Petitioners from 20 states including Florida are testing the oft-repeated Lincoln quote, “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Unlike the Civil War, however, it has nothing to do with slavery or geography, but rather politics.
The avalanche of petitions began with Louisiana on Nov. 7, the day after the presidential election. This was followed in short order by Texas. Since then an additional 18 states have joined in, and not all of them are from the south.
According to The Daily Caller:
If 25,000 people sign the petition by Dec. 7, it will “require a response” from the Obama administration, according to published rules of the White House’s online “We the People” program.
The Louisiana petition has collected more than 12,300 signatures in four days. A separate effort from Texas has 15,400 supporters.
States that followed Louisiana and Texas with with secession-related petitions on the White House website now include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina and Tennessee.
Read more at The Daily Caller.
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Here in Florida, we can handle our own buisness with our own money….get out of the way, we want out of this “bogus” union….
I only read this story because I was curious as to this secession petitioning. But, I should have known when only two little articles appear on the very vast Internet that it would just be a gathering place for the scared, ignorant fringe element. So sorry for you. You must live in north Florida is my guess. Look, you’ll be fine. You will just have to wait four years and try again. The Republican party just has to figure itself back out. Begin by ousting the super fringe group known as the Tea Party. Good luck to you, Julie.
echovox18: Your incredibly backwards thinking is only trumped by your ignorance of reality. It is the conservative Christian “element” in the US that has guided this nation to the powerhouse it became. But, it is the reality of the fact that many in the church have become impotent due to a sloppy relationship with Christ that is at the heart of the problem. The Republican Party does not have the answers, that is for certain. Too divided and too indeterminate as to morals and where they actually stand on issues. But, the Democrats have adopted the official doctrines of Sodom and Gommorah as planks in their platform. Abortion is murder, and, it is a choice; the same as taking a gun and killing someone. End result: someone is dead whether saline poisoned or shot. Homosexuality is an abomination to God and is destroying the last moral fiber of this nation; threatening the family by trying to redefine it. As to the Tea Party, they were on the right track, but as usual, they died out before getting the job done. Only a true, God-sent, devil-killing revival will help us now. Atheists beware: Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Sin is pleasure for a season, but is hell to pay in the end.
ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!
Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.
The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.
Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.
What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?
How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?
And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?
But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
I also believe Florida can survive on its own. I am upset over not being able to get a full-time job due to Obama Care and all the new regulations the Federal Government wants in impose.
Will Obama use NDAA To Arrest State Representatives and State Militias that support Secession?
Could Obama use NDAA To Arrest Secessionists on the Premise members are Militants and Belligerents that pose a threat to National Security?
Recently the Obama administration stated to Federal Judge Katherine Forest that under (NDAA) The National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 the President had authorization to lock up belligerents indefinitely. That they (were justified) to lock belligerents up indefinitely—because cases involving belligerents directly-aligned with militants against the good of America—warrants such punishment.) Pres. Obama could use NDAA provisions to order U.S. Military Forces to round up without evidence, millions of Americans including Secessionists and Militias by alleging they are belligerents or a threat to National Security. Many observers believe Obama intends to extend NDAA to imprison U.S. Citizens in Indefinite Detention not involved with or associated with enemy forces.
Hitler included similar provisions in his fascist (Discriminatory Decrees signed February 28, 1933). Almost immediately after the German Parliament passed Hitler’s laws, the Reich Government ordered the arrest of German Citizens and confiscated their guns without probable cause or evidence; delegated powers to German Police and other authorities to arrest anyone Nazi authorities claimed attempted or incited public unrest: arrested among others were outspoken Germans, writers, journalists, peaceful protestors and artists. After World War II the East German Secret Police (Stasi) used the threat of Indefinite Detention to forcibly recruit thousands of informants.
The U.S. 2012 NDAA legislation Obama signed 12-31-11 is similar to Hitler’s 1933 fascist laws the SS and Gestapo used to target persons in Germany for arrest, imprisonment and execution without probable cause; and confiscate millions of dollars of property. Hitler used his laws to suspend Parliament and the Supreme Court insuring his laws could not be rescinded.
During the Obama Administration’s recent request for a (stay) to stop U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest blocking enforcement of vague NDAA provisions, the Obama Administration—never clarified what constitutes a (belligerent); or militant; or what belligerent activities (directly aligned with a militant) to order a belligerent’s arrest or indefinite detention; or what is against the good of America. Under vague provisions of NDAA, the President could accuse anyone of being (directly aligned with militants by way of any political or other association; activity, statement, writing or communication with an individual or group government deemed (militant) to arrest and indefinitely detain Americans. Writers, journalists, Americans that disagree with or question U.S. Government or its allies—may under NDAA be subject to arrest and indefinite detention.
NDAA 2012, like Hitler’s 1933 Discriminatory Decrees enforces censorship; refers to the Patriot Act e.g. warrant-less searches of private property and forfeiture of property from persons not charged with crime. Provisions in NDAA 2012 keep the door open for corrupt U.S. police; government agents and provocateurs which there are many, to falsify reports and statements to target any American, group or organization for arrest, indefinite detention, complete disappearance; civil asset forfeiture of their property.
You may have noted NDAA referred to the USA Patriot Act. The Patriot Act lends itself to Government / police corruption; the Federal Government may use secret witnesses and informants to cause arrests and civil asset forfeiture of Americans’ property. Witness(s) and informants may be paid up to 50% of assets forfeited. Federal Government under 18USC may use a mere preponderance of civil evidence, little more than hearsay to Civilly Forfeit Private Property. Under the Patriot Act innocent property owners may be barred by government knowing the evidence federal government uses to forfeit their property.
Sections of NDAA 2012 are so broad, it appears U.S. Government or the President could (retroactively) deem an American’s past 1st Amendment activities prior to passage of 2012 NDAA—supported hostilities, terrorism or (Belligerents) to order the arrest and Indefinite Detention of any U.S. Citizen, writer, group or organization.
Under NDAA 2012 it should be expected that indefinitely detained U.S. Citizens not involved in terrorism or hostile activities, not given Miranda Warnings when interrogated, not allowed legal counsel or habeas corpus may be prosecuted for non-terrorist (ordinary crimes) because of their (alleged admissions) while held in Indefinite Detention.
Another fringe nutcase joins the not so elegant discussion. Wow and yowsa!
Sad but true. We no longer feel we are a part of the USA that we have lived in and loved all these years. A Middle States of America would work well. Put all the Conservatives that love America into the red states and let the east and west coast states field for themselves. Just wait until they are reaping the harvest they sowed and come to the middle states to be helped out. I guess they will soon learn there are no free lunches. You either work for you don’t eat.
Nough said !
You are correct Dora.
Right on Dora!!!
AMEN Dora
The only problem with east and west separated Dora is that liberal left california is on the west coast. Bummer!!!
Amen!
As a homeowner in the southeast part of the country, that is such a jackass statement. I know I’m not moving as the sign that welcomes me to Florida says ‘Welcome to Florida’ not welcome to the Red, Conservative state. My goodness, Dora! People, how about don’t secede, just leave. Thanks for sharing your brilliance today.
I am so embaressed that the state I live in is primarily Democrat. I don’t want to be put into the same classification as those who voted for Obama. It is embaressing and humiliating. Obama has dividied this Country like no other. I don’t understand why people don’t see that. We talk about going over the fiscal cliff. I hate to tell you people this but we went over that cliff a long time ago. The Government does a good job of hiding facts and people that are not very well informed do a good job of living an oblivious life. I would LOVE to see states take a stance and secede from the Union. I think it is great and shows Obama and his sorry supporters that we are not happy
That is so right dora. The people that voted for obama deserve what they get. Let the smart ones get out.
I live in California,a lot of us did NOT want Obama, and we will probley be moving from our homes…to Texas or where we can be FREE of this crap..so make room for US! GOD BLESS AMERICA,(please help us).
Immediately following the election, the first thought I had was to rapidly liquidate my stocks and then move from Florida to Texax. They are a republic and the only state that can legally cecede. Maybe I’ll be safe there!
I think this is a great idea. I’d love to do it. However we have a Facist President who likes to
circumnavigate around congress anytime he’s not getting the answers he wants to hear. He also has stacked
the Supreme Court with Liberals who it appears are for sale. I’m afraid this nation would end up in totall chaos if
this secession was to happen. Good Luck and Godspeed if you’re able to accomplish this deed.
What a bunch of characters u represent, what is next, strict interpretation of the constitution to allow slavery? If u guys weren’t so serious, I would laugh.
None of u ever think far enough ahead about the consequences of ur actions. Can U NOT SEE how disastrous this talk of succession is. AND if it ever occurred, most red states are welfare positive that means u get more in welfare funds from the fed gov than u pay in fed taxes. Go ahead start another stupid war. Chew on that a bit.
Jose Slaverly is no longer in the constitution. We have no longer any use for people like you Jose and you can take the people who live on welfare here because you are the ones that created the mess.
Bret, better not to jump on here angry and take a cheap shot at Jose. Go to the gym, go to your local shooting range or hug your family. It’s easy to spew stuff on here when you are faceless. Allows you to grow brass ones, I hear.
That would be for the best!!! Then you can have Grand Daddy Bush’s Federal Reserve too!!!!
Don’t republicans realize that Sarah Palin splintered their party, and got them all riled up with hate and anger, and until they distance themselves from her and the teabaggers, they will never get back on top of their game. This talk of secession is childish and foolish, and is not gonna happen, yall are a minority even within your own states. Get a life people and quit drinking the cool aid. I have never seen such sore loosers. Are y’all back in high school or what?
Sarah Palin did not splinter the party. The media did. All the tea party wants is a physically responsiable government that follows the constitution! Even when you are trying to talk us back in you are hateful then say we are the hateful ones. I now hope the country does dissolve so you communist can make your on paradise without us.
Having been on my county Pubbie Central Committee more than 20 year ago, I can tell you that the split between the RINOs and conservatives (who are the only ones that do any real work) is deep and has been around for a very long time. For many years, the conservatives didn’t make waves.
But then, around 1990, we started getting tired of being treated as non-entities by the elitist “country club” republicans, and used for our walking, calling, etc…. All the tedious grassroots work the elite wouldn’t do. Then we ran for office and got elected, then we wouldn’t say “yes” to anymore abuse, THEN we started to realize that the GOP couldn’t win without us.
Ever since, the rift has grown, and American has been handed one “my turn now” unelectable milk-toast candidate after another, and we are DONE. We love freedom and self-determination, and if it takes secession to be able to live free, then so be it.
Actually those of us who want out have enough sense to realize that the burdens placed on us by this administration are far worse than anything we would face if we were on our own and out of this socialist union. We are welfare postive only because Barky created the entitlement class so he could get votes…Dang, some of you people are so missinformed. If you want to work and pay for the freeloaders and give up all of your freedoms more power to you. Apparently some of you do not have enough sense to understand that the majority of Americans did not vote the idiot back into office…do you understand voter fraud? Come on it is easy…here is a simple example: if you have 100 people registered to vote and you have 141 votes cast, that could be called “voter fraud”. It happened in 2008, it happend in 2012, and it will happen again as long as the majority remains silent. It disgust me to hear the pres say he has an agenda now because the people have spoken. Bull crap. He has had an agenda since day one and it is not for the good of America.
How do those of us who want to add our name to the state petition to secede from the union?
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions
Click the link find the petition you want to sign, and sign up with your email address. Once signed up, you will be able to sign any petition you agree with. I did this morning. It feels great, to feel like your vote matters.
And get ready to get o the “enemies list” Targeted for extermination…