFVietVet

            The first flag the kkk used was called the ;Grand Ensign and all of their headquarters have one, then during the later years they did use the stars and stripes but for the past 30 years or so they have used the confederate flag as their battle flag and only some have used the U.S. Flag when they know they are going to be in certain areas…… YOU just go ahead and think what you like because you will anyway…….have a good life and I hope some day you decide to live in the present and future! ….. I choose not to live in the past!

          • jdelaney3

            The “present” isn’t anything to celebrate, SF.

          • Charles Wright

            I won’t allow someone to bad mouth the Vietnam vets in my presence without defending them, however, neither will I allow anyone to disrespect my Confederate Ancestors without coming to their defense either. The war is over, but, people are still attacking the Confederate Solider, who was trying his best to protect his family, and property from a ruthless invading Army. Sir: I have respect for your service, I did not down it with my comments, as you had thought I had. I never stated the South never had slaves as you stated I did. I did state that they never imported them, and they didn’t. All slaves came in on ships from the New England states. It was for this reason the 1808 compromise was made to allow that extra 20 years, as the South wanted importation stopped at the time of the constitution. New York was the largest slave state at the time of the constitution, and later the Irish were much cheaper, and they sold their slaves to the cotton states.

            Sir, I have no animosity toward you, and wish you the best. I have had ancestors in all of our wars. I have some Native American ancestors, but the first white ancestors came in 1651, and started a tobacco plantation in Virgina. The French and Indian war, the revolution, war of 1812, the Mexican war, war of northern aggression, Spanish American war, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc, have had kin in them. Honoring our veterans is not only right, it is a duty. Asking us to stop honoring these vets, is not an honorable thing to do.

          • Ted Paine

            you’re begining to sound like a democrap SFVietVet

          • jdelaney3

            And many southern plantations were owned by blacks, SF.
            The CSA flag is NOT the flag of the KKK. That’s insane and willfully ignorant. They may adopt it, but that in no way makes it “their” flag or representative of their racist viewpoint.
            In short, the War of Northern Aggression, aka the War of Secession, WAS NOT sparked by a profound or otherwise lofty need in the North to free the slaves in the South. In fact, many union states were slave states.
            You need to read those “wrong books” against which you rail, and gain a more realistic perspective on these historic events. A Politically Incorrect History of the USA is a good start.
            Yes, I too am a Vietnam Vet. Proud of my service, but no longer bursting with pride for what was once our Republic.

          • Charles Wright

            The battle flag didn’t fly over a government, the stars and bars (1st national), the Stainless Banner ( 2nd National) and the 3rd national flag did, but no battle flag, whether the Hardee battle flag, the Battle flag of northern Virginia, nor any other battle flag flew over the Confederate government. However the US flag flew over government of slave holders before, during, and AFTER the war.

        • Diane Kruse

          Yes it was but this controversy is about what happened here in the US between the north and south–a war and it’s flag referenced from another country should have not even entered this comment forum

    • Incognito

      the viet cong never fought and died for this country on this soil.. big difference.. you’re comparing apples and oranges..

      • SFVietVet

        There were Vietnamese that lived here that fought for our side and yet you don’t ever hear about any of them flying their flag after all of these years on our soil….MMMMMmmm

        • Iron Tub

          “On our soil” are the keys words here wouldn’t you say?

    • jdelaney3

      Lovely sentiments in part, SF, but I, also a Vietnam Vet and a resident of the Peoples Democratic Republic of New York, don’t see it that way AT ALL.
      Simply put, the bloody War of Northern Aggression was outrageously unconstitutional, unlawful, utterly avoidable and needless. By any objective historical measure, the CSA, an independent nation, was invaded. Period. The Founders would have fully understood that and would have, to a man, opposed the Northern invasion.
      That said, I too am an American. But, given the insidious socialist transformation the country has been experiencing of late, I honestly can’t say I am any longer a proud American. I love my family, my community, the Constitution of the United States–esp. the Bill of Rights– all of which I have sworn to defend, but that’s as far as it goes. In truth, today I would unashamedly discourage my sons from serving in the US military which is morphing into a robotic servant of Statists, Socialists, neo-Marxists and other domestic Traitors. If we are unwilling or afraid to speak the truth, to express our opinions, then it really is all over–for ALL of us.
      Frankly, I foresee another round of secession in the near future. It’s inevitable. What isn’t inevitable is bloodshed to achieve that inevitable restructuring. We’re all equally well-armed, unlike the military inbalance which existed in 1861.
      Let the CSA flag fly. I fly both my “Don’t Tread on Me” and the “American Flag”, but the former, flying below the stars and stripes, is 4×6 while the Old Glory is, appropriately, 3×5. The neighbors get the message and openly support my sentiments.

  • Diane Kruse

    Flying the Confederate Flag is only a problem if you want it to be. As part of America’s history I say let it fly. When I see those flags it doesn’t bring slavery to my mind.

  • Peter Payne

    I am southern born and bred. I have no issue with a confederate flag being flown anywhere. Those 24,000 signatures don’t mean a thing since the flag is on private property. The entire reason the South had issues with getting rid of slaves is because the economy was built on it at the time so freeing them all would bankrupt the south. The North at the time also had slaves so don’t think that there weren’t any..

    So who missed there being a Jihad flag in NYC? I think that’s a lot more important to discuss. Do I want another Civil war? No, I don’t want to shoulder my rifle against fellow Americans. I do know that the Gadsen Flag and Confederate flag as well as Old Glory seem to wake a few people up. We’re in a dangerous time right now, Winter is coming and it’s going to be rough in more than one way. What I want is for this country to remember the words of our founding fathers and other patriots that made this country great. IF we remember those words and then keep close the constitution we’ll see the wishes of any democrat or certain republican’s wishes as well as Obama’s to be not in the least bit good. There are republicans that are just as bad as Democrats make no mistake.

  • Diana Lynn McDargh

    I get it. I really do, on both sides of the issue. What I don’t get is; where is the outrage over the jihad flags that flew in New York recently at a Muslim parade. Americans need to unite. We have a far worse enemy looming right here in America.

    • Ted Paine

      Hear, Hear !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Incognito

    Fly it high fly it proud.. It’s a part of America’s heritage and no one, I mean NO ONE has the right to stand against it. GET OVER YOUR OWN BIGOTRY REGARDLESS OF YOUR COLOR.. and leave everyone else alone who does not agree with you. You’re not going to change anyone’s mind by trying to force your own views of racism on them.. You’ll just make them more angry and more determined. Last week when I read an article about peanut butter and jelly sandwiches being racist I knew I’d had enough. Can’t take any more..

  • Charles Wright