Parents outraged at field trip to mosque; students given Qurans

A Tennessee high school field trip to an Islamic mosque where students were given copies of the Quran not only left parents questioning the decision, but resulted in the school revising its field trip policy.

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Hartford, CT middle school kids visited local religious facilities in 2012, learned tenets of Islam

As reported by Fox News Radio’s Todd Starnes, the students involved were in an honors world studies class at Hendersonville High School and the field trips to the mosque as well as a Hindu temple were part of a three-week course on world religions.

But some parents objected to the trips, asking why the school would tour a mosque but not a Christian church or a Jewish synagogue.

“If you can’t go to all five, why are you going to any?” parent Mike Conner inquired. “We sent the principal an email and voiced our concerns. She sent back a reply and told us they could not afford to go to all five.”

The students were given punch and cookies at the mosque and listened to readings from the Quran, Conner said. They were also offered copies of the Islamic holy book – which some took and others declined, Starnes reported.

Students who chose not to participate in the field trip were instructed to write a paper comparing and contrasting the Christian, Hindu and Islamic faiths, Conner told Fox News. An assignment that included a worksheet that alleged Muslims treated their conquered people better than the United States treated minorities.

“If we were to compare the attitude of the Muslim rulers towards the minorities living under their rule during the nineteenth century – with the attitude of the Europeans and the Americans towards their minorities, I dare to say that the record of the Muslims would be better,” the author wrote.

The worksheet stated that the “Prophet of Islam was prepared to live in peace with the followers of other monotheistic religions,” and also said “Muslims in the Middle East and Asian conquered lands of other peoples but they did not impose their religion over them.”

The student in question responded to the assignment by noting “there is not enough true facts to properly complete a comparison and contrasting paper.” She received a zero for the assignment.

Sumner County Schools provided Fox News with a statement regarding the field trips: “Our district has reviewed the practice and decided to eliminate field trips to religious venues from this class, as it does not provide equal representation to all the religions studied in the course unit.”

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  • OldmanRick

    Brain washing 101. Anyone from the school system that endorsed the trip should be fired.

    • Richard Vial

      Yes …fire them all. Oldmanrick will teach them! Its better they remain ignorant, right rick?

      • take-a-number

        Richie if you are going to teach stick to the truths don’t fill their heads with lies. “An assignment that included a worksheet that alleged Muslims treated their conquered people better than the United States treated minorities”.

        • disqus_HNokd970Ne

          Richard, if you love muslims go to live in Egypt. Last time I noticed we lived in a FREE country called the United States. Don’t like it here go live with the muslims and leave our country alone.

          • Richard Vial

            “Our ” country….ours, not yours only…ours…mine, yours Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, and a countless number of others. Yes a free country….so your answer to everyone is if they don’t like it move?…And look at the Second Crusade…Saladin allowed the vanquished Christians who had slaughtered the Muslim and Jewish citizens of Jerusalem to leave unharmed. You see everything as a generalization …I do not. And I would imagine you’ve forgotten the many American committed atrocities. From Vietnam to recently convicted soldiers who were shooting Afghani civilians “for fun”. I can see you are filled with hate…and that your ignorance rives your anger. I’m guessing you’ve never been to an Islamic nation or served in the military…..look at my profile on facebook before you judge me. Doesn’t the Bible say that only God can judge….yet look at you. I am a Christian.

          • Magnus Atheos

            Americans committed atrocities in Vietnam? A war the French started. But like a true leftist you ignore and fail to mention that little fact. You, like a true leftist, also conveniently leave out all the atrocities the Vietnamese committed against the American soldiers. Interesting how you self-loathing leftists always only focus on the negative your own culture may have committed and conveniently ignore the evil others commit against your own. A point another was trying to make: if you think your own society is so bad, get the hell out and go live in whatever society you feel is much better. You seem so quick to defend Islam, be my guest and buy yourself a one way ticket to an Islamic country. I won’t miss you, but you will regret your move. If America is so bad, then why are so many breaking laws, going broke, and risking potential capture and imprisonment just to get in? You sir are nothing but a disgusting self-loathing leftist who is a detriment to your own country and culture. America was great for a reason. That reason was because it followed a certain belief. That belief did not include Islam. Now I will digress and wait for you to label me like you leftists so like to do when someone with an opposing belief speak out against your opinion. Go on, what will you call me first? Racist I’m sure, and after that most likely a bigot. But guess what pal?? I don’t care!

          • Ray_Downen

            It would be fair and accurate to point out that the atrocities were committed by Communists against Vietnamese and those fighting on their side.

          • Neroon

            So what we did was ok because of what they did? The ethics of that makes me want to puke.

          • Ray_Downen

            What we did was try to keep Vietnam free. What the Communists did was what Islam now does, terrorize and try to force obedience. To accuse us of mimicking what Communists and Muslims do is slander.

          • Neroon

            So the fact that the French ‘started’ it and the Vietnamese did bad things is justification for anything we did. Nice ethics, I am sure Jesus would support that.

          • Gordon Wilkes

            If that’s the way you truly feel Richard let me know and I will buy you a oneway ticket to Muslim country of your choosing.

          • Jerry

            Once again Mr. Smartguy… Muslim/Islamic… Not a freaking religion!!

          • Ray_Downen

            There IS a religion associated with Islam. It’s granted that Islam is MORE than a religion, but it can’t be denied that it IS (it includes) a religion.

          • Kana60

            What is the criteria that makes a religion a religion?

          • Ray_Downen

            A religion is a worshiping group. This implies a god or gods. Most religions have a priesthood to lead “worship” of the god(s). A religion has requirements for membership. A religion is normally not part of a political party. Islam is an exception.

          • lovinspoonful

            Islam is a religion.

          • Ray_Downen

            Muslim propaganda lives. Truth conquers. Islam is a horrible religion and way of life. Anyone who champions Islam needs to go live in nations already ruled and ruined by Islam. We are far better off without you here.

          • Ironwings

            Well said.

          • Neroon

            Let’s be clear, we are not championing Islam, though that straw man is always your only defense. What we are championing is a society where people respect others. I can’t stand most of the cultural norms that come with Islam, but I also am sensitive to the history of my own people’s dominant faith. This nation was not founded as a Christian nation, it was founded as a nation where people decisions of faith were treated as personal. That does not mean you get to inflict your buffet version of Christianity based one what parts of the Bible you have decided to follow and what to ignore. I am not sure why I waste my breath as your right wingnut world is fading away and your bigotry will be forgotten. By accusing us of being for Islam you ignore our point and show either your ignorance and/or your lack of intellectual honesty.

          • Ray_Downen

            Neroon is surely not trying to be “fair-handed” in his remarks. I’m sorry he thinks it good to waste his breath berating us.

          • Mimi

            I think you are trying to be fair-handed, Richard, but you are missing many historical facts, and your personal experiences are not universally shared.

            Like most Christians, I denounce the Christian Crusades. However, the earlier Muslim Crusades that swept across Northern Africa resulted in a dramatic reduction in the population of native peoples, and near-annihilation of some tribes who refused to convert to Islam. This time period is referred to as “The Golden Age” in Muslim histories, and those who even question that honesty are suppressed. It is difficult to study a religion that does not value honest appraisals. My personal experience with most Muslims who have come to the U.S. is good, too, but I did spend a summer working with women who had come to the country 7-10 years earlier who didn’t speak English. They had no friends, and their husbands did not want them to, or even to learn English.

            I have a dear friend from the Sudan who does not paint a very good picture of religious tolerance by Muslims there, either. Before she escaped to Kenya, her twin brother was murdered at the age of 10 after being kidnapped because of his refusal to convert to Islam. This is only one of hundreds of stories of murder, torture, and mutilation based on Muslim religious intolerance I could tell you based on the stories I have heard from individuals coming from Iraq, Sudan, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Egypt, and other Muslim countries.

            You cannot write a good compare-and-contrast essay when the information you have is too one-sided. People of all faiths throughout history have committed atrocities, which is why it is more important than ever that the information given to our children not simply echo politically-correct doctrines. It is possible to study a religion without either demonizing its adherents or dropping our children off in its most holy places of worship.

          • Ray_Downen

            I can’t speak for other Christians, but I know no Christian who denounces the crusades which thrust Islam back into Arabia after they had conquered much of Europe. I applaud the faith which caused Christians to not allow Islam to conquer Europe. It’s with heavy hearts we see Islam now once again conquering Europe, and hard at work in the U.S.A. It appears it’s time for another crusade! And this one will rid the Americas also of Islamists.

          • Nate Dauer

            No, you’re just a crazy old man using religion as an excuse to promote racism.

          • Ray_Downen

            I qualify as an old man. The crazy part is not proven. Racism has nothing to do with opposing Islam. I think Nate is confusing between what is true and what he thinks.

          • Nate Dauer

            Here’s the proof, a call for genocide:
            “It appears it’s time for another crusade! And this one will rid the Americas also of Islamists.”

          • Neroon

            You are no better than them

          • Ray_Downen

            I don’t know who “them” are. “THEY” may be the Crusaders of old. We do well to love Jesus as they did and seek to work against His enemies. Many of His enemies can be found frequenting mosques. If we were wise we’d not send young people there for any reason.

          • Ironwings

            The Constitution of this country guarantees freedom of religion by stating that the government shall establish no religion – meaning no religion shall be required over any other. That means the government cannot push one religion over any other. The educational system in this country is now a government-run entity, and therefore should not be pushing any religion. Taking other people’s kids to mosques and giving them Korans, especially against the wishes of their parents and without prior permission, is pushing the Muslim religion. End of story.

          • Ginger Holm

            Actually it means the government cannot establish and force us to follow a religion established by our law makers.

            It means government cannot punish us for worshipping as our conscience demands; However, it does NOT mean it must consider all religions equal and allow the practices of all religions.

            Human sacrifice could be forbidden, even if a group declares it is part of their faith.

            In the same manner, jihad is forbidden, but for some reason, our government will not outlaw Islam as a religion – which it is, despite those of you who foolishly deny it.

            They commit endless atrocities and our government tries to conceal that information from us, but it is so great it cannot be hidden. Yet, some people are chose not to believe the obvious.

          • Neroon

            Your ignorance of the Constitution is remarkable. And your ignorance of why the founders came to this country is also remarkable. In the Treaty of Tripoli that involved several Founders and was passed by the Senate it clearly states that we are not a Christian Nation and have no issues with Islam. What we do have is issues with those who would impose their narrow faith on others, wether that be Islamic extremist, or Christian extremist. It is meant to protect us all from each other. 150 years ago the Bible was used to justify slavery, later it was used to justify keeping women from voting, and then to justify segregation. Now it is used to justify hatred of gays. It was used to justify burning women and others at the stake and why the Church of England could persecute the Pilgrims, and the French persecution of the Protestant community that forms one part of my family tree. That is why establishment was such a big deal and why religious test were banned in the Constitution. The founders rightly feared the majority.

          • Ray_Downen

            We got along in the U.S.A. pretty well until we put a Muslim in the White House. If we don’t get him out of there soon, we’ll have no nation left. The Constitution recognizes there is a God. Our present administration demands that our public schools not recognize there is a God. If we had good judgment we’d pass a law forbidding Muslims from running for public office (any office at all) in this nation. Islamic propaganda has no place on blogs in the U.S.A.

          • Nate Dauer

            “We got along in the U.S.A. pretty well until we put a Muslim in the White House.” You just proved your immense ignorance right there.

          • Ray_Downen

            The Obama administration is led by a Muslim. Of course the Obama administration would not speak the truth about Islam or in any way hinder it’s takeover of this nation.

          • Nate Dauer

            Ugh. It wasn’t against the wishes of anyone. Taking the Korans was optional (if you read the article, you’d know this, and you’d also know that it was only against the wishes of a single parent whose child didn’t even attend).

          • Saggi Bourg

            I haven’t forgotten the wrongs done by so called “Christian” Americans. But don’t forget that the Muslims are killing ( mostly beheading) Christians, burning their churches, and throwing women in prison for being raped..

          • Noah Glaser

            And hardcore radical christians are doing things just as bad.

          • Ray_Downen

            If this charge were true, that would be a bad thing. But it’s nonsense. The obviously wrong actions by a particular group in Kansas are not done with the approval of most Christians.

          • Noboodi Busini

            I am Christian and I am a woman and I am an ex muslim and I say islam stinks and needs to be destroyed. Do you dare say I have no right to judge about how they are since I have been to the middle east, jordan (karak) lebanon, syria and spent years since a teenager, ripe picking for them to convert and have heard many things and how they do wish death to emrika (America) do not think they do not whine there was a war in syria when I was in Jordan and all they could say is the pigs america do not care about us and ehshallah allah will deal with them and send them to hell. Yeah and it was not even an american vs. muslim war, they just wanted the aid and still hated.

          • muslimmustgo

            You are the one that I see that is filled with hate,hatred for America,hatred for the American way! We’re you in vietnam!!? Can you personally account for the atrocities that you accuse our American soldiers of!!?? Didn’t think so! Just regurgitating what your god(obama)spews!!

          • Richard Holmes

            Burn every muslime alive. Then bury the corpse in hog guts in an unmarked pit.

          • firoz

            true word with experience,not learned
            just by biased media

          • Ray_Downen

            Richard does not speak as a Christian would speak. I think he is mistaken in claiming that he is a Christian. It’s granted that anyone can be mistaken. His words make clear that he is not a Christian as he claims.

          • Neroon

            I know this, you have no clue of Jesus’s teachings. I know it doesn’t support your kind of hatred.

          • Ray_Downen

            Jesus speaks honestly about his enemies. We do well to follow His example. It’s obviously Neroon who has no clue of the teachings of Jesus. Parents did well to be outraged that their young adults were taken to a mosque to be told lies and encouraged to worship a false god.

          • Neroon

            Ray, please try reading the actual bible, as I have start to end many times. Try to actually study the history of how it was put together and the times when it was created. Your kind of Christianity has no place in a modern inclusive society. I think the 11th century would have been a better for you. I want to thank you earlier in here for calling Obama a Muslim. That tells me all I need to know about your and your politics of hate. As I have said before we survived the disaster that was Bush, you will survive Obama. Are you a birther too? That is the hat trick of lunacy.

          • Ray_Downen

            President George W. Bush served the nation honorably and well. Democrats did everything they could to upset things during the final two years of his Presidency. They succeeded in bringing us to a tragic place which Obama has made even worse. Yes, I’m sure Obama was born somewhere, but we have no way to know where. He has no birth certificate and apparently can’t get one. And he’s tied up his college records to prevent anyone seeing that he registered as a foreign student. He is a man of mystery. But his actions demonstrate clearly that he is a Muslim sympathizer if not able to practice his religion openly.

          • Neroon

            Hawaii – this whole manchurian candidate thing is insane. Only a small fringe of nuts like you are still trying to make this an issue. Regardless of where he was born, his mother makes him a ‘natural born’ citizen. I realize you live in a fantasy world, but he has released his birth certificate both short and long certified by the State of Hawaii by both a Democrat and Republican Governors. Please explain how two newspapers announced his birth when those announcements come from the official state records? Why would anyone lie? What purpose would it serve since he was a citizen the moment he left his mom regardless of what patch of earth he was born on? There is a reason birthers are viewed as nuts, because your racial hatred of this man has made you waste years of time on an argument that is moot.

          • Nate Dauer

            While I agree that Ray is definitely a crazy, hateful old man, I actually liked Bush…
            > . >
            I guess that’s the trouble with being a moderate conservative – you’re not a liberal, but you’re not conservative enough for the right wing extremists either.

          • Nate Dauer

            *Parent, not parents. Read the full article.

          • Jerry

            I agree!!! I live in US of A!!! I can say anything I please…. If you dont like this country then get out!

          • Noah Glaser

            Could you make a more ignorant and stupid statement? You say we live in a free country while telling people who believe something other than you to leave….wow you are stupid

      • Kara Way

        Shut up Richard, he has more likes then you.

        • Richard Vial

          Yeah Kara…that’s an intelligent argument. I looked at some of your commentary….spell check or a dictionary might be a good idea. Also…lay of the carbs.

          • Jerry

            OO no!! is she a fatty? Buddy, you’re the ignorant one. Should have kept your mouth shut from the beginning! I will be very please to troll an idiot of your standards. Do we have an understanding buddy?

          • Jerry

            OO no!!! Your a cyclops!!! Freak with one eye!!! Hmmm, I wonder how far degrading another will take me… I don’t feel better about it…

          • Magnus Atheos

            You criticize her writing and her argument and then end with such a stupid and IGNORANT comment? How many people have you called ignorant here? You have no right accusing anyone of being ignorant after a comment like that. You just discredited everything you have wrote and will write in the future.

          • Ray_Downen

            Mental capacity is not measured by pounds and ounces. Anyone who agitates for Islam is not intelligent and is headed for Hell.

          • JHorvathJr

            In every Islamic country, churches are burned or turned into “mosques”, priest and laity are imprisoned or “removed”, Christians pay special taxes in every Islamic country, whenever there is trouble, the “muslims” kill, burn, beat and otherwise abuse christians. Seldom – if ever- is a moslem arrested rebuked or otherwise punished for harming or killing a christian. You say Americans are guilty of atrocities. The “Moslem” world is a histyory of atrocities against Christians since 1400., since Mohammed who would take a nine year old bride.

        • take-a-number

          Kara: Notice when lefties have no fact to support their argument they attempt to discredit the messenger. By the way grammar nazi richie “lay of the carbs”.

          • Nate Dauer

            or statements like “he has more likes then you.”

        • Nate Dauer

          I can’t believe you just said that… “he has more likes then you.”
          Honestly, what is this, myspace?

      • http://mcbluefire.net McB

        Ignorance is better than believing opinion to be facts.

        • Richard Vial

          Wrong….”Ignorance is the greatest evil”…look up that quote. Discussion and an open mind…people can talk about how opinion is just on persons freedom of expression. It is what our democracy was founded on. I imagine you would burn all books of views that oppose your own.

          • http://mcbluefire.net McB

            Ah, so learning misinformation is better than ignorance. So, believing 1+1 = 3 is better than not knowing what 1+1 is. Knowing that America joined WWII because Germany attacked Virginia is better than not knowing why America joined WWII? The evil is deliberate self-ignorance. You presume too much – such as believing our country is a democracy. Look up the word Republic and climb out of your own ignorance.

          • Jerry

            What does Ignorance mean buddy? In your words… What does it mean… Do not use google or a dictionary…. Just give me your meaning of Ignorance please…. This way we can all be on the same page.

          • PleaseGoAwayDWS

            I think anyone who takes a quick perusal through your comments can agree that you are one ignorant bastard.

      • Dawn Appelberg

        Fire anyone who dares to go against the freedoms of our country yes. There are enough GOOD teachers out there looking for a decent job that the PROGRESSIVE teachers can be easily replaced.

        • Richard Vial

          And Dawn….I imagine “good teachers” only teach your side of the story and your beliefs……you would have fit right into German society in the 1930′s.

          • Magnus Atheos

            But your opinion of “Good teachers” teaches what you agree with correct? The leftist view?

        • Ray_Downen

          I surely wish Dawn’s suggestion were feasible. But MOST recent graduates of teacher-training colleges will be infected with foolish ideas which they are expected to pass on to their students. I think it will be very difficult to find PRESENTLY-TRAINED teachers who love God and are patriotic citizens of the U.S.A.

      • Mr Keith Charles Johnson

        “Stupid is forever, ignorance can be fixed”. Don Wood

        And, you sir belong to which category? Oldmanrick didn’t say fire them all, he said, “Anyone from the school system that endorsed the trip should be fired”. Now from my understanding of the English language that would exclude anyone not involved with the decision to go to a mosque. Please put your thinking cap on before making spurious comments. Thank You

        • Richard Vial

          So…trying to educate kids and making a “mistake” should require firing? I’d love to know your career and job performance background. I agree that the field trip should have been tempered with a more informational view. But we are not sure that it wasn’t. We weren’t there. But you of course are beyond reproach. Go ahead, throw the first stone……but look in a mirror first Keith. Oh…and stupid can be fixed? How can we fix it without ever exposing our students to other cultures, religions, and opinions?

          • Mr Keith Charles Johnson

            Excuse me, but I wasn’t the one who said that you should be fired!! Now it is becoming more clear to me as I read through the thread of the posts on this subject. You are the teacher involved in this travesty, and you’re feeling persecuted, and rightfully so. Comparative Religion has no place in the K-12 Public School system, and you need to look up the definition of stupid vs. ignorant.

            http://dictionary.reference.com/

            stu·pid [stoo-pid, styoo‐] adjective, stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est, noun adjective

            1. lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind; dull.
            2. characterized by or proceeding from mental dullness; foolish; senseless: a stupid question.
            3. tediously dull, especially due to lack of meaning or sense; inane; pointless: a stupid party.
            4. annoying or irritating; troublesome: Turn off that stupid radio.
            5. in a state of stupor; stupefied: stupid from fatigue.

            ig·no·rant [ig-ner-uhnt] adjective

            1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
            2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
            3. uninformed; unaware.
            4. due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.

            Stupid can not be fixed. For a teacher, you sound fairly stupid about the English language, but I guess your background is religion, and if that’s the case how did you get past separation of church and state. Which, by the way, is never mentioned in the United States Constitution. It’s not up to the schools to, as you say, “exposing our students to other cultures, religions, and opinions”?. That is for parents to do so that their children are not subjected to something that the parents don’t endorse.

          • PleaseGoAwayDWS

            “It’s not up to the schools to…exposing students to other cultures, religions, and opinions.”

            Please refer back to your definition of ignorant because that is exactly what schools are for. Maybe the reason you guys hate so much is you close your mind to any kind of learning that is outside your comfort zone.

          • Ray_Downen

            Public schools are now controlled by the federal government. This administration is strongly anti-Christian and anti-Jewish. We do well to not join in condemning all that is good as Obama wants us to do. I repeat my suggestion that we simply need to get the federal government OUT of our local school systems. And if the living God is not welcome in any school, then no false gods should be MORE welcome than is God.

          • PleaseGoAwayDWS

            There is no god in school just as you don’t teach reality like evolution and global warming in church.

          • Ray_Downen

            The theory of evolution is nonsense, as is the theory of “global warming” espoused by liberals. The earth cycles warmer and cooler. It always has. It will do so until the end of time, which won’t be caused by gradual global warming. Public schools shouldn’t teach religion. But any place at all where God is not welcome is a bad place.

          • Neroon

            Science is the poetry of reality. Evolution is fact supported by scientific study instead of faith. You can actually believe in evolution and be a Christian. All you have to do is see the wonder of Gods creation and the intricacy if his processes. As for Global Warming, enjoy the heat because other that scientist paid for by Oil and Chemical companies the rest of the Science community agrees. I realize your religion requires you to be ignorant and think that God is a magician, but the rest of us are more amazed by the actual reality of creation. I had to laugh when one Tealiban congressman said that Global Warning was not possible because God would not let it happen. Would that be because he never really flooded the world (a nice fairy tale but that is another talk).

          • Ray_Downen

            Neroon is loquacious and ignorant. The earth has survived many cycles of heating and cooling and will continue to do so until God ends it all. God’s wisdom designed a universe in which humans can live. He loves us and wants us to have a good life. Yet many, as Neroon does, deny that He even exists. If someone denied that the globe could warm “because God would not allow it to happen,” the speaker was wise to recognize that anything that happens can only do so if God permits. But as for the earth warming and cooling, It’s done so for many centuries and will continue to do so until God calls a halt.

            I do not approve of any public school endorsing and promoting Islam. How foolish of them to do so since Islam is so strongly opposed to schooling for females.

          • HonestToAtee

            Hi Debbie Wassaman Shmutz, you are still ugly as sin beatch!!!

          • JHorvathJr

            “Honest2aT” is an example of someone thought “to think” in public school.

          • Mr Keith Charles Johnson

            Please reread my comment, and comprehend the entire comment along with it’s placement in the thread, and it’s context before you write some claptrap about “Maybe the reason you guys hate so much is you close your mind to any kind of learning that is outside your comfort zone”. I’m quite comfortable with any kind of learning; it’s children being brainwashed and indoctrinated that bothers me. Excuse me, but what you wrote about is exactly what I said, “Comparative Religion has no place in the K-12 Public School system”, and it’s not “my” definition of ignorant. It’s from “http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ignorant?s=t

            “Theology is never any help; it is searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn’t there. Theologians can persuade themselves of anything”. Robert Heinlein (1907 – 1988)

            “Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation.
            Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can’t help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime: the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity”. Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough For Love

            “A fool cannot be protected from his folly. If you attempt to do so, you will not only arouse his animosity but also you will be attempting to deprive him of whatever benefit he is capable of deriving from experience. Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig”.

            Robert A. Heinlein

          • PleaseGoAwayDWS

            Except that’s not what you wrote. Before you edited it you said…

            “It’s not up to the schools to…exposing students to other cultures, religions, and opinions.”

            “Anything is better than lies and deceit!”
            ― Leo Tolstoy

          • JHorvathJr

            ANYTHING? Yes, usually after leftist/communist revolutions the first thing they do is “re=educate” or KILL those who do not believe in socialism, progressivism, etc. brainwashing and murder…Toltoys “anything”?

          • PleaseGoAwayDWS

            And it’s really kinda sad that you guys on the right produce such addle-minded offspring that when they are introduced to any kind of information other than what comes from Fox news they are being indoctrinated.

          • Mr Keith Charles Johnson

            Ah-Ha I was right. Ad hominem at it finest, now you claim people that believe in making decisions as to how there children are raised and educated are producing “addle-minded” children. Also you reference Fox news. How can that be? I find it hard to believe that you said’ that “you guys on the right”. As if liberal progressives don’t produce addle-minded children. Maybe not , but their parents will certainly make them that way.

            http://youtu.be/bx9jZ3ARVtk

          • PleaseGoAwayDWS

            Ad hominem…’To the man’ or ‘at the man’. I guess you weren’t indoctrinated on the proper use of that phrase because I wasn’t criticizing you or calling you addle-minded. My argument is that if your children cannot think or act independently and use their own critical thinking when they are provided knowledge in school, then it is either a mental defect or you have done a piss-poor job of raising you kids.

            You see, you have to take responsibility for your own children and not just send them off to school and expect the teachers there to do all the work. The teachers can impart the knowledge, but it is up to you to guide them and impart morals and values to them.

          • Mr Keith Charles Johnson

            Once again you err in your comprehension of my statement. Ad hominem was used precisely as I meant it to be. It wasn’t about ME, it was about you calling Jerry an ‘ignorant bastard”. Now reread that, and make sure that you’ve got it down pat, and as far as raising children goes mine were taught not to listen to people like you. You seem to expect young children to be able to discern fables from reality, and to “pick the fly $#!+ out of the pepper. Most people that I know tell their children to listen to their teachers, and I would guess that young minds are still developing, and really haven’t matured to the point of being able to make the distinction of minute nuances in the message. Again I repeat Comparative Religion has no place in K-12 education in the public school system. As far as your argument that it’s my job “to guide them and impart morals and values to them”. You’re right but it is also the teachers responsibility to teach responsibly, and leave personal opinions at the threshold to the classroom, and stick to the curriculum as approved by the school board.

            BTW how many children have you raised? My guess would be none, because I can’t imagine anyone that would want to be with someone who hides behind a photo of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and a user name of PleaseGoAwayDWS. Your writing appears to be that of a liberal troll, and is suspect at best.

          • JHorvathJr

            Kind of like the fairness doctrine. Can’t push Christianity in public schools because of “separation” of church and state. Then can’t teach islam “church, moslem, temple, no religion none so ever!” SEP A RAT ION be TWEEN “Church and STATE.”

          • PleaseGoAwayDWS

            Why don’t you work on separating priest’s penises from little boys and then worry about about church and state. #pedophile

          • JHorvathJr

            move your mouth and I will.

          • Ray_Downen

            With the present administration’s hatred for Christians, the best we could hope for in public schools would be no teaching about religion at all. I say this because anything good said about God and Jesus is forbidden. So also should be saying anything good about other religions. Best is to take control of schools back to the state level or local control and get the federal government out of the picture entirely.

          • Ironwings

            You are the calm voice of reason, Ray. Good on ya.

          • Mr Keith Charles Johnson

            I said it once already, and I’ll say it again, “Comparative Religion has no place in the K-12 Public School system”,

          • Mr Keith Charles Johnson

            Thank You. You repeated my point almost exactly, but in different words. I said “Comparative Religion has no place in the K-12 Public School system”, and you expanded upon it by adding God and Jesus to the conversation. Thank You, but I say God belongs in the classroom in the form of the Pledge of Allegiance, and the students understanding of how the United States came about with the founding fathers use of Judeo-Christian values in their establishment of OUR Republic. Please click on this link for a better understanding of my position.
            http://youtu.be/2HGHdFmu5GU

          • dhmill

            Richard,
            That shool trip was not a mistake. It was a part of your PROGRESSIVE agenda.

            As for exposing our children to other cultures, all they need to do is watch the nightly news, read a newspaper or listen to a radio, to be exposed to yet another daily massacre by Muslims.

            These daily massacres some where in the world are the truth of your Muslims.

        • Ironwings

          I am wondering if Richard is being paid to get on this forum and stir up sch*tt. Which begs the question, “Who would pay for that?” That does not take brains, just too much spare time. Richard, educating others regarding other religions and cultures is a good thing, I’m sure we all agree on that. But doing it without permission of the parents is underhanded and suggests other motives at work. Bad form. Educators should be too smart to make that ‘mistake’, otherwise they have no business being educators. Either way, they should be fired.

      • Freethinker01

        Rick–Would you approve of children being forced to go to a Christian church and being taught to prostrate themselves before God?

        • Richard Vial

          Nope…and do you think they were forced? You don’t know that. My students had a guest speaker…thy wanted to see how other religions prayed. You imagine that the kids were told “Bow Down to ALLAH!”…I would bet they were not. And if you read my other posts you would see that I mentioned that a photo out of context can look pretty damaging. I don’t think any of us know all the facts. I won’t race to judge or condemn this school’s attempt to let these kids see what a religion believes.

          • Gordon Wilkes

            The only problem with that Richard is that religion will never tell you what they believe until it’s to late. Sharia law does not belong in the US

          • Jerry

            LMFAO!!! You was the teacher to take these kids!!! Once again!!! Islamic is no religion!!!!!!!!!!! ONE WORLD ORDER is the only true meaning behind Islamic. That you can google buddy.

          • PleaseGoAwayDWS

            “You was the teacher”, “Islamic is no religion”?

            Not a big fan of grammar, huh Jerry? Try googling fifth grade and tell your mom you don’t want to be home schooled anymore.

          • HonestToAtee

            Still very ugly Debbie.

          • Ray_Downen

            Jerry says Islam is not a religion. He is partly right. Islam is MORE THAN a religion. But it certainly IS a religion, and a bad one with a false god to worship and cruel deeds taught to be practiced by those who are loyal to that god.

          • Neroon

            How often do you wonder what will happen if it turns our that the muslins are right? Guess what, they think Christians could be right just as often.

          • Ray_Downen

            The U.S.A. is not a Muslim nation. We reject Islam. It’s opposed to liberty of any kind, demanding that every citizen obey the religious leaders every wish or die. If Islam were allowed to take over this nation, we Christians would be robbed and killed by the Muslim government. Obama’s starting the process early with his Obamacare.

      • eilismaura

        the classwork would have dealt with the idea of ‘ignorant’ regarding the faiths

        the field trip was not necessary

        as several faiths were included in the segment it should have been all or none regarding the field trip

        • Richard Vial

          The praying poster was not a good idea. Exposure to others beliefs is. But do you really think all religions could be represented? Even Christians would be arguing…should it be Catholic, Protestant, Mormon……With my students I attempt to get a cross section of the main four world religions…and usually I can only get one or two religions to actually send someone. I’ve NEVER had a student convert, but they have gained an understanding of other religions and cultures.

          • eilismaura

            since field trips to all the faiths being “covered” was not possible one has to wonder why THIS one was selected to be visited and why other options (bringing in speakers etc) were NOT used

          • Jerry

            Islamic is not a Religion.

          • Ray_Downen

            It surely appears that this visit to a mosque was led by Richard Vial. On our dime. Our tax dollars now support public schools. It should not be that way, but that’s the way it is. And NO mention of God is welcome in public schools. Yet Richard is teaching a class (in high school) on comparative religions. He should be told what present federal laws permit and do not permit in PUBLIC schools. He’d not again take students to a mosque!

      • Stephen Hammock

        People have gotten so open minded these days I think their brains have fallen out. So tell us, O enlightened one, what are your views concerning the meaning of life?

        • Richard Vial

          We all have to find our own meaning Stephen. To me…life is a long journey seeking what each of us finds as a truth. My philosophy is to love one another, seek knowledge, and help each other as much as possible. When I teach about religion, I preface the unit with idea that our families should guide us and we should see others points of view. I have NEVER had a student convert because of exposure to other religious ideas. I hope you can find some meaning in your life Stephen and become enlightened too. By the way, did you know that “Buddha” means enlightened one. My wife says I have the body of a god….Buddha…haha

          • Ray_Downen

            Our PUBLIC schools are God-free zones now by order of the federal government. If it’s not allowed to teach about God, it surely should not be allowed to discuss ungodly religions such as are suitable for “comparative religions.” It appears that Richard needs to be retired from teaching in any public school.

      • wildeagleone

        If you my man want yur children to grow up wearing bomb belts go ahead and strap them on. this is not education it is strictly indoctrination and nothing else .Wise up

        • Richard Vial

          Again…we weren’t there. I am sad that instead of restructuring their visits, that the district just succumbed to the pressure and will now leave their students in ignorance.

          • Ray_Downen

            Now Richard is saying he was NOT the teacher who did the dirty in this case. But he also in a public school teaches comparative religions. How did that subject get in the agenda? What we hear is that God is not to be mentioned, and Bibles are not to be seen in a PUBLIC school. Meaning, of course, that no Christians should be there either, for we carry Jesus with us wherever we go, legally or illegally.

      • Ginger Holm

        Better they are taught truth and the three Rs than indoctrinated into a sadistic religion.

      • muslimmustgo

        Actually the children need to be taught the values and ethics that was taught in our nation in the 1950′s era! Notice how since then the younger generation has become more pliable in the hands of this marxist govt.!!?

      • JHorvathJr

        Wow we are assuming these kids were IGNORANT? Vial has vile attitude toward American children.

    • Boobie_The_Rocket_Dog

      OTOH, if it weren’t so politicized, it would be a good cultural exercise, as would be a field trip to a cathedral or a synagogue. Now I think the students are OWED the latter regardless of who has to pay for the bus.
      The argument that they couldn’t afford another trip holds water only if Arab petrodollars paid for this one, in which case they should have turned down the whole thing.

      • eilismaura

        It comes down to unfair handling of information they ultimately had to do a report on.

        As it was part of gathering information for that class project and a couple of faiths were handled differently than the other then it introduces a bias in their education and information.

        That they had to do any of the prayer practices brings up issues regarding the separation of church and state.

      • eilismaura

        we are still talking about a RELIGION

        If the children were studying about Italy should they have a field trip to a Catholic church for the ‘cultural’ aspect – be offered bibles or missals or a rosary? be subjected to a liturgy while there?

        • Richard Vial

          Sure..why not? Do you beleive students are so weak they just convert to anything they hear without being able to listen and gain an understanding of another belief structure.

          • eilismaura

            you are not addressing that ONE of the faiths being “studied” was handled differently than the others

            as a teacher you see it is appropriate to focus more on one than the others being studied? As a teacher do you see it as a good use of limited resources when you have other faiths to present for them in the course?

          • Ray_Downen

            What we Christians want is consistency. If God and bibles are not welcome in a public school, then we really need to remove Christian students from that school, for we who love Jesus carry Him with us wherever we go. What’s apparent is that the PUBLIC schools in the U.S.A. are now ungodly and no fit place for good people to go. Or is that a true analysis? I know Christians who still manage to teach in public schools.

      • Richard Vial

        Good observation Boobie…I agree.

        • Jerry

          STFU, you only said that cause his name had Boobie in it. Your godly body just cant help itself from craving the boob. Pervert that teachs “KIDS” Remind me not to send my children to your school.

  • Doug Kimzey

    There is a clear need for a very thorough investigation here. If this story is accurate, the school has clearly and completely violated the rights of the parents. It also sound like the material being used needs to be reviewed for historical accuracy. The should be solid and real consequences for the actions of this school.

    • DixieAngel_76

      And one wonders just what happened to all of that ‘separation of Church and State’ crap that the leftists are always quoting when they force Christian students to leave their Bibles at home, ban even silent prayer at school sporting events and forbid anyone to pass out Christmas cards?

      • Richard Vial

        Did you even wonder if they covered Christianity in the course too? I teach world history…they get to hear the message Jesus had as well as all the others. Bu then, if you got what you want, they wouldn’t hear anything.

        • HonestToAtee

          You obviously are either ignorant to the MB Manifesto and the words of the Koran as to conversion or you are a Muslim. Which is it Richard Vial? Either way you are quite VIAL!

          • Richard Vial

            Nope…not a Muslim. I’m a Christian. I was taught “love thy neighbor”. So “honest”…be honest…have you ever visited or lived in a country with Muslims…I have. I have Muslim students…they are not trying to destroy me. I also have served in the military…perhaps you can check out my facebook page before you are so judgmental. Oh yeah, Bible also says…do not judge others. You are as far from Christian practicing as the Muslim radicals that you have generalized to represent all Muslims.

          • Jerry

            Your judgemental ass said someone needs to stay away from the carbs…. Your a fucking hypocrite!

        • http://mcbluefire.net McB

          What message of Jesus’ did you teach? The “prophet of God that teaches us to be nice to each other” – or – the “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me” and John 3:16 Jesus? Huge difference. If you didn’t cover that then you missed the only part of Christianity that matters.

          • Richard Vial

            I remember Jesus saying. The greatest commandment is to “love your neighbor”. You just type angry, I can’t imagine what you are like in real life. Can I be a Christian yet try to understand the other religions views and culture. I can hear them…that does not mean I believe them. Perhaps though we can find common ground to exist without killing each other. What would you prefer?

          • Diana Kline

            Richard, I’ve been reading through your posts and have remained silent until this one because this comment is your worse one yet that must be corrected. In Mark 12:29-31 after Jesus was asked which is the the most important commandment, Jesus is recorded here saying, “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” (end of quote). So “loving your neighbor” is the SECOND greatest command—not the first.

          • Jerry

            Once again idiot… Islamic is no religion…

        • Dawn Appelberg

          And this is why my kids are homeschooled. I don’t need propaganda shoved down their throats by some curriculum that doesn’t teach facts as much as opinion. Tell me, does your curriculum teach about the Roman incursion into the pagan arenas and the subsequent destruction of such? How about what happens in cultures where the muslim percentage reaches over 5%?

          Guess it is only good to rant against removing kids from the public school system or to fire teachers who are teaching inappropriate material – just fix the problems we are facing today.

          • Richard Vial

            Hmmm…just wondering what your point about Roman incursion into Pagan arenas is? Most religions have committed atrocities…Christians, Muslims, etc…..yup, go ahead and home school. But try to teach kids to think for themselves..to analyze,,,,to question. So I guess I indoctrinate them to think for themselves…hmmm. Well, I guess if you home school you can indoctrinate your kids to your version of the truth, without discussion or exposure to others ideas. That sounds so healthy. Let me know how they turn out.

          • Dawn Appelberg

            Actually my kids are taught no matter who tells them what they need to do the research for themselves. I despise Obama. My kids have to give me three good reasons for their feelings about the situation before I allow them to say the same. If they choose to like him for whatever reason then that is their constitutional right.

            The fact is I do not allow indoctrination of my kids by anyone – religious or educational. If the want to know something I may point them in the direction of the research – they have to do it themselves however. For instance my daughter is currently throwing a fit because I just told her to log onto the computer to research the misspelled words from her spelling bee.

            I am a hard core advocate of George Carlin’s viewpoints on education..teach them how to think not what to!

        • eilismaura

          did they go to a liturgy? were they offered a bible or a missal/prayer book?

          there was no reason for them to go to the mosque when it comes down to learning the content of the class in school

          • Richard Vial

            When my students have visited other religions…I usually talk to the minister, rabbi, priest, to make sure they present what their practices or beliefs are. If offered a book…Torah, Vedas, Qur’an…they can take them if they want. Oh, and I have never had a parent complaint or student suddenly convert to that religion. But I have had kids say “oh, that’s what that is, or that’s what they are doing’.

          • eilismaura

            since you indicate you take that time do you not see how poorly this school handled the issue?

            in another post you indicated that you try to bring in speakers to cover all the groups being studied and that is not always possible due to speaker’s availability

            we see in this article a plan was made KNOWING there were not enough funds to do the same for all faiths being studied as all 5 representative houses of faith – given all 5 have a place that is available to visit the issue becomes why select the one in the news mostly for negative CURRENT events (be it 9/11/2001 attacks or the beheading of the soldier in England or the attacks on Coptic Christians)?

            also do you see these things – outside speakers and field trips – items the students should get grades for attending? do they supplement or replace standard courseware?

        • eilismaura

          do the materials you use treat the faiths the same? same amount of information – follow the same format?

          the article this one links to indicates there were differences in how each religion was presented with Islam getting the lion share of attention.

          • Richard Vial

            I teach the four main religions by number of followers. Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism. They have a study guide with the same format for each. When was it founded, where, by who, what sects are there, customs, ceremonies. Sometimes I am only able to get a few speakers…this is not done by preference…but availability. And before the unit begins, we discuss bias and that each religion will present its view…..and that I am not trying to convert them but give them an understanding of others. How cn we discuss world history without understanding the religious motivations behind The Crusades, The Diaspora, The Reconquesta, The Spanish Inquisition, Exploration, Imperialism, Modern Terrorism, The Muslim Spring?

          • Diana Kline

            Why don’t you add to this list the historical account of why and how Jesus was arrested and subsequently, beaten, flogged and crucified on a cross where He died; then was buried, and on the third day He rose from the grave and ascended into heaven where He sits at the right hand of God the Father? Do you even know the events that led to Jesus’ arrest and His ultimate execution?

        • Stephen Hammock

          I’ll wager you don’t touch too hard on Christianity, as you have not been on national news. These things should be taught at home, not school.

          • Richard Vial

            I tell them to be aware of my bias…..that I am a Christian. And all my students hear that Christians believe you get to Heaven by accepting Christ as your personal savior. We talk about historical documents outside of the Bible that confirm the existence of a real person named Jesus. I haven’t been on the news yet…..

        • Ray_Downen

          If truth is taught about history, that’s good. The good AND bad of our church history can be addressed in a class on history. We Christians have had bad times as well as good. But history in public schools should NOT be a history of religions but rather of people groups. If their wars were fought over religion, then religion can come into the discussion, but otherwise, it should not be discussed in a place where God is not welcome and His book is forbidden.

      • take-a-number

        Just think how wonderful heaven will be without a state.

    • Richard Vial

      I agree Doug….more real facts are needed. But I think trips like this can enrich the knowledge of students if they are prefaced to realize these are for education and not for proselytizing.

  • Mary Zoeller

    put your children in a religious school!

    • Antogeny

      Or, a private one. I do NOT trust government-run schools any more.

      • Judith Lang

        Amen.

      • Richard Vial

        Perhaps a Mosque near you has a charter school you can enroll your children in…

        • disqus_HNokd970Ne

          You must be one of those muslim crappots. get out of our country you idiot. teaching children–disgusting.

          • Richard Vial

            I was out of the country…I served in Afghanistan…..check the photo. Did you? Oh, and I’m a Christian. I try to do what Jesus preached…”love thy neighbor”. I imagine that would be hard to do if you lived next door…but I would try. You seem so angry…why?

        • Dawn Appelberg

          Personally I would not let you near my kids. I do hope enough parents out there read this that they may also throw up red flags regarding your teaching capabilities.

          • Richard Vial

            Actually Dawn…my students are following this argument. Where do you live Dawn….I’d love to invite you to my school, but I can see you seem to like to judge rather than see for yourself. But you’re invited.

          • Richard Vial

            Dawn …your viewpoint about indoctrination reminds me of the parent I saw that, when observing her little boy hit his sister, grabbed him and spanked him several swats saying “We don’t hit in our family!”. Do you teach your kids to seek the truth…..or just to believe what you say…without question.

          • Dawn Appelberg

            I actually think you would not want me there. I appear to be a bit too demanding of teacher responsibilities for you. I have re read your entire thread yet again, and once more hope the parents are reading this and realize you are in fact one of the problems we are having in our society for the programming of the kids. Just because a child thinks you are awesome does not make you a great teacher. Heck one of my favorite teachers of all times in High school was a guy who let us watch whatever movie we wanted in class and never gave homework!

        • Diana Kline

          Anyone who would recommend a Muslin school to someone is NOT a Christian by any stretch of the imagination. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through Me.” In fact, nine of the original twelve of Jesus’ disciples were brutally murdered because they were publicly proclaiming that Jesus is the ONLY way to be reconciled to God and be rescued from His wrath. For someone who teaches world religions, you are extremely ignorant on the correct basic fundamental teachings of Christianity and of Islam.

      • Dawn Appelberg

        Or homeschool

    • Richard Vial

      Yes…the school that has the RIGHT religion!!! Hmmm…now which one is that? I’m sure Mary will tell you. “love thy neighbor”….or do you only love the ones that agree with you?

      • Susan Kohler

        Richard, no, I love people of all religions, but I hate the violence connected to Islam. I pray for them. I’m sickened by the terror and the violence in places like Syria, cutting girls in half with a saw, beheading priests, eating the bloody heart out of a fallen soldier, but my Lord Jesus said to love and pray for people like that, so I do. I’ll admit to being outraged by the 9/11 attacks in 2001 and Benghazi, by the Boston marathon bombing etc. and it may take a few days to pray for the souls of people who do such things, but sooner or later do pray for them. I pray for the victims first, and their families. And I’d choose a Christian school.

        • Richard Vial

          Susan…I would imagine you’ve never been to an Islamic News… Do you remember Mai Lai in Vietnam and what Christian American soldiers did….ear collectors….”double veterans” a term for raping and then killing a girl, or the American soldiers convicted of killing Afghani civilians for sport and taking fingers and teeth as souveniers….but you would argue that they were not good Christians….as would most Muslims argue that the above mentioned behaviors was done by fanatics and not those truly practicing Islam.

      • HonestToAtee

        You are obviously for removing religion from the schools and replacing them with Islam, get ready for a fight.

        • Richard Vial

          So wrong “honest” My states curriculum includes a standard that students be given an understanding of the founding and beliefs of major world religions and their impact on history. How do you propose we do that without talking about them?

      • Boobie_The_Rocket_Dog

        So you’re a teacher, eh? Something tells me you’re one of those whose students don’t dare dispute, ever, on pain of a smartass negative quip on their “permanent records.”
        Did you lose your left eye in ‘Nam, Kuwait, Iraq?

        • disqus_HNokd970Ne

          Probably gave it up to ALLAH–ha ha, maybe he’ll get an extra virgin for his sacrifice

          • Richard Vial

            SO ignorant and disrespectful “dicksus”. Do you make fun of disabled veterans when they return to the states? Is that how Christians behave where you’re from?

        • Richard Vial

          Boobie…what an ignorant, hateful statement. As for my students…I invite them to dispute me…learn the facts, discuss, argue a little…reach a better understanding. They are encouraged to develop their own opinion, and express their views. The only comment they get on a permanent record form me is a grade. By the way, students fight to get into my class….because they know my philosophy about developing an educated, knowledgeable mind…I also have a great sense of humor. You guys seem to be so angry. Oh, and as for my eye….I’m a pirate. What a remark to make to a veteran. I bet you sat at home after 911 hating Muslims. I did not, and I have seen atrocities on both sides. You don’t seem to realize…not everything gets on the news.

      • eilismaura

        the command to love thy neighbor as thyself has a very specific not to love thy enemy as it is too easy to love those you like and who love you back

        choices re private school often include faith based ones – so no issues re the ‘right’ religion

        BIG issues at the school in the article re a blatant bias as the program segment included 5 religions.

  • Jodi Shults

    I thought parents still had to sign a permission slip for all field trips. Either they didn’t read what they signed, or it was deceptive in the description. I’m really surprised that this could happen in my home state :(

    • Leah

      Many schools have parents sign a blanket field trip form at the beginning of the school year and just keep it on file. I know, when I taught 2nd grade, we didn’t have to have permission slips for our field trips b/c the students already had one on file with the school district.

      • patsy1715

        No parent should sign a blank list. This is what happens.

        • Richard Vial

          You all don’t even know if that’s how it really happened. Conjecture without supporting facts.

          • Susan Kohler

            Richard, it was conjecture, just a guess, but it makes sense and it does point out the danger of a parent signing a blanket permission slip. I would never sign one, never.

          • HonestToAtee

            They take the Kids anyway, Parents have lost their rights to the Government indoctrination system, remember the news story of the teacher taking away a 1st graders lunch because her Mommy didn’t put approved food in the brown bag? How would that break the bond of the Mother Child relationship? And how would that prepare these babies for their coming rebellion against their parents and their “bad” norms? The big picture!

          • Richard Vial

            I agree with you on that Susan…parents should be told what their students are doing> I would have sent a sheet, mine would have expressed that we are learning the beliefs of other cultures. One story….I once had a Buddhist monk speak to my classes. He demonstrated a mantra, or chant. My students started chanting along. They were just having fun with it, they weren’t asked to do it, they weren’t mocking the speaker…..just chanting. None of them converted, But imagine is someone had used their cellphone and videoed it and released it on YouTube…..”Teacher forces kids to chant Buddhist prayer”.

          • HonestToAtee

            Buzz off already butthead, a Teacher just posted that a blanket form is signed at the beginning of the year. We are on to you VIAL!

          • Richard Vial

            Yup…you’re one of those brave behind a keyboard 1000 miles away, angry “little” people aren’t you “honest”. I will concede the point that a blanket permission slip is a bad idea,…..and parents should not sign them, but they did. This is not how I would have done this experience for my students.

          • patsy1715

            I guess I should have said that ‘if” a parent signs a blank list , this “could/can” happen. I didn’t say it happened in this case.

      • disqus_HNokd970Ne

        That’s not a good idea—that’s how things like this happen where the school decides what is good for our children and pushes the parent in the background..

        • Richard Vial

          If you ever were a teacher you would find that we cannot get parents to show up and take involvement. I have even had problem children’s parents tell me “this is your job, don’t bother me with with what he does at school”. In a perfect world, the field trip would have been more “controlled” as to what could be perceived as preaching and some parents would have been along.

    • Southerngent1555

      I am also shocked. You would think Tennessee teachers would have more sense. It just shows you how far down the road we’ve gone, and how much work it will be to get us back to civilization.

      • Richard Vial

        Hmmm….so, learning about another religion makes you uncivilized? I imagine you want good old southern civil—i —za—tion. Didn’t they have slaves.? and weren’t they Christians? Yes…let’s get back to that….please, are you serious?

        • Susan Kohler

          Boy, you are behind the times. There are 58 million slaves in the world today. Guess what? The vast majority of those slaves are not held by Christians, or by whites for that matter. There are slaves in China, India, Thailand, and several countries in Africa, and some Arabic countries. Sure there were slaves in the south, most owned by whites but some were owned by native Americans, and even by blacks. That obscene practice was ended in this country but thrives around the world.

          • HonestToAtee

            And many cases recently of Muslims holding slaves within the USA too!

          • Richard Vial

            Susan…he said lets’ get “back to civilization”. Yes, and in those days millions of slaves in the Americas were owned by Christians. And I realize that in the current world there are many slaves. For example, the African slaves who pick the cocoa beans for those chocolate chip cookies you are so good at baking. My point was….that we were not very civilized “back” then. Think about civil rights in America only 50 years ago. I imagine Southerngent would have been trying to maintain civilization by standing outside of Little Rock High School protesting racial integration.

          • Susan Kohler

            I do not believe millions of slaves were owned by Christians, members of various Christian churches maybe, but not true Christians, and there is a vast difference. And there is little comparison between civil rights, and accepting Islam as a peaceful religion, when atrocities are posted by the perpetrators on you tube. BTW yes I do bake great chocolate chip cookies, am I to blame for slavery?

        • HonestToAtee

          You suck!!!

          • Richard Vial

            The response of a man whose arguments have lost their content. Should we have a dual?

        • disqus_HNokd970Ne

          Hey, raghead lover–go f yourself, you are one sick puppy..

          • Richard Vial

            You are really showing your ignorance now.

        • patsy1715

          That was then and now is now. No child should be exposed another religion with out the parents permission. Who knows, they may give the ok.

          • eilismaura

            what about separation of church and state?

          • patsy1715

            The thing about seperation of church and state was so that the state (goverment) can’t force a certain religion on it’s citzens. we all have choice of our own making.

          • eilismaura

            yet the phrase/concept is misused regularly to remove some religious items/materials – especially in public schools

            just as nativity scenes and 10 commandments are called to be removed from schools this field trip should never have happened

          • Richard Vial

            You need to look at your state’s curriculum. By the way, your child is exposed o other religions in America daily. What about kids of other religions at their schools. What if they have a Hindu math teacher. And wouldn’t knowledge about other religions possibly lead to a stronger belief in their own. Most of my Christian students believe that it is good deeds that get you into Heaven. Many are surprised when we find out the truth. But I agree…that parental involvement is a good thing.

        • Stephanie Denise Meek

          Just because someone calls themselves Christian does not mean they are so, Slavery is against the teachings of Christ. Although there were ignorant people in the days of slavery who would have tried to argue otherwise ….However you can not equate a religions goodness, or validity to the fact of weather there was slavery involved in its earlier congregation…..If one were to do this all religions would be deemed as “Slave mongers” for there isn’t one nation on this earth that can trace it’s roots back to the beginning and not find slavery involved somewhere, for in the beginning when one nation conquered another they used the conquered nation as slaves….that doesn’t make it right that’s just the way it was…..I know as well that the Quran is mainly against slavery however that doesn’t mean its followers were any better than that of the Southern US slave owners….The Islamic World was a main factor in slavery. After the Muslim conquests of North Africa and most of the Iberian peninsula, the Islamic world became a huge importer of Saqaliba (Slavic) slaves from central and eastern Europe.[30] Islamic law forbade Muslims to enslave fellow Muslims or so-called People of the Book: Christians, Jews, Sabians and Magians, but an exception was made if they were captured in battle. If they converted to Islam, their master was expected to free them as an act of piety, and if they did not, the master had to teach them.[31] However, Muslims did not always treat slaves in accordance with Islamic law.

          • Josh

            Actually the bible teaches slaves to be obedient to their masters. ….I am not condoning slavery, just pointing out a fact. Ephesians Ch6

            6 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise— 3 “so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”[a]

            4 Fathers,[b] do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.

            5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.

            9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

          • Stephanie Denise Meek

            I’ve provided some scripture as well, however I want to point out that Christ was asking for brotherly love between slave and master in the scripture you provided…a brotherly love that once achieved, in my view, compel a master to set their slave free
            Galatians 3:28: “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”

            Philemon 1

            New International Version (NIV)

            1 Paul, a prisoner of Christ Jesus, and Timothy our brother,

            To Philemon our dear friend and fellow worker— 2 also to Apphia our sister and Archippus our fellow soldier—and to the church that meets in your home:

            3 Grace and peace to you[a] from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

            Thanksgiving and Prayer

            4 I always thank my God as I remember you in my prayers, 5 because I hear about your love for all his holy people and your faith in the Lord Jesus. 6 I pray that your partnership with us in the faith may be effective in deepening your understanding of every good thing we share for the sake of Christ. 7 Your love has given me great joy and encouragement, because you, brother, have refreshed the hearts of the Lord’s people.

            Paul’s Plea for Onesimus

            8 Therefore, although in Christ I could be bold and order you to do what you ought to do, 9 yet I prefer to appeal to you on the basis of love. It is as none other than Paul—an old man and now also a prisoner of Christ Jesus— 10 that I appeal to you for my son Onesimus,[b] who became my son while I was in chains. 11 Formerly he was useless to you, but now he has become useful both to you and to me.

            12 I am sending him—who is my very heart—back to you. 13 I would have liked to keep him with me so that he could take your place in helping me while I am in chains for the gospel. 14 But I did not want to do anything without your consent, so that any favor you do would not seem forced but would be voluntary. 15 Perhaps the reason he was separated from you for a little while was that you might have him back forever— 16 no longer as a slave, but better than a slave, as a dear brother. He is very dear to me but even dearer to you, both as a fellow man and as a brother in the Lord.

          • Josh

            Stephanie, the scripture you provide does not refute the bible teaches slaves to be obedient…you even stated yourself that after achieving brotherly love “you” would “hope” one would free their slave. Also a christian pleading for the freedom of a friend does not in any way teach that slavery is wrong. In fact always teaches obiedience to ones master. The scripture your provide states we are all equal In Christ which there are again contradicting versus in the bible even to that fact. However, when referring to earthly masters slaves should always honor and obey. And masters should treat their slaves as sons, daughters, brothers, and sisters.

        • eilismaura

          why should learning about a religion in a public school setting include acting as if one is a member of that religion given all the insistence there must be separation of church and state?

    • Unknown

      She did hand out forms and they were very detailed about the events happening that day.

      • sburr

        I agree.

        • Richard Vial

          A person with some intelligence…thank you

      • patsy1715

        And you know because?

        • Unknown

          i am one of the students.

          • patsy1715

            I’ll take your word. I’m sure we haven’t heard the last of this.

          • eilismaura

            so what is the scoop on why the particular faiths were picked for field trips and the others ignored?

      • eilismaura

        given the whole push for decades about the separation of church and state should this trip have been planned at at ESPECIALLY when so few of the faiths being studied would have a field trip?

    • HonestToAtee

      If you had been paying attention lately you would have read and heard the words of several leftists who believe that Americas Children, “belong to the Collective”. Look up the Common Core curriculum they are filling our Kids heads with, all Progressive pro Islam crap and lies. It distorts the 2nd amendment also.

      • Jim Maughan

        Absolutely agree!! The only real answer is Home-Schooling, only then do we have the ability to guide our children the way WE see fit – not the way the state see it.. Home-School folks…

  • Joanne Parrish

    This is outrageous, and needs to be removed from all our schools. This country was founded as a Christian-Judeo country, so if you are going to teach anything, it needs to be Christian-Judeo principles.

    • Kana60

      So what you’re saying is that the 1st Amendment of the Constitution does not apply?
      Why is Christianity supposed to be the be all and end all religion? After all that is not what Christianity professes.
      There are a number of religions that have been around a lot longer than the “top” three. Perhaps those older religions should be given greater status.
      As far as the field trip, the parents should have been aware of the trip itinerary. I do agree that if at least the top three religions couldn’t have been accommodated than none of the religious sites should have been visited.

      • dedduk

        Because our country was founded on Christian faith~!

        • Southerngent1555

          Not only that, but other religions are allowed exist in this country precisely because we have a Judeo-Christian culture. Look at other countries, and there is little or no freedom for their subjects.

          • Richard Vial

            You need to read more southerngent…..there are plenty of examples of other cultures that allow freedom…and some that don’t. But you are overgeneralizing.

          • HonestToAtee

            Yea, go and try to build a Church in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen etc. Try and kiss your wife or GF in public in Dubai and see how much time you do, and if you are a woman don’t get raped in a Muslim Country, you will need 4 witnesses to the rape saying you didn’t ask for it in order to stay out prison. So take a hike, we are schooled on the savagery of Islam.

          • disqus_HNokd970Ne

            You are a disgusting person, Vial, go push your cause in another country, we don’t want your kind here.

        • Tamaracboy

          Just in case you haven’t read the 1st Amendment, Our Constitution was specifically NOT founded on any religion purposely to keep the playing field level for all religions. YET, some people here think that THEIR religion is superior to their neighbors. How TOTALLY Un-Christian !

          • disqus_HNokd970Ne

            Any religion is better than ISLAM–where they are taught to hate and call everyone else an INFIDEL that has to be killed..

          • Loerps

            But it WAS founded on the bible and the God of the bible. Have you read our founding documents without skimming over the references to these or toured our nation’s capitol with your eyes open?

          • Neroon

            Treaty of Tripoli 1797, unanimous consent by Senate and signed by President John Adams.

            Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

          • Loerps

            It’s interesting that that ONE statement by ONE person is always the one pulled out of mothballs to try and prove we weren’t founded on biblical principal. Notice it says “Christian religion” and not “biblical principal”. The statement was made to smooth the feathers of a Muslim country that we wouldn’t try to force our religion on them.

            There is plenty of evidence that the US was founded on biblical principal. Just a few items are the words Laus Deo (meaning Praise God) at the top of the Washington monument, the mural of Moses and the 10 commandments on the wall of the US Supreme Court chamber, the many carvings of biblical verse on the buildings in Washington D.C. and the many mentions of God in various founding documents and by many of our founding fathers.

        • Dawn Appelberg

          Actually no. The country was founded on freedom. Those who believe the country was founded as a christian country need to really restudy history. Several of the founding fathers were actually atheist!

          • Anonymous

            Actually Dawn, none of the founding fathers were atheist’s – the majority were of the Christian faith. That’s a myth that has been perpetuated for quite some time using old political attack ads – mostly about Thomas Paine. There is plenty of evidence out there that refutes this claim.

          • Dawn Appelberg

            It is a misnomer of the time. Most of them were actually Dietists, and were lumped by the more purist “christian” into the atheistic realm as they all (for the most part) believes church and state were exclusive to ensure more freedom of expression for all.

          • Dawn Appelberg

            The fact is they were Purists…as I have stated earlier I retracted the verbiage used. They did not want to have religion and politics interchanging as it was one of the reasons the colonists left in the first place from England. Many of the colonists were still LOYAL to King George!

      • DixieAngel_76

        You are obviously ignorant of what Christianity professes, but that’s not my point. What bothers me is that there have been so many attempts to squelch any expressions of Christian faith among students today, and yet they force this muslim garbage on kids on school time. You know as well as everyone else that if the students had been taken to a Church or Synagogue and given any Christian or Jewish literature all hell would have broken loose. The ACLU and the media would have been all over it. But let muslims do it, and not a peep from our ‘watch dogs’. Religion is a very personal matter and should be left up to the parents alone. The schools have absolutely no business butting in!

        • Kana60

          Regardless which religious institution the children were taken to there would have been an outcry. I do agree that as a teaching lesson that as many religions should have been included. I do believe the school made a poor decision to not inform parents as religion is a sensitive subject and people believe their religion is the one and only. Which is fine they are entitled to their opinion, and I agree that there has been an effort to downplay the christian faith. However that is where out 1st Amendment Right comes in we are free to worship as we see fit. Just don’t tell me that what ever religion I choose or don’t is wrong. I also recognize that our laws are based on religious values as that is where many laws originate.

          • sburr

            AMEN!!!

          • Richard Vial

            The only fault I see is that they did not provide equal representation….but how can you even discuss modern politics without an understanding of religious motivation……your philosophy is that if it is not your point of view…no point of view is better.

          • eilismaura

            only fault? this was an epic fail on all counts

          • eilismaura

            1st amendment applies here? was this about academics or conversion?

          • Kana60

            it applies to the first post saying if you going to teach something it should only be one thing. I took this to mean that the original poster was saying christianity is the supreme religion and no other religion is relevant. The 1st Amendment give us the Right to worship what ever religion we chose. No one has the Right to tell you which religion you should or should not worship.I reject the thinking that any religion is superior to another. It’s the practices that individuals or groups impose on others that I find offensive. People can believe what they want. But when their actions become criminal or infringe on others then individualgroup should be held accountable.
            I think the primary concern with this article has to do with blanket (open ended) permission slips and that parents may or may not have been aware of the specifics with this field trip.

          • eilismaura

            no one said folks could not believe what they wanted re faith

            it is all about the issue of how faith(s) were being “taught” in that school

            1st amendment was NOT ever an issue in the article or in this thread

          • eilismaura

            no one says one cannot practice the faith of their choice – no one attacked 1st amendment rights

            as far as what the school was TEACHING some have called for focus on judeo Christian as it does reflect much of what went into the founding of this nation

            MOST object to one faith being handled differently than the others being “studied” – if there are cost issues why have this kind of field trip and why this faith (given current events especially)

        • Richard Vial

          “Muslim garbage”…not to hard to see your point of view. I would say most world religion classes cover Christianity. I do, a Christian minister once handed out Bibles….no watchdogs or press attacked us. And a Jewish rabbi came…gave out literature…no Nazis appeared. And do most parents sit down and teach their children about would cultures and religion. They usually just give them a general attitude of how to analyze truth and seek enlightenment…but some teach hate and ignorance. Hmmm…wonder what kind of “garbage” your children read?

          • Richard Vial

            Oh…I missed the “Dixie” part of your name…so that answers a lot of questions for me. However, the angel part seems to need reconsideration.

          • Stephen Hammock

            Go to bed Rich. You have school tomorrow

          • Tamaracboy

            Richard, Been reading some of your replies, THANK YOU for taking on the battle for intelligence over Cretinism. You won’t possibly win the war of words here, but they have already lost the moral war for lack of ammunition.

      • jayleigh

        Islam has NOT been around longer than Judaism or Christianity. Regardless, if the class is a comparative religions class – as it was advertised – then they other two major religions should not have been ignored. One major flaw in this program is teaching the lie that Muslims treat non-Muslims with respect. My goodness!!! Historic Christian churches dating back to the first century have recently been destroyed and the people murdered! This is happening all over the middle eastern world! Separation of church and state does not mean that a comparative religions class can not be taught as a part of world history, but it is obvious that the writers of this curriculum had motives other than truth about Islam in mind when they took the students there, but not to a Christian church or a Jewish synagogue – that is what makes it a farce.

        And yes, it is now common for schools to just have the parents sign one field trip permission slip that covers the full year. THAT should give parents a serious pause and they should demand to have an opt-out of any field trip they do not deem appropriate for their child/children. If i still had children in the public school system, i would NEVER sign a blanket field trip permission slip and i would want DETAILS about each field trip planned and the right to opt my child out of any or all of them!

        Contrary to what the NEA thinks, children DO NOT belong to the STATE! And parents must take an active role in the education of their children in the public school system. i taught school for years, and i paid careful attention to what was going on with my own children in the school system.

        • Kana60

          I realize that Islam was founded after Judaism and Christianity. All three are also based on the God of Abraham so in effect they all worship the same God although their teachings are vastly different. I do agree that not including a Christian Church or Jewish Synagogue was a mistake and in a class on World Religions that a greater sampling should have been included.
          I also agree that the “blanket” permission slip gives the school to much leeway and if it’s not already a procedure, parents should be inform of the content of all field trips. Obviously someone was aware of the trip as the article mentions “Costs” prevented them from including more venues. So who was paying for the trip? Was this purely funded by the school district or did parents have to contribute to the expense?

          • David in Dallas

            I don’t necessarily agree that the Islam Allah is the same as the God of Abraham; the pronouncements are much too different to have originated from the same source. Any course on World Religions should include Judaism, Christianity (probably several forms), Islam, Buddhism, Taoism, Shintoism, Hinduism, and possibly Zoroastrianism (still practiced in Iran–or at least was in 1971). I have probably missed a couple that should also be included.

          • Tamaracboy

            Please read at least ONE book. All three religions ARE based on the “God of Abraham” ! AND, Quran even talks about Moses and Jesus. Oh, the HYPOCRISY of ignorance.

          • eilismaura

            and the Quran – like the book Mormon – simply uses Moses and Jesus as characters – changing significant points –

            and creating serious questions regarding whether Islam is based on the God of Abraham – the same way the claim that Mormons are a part of Christianity is a stretch

          • disqus_HNokd970Ne

            Why are they teaching about religion in schools anyway. All this time Christianity could not be taught or allowed, Let’s not stand for ISLAM in our schools, our country or in the world. They are fascists pigs and don’t deserve our consideration.

          • HonestToAtee

            You are a fool, you need to learn what “allahu akbhar” means, they ARE NOT referring to the same God as the God of Abraham.
            The God of Abraham would never allow what Islam calls for, butchering, beheading, raping, child rape, Taqqiya etc etc.

        • Richard Vial

          I agree that there should have been equal time given to some other major religions…Christianity,,,Hinduism…Buddhism….as well as Islam…these are the top 4 would religions. I do disagree with your generalizing about Muslim treatment of Christians…there’s been bad behavior in both camps. Maybe you should read about the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition and the Reconquesta before being too judgmental. I try to teach students to seek the truth……when it comes to religion I carefully state that they should be aware of bias and culture when analyzing information. Too bad that the solution here seem to be…teach them nothing.

          • Susan Kohler

            Muslims started the Crusades, but yes Christians are not perfect and Christianity has had what you call bad behavior, however most of that behavior is hundreds of years in the past, and as a group most of the Christian faith has repented of those practices; Muslims are killing Christians and committing acts of terror today. they are subjugating women today. They marry off little girls to old men today.They use young boys, or thigh (Masturbate between a young girls thighs) young girls today. And that’s what I care about–how they treat non-muslims and women today, not in the middle ages, today.

          • eilismaura

            the Christian crusades came after the Muslim ones

            we know there are Muslims openly slaughtering Christians now in some countries — we don’t have to look to the past

        • Tamaracboy

          And you think “Christians” have treated people with respect? They can’t even respect other Christians. Remember the Crusades? Most of the battles were against other Christians. Remember the Inquisition, Remember WW I and WW II both Christian on Christian. Guarantee “Christians” have killed more Christians in the name of Christ than ANY Muslim has.
          Do the math, and LEARN something, anything, please.
          PS: And, I bet when you taught, you infused impressionable young minds with your own brand of prejudice and bigotry as you evidence here

          • eilismaura

            Tamarac – Muslims do not kill in the name of Christ

            Atheists/Agnostics have the highest body count when it comes to who has killed the most people in history (and atheists have been pushing to be seen as being part of a ‘religion’ here in the US)

            And Islamic crusades predate Christian crusades

        • HonestToAtee

          Hoorah, finally someone speaking the truth here.

          Thank you.

      • Unknown

        AMEN!

      • HonestToAtee

        Because we reject Islam and the Sharia which is non conforming to our Bill of Rights and our Constitution!

      • eilismaura

        Judeo Christian images etc are regularly removed from public schools – why should Islamic ones be introduced. Text books and maybe speakers brought in to supplement – but field trips to some but not all faiths studied is not appropriate

    • dedduk

      Agreed!

    • Tamaracboy

      Oh, by ALL means keep our children in the dark ages. God forbid that they don;t learn your Bigotry and Prejudices. Just can’t have them actually learning ANYTHING

  • Classictouchoc

    What was not Told nor shown where the forced 6 year old child Brides are raped and left bleeding to death, others murdered. How their cult is all about rape insest, abuse and beheadings, hmmm…

    • CapeConservative

      Or the beheadings of Christians who refused to convert to Islam!

      • Ghost11111111

        They never beheaded a christian for refusing to convert to Islam. Christians killed people to convert to their religion. Even in America with the hero Christopher Columbus.

        • jayleigh

          Oh my goodness! You are either totally ignorant or willfully a fool! An American of Iranian decent is in prison in Iran and has been for a full year because he refuses to renounce Christianity! The ancient Christian churches have been bombed and the members murdered! Islam is NOT a religion of peace and these little visits to mosques with gifts of qurans is NOT just an educational experience. It is a first step to indoctrination. i have a friend who was raised Muslim, and she is now in hiding because she left Islam. You need to read the history of Mohommed, the history of Islam and you will see what a bloody religion it is. Read, “Kite Runner” written by a man who was raised Islam – you will see what kind of a religion this is! Americans are not being told the truth about this barbaric religion that thrives on jihad! Jihad is a command of the Quran! i can’t believe after 9-11-01, Benghazi, the airline bombings, the destruction of churches in Syria by Jihadists, that you still think there are no beheadings or forced conversions! Do you live under a rock????

          • Ghost11111111

            Your first point about the Christian in prison…..Bordbar, who has been detained since December 27, 2012, received a five-year jail sentence for ‘membership of an anti-security organization’ and an additional five years for ‘gathering with the intent to commit crimes against Iranian national security,’ according to published court documents. He was accused of some serious charges. Your information that you stated came from a bias source http://www.churchinchans.com, persecution.org, and others.
            Which ancient churches have been bombed by Muslims? The only ones i can think of are the gang members in Nigeria or the Protestant bombing ancient Catholic Churches in Northern Ireland.
            Now you are accusing the School board of indoctrinating students? Why is it that you are the only one that sees it that way and the school board and parents dont? Those people that claim they left islam are either lying to make money or are christian extremists disguised as muslims for the sake of publishing a book like that. How come 2.4 billion muslims today are happy and following the religion? Are you saying they are all stupid zombies? Your the one basing your evidence on OTHER PEOPLES OPINION. What did I say about doing that? Did I not say that you cant do that? Jihad means “to struggle” to struggle for doing good, to struggle against yourself and your desires, a struggle to get into heaven through good deeds. Not violence. There is controversy on who actually was responsible for 9/11, a lot of people are pointing their fingers at your government for masterminding Benghazi (look it up), and the airline bombers were actually on the CIA payroll working for federal agents. There are 2.4 billion muslims in the world and they are all around you. Im sure if they were as evil as you say they are then planet earth would not exist anymore because they would make it shatter like a glass vase. But thats not the case is it? Its funny how the camera lense only shows you regions of the world that we have an interest in. FIX DETROIT MICHIGAN BEFORE YOU FIX SYRIA.

          • D-man

            They have destroyed thousand year old churches of the coptic Christians as well as crucified coptics and levy a protection tax ,a Quran creation,so they won’t be attacked until the Muslims decide its OK.Coptic women raped,children murdered .You really should get out from the veil of willful stupidity.

          • Richard Vial

            +D-man…read more…write less. You are overgeneralizing> There is a history of atrocities in many religions….and yes, especially the Christians……but wouldn’t you agree …the actions of the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Conquest of the Americas….does not make all Christians bad?

          • eilismaura

            Agnostics/atheists have the highest body count in history of atrocities

          • diane

            amen to the above…..honestly people have the ability to research islam themselves. plenty of information out there and yet….turning a blind eye has been the status quo. sad – this is how indoctrination occurs so easily – people are not informed because they don’t want to know or don’t care!

          • Richard Vial

            Diane….we teach the students because they don’t “teach themselves”. One third of Americans still believe President Obama is a Muslim. Under your pretext….why don’t we just let children stay home and teach themselves without guidance.

          • Loerps

            But he IS Muslim. He stated that if push came to shove that he would side with Muslims. He also cancelled the national day of prayer and then invited Muslims to pray on the White House lawn. And that’s just a start. Given all the evidence, anyone who can still deny that he is Muslim has lost all credibility.

          • eilismaura

            do you have an explanation why his administration has issued a multi million dollar bounty for enemies of ISLAM?

            when did we get into defending a faith?

          • Richard Vial

            Yes, many inhumanities have been committed by nations claiming to be practicing he beliefs of Islam….many Muslims hot in those countries condemn them as not acting as a good Muslim. You are overgeneralizing based on the behavior of a few Middle Eastern nations claiming to practice the beliefs of Islam. The majority of Muslims live in Southeast Asia. Also…lets talk about Christians who, in history, have not acted in a Christian manner….read about the Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition and the Conquest of the Americans…….lots of atrocities committed by the “good Christians”.

        • D-man

          No …they cut off their hands and feet ,stone them ,crucify them,cut off their heads,and are masters of torture.You sir are woe fully ignorant of history and facts.Muslims murder people who draw cartoons that depict Mohammed in a bad light.And if you have noticed atheists love to attack Christians but don’t dare poke their obtuse little noses in Islam’s direction,they don’t want to be murdered and /or lose family members.

          • Ghost11111111

            Learn from Islam itself instead of what other people say about it. The Jews have the same laws as far as cutting off hands and stoning people. It is rarely implemented in the Muslim puppet governments around the world. Muslims love God and his prophets a lot and take it seriously when someone says disrespectful things about it. Does it not make you curious when you see so many Muslims so passionate and so touched by when someone makes fun of God or their prophet? Its because they really believe in the message. The same message that was revealed to Jesus, Abraham, Noah, and everyone else…to worship the one true god

          • Richard Vial

            thanks Ghost…………

          • eilismaura

            maybe you know – what Jewish communities practice cutting off of hands and stone people today?

          • eilismaura

            what Jewish communities practice cutting off of hands and stone people today?

          • Richard Vial

            D-man. Again….read more. If you want to read about “masters of torture” read about the Catholic priests who conducted the Spanish Inquisition. I especially fancy the idea of you personally experiencing the “pear of agony”….hmmm…but where shall we put it?

          • David Anton

            The only difference I see in your comparisons to religious attrocities are drawn from The Crusades of the Middle Ages, and the Spanish Inquisition which happened in the 15th century – society as a whole has come a long way since then, but the atrocities we see coming from Muslim fanatics are present-day which would lead many to believe that they are living in the dark ages. Having said that, your comparisons can only be as flawed as the contrasts that were not available to the students. Going back to the syllabus that was presented- if you can call it that at all – it appears that the comparisons were not originally Christians or Jews against Muslims, but sounded more to be an unfair, biased comparison between Islam and what was corrected by the Civil War and the 60′s Civil Rights movement – hardly appropriate, except for what might be considered more anti-american in nature, than a comparative analysis between religions and their beliefs. Totally inappropriate and stinking of bias. Why wasn’t The Nanking Massacre or Nanjing Massacre, also known as the Rape of Nanking drawn as a comparison?
            Seems to be a put-down of American society more than anything else – cleverly orchestrated.

          • D-man

            Richard ,the inqusition was 600 years ago ,and like all liberals you confuse catholicism and Christianity.This is present day happening now ,I relish the idea of the slow removal of your muddled head by small sawing of a dull knife by your buddies.

          • Loerps

            Does the fact that you have to repeatedly go all the way back to the Spanish inquisition to find examples against Christianity tell you anything? It should. Also, the Catholic church, especially in those days, was the WORST example of Christianity imaginable.

          • eilismaura

            why do you ignore the atrocities committed by atheists/agnostics?

            why the do you prefer to bash Christians by ignoring the biggest offenders?

        • Susan Kohler

          Christopher Columbus was never in America and was not American. And they post it on you tube when they behead Christians. But yes, hundreds of years ago Christian did evil things in the name of the church. Update: We’ve changed, now we just pray for you, if you don’t convert.

        • eilismaura

          Today in syria Coptic Christians have been killed – one reason is for just being a Coptic Christian – and some for refusing to convert -

      • Unknown

        You can not convert to islam, but you can practice it.

        • Ghost11111111

          You can convert and you can practice it. In fact its called “re-verting” to Islam because Muslims believe that everyone is born Muslim (innocent and pure)

    • Vlad99

      Ever heard of the Inquisition?

      • Richard Vial

        Vlad….a person who has read, thanks for the brief bit of light on this page.

    • Tamaracboy

      Nobody before has brought up the Mormons. That is who you are talking about ? Or just other Tennessee practices?

  • Ghost11111111

    Its not brainwashing. They are visiting other peoples religion. They are having an open mind. They are building the bridge to Unity and Peace in America. They are programming in the kids a “sense of community” versus planting seeds of hate like you christian extremists want. Islam is not a bad religion.

    • Vross

      “Programming” is the one accurate word in your entire post.

      • Ghost11111111

        According to who? Ur Opinions? Where is your evidence against them? Before “stereo-type conclusions” are made about another religion or culture, it is important to get all the facts and examine them in light of the “particular” situation. Generalizing from samples of populations we declared war on, Observing Past events and trying to link a “pattern” by manipulating variables is called “inferential statistics” also know as The “Illusion” of knowledge. Be Careful when you draw conclusions from sources that have implied connections and misleading information like the news that is owned by a few corporations. We get our knowledge by reading and looking beyond the pointed fingers of accusation. It is how Beauty Blossoms, emitting oxygen to those around it

        • Vross

          According to your own post. You said “programming”, not I.

          Something tells me you would be very offended had they been taken to a church of synagogue.

          • Ghost11111111

            Oh No, I encourage it. Let them see different people, let them challenge their perceptions and broaden their horizon. We are supposed to be the greatest nation on earth. Why not have an open mind?

          • Vross

            Sure ya would.

          • therobe

            Did you mean “vacant” mind?

          • Richard Vial

            So…”therobe” would rather have ignorance than light. Perhaps you should read what the Bible says about darkness and light…it says bring it into the light…not stay in darkness. The light is knowledge, darkness is ignorance. An open mind seeks the truth through knowledge…..

          • DixieAngel_76

            And so, an ‘open mind’ means tolerating lies being told to students? Muslim societies do NOT have a history of treating other cultures better than America does. Here in America immigrants get foodstamps, welfare, free housing, medical care, free, free, free, and all at the expense of the good old American taxpayer. In muslim societies people that don’t toe the line are thrown in prison, hanged or beheaded. Women are murdered in so-called ‘honor killings’ if they get raped, often by their own family members. How is that treating people better than America does?

          • Richard Vial

            Read more Dixie…..please

          • Richard Vial

            oh…and travel too…..somewhere outside of the deep south.

          • Tamaracboy

            Richard, re-think that. The world already has a less than favorable opinion of us, and she could only worsen that.

          • Tamaracboy

            This is one more evidence of your ignorance and prejudice. Under the muslims, the Jews in Spain were respected and revered. This changed with the Reconquista when the Christians focibly converted, killed, tortured, and expelled the Jews. IF you learned the first thing, you just might learn the second thing and so until you achieve wisdom (but not likely)

          • patsy1715

            Only with parental permissiom for the particuliar outing.

          • SharonKT

            IF…”Ghost” wants to learn the truth about Islam, he/she should go to: http://www.politicalislam.com There are numerous excellent and easy to read resources about Islam on this site. However, I don’t think “Ghost” is interested in the truth. Supporters of Islam aren’t. After all, the Quran TEACHES that it’s alright to lie!!!

          • Ghost11111111

            islamnewsroom.com is better. Look, I dig deeper to find the sources of understanding. Because I am interested in the truth.

          • SharonKT

            I’m not going to engage in a “one upsmanship” game with you. It’s evident you are either muslim or a willing shill of Islam. Either way, it is of no consequence to me. I’m content to let you live in your quagmire of ignorance. I’m also not interested in any of your Islamic tripe and propaganda. If you crave having the last word, feel free to respond to this message. I have better things to do with my time. John 3:16

          • WileyPost

            Please be aware that the “peaceful” Muslim preaches the tenents of Christianity, without the Christ. This all sounds good until you look at their actions and not their words. Jesus preached peace, MLK preached peace, Muhammad and Farrakhan preach death to the infidels.

          • SharonKT

            Thank you for your reply. Your comments are very accurate. Rest assured I am well educated on the topic of Islam.

          • Richard Vial

            Sharon…..who was Abu Bakr?

          • Richard Vial

            Wiley….most Muslims do not agree with what you are saying. Question to you……have you read the Qur’an? or the Bible?

          • Richard Vial

            Sharon…I am a Christian. You obviously only love they neighbor if he is Christian and agrees with you. Anything that is not what you want, in your mind, is ignorance. A closed mind.

          • SharonKT

            I see. And just from the comments I’ve posted, you know ALL about me. Hmmm, sounds like you are judging me. Judge not, lest ye be judged. NOW…I will not be responding to any more comments. First of all, responding to them is a waste of time. Second of all, I have neither the time nor the inclination to continue. Form whatever opinions which make you feel good about yourself. I have more important things to do.

          • jayleigh

            OK – in 1980 i had a very memorable experience with a Muslim who was studying at a major university. He was here getting his doctorate. He asked me if i would type his doctoral thesis and correct the grammar, punctuation, etc., because he wasn’t sure his English was that good. i thought it would be an interesting cultural exchange since i’ve always had close friends from China, India, Korea, Africa, etc., so he said he would pay me $100 for the work. That was very good money in 1980 and i agreed to do it. When i completed the work, he asked me to bring it to him at his house and celebrate the ending of Ramadan with him and his family. He suggested i bring my children along. i thought this would be a good way for them to learn about another culture. The food was good. His wife served us and then she and her toddler daughter ate in the kitchen. i asked him about that and he said, “Women don’t eat with the men.” I pointed out that i am a woman and my daughter was with us at table as well as my son. He gave me this wry smile and said, “Yes, tonight you are eating at table with me, and I suppose you think I am now going to hand over the $100 we agreed upon. Well, I just have a little word for you. I am NOT going to pay you for the work, and when Islam takes over America, I hope I will be the one to slit your throat if you do not convert.”

            Needless to say, my children and i left muy pronto, and i was ever so thankful he did not have my home address or phone number; all he had was my work address.

            But, nothing i say, or any experiences i have had will change your mind; that’s obvious. So, blunder on in your delusion that Islam is a religion of peace and that Muslim don’t persecute anyone for not submitting to Islam.

          • snowmaggedoned

            Whoa!! You’re lucky you all got out of there with your lives!!

            What a prick!!!

          • Ghost11111111

            He was probably a drug dealer to tell you that. This guys was probably Spanish. I dont believe your story.

          • Loerps

            So everybody with an opinion different than yours is a liar? Do you realize how far this lowers your credibility?

          • Ghost11111111

            Teaching another person about another persons religion from something you heard from another person lowers your credibility. I am simply relaying evidence straight from the source (Islam) you are attacking.

          • Richard Vial

            Sharon…you are grasping at partial truths. using your argument I could state that the Bible says its ok to kill. And Sharon…in the Old Testament world you would not be allowed to speak because you are a woman.

        • Betty4440

          there is no beauty in islam because the muslim kill any thing that has any beauty, even little baby’s. all muslims that follow islam and live by the qur’an. kills all beauty. look at the muslim country where is the beauty? and there is no fun in islam. lies,lies, and more lies.

          • Ghost11111111

            Thats your opinion. Islam came to confirm three things to the Christians. 1. God is one and only. 2. There is a day of judgement. 3. We are all equal, men and woman, black and white. Muslims believe Christians, Jews and others who believe in God and do good deeds will go to heaven with the Muslims. Muslims believe in the gospels being revealed to Jesus christ and they do believe the torah was revealed to Moses. Read the quran and you will see the similarities and the beauty in it. 1/3 of the world praying at the same time shoulder to shoulder, bowing down together in unison worshiping the one and only God.

          • therobe

            That’s YOUR opinion.

          • Ghost11111111

            My opinion based on facts, not based on opinions from an Extremist Christian Online Source Full of Bias and Speculation.

          • Betty4440

            you forgot say allah. in your eyes.

          • Tamaracboy

            So Ignorant as to not even know any other languages OR cultures. Allah means God means Dios means Gott, means Dieu, means Dio, etc.
            One concept, one entity, many languages.

          • WileyPost

            You should reflect on #3; if we are all equal; why does Islam fight against “infidel”s? Why can’t other religions be preached in Muslim countries at the risk of beheadding? or are some religions more “equal” than others? Are Muslim women equal in Islam? Really? Muslims believe in Jesus and the New Testament? Really? I think your efforts would be better spent in trying to convert Musims over to your sect of Islam, rather than trying to convince “infidels” that Islam is something it is not.

          • Ghost11111111

            It is tho. Look it up. Evidence is right there… a few clicks with your mouse and you will have access to millions of documents. In a time where woman were abused and mistreated, Islam came and liberated them, and gave them rights. Muslims believe God revealed the Gospels to Jesus Son of Mary. Muslims say that the Christians distorted some facts in their book but that there is truth in it. God sent the same message he has always been sending to a people. Which is worship the one god. Submit to the way of God. This is Islams message. The same message given to Jesus, Moses, Abraham, John the Baptist, Joseph, Noah, Adam and more. And Islam puts the blame more on Adam than eve for approaching the forbidden tree in heaven.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K581hIm6L78

            Here is a source from an Honest Christian man. With an open heart and a looking for a sincere connection with his creator.

          • DixieAngel_76

            There won’t be any muslims in Heaven, unless they repent, renounce Islam for the false religion that it is, and worship Jesus as the one and only way to eternal salvation.

          • Ghost11111111

            We worship the one that breathed life into Mary. The one Jesus cried to on the cross “why have you forsaken me?” The one that created Jesus. The one who will send Jesus back at the end of times to finish his message. Muslims believe that Jesus is alive. They say that when Jodis came with the roman soldiers and came to hug and kiss Jesus, the angel Gabriel came down and knocked all the soldiers on their backs…then God made Jodis look like Jesus and Angel Gabriel took Jesus ALIVE into heaven where he awaits the day to come back and finish his message. Muslims believe that Jodis was the one crucified. Muslims pray to the God Jesus prayed to.

          • snowmaggedoned

            No….Muslims pray to their Moon God. They do not pray to the one and only God, Jehovah / Yahweh.

          • Ghost11111111

            Where did you get this moon god crap from? They dont pray to a moon god. They pray to Jehovah/Yahweh. Even the Christian Arabs Call Him Allah. You sure know your information dont you. I swear to God you are lying. LOOK IT UP.

          • snowmaggedoned
          • Ghost11111111

            Those are bias sources. Its funny you bring up those links. I can provide you with hundreds more links that prove the opposite.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23vQMwXPXbk

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam

            Its funny how my wikepedia source says something different than yours.

            Why dont you “troll” these sites I provided. :)

          • snowmaggedoned

            Why don’t you go back to Saudi Arabia where you will fit in more comfortably than on this site?

            I and 99% of the posters on this site consider every link you have provided as biased, also.

            If you haven’t figured it out…..you and your Jihadi Muslim views are not welcome here nor viewed as important.

          • Ghost11111111

            What makes you think Im Saudi or Muslim? Did one of your websites that you are using as evidence tell you so? Life is temporary. We come and we go. Dust in the wind. You cant fight Islam. You cant fight God. You cant fight the one that fashioned you in the womb of your mother, and fashioned the very earth you walk on.

          • snowmaggedoned

            Can’t you take a hint or are you really that stupid???

            Go away, jerk!!

          • Tamaracboy

            Proof !

          • Ghost11111111

            Heres your child molester explanation

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2bmq-7GXgI

          • snowmaggedoned

            Who cares????

            Go away, you bore us all.

          • Tamaracboy

            How tolerant, did Jesus teach you to be so hateful ?

          • JKGusicas

            Jesus is nothing but a prophet to Islam. You’re bending a bent story further. Jesus is the Son of God. This is not accepted by Islam. Jesus, not Jodis was crucified. And rose from the dead and appeared to over 500 people in his risen body. Jesus, as the Son of God, spoke “the only path to the Father is thru Me”.
            The attempt to establish the 1st Caliphate is indicative of the true heart of Islam. You and others can choose to ignore it and candy coat it with what is all good, but Allah and Yahweh are not the same. God is unchanging.
            Can’t fit both molds.

          • Ghost11111111

            The bible says the lord is one. Jesus even said that as one of his “most important commandments” Jesus being God was voted on in the capital of Necia in 325 CE. Jesus is a messiah, a prophet, a messenger in Islam not a God. Just like our father Adam was created with no parents. Why dont we say Adam is the son of god? Also if Jesus did indeed rise from the “dead” than he was not crucified. Because to be crucified you have TO BE KILLED. The bible is the word of God no doubt, but there are some, SOME, contradictions here and there. But I do accept the bible as true and I do accept the Quran as true.

          • Tamaracboy

            AND, this exact hatred and prejudice will keep you out of any Heaven, Ms. Un-Christian. Just go look at what Jesus (remember HIM?) said about people like you.

          • Steven Shearon

            Sorry you have been deceived by a false prophet. Jesus is the way, truth and the life. John 3:16

          • Alon Rosen

            ~Good Good Friends~

            Please read carefully, for saving your souls and your children souls.

            and if you are not a believers,

            so your children body and mind.

            Let me teach you something about Islam fellas… that this islamist deceiver won’t tell you.

            Islamists, by their Kuran may use lies, in a matter to achieve political/jihadist goals. They even have a name for it in arabic, “Al-Taqyya”(you may google it)!

            First, when they are weak, they are nice.

            Then, when they are feeling strong,

            it’s your throat – or your freedom?

            Means – convert to Islam or die

            (or at least pay for your life with money or with your daughter innocence

            if they are “nice”).

            You may check all the above in books about the Kuran… you can find yourself those satanic kuranic pharses, by google it.

            Now to tackle his lies easily… about “equality of gender in the Islam”.

            1)Muhamad – the “prophet” and the leader of the Islam “married” Eisha when she was 6 and “made sex”(rape) her when she was 9.

            ~that’s equality by the islamists~

            2)Muhamad – murdered young safya’s whole family and then “married” her too

            ~that’s equality by the islamists~

            3)Islamist males can marry four wives.

            muslim females can’t do the same.

            ~that’s equality by the Islamists~

            4)Not to mention the equality regarding gays now days in arab countries – death or jail.(even as a straight, it hurts me)..

            Well, there are more “Islamic Equalities”,

            but i guess it would be enough
            for this time.

            Alon Rosen

            alonrose@hotmail.com

          • Ghost11111111

            Taqqiyah is when a person is faced with a life or death situation they can say what they need to to avoid their family being tortured or themselves being killed. Christians do worse on the corner late at night when their pimps threaten to kill them for their prostitution adventures. They will lie to get out of being beat up by their pimps while their cross on their neck glows from the reflection of the florescent street lamp.

          • Alon Rosen

            ~Good Good Friends~

            Please read carefully, for saving your souls and your children souls.

            and if you are not a believers,

            so your children body and mind.

            Let me teach you something about Islam fellas… that this islamist deceiver won’t tell you.

            Islamists, by their Kuran may use lies, in a matter to achieve political/jihadist goals. They even have a name for it in arabic, “Al-Taqyya”(you may google it)!

            First, when they are weak, they are nice.

            Then, when they are feeling strong,

            it’s your throat – or your freedom?

            Means – convert to Islam or die

            (or at least pay for your life with money or with your daughter innocence

            if they are “nice”).

            You may check all the above in books about the Kuran… you can find yourself those satanic kuranic pharses, by google it.

            Now to tackle his lies easily… about “equality of gender in the Islam”.

            1)Muhamad – the “prophet” and the leader of the Islam “married” Eisha when she was 6 and “made sex”(rape) her when she was 9.

            ~that’s equality by the islamists~

            2)Muhamad – murdered young safya’s whole family and then “married” her too

            ~that’s equality by the islamists~

            3)Islamist males can marry four wives.

            muslim females can’t do the same.

            ~that’s equality by the Islamists~

            4)Not to mention the equality regarding gays now days in arab countries – death or jail.(even as a straight, it hurts me)..

            Well, there are more “Islamic Equalities”,

            but i guess it would be enough for this time.

          • Ghost11111111

            Your information is incorrect. What sources are you deriving your information from? Are they bias sources? Are they sources that believe in a different faith? Why dont you go to Islam itself to learn about it instead of through filtered lenses of others.

          • Alon Rosen

            I have studied the matter – my information is absolutely correct, in thick and in in thin.

            Quit lie to the people in the name of your diabolical Islam. If you don’t like what I have said, it’s not because I did say something wrong(because all base on facts), but because you are ashamed of those proven facts… But still brainwashed enough to spread your Islamic jihad.
            Even when the facts are just horrible.

            Guys: you may learn more here… Black on white… http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/childbrides.htm#s2

            Or you may google it yourself and match the truth, regarding Muhammad and regarding all the other facts about the danger of the brutal, deadly, savage, throat-cutting(by means) islam.

          • Ghost11111111

            I am not saying the bible is wrong. Muslims believe in the bible as being the Word of God. In fact you cant be Muslim without believing in the Gospels being revealed to Jesus.
            Guys: Check out this site to see evidence like black on rice. And compare it to the other guys link and make a decision for yourselves. http://www.islamnewsroom.com

            Thank You and have a good night.

            Peace

          • JKGusicas

            How can you believe in the Bible and not believe in Jesus Christ being the Son of God? The Quran and the Bible CANNOT be reconciled, unless of course you ‘interpret’ the Bible in ways that fit, and ignore it when it doesn’t.

            Rev 22:18-19 defies Islam. Where in the Bible does it speak of the Quran, nor of Mohamed. But yet, they are to be somehow not in conflict with the word of God?

          • Ghost11111111

            The bible does not say Jesus is God. In dueteronomy and other books it states clearly of the coming of a prophet from the brothers of the jews named Mohmet. Muslims love Christians. I promise you. A person cant be a Muslim if they do not believe in the Bible as a true revelation from God. Muslims and Christians are closer than you think. Look into it. Go to http://www.islamnewsroom.com

          • JKGusicas

            John 1:1 says that “the Word was God.” John 1:14 says that “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us” This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “…Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. Acts 20:28 declares that God purchased the church with His own blood.

            Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14 (written: 712 BC (Before Christ)

            Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Matthew 1:23

            John 14:6 “Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”

            Among others.
            Islam and Christianity are only similar for those (such as yourself) that wish to justify their belief by attempting to redefine God, Jesus and the Trinity. Allah is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jesus is not a prophet.

            Should you dare actually study the Bible, within its context, and the Greek translation which is more accurate than English, you cannot draw the conclusion you draw.

            But that would force you to rethink your belief and unless you are prepared to do so, the exercise would be fruitless.

          • JKGusicas

            Furthermore:
            John the Baptist testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’”…

            As I said, you have to go way out of your way to interpret the Bible in a manner that does not indicate Jesus is the Son of God and part of the Trinity of God, and therefor IS God. And because of the interwoven tapestry that is the Bible, you throw out this very core of God and His promise, His sacrifice and the definition of who He is, yet somehow try to lay claim that Muslims believe what is written in the Bible, only they add to it, that’s entirely a preposterous position to accept.

            The Gospel message is the entirety of the New Testament. It is impossible to discount Jesus and claim the book is not hogwash. Either you accept Him for what He says He is, or you have to say he is a lunatic. You can’t lay your own definition and define Him as it fits within your Muslim belief. It doesn’t work.

          • David in Dallas

            If Muslims believe that men and women are equal, why do they not practice their belief? It is apparent to anyone not blind that their women are chattels.

          • Ghost11111111

            Some treat their woman like that. Its culture. People will follow a culture over religion sometimes. Just because a person is Muslim does not mean they are perfect. Its just like a Priest being in a position at church, yet he will molest little boys.

          • JKGusicas

            “Muslims believe in the gospels being revealed to Jesus Christ ”

            Jesus Christ IS the GOSPEL message. Islam is not near Christianity if you discount the FUNDAMENTAL belief, that Jesus is the Son of God. Through Him and only through Him is man saved from his sinful nature. Good deeds are not enough. Man cannot provide his own salvation.

            Muslims must ignore this to accept their own beliefs. The two are in direct contradiction. Your links can candy coat the reality as much at it likes, but it doesn’t change anything. You either accept Jesus entirely, or wholly reject who He is. You can’t change who He is to fit your belief. It only gives you a false sense of faith and legitimacy.

          • Ghost11111111

            Jesus is my Prophet. He is the Messenger Sent from God. Jesus was born of a virgin mother, he healed the blind, and much more. Muslims Love Jesus. In fact I am finding a closer link to God Almighty through Islam. I always felt confused with Christianity but I knew there was truth to the gospels. Islam actually seems more clear. AND ITS THE SAME MESSAGE. To pray to ONE god, to prepare for the day of judgement by doing good deeds, and struggle in his way whether it is personal, intelligently, or in anyway. Islam also teaches, “the ink of a scholar is better than the blood of a martyr” Muslims are commanded to seek the truth, to study other religions! To study other philosophies and reasons! What religion encourages that?? Islam is all about knowledge and love.
            Im not trying to convert you or others, just relaying a message I had to learn the hard way. Christianity is beautiful, I love Jesus, but God (yahweh, allah, ellah, eloha) is more clear to me and others through Islam. It just makes sense. Look, you are an intelligent man, who is knowledgeable, look up Islam and read about it (from its own source, not a bias one) and see what I am talking about. Like I said, you cant be a Muslim if you dont believe in the gospels, or Torah as an actual Revelation from god.

          • JKGusicas

            Jesus Christ was crucified, dead and buried. On the third day, He rose from the dead.
            He is the Christ, the Redeemer, the Savior.
            That IS the core of the Gospels. The Good News. God’s only begotten Son, sacrificed for all humanity so that we may be saved from the punishment of our sin.

            Yet, you do not believe this. And still, you say you can’t be a Muslim if you don’t believe in the gospels.

            Taking into account the prophesy in the OT fulfilled by Jesus, that he IS the Christ, and by His own words, He said He is the messiah, the Christ, it is impossible to conclude he was just a prophet, a messenger. You have to wholly reject Jesus Christ, or wholly accept Him. Islam attempts to change Him to validate itself. Islam has to wholly reject the New Testament to not contradict itself, yet you declare you can’t be Muslim if you don’t believe the gospels.

            Pertaining to Jesus’ death.
            He predicted his death. He predicted 3 days later he would rise. The Quran contradicts this, but yet still calls Jesus a prophet. Again, the two are directly contradictory.

            Jesus parable of the farmer in the vineyard is accepted even by the Jesus Seminar (a skeptic group) that referenced his upcoming death.

            It’s your choice. You can believe in a twisted version of the Gospel to fit your need, or you can throw it out altogether, or you can reject Islam as a false religion. It’s up to you.

        • DixieAngel_76

          The point that you overlook is that nobody has the right to take other peoples’ minor children and teach them another religion other than they were brought up with unless they have their parents’ permission. I doubt if they had asked they would have received it either. Would you want someone doing that to your children behind your back, and on the taxpayers’ dime no less? You’re nothing but a psuedo intellectual spewing hot air.

        • diane

          do you read?

          • diane

            pretty easy to draw a fair conclusion on the majority of Islamic laws and religion and history! :(

      • Kerry

        Rape 8 year old girls and cut heads off is not BAD. ROT!!!

        • Antogeny

          Raping 8 year old girls to DEATH, you mean! Not to mention eating hearts, cutting off hands of alleged thieves, honor killings of women. Read some of the books written by women who escaped the religion – “The Caged Virgin” comes to mind. And, there’s the “jihad” – how many people all over the world have been killed in the name of Allah. There is a mosque not far from where I live. There is a large fence around it – and it is closed except when they are having an “affair” of some sort. Someone stands at the gate and screens visitors. That doesn’t happen in Christian, Buddhist, or Jewish places of worship. I’ve been in all 3; have absolutely NO desire to cover my head and enter a mosque – not until h*ll freezes over.

        • Ghost11111111

          People in your country do worse to little girls and boys. Christian extremists did worse in 2005 in Bosnia. They did a genocide and raped woman in tents. They even made a movie about it in America. The bible is much more violent and much more oppressive towards woman. An 8 year old getting raped and beheaded like you said sounds more rare than a catholic priest touching little boys. Why does such a man position himself between us and god if he is doing secret things behind the scenes like that? Stop blaming others when you are worse. Look at all the hate you are spreading on this site with the others. You claim you have an open mind, yet you encourage false information about a religion to be spread around.

          • Betty4440

            why don’t you go flush your self and go to allah and be happy?

          • Betty4440

            you can not stand to be told the truth about islam can you? people that didn’t know any thing about muslims, the qur’an learned a lot on 9-11-2001 and they haven’t stoped learning ether. and they want stop. every day you can learn something new about it, look at Deerborn Mi. how Christians are treated. I want to live to see the day that a million Christians will march on Deerborn Mi.

          • Ghost11111111

            Whoa….Did someone say “Christian Extremist?” :) U sound just as evil as the people you are describing. Hate breeds Stress. And stress is dirty to have to deal with consistently. Illuminate Your Thoughts about others. Read, Reflect, Realize, Understand Islam. Because you are incorrect about it.

          • Betty4440

            no I am not. it doesn’t take a hundred years to learn how evil islam is. the path of satan.

          • Ghost11111111

            Path of satan? Your the one that changed your bible into 1,982 different books. Your the ones that turned prayer into a bar scene (strobe lights, Music, guitars, wine, women in tight pants dancing and singing and hopping up and down) You went from worshiping the 1 True God, to worshiping his Prophet/Messenger Jesus Christ. You blame woman for evil and original sin (where infants go to hell if they are not baptized and die). Your way of thinking is producing terrorism. You sound like a terrorist. How do we not know you are a terrorist? All the shootings in America lately have been done by christians, so who is following satan? Labeling a whole religion. What do you know about them besides “what you have been told”

          • DixieAngel_76

            The Bible is not violent towards women. Every written scripture of Jesus interacting with women (or anyone for that matter) says He acted selflessly and with love. Always putting others first. Little girls are married off to old men all the time over in the middle east, and you know it. So Catholic priests abuse little boys, what of it? All that proves is that like Jesus said their would be wolves in sheep’s clothing who come into the Church with the intention of harming others, it is a fact of life. There is nothing worse than the intolerance of muslims and their arrogance to think they have the right to kill others for not being just like them.

          • Ghost11111111

            Good points. But Muslims dont believe in killing others that are different from them. In fact Muslims believe in the gospels being revealed to Jesus. They believe in the Torah being revealed to Moses. Muslims believe that Jews and Christians will go to heaven with Muslims if they do good deeds. We all worship the same god but in different ways. Some Christians however believe God is 3 instead of 1 and only.

          • Betty4440

            it takes more than good deeds to enter Heaven. and your god allah is not the same as my GOD of the HOLY BIBLE. NUFF SAID.

          • Guest

            We know the Bible says’God is One’ and, “Thou shalt not have any ‘gods’ beside God.”

            Today Christians are presenting a vast variety of explanations on how God can actually be “One and Three at the same time.”

            Some attempt to resolve the issue saying, “Jesus is Lord!”or even “Jesus is God.” (May Allah save us from any blasphemy, ameen).

            According to the priests of the Holy Roman Catholic Church there is more to the belief in God than simply saying, “God is One.”

            Jews had no problem with the concept of “Unity of God.”

            The Greeks and other pagans were used to the notion their ‘gods’ resembled the creation around them.

            Arius, the bishop from Egypt, like other early Christians, believed in God as One and Jesus as one subservient to God, in a lessor position than God.

            This concept is still held today by more than 1.5 billion Muslims, who adhere to the teachings of the Quran and the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

            Simply put, “There is no God worthy of worship, except the One True God. He has no partners.”

            This aligns nicely with the belief of the early followers of Abraham, Moses, David and Solomon, peace be upon them all.

            In an effort to resolve this issue once and for all, Emperor Constantine ordered the bishops from the different factions to assemble in His land.

            What took place next was to change the way most Christians think of God for many centuries to come.

          • Ghost11111111

            We know the Bible says’God is One’ and, “Thou shalt not have any ‘gods’ beside God.”

            Today Christians are presenting a vast variety of explanations on how God can actually be “One and Three at the same time.”

            Some attempt to resolve the issue saying, “Jesus is Lord!”or even “Jesus is God.”

            According to the priests of the Holy Roman Catholic Church there is more to the belief in God than simply saying, “God is One.”

            Jews had no problem with the concept of “Unity of God.”

            The Greeks and other pagans were used to the notion their ‘gods’ resembled the creation around them.

            Arius, the bishop from Egypt, like other early Christians, believed in God as One and Jesus as one subservient to God, in a lessor position than God.

            This concept is still held today by more than 2.4 billion Muslims, who adhere to the teachings of the Quran and the prophet Muhammad.
            Simply put, “There is no God worthy of worship, except the One True God. He has no partners.”

            This aligns nicely with the belief of the early followers of Abraham, Moses, David and Solomon, peace be upon them all.

            In an effort to resolve this issue once and for all, Emperor Constantine ordered the bishops from the different factions to assemble in His land.

            What took place next was to change the way most Christians think of God for many centuries to come.

          • bobcchicago

            Ghost 11111111

            What about teaching young boys to strap on bomb vests — pull the strings — get your virgins. Religion of peace and love my ass.

          • Vlad99

            Sarah was Abraham younger sister. Read your bible.

          • Dianne

            Abraham pretended Sarah was his sister because he feared the ruler would have him killed if he knew she was his wife. You might want to re-read your bible

          • Vlad99

            How many catholic priests molesting kids still today????

          • bobcchicago

            GHOST 11111111

            Mohammed was a murderer and a pedophile.

          • Ghost11111111

            Like your father was? Or your Step Dad? Your a Historian now? Your a Terrorist

          • bobcchicago

            My father was neither a murderer or a pedophile. What a starange thing to say. BUT … it is well documented that Mohammed was both a murderer and a pedophile.
            I am not an historian or a terrorist. I can see by what you wrote that you are not an historian but you could be a terrorist, are you? Could you also be a murderer and a pedophile?

    • JKGusicas

      Then why the slant to Islam? Why the covering of Islam’s real face and the brutality that it exudes? Why the covering of the 1st Caliphate? Why not read the portions of the Quran that are indicative of the ongoing march to dimmitude (submission by the infidel)? Or the real passages: “And kill them [infidels] wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing…

      but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)”

      While there may be peaceful followers, they are choosing to ignore the mandate to conquer the infidels, and kill them if they do not submit. The fundamentalists do not share that view.

      • Ghost11111111

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K581hIm6L78

        This will answer your questions on the violence in Islam. This is one of your own guys teaching everyone.

        • therobe

          I base my perception on what Muslims do, and condone.
          By the way, you expose your hypocrisy with your reference to “one of your own guys”. I’m guessing you’re one of THEIR guys!

          I

          • Ghost11111111

            No Im not. What I meant by that was this guy teaching in the video is a white guy. You guys on this site are mainly christian extremists . Christian extremists are the real terrorist threat to the world.

          • therobe

            You deny being a Muslim? Why else would you try to convince we “Christian Extremists” that Islam is so good when we can see it is not? How many extremists do you think you’ve won over with your lies?

          • Ghost11111111

            I dont lie. This is evidence. This is truth I am speaking. In fact I challenge you to read about Islam. Go to google.com and type in your questions and see for yourself. I am basing my words on evidence. Here is one of many sources. http://www.islamnewsroom.com

          • Betty4440

            well spoken obama man. keep on believing that.

          • DixieAngel_76

            Right. It’s so scary to think that someone might hear about Jesus, or get baptized, uh-huh.

          • Ghost11111111

            Its not scary hearing someone talk about Jesus or getting baptized. We challenge our perceptions whenever there is uncertainty or confusion.

          • Steven Shearon

            You’re full of sh!t.

    • cmjay

      Why was there no visit scheduled for any of the CHRISTIAN CHURCHES? I could just hear the uproar if the kids were given BIBLES to take home,

      • Ghost11111111

        Im sure you could suggest that to the school board. And Im sure these kids growing up lived near 14 different churches in the same 2 block radius.

        • lilyred

          So? Doesn’t mean that they have ever been in one.

          • Ghost11111111

            You are correct. U Bring up a good point. I just think the author of this article is trying to have us make a judgement based on emotion.

          • Larry Mellette

            As a Christian I pray for you and everyone else. I wish you no harm. I am going to say this. We know what Islamist are capable of..While I must forgive. Only a fool will forget. Which hand is cut off of a thief? Can a woman tell a man what to do? What is a Christian extremist? What is an infidel?

        • DixieAngel_76

          That is NOT THE POINT. Religious instruction of children is the exclusive right of their parents, not YOU.

    • Velma Saccone

      Islam is not a religion but an EVIL CULT. They are brainwashing our children.

      • Ghost11111111

        Where is your evidence on such claims? Fox news? Cnn? What you see on tv? What you hear from others opinions?

        • Joseph Groves

          actually your opinion is indicative to what the media spouts off as the truth, so really your the sheep, not the other way around

        • mikki

          You don’t read about it in the papers or see it on tv because they are all controlled by “your” government and these ragheads.

      • bliss west

        islam is an ideology Not a religion

      • Antogeny

        It is a theocracy – not a religion.

        • Velma Saccone

          Yes it is a Muslim theocracy and Allah is a cruel God. Not the God of peace and love.

    • bliss west

      check out greet wilders ‘a warning to america ” video on you tube

      • Ghost11111111

        Its just a scare tactic. Like the guy that made millions of dollars scaring Americans during the “y2k” scare of the year 2000. We hear so much boogy man talk. But in reality we know it is not like that. You have a greater chance of being killed by a cop than by a “terrorist”

        • bliss west

          the Baniyas massacre of children and familes in may of this year is a perfect example of the islamic ideology .In reality you have no clue of what you are speaking about..have u ever been to an islamic country ? or understand sharia in any way shape or form ?

        • Antogeny

          I assume you are a man. Islam is probably exactly right for you – you can do whatever your raging testosterone tells you to do.

        • Betty4440

          yes like the 3ooo- 9-11-2001 we will never for get. the Boston bombing. and Benghazi. plus others. NO WE WILL NEVER GORGET.

    • Peter Theodoropoulos

      Islam is a disgusting Religion. You should read it’s history before you open your mouth and show your ignorance.

      • Ghost11111111

        I have read its history. Its not as bad as the Christians History. :)

        • Betty4440

          IF WE ALL LOVED LIARS WE WOULD HUG YOUR NECK.

    • vickir1kingskid

      They visited ONE religious site sir!!! Do you think the Muslim children are being taken to Christian churches for “building bridges?” IF they had taken these children to this mosque and then a Christian church and then a synagogue then maybe you could claim “building bridges to unity and peace! There is NO bridge when only a mosque is involved and a Koran! Islam is being taught in American schools BUT NOT CHRISTIAN beliefs! There are no Bibles taught in most schools and JESUS is a forbidden word in most schools now but it is ok for them to read the Koran and talk about Mohammed?? Even the paper the student was given to write because she refused to go had FALSE information on it about Islam and their history! If they are going to teach things about Islam, it should be the truth at least!

      If they had taken those children to only a Christian church, you and the rest of the liberals in this country would be screaming! BUT ISLAM….yes that is just building a bridge to unity and peace in America!! You keep believing that sir. The Muslim Brotherhood is making inroads into this government every day and I can promise you their goal is NOT to build a bridge!!! IT iS TO TAKE OVER THIS NATION!!! When Islam gains control of a nation, there are no more religions when they finish!! You either convert or lose your head!! Just try going to Iran or Saudia Arabia and telling them to let their children visit a Christian church so they can build a bridge to unity and peace!! Just try that sir and you will find out quickly how little that is their goal!!!! THere is NO COUNTRY where ISLAM RULES that has people of other faiths moving in freedom!! It doesn’t happen!

      • Ghost11111111

        Thats not entirely true. In fact look up recorded, documented history. Muslims have lived side by side with Christians and Jews. In fact you will find the oldest churches in the world surviving in muslim lands. Christians also fought along side the muslims against the Crusaders. Muslim brotherhood is some political group, no one really cares about them as you can see. You are confusing what you see in the news and labeling a whole culture or religion. When politcs and religion meet sometimes things happen. But dont judge 1/3 of the humans on earth over a small sample of them you see publicized on the news which is owned by a few corporations.

        • lilyred

          They are not surviving today, in Egypt, Syria and parts of The Far East, isn’t that right?

          • Ghost11111111

            Yes, along with many other groups. And you see some of these other groups fighting each other in Egypt, Syria, and other places.

          • Joseph Groves

            Muslims have been at war with these Christians for thousands of years. The only reason why these churches still exist is because they have had to fight them off, Israel being the prime example of this. The Palestinian government has tried to drive them out for centuries.

      • Lee Bennett

        Well Said Amen!!!

      • gomurr

        No, included in the class (on world religion) was also a visit to a Hindu Temple.

    • Lee Bennett

      Sorry there should never be a bridge between decent people and islam it is an occult and hate read the koran it states emphatically that anyone who does not convert is an infidel and must die There is no living in peace with these people and if they really wanted to live in peace do you think they would be building mosques on ground zero and the Pennsylvania field where flight 93 went down they want to boast of their conquest WAKE UP ALREADY!!!!!!

      • Ghost11111111

        They are not building it there to boast. They are building mosques everywhere in this country. The religion is growing with people like you. Why dont you read about islam and learn for yourself instead of pointing fingers at people based on opinions. And Koran is spelled Quran.

        • Betty4440

          SURE AND THAT It WANTS TO RULE THE WORLD. boy are you brainwashed or brain dead your choice. islam is islam and that is that.

        • Earlene Leonard

          it is spelled both ways..how is the religion growing with people like lee..that makes no sense at all…they should all be made to leave this country…they treat us like crap in their co.and they do here as well..they will take over sooner than you think, or think they will….they want to live under their sharia law and not by our law so they should stay in their on co..you want to live under sharia law… I don’t..

      • Earlene Leonard

        are they building a mosque in pa. where the plane went down and why in the world would pa. allow them to rub it in our faces by having a mosque there..that irks me to no end…

        • Lee Bennett

          unfortunately yes a mosque is planned for that field as well as at ground zero in NY apparently the planning board members in these communities have very short memories and no back bone

    • Raymond N Meredith Washburn

      You obviously know nothing about the Islam religion. Time to research it yourself and not listen to the lies.

    • Betty4440

      why don’t you go to Syria and live and leave the AMERICAN PEOPLE ALONE. just a thought.

    • John Edwards

      You realise you are making sense… that’s not allowed here :) just read the other comments and you’ll realise that!

      • therobe

        I recommend you move to the Middle East and enjoy the “bridges to Unity and Peace” there. Or you can stay in America and wait for it’s transformation to Islam. Then there will be a true sense of community when all of us are Muslim or dead.

    • mikki

      Islam is not a religion!!! It is a cult!!!

    • DixieAngel_76

      Tell that to all of the Christians who have had to flee their homes and leave everything behind, and they were the lucky ones. Many more were beheaded, or burned alive for not converting to Islam. You don’t see Christians doing that, ever. Who’s really ‘planting seeds of hate’? Christians, or the honor killers? By the way, when’s the last time you saw a muslim soup kitchen or rescue mission? Oh wait, I forgot. It’s the ‘hateful Christian extremists’ who run those.

    • Earlene Leonard

      you are either a muslim or ignorant of their beliefs..they intend to take over the world and convert all to islam…they already have a foothold in the U S and if you don’t convert you will be beheaded or killed some other way..they have no heart for humanity..they love death according to what they say and if I lived like most of them I would love death also…if they get killed they are happy because they think they will be rewarded with 72 virgins..what a crock of crapola is that??what do they do with them after they are not virgins any more..

    • johnnydelgado

      Your one stupid delusional bunch of dirty garbage trying to use taquiyya to innocent people who doesn`t know nothing of what islan is all about. Islam is an organization for world domination (islam is not a relgion), and islam is not about peace but submission. So get the f…. away with your crap about community or unity or peace in islam. >>>>

    • diane

      this was no regular peaceful mosque….it was a very radical mosque. do the research! sad that a person cannot see that islam is not peaceful – nothing about it is peaceful. but we must endure all this crap in the name of tolerance for another religion! interesting that in America you are free to worship whom you choose. I think that is tolerant enough~

    • D-man

      Yes ,teaching that Jews are pigs and deserve to be slaughtered is what every good religion teaches.As for infidels ,the Quran says a Muslim may practice taqqiya when dealing with them .It is a religious blessing to lie,cheat,steal,deceive,rob,issue usury,embezzle,and use any means necessary to advance Islam.Killing a infidel is like swatting a fly. Like I stated before ,your willful stupidity is showing.

      • Ghost11111111

        http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/06/which-is-more-violent-bible-or-quran.html

        Which is more violent? The bible or the Quran? Hmmmmm. The bible is more violent. It never said jews are pigs. It said “be apes” a metaphor for a person that is a slave to their appetites or desires. Its not a religious blessing to lie, cheat or steal for islam. There is a day of judgement and Muslims believe there are two angels recording your good and bad deeds. And Islam says if a Muslim kills an innocent person it is as if they killed all of humanity. To crusaders killing an infidel Muslim was nothing to them. Muslims never say infidel. Their is a non believer than there are people of the book (jews and christians).

    • Richard Vial

      I agree Ghost!

    • eilismaura

      since when are public schools in the business of introducing kids to religious practices in such a direct way? why wasnt’ there a mass held in the classroom?

      or some other liturgy?

      one can learn the tenants of Islam via a text book –

      why should one faith be highlighted and the others ignored?

  • maelstrom143

    I can understand the need to have knowledge of others’ religions and cultures in order to get a better feel for their point of view. However, it sounds (from the minimal information given in this article) as if this particular course is skewed and prejudicial. A proper religion-reviewing course would be impartial in its view and assignments.

    • Ghost11111111

      Well said :)

    • lilyred

      I found out all I needed to know about islam on 9/11.

      • Ghost11111111

        800 Muslims also died in the twin towers on that day. And there is a controversy on who even was responsible for 9/11

        • tom

          There is no controversy. You simply have an agenda. Why does Islam support lying ? If you disagree…… then you have never read the quran.

          • Ghost11111111

            Whatever. You guys are manipulating facts to prove an opinion. I have an open mind. Im sure you do to. Why dont you read the Quran and find out what it says. The english translation is not accurate. You need at least 4 words in english to explain one word in arabic and it still not a correct translation. Tony Blairs sister in law became muslim, big actors became muslim, many people became muslim. You think its a cult? Islam has been the same message revealed to prophet Adam and every other prophet. Calling people to worship the one god.

          • Antogeny

            You have an empty mind.

          • tom

            You certainly dodged the question. I wonder why? Let me help you with your confusion…..Qur’an (16:106) – Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a
            lie.

          • gomurr

            No controversy? Take your head out of the sand. As FDR said, and I paraphrase, “Nothing happens in politics that hasn’t been carefully planned.”

          • tom

            Correct…..and muslims carefully planned flying the planes into the towers. There is no controversy as to who was flying the planes. Sorry you are unable to follow a train of thought.

          • gomurr

            I’m not only able to follow a train of thought, I can follow a chain of evidence, and the evidence says the official line on 911 is BS. I could care less if you want to believe all the lies your being fed. I, for one, do not.

        • Betty4440

          no matter. all that had any thing to do with these people being murdered will burn in hell.

          • Ghost11111111

            Absolutely. I agree with you.

      • Betty4440

        you said it. never for get.

  • Richard O. Mann

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  • Samantha Reigermortis

    Why is there religion in any public schools to begin with ? Let alone a religion that worships a genocidal , pedophilic murderer , that treats women like animals and animals like dirt ?

    Keep religion OUT of our schools, and keep Islam OUT of our countries.

    • Betty4440

      aman

    • gomurr

      It was a class on world religion.